WWI Digest 3081 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 2) Interesting OT Model by "Steven M.Perry" 3) Re: Interesting OT Model by "Tom Solinski" 4) Re: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report by "Michael Kendix" 5) Friedrichdactyl by MAnde72343@aol.com 6) RE: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report by Shane Weier 7) Re: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report by Eli Geher 8) Re: Model Expo 1/16 scale Nieuport 28 by Scottfking@aol.com 9) Re: Interesting OT Model by Scottfking@aol.com 10) Re: Scale wars/ was OT contest report by Scottfking@aol.com 11) RE: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report by Shane Weier 12) Photocopier and Decals Question by Todd Hayes 13) Re: A Sopwith Gift for the list by Mark Miller 14) Sopwith gift part Deux by "Tom Solinski" 15) Re: Sopwith gift part Deux by Todd Hayes 16) Gotha: wing blanks cut by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Interesting OT Model by Ernest Thomas 18) Book: Germany's first Airforce 1914-1918 by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 19) Pilot parachute provision by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 20) RE: Pilot parachute provision by Crawford Neil 21) Re: Germany's first Airforce 1914-1918 by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 22) Re: Pilot parachute provision by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 23) Re: Pilot parachute provision by "Bob Pearson" 24) RE: Sopwith gift part Deux by Crawford Neil 25) Mac Roland Update by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 26) RE: Looking for kits... by Crawford Neil 27) RE: Scale wars/ was OT contest report by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:55:08 -0600 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report Message-ID: >Crawford Neil wrote: > >>Puh, I did know that, just a temporary lapse, thank god >>I do know everything after all! > >Look, people, I've said it before and I'll say it again - those of >you who think you know everything are very irritating to those of us >who do. > >On the other hand, adding to the actual topic, while the IPMS rules >are subject to much criticism, they were to try to avoid certain >abuses. The biggest problem in any modeling contest is that the >judges end up unable to rule on their particular field of expertise, >since they likely brought their own entry. Furthermore, even if >someone is not competing this time in a category they are familiar >with, there can be fights over whose references are right on some of >the details, and whether a lot of superdetailing can overcome flawed >technique (Steven Hustads are rare, except on this list) or how much >to deduct for believing references that the very latest information >has corrected (library envy). > >Having judged many times at the local show, and being viewed as >fairly impartial FYI, The majority of the complaints I have heard or seen come from someone who has not taken the time to become involved with the judging process in either style. They make comments based on hearsay or their own preconceived ideas of what happens behind the closed doors. If you really want to know what the rules and why the outcome is the way it is, get off your duff and join the judges. Work as an OJT (on the job training) judge for one or two sessions, then move up to a team member, then on to a team leader. Start at the local level, move to the regional area, then move on to the Nationals. I think once you have joined in and understand what is done and why, you will be very happy with the results. John PS, you might even learn something new. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:07:44 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Interesting OT Model Message-ID: <001d01c096da$f097efe0$09f0aec7@default> Stopped at the local R/C shop for some glue and they had an Albatros D.V there. It was foam and about 2 or 2.5 ft wingspan. Made for an electric motor and rudder only radio. It was done as von Hipple's Jasta 5 Blitz. It had purple and green wings. (very flimsy foam) and a gray painted fuselage and green tailfeathers. Press on decals for a red Blitz and tail striping. Some idiot had put molded rivets all down the fuselage. The wings had considerable built in dihedral. and were out of 3/16 foam. The fuselage was a two sided shell out of 1/8 foam. With no motor and batteries, US$119.00 was a bit more than a tad too high for a spray painted foam shell with a wicked seam. Still, a WWI model and a friendly face amongst all the Ugly Sticks and helo carcasses hanging in the shop. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:01:12 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Interesting OT Model Message-ID: <00f201c096e2$695494e0$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> Steve and folks this Alb is by the same folks that did my Fokk. Dr-I in the modeling pictures on the web. I've heard reports that the Alb flies much better. don't forget flyers have "stand off scale" and stand a way off scale" a lot like close enough for government work Tom Solinski ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven M.Perry To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: Interesting OT Model > Stopped at the local R/C shop for some glue and they had an Albatros D.V > there. > It was foam and about 2 or 2.5 ft wingspan. Made for an electric motor and > rudder only radio. It was done as von Hipple's Jasta 5 Blitz. It had purple > and green wings. (very flimsy foam) and a gray painted fuselage and green > tailfeathers. Press on decals for a red Blitz and tail striping. Some idiot > had put molded rivets all down the fuselage. The wings had considerable > built in dihedral. and were out of 3/16 foam. The fuselage was a two sided > shell out of 1/8 foam. With no motor and batteries, US$119.00 was a bit more > than a tad too high for a spray painted foam shell with a wicked seam. > Still, a WWI model and a friendly face amongst all the Ugly Sticks and helo > carcasses hanging in the shop. > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:12:53 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report Message-ID: >From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) >FYI, The majority of the complaints I have heard or seen come from >someone who has not taken the time to become involved with the >judging process in either style. They make comments based on hearsay >or their own preconceived ideas of what happens behind the closed >doors. > >If you really want to know what the rules and why the outcome is the >way it is, get off your duff and join the judges. Work as an OJT (on >the job training) judge for one or two sessions, then move up to a >team member, then on to a team leader. Start at the local level, >move to the regional area, then move on to the Nationals. I think >once you have joined in and understand what is done and why, you will >be very happy with the results. > >John >PS, you might even learn something new. John: Being a relative newcomer to the hobby, I am at the OJT stage, that is, I did some OJT at our regional. I learned a huge amount and it was hard work, so I am aware of the effort and the judging criteria. I also thought that the process was fair. I am not saying judges are wrong or unfair, but given the criteria for IPMS judging, it is difficult for smaller scale models to compete successfully against the larger scale stuff. In a regional event, it rarely necessary to make such combinations, but at the smaller shows, I think it is quite usual. My suggestion was to combine models of the same scale rather than the same era. Would this contravene IPMS USA rules? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:26:31 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Friedrichdactyl Message-ID: <20.1208c4cb.27bc7c37@aol.com> --part1_20.1208c4cb.27bc7c37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bucky, both the plans and the Sierra model indicate the rear bump is a streamlined "keel", fairly thick, but coming to a knife edge. Merrill --part1_20.1208c4cb.27bc7c37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bucky, both the plans and the Sierra model indicate the rear bump is a
streamlined "keel", fairly thick, but coming to a knife edge.
Merrill

--part1_20.1208c4cb.27bc7c37_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:04:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748C32@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > My suggestion was to combine models > of the same scale rather than the same era. > Would this contravene IPMS USA rules? This is how we do it here - - Small scale aircraft - Large scale aircraft Then, assuming the numbers are great enough in either scale we'd break up the categories into sub categories based on subject. Consequently we don't have contest scale wars. And since IPMS in Australia shot itself in the foot and has little influence on model clubs here, we really don't give a rats about whether it contavenes their rules. IPMS competes with everyone else, using our rules. (The consequence of one IPMS in the area versus thirteen non-IPMS clubs and no prospect whatever of any further affiliations, with somewhat similar proportions nationwide) OTOH this does not keep me out of arguments about judging, does it David ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:15:09 -0600 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report Message-ID: <3A8B2D9D.8C2EBF6@hiwaay.net> Michael Kendix wrote: > Being a relative newcomer to the hobby, I am at the OJT stage, that is, I > did some OJT at our regional. I learned a huge amount and it was hard work, > so I am aware of the effort and the judging criteria. I also thought that > the process was fair. I am not saying judges are wrong or unfair, but given > the criteria for IPMS judging, it is difficult for smaller scale models to > compete successfully against the larger scale stuff. In a regional event, > it rarely necessary to make such combinations, but at the smaller shows, I > think it is quite usual. My suggestion was to combine models of the same > scale rather than the same era. Would this contravene IPMS USA rules? > The IPMS/USA rules only apply at the National Convention. Regional or local contests are free to use any variations they wish and that the attendees will accept. The usual reason for lumping scales together in a single class is low entry, so if you bring lots of models, you may force a split all by yourself. Its worth a try. I took a 3rd at Atlanta 2 weeks ago when they split the airline category by scale. I wasn't competitive otherwise. As one who has judged for far too many years, I would maintain that its not really a problem to judge across multiple scales. We judge almost totally on workmanship and its a constant source of amazement as to how many superb modelers miss out on basics. You have to put them together square in 3 dimensions, without fingerprints or glue smears or inappropriate seams. The best detail and paint in the world won't help if you miss on construction. This is all independent of scale and so scale is hardly ever an issue for placement. Most models have eliminated themselves before the judges get around to comparisons. Eli ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:18:45 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Expo 1/16 scale Nieuport 28 Message-ID: Hi all, I talked to Model Expo today, they are still delayed by problems with their casting supplier. As of last Thursday they were told it would be approximately 30 days before they would have them. They informed me that everything else is ready and waiting.... Skippy (Scott) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:18:40 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Interesting OT Model Message-ID: <38.120b8e30.27bc9680@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/01 6:10:14 PM EST, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Stopped at the local R/C shop for some glue and they had an Albatros D.V there. It was foam and about 2 or 2.5 ft wingspan. Made for an electric motor and rudder only radio. It was done as von Hipple's Jasta 5 Blitz. >> I believe this is similar to those sold through Hobby Lobby, I think they also have a Pfalz DIII, Fokker DVIII, Fokker DrI, Sopwith Pup, and SPAD, similar size, 28 to 36 inch span, these have rudder/elevator servos and motor speed control. Kits w/o radio about 100 bucks, the whole shebang complete 300 to 350 bucks. Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:18:43 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale wars/ was OT contest report Message-ID: <55.11351d31.27bc9683@aol.com> In a message dated 2/13/01 9:36:31 AM EST, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << For some reason, I always think it is unfair for scales to be combined, unless there is really no choice e.g. vacs, scratch built etc. >> I don't care for that much either, but generally there aren't many WWI types at most contests I have been to, and I think the judges are more comfortable with it this way. Last year at the same contest, the judges decided to split the category into WWI and post WWI groups, half of the models were WWI and the others were almost WWII. This year most of the a/c were WWI, the remainder were also biplanes and rigged monoplanes, so they were left as one category. <> Agreed. But I have seen 1/72 models take best aircraft awards too, beating out 1/32 jets and 10-thingies. I don't worry too much one way or another, I heard it said someplace "Build what you like, the way you like" or something like that. <> I am sorry to hear that, I am glad that you decided otherwise. <> Amen I think the best thing we can do as a group is to try to stir up interest in OT by entering as many WWI models as we can, wherever we can.. And conduct ourselves like the ladies and gentlemen we are, unlike some that thankfully don't frequent this list. Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:23:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scale Wars / was OT Contest Report Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748C36@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Eli says: > As one who has judged for far too many years, I would > maintain that its not really a problem to judge across > multiple scales. We judge almost totally on workmanship and > its a constant source of amazement as to how many superb > modelers miss out on basics. You have to put them together > square in 3 dimensions, without fingerprints or glue smears > or inappropriate seams. The best detail and paint in the > world won't help if you miss on construction. This is all > independent of scale and so scale is hardly ever an issue > for placement. Most models have eliminated themselves before > the judges get around to comparisons. > And FWIW I concur absolutely. The words "Basics First" should be engraved into *most* contest judges souls, or beaten in by the head judge Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:25:27 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Photocopier and Decals Question Message-ID: <20010215022527.47952.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone here know if a special type of color copier is necessary to run decal paper safely through it? I just bought a new printer/copier/fax/scanner machine last week and would like to produce some decals for myself if possible. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 19:18:58 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A Sopwith Gift for the list Message-ID: <20010215031858.10197.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> > > > Came across a roll of Sopwith factory drawings of the F-1 Camel, Batboat, > > > Dolphin, and several others.  Drawings are about 18 inches by 30 inches > > > Some are fading. > > > > > > How best should I get these on the site for everyone's benefit? > > > > > > If you're thinking scanning, please suggest a resolution,  I know that > > some > > > people consider 300 dpi too much. yet 150 isn't enough. > > > > > > I could make copies at cost to those who want them, > > > or I could just send them to the list library. > > > > > > Suggestions? > > > > > > Tom S > > > OKC > > > If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! I've been doing some web related stuff at work lately and I've had to compress down some bw line art well -scanned text actualy, the method I've used is to scan the original in greyscale at a pretty high resolution - then open the file in Photoshop 5.5 and hit save for web this brings you into a very nice interface wich allows you to fiddle with size/resolution issues what seem to work the best was to save it as a GIF file then lower the resolution by eye till it startes to lose sharpness - then you can actualy go in and reduce the number of colors - which makes it smaller still. never knew what use GIF files were before - you can get the files surprisingly small But I'm not sure if this is the "best" way - kinda of made it up as I went along anybody know what's the accepted method for preparing bw artwork for the web? In any case I would also like a copy of those plans please Mark Miller Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:50:16 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Sopwith gift part Deux Message-ID: <003501c09702$6bc9f420$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> Ok folks looked at the stack again and the inventory of Sopwith drawings all in 18 X 25. They are ozlid drawings that are yellowing and starting to fade. The tail of the dolphin is almost gone. Most sid elevations are drawn in 1-1/2 inch = 1 foot, the 3-views are half that. "130 HP CLERGET SINGLE DEATER BIPLANE TYPE F-1" SIDE ELEVATION (SHOWS INTERIOR DETAILS) PLAN VIEW (LOOKING DOWN) FRONT VIEW "130 HP CLERGET SINGLE SEATER BIPLANE SHIP CAMEL TYPE 2F-1" FRONT VIEW "SOPWITH SNIPE 7.F.1. SINGLE SEAT BIPLANE 200 HP. B.R.2. ENGINE" THREE VIEW ON A SINGLE SHEET "SOPWITH DOVE TWO SEATER TOURING BIPLANE 80 HP. LE RHONE" THREE VIEW ON A SINGLE SHEET SIDE ELEVATION (SHOWS INTERIOR DETAILS) and STILL HAS THE "SECRET AND CONFIDENTIAL" WARNING ON THE TITLE BLOCK! "SOPWITH 200 HP. HISPANO SUIZA. ENGINE SINGLE SEAT FIGHTER" (DOLPHIN) SIDE ELEVATION (SHOWS INTERIOR DETAILS) "SOPWITH DUAL CONTROL TWO SEATER BIPLANE (BUILT FOR SIR WINSTON CHURCHILL) 100 HP. GNOME" THREE VIEW ON A SINGLE SHEET "SOPWITH BAT BOAT 1A TWO SEATER AMPHIBIAN 100 HP. GREEN" THREE VIEW ON A SINGLE SHEET So that makes a total of eleven sheets. I'll stop at Kinkies tomorrow and make a test shot and get a price . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:55:05 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith gift part Deux Message-ID: <20010215035505.58782.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, Please add my name to the list for copies. Todd Hayes 2910 Market Burlington, IA. 52601 --- Tom Solinski wrote: > Ok folks looked at the stack again and the inventory > of Sopwith drawings all > in 18 X 25. They are ozlid drawings that are > yellowing and starting to > fade. The tail of the dolphin is almost gone. > Most sid elevations are drawn in 1-1/2 inch = 1 > foot, the 3-views are half > that. > > "130 HP CLERGET SINGLE DEATER BIPLANE TYPE F-1" > SIDE ELEVATION (SHOWS INTERIOR DETAILS) > PLAN VIEW (LOOKING DOWN) > FRONT VIEW > > "130 HP CLERGET SINGLE SEATER BIPLANE SHIP CAMEL > TYPE 2F-1" > FRONT VIEW > > "SOPWITH SNIPE 7.F.1. SINGLE SEAT BIPLANE 200 HP. > B.R.2. ENGINE" > THREE VIEW ON A SINGLE SHEET > > "SOPWITH DOVE TWO SEATER TOURING BIPLANE 80 HP. LE > RHONE" > THREE VIEW ON A SINGLE SHEET > SIDE ELEVATION (SHOWS INTERIOR DETAILS) and > STILL HAS THE "SECRET > AND CONFIDENTIAL" WARNING ON THE TITLE > BLOCK! > > "SOPWITH 200 HP. HISPANO SUIZA. ENGINE SINGLE SEAT > FIGHTER" (DOLPHIN) > SIDE ELEVATION (SHOWS INTERIOR DETAILS) > > "SOPWITH DUAL CONTROL TWO SEATER BIPLANE (BUILT FOR > SIR WINSTON CHURCHILL) > 100 HP. GNOME" > THREE VIEW ON A SINGLE SHEET > > "SOPWITH BAT BOAT 1A TWO SEATER AMPHIBIAN 100 HP. > GREEN" > THREE VIEW ON A SINGLE SHEET > > So that makes a total of eleven sheets. I'll stop > at Kinkies tomorrow and > make a test shot and get a price . > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:05:22 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Gotha: wing blanks cut Message-ID: <001b01c09704$88ea6560$6d101a3f@oemcomputer> Hi Y'all, For those of you following my progress: I just finished cutting the wing blanks from formed .040 styrene sheet. I formed the styrene by heating it in my oven as the sheets lay on a basswood form that has an airfoil shape sanded into it. I am about to do the master tailplane templates and also lay a paper nacelle template on the balsafoam sheets that the master will be made from. On the down side: I may have just fouled-up the fuselage. Oh well - I made one, I can damned-sure make another (this time it will be out of .015 or .020 sheet for added strength! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:32:48 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Interesting OT Model Message-ID: <3A8B5BF0.28B2559B@bellsouth.net> "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > Still, a WWI model and a friendly face amongst all the Ugly Sticks and helo > carcasses hanging in the shop. I like the Ugly Stik. It's sorta like a high wing Eindecker, and very OT looking. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:28:26 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Book: Germany's first Airforce 1914-1918 Message-ID: <81.6e0d2fb.27bcc2fa@aol.com> Book: Germany's first Airforce 1914-1918 By Peter Kilduff I noticed this book on ebay, is it a worthwhile purchase? Anyone have a copy, what is your opinion of it? Thanks Best Regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:38:32 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pilot parachute provision Message-ID: <87.6e5d4b2.27bcc558@aol.com> Which nation's air service issued parachutes to pilots in World War One? I thought that Germany was the first toward the end in '18. ~Steve di Giacomo stephendigiacomo@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:18:54 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Pilot parachute provision Message-ID: As far as I know Germany was the only one, but I'm not at all sure. Interesting question. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com [mailto:Stephendigiacomo@aol.com] > Sent: den 15 februari 2001 06:43 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Pilot parachute provision > > > Which nation's air service issued parachutes to pilots in > World War One? > I thought that Germany was the first toward the end in '18. > ~Steve di Giacomo > stephendigiacomo@aol.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:31:29 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Germany's first Airforce 1914-1918 Message-ID: <000b01c09729$b3301520$7f01010a@jaring.my> Jon, I have this book, and it is not bad for background information, but offers little in new in photographic sensations. Not a complete story of the Fliegertruppen,, but rather a collection of different stories, including (for example) information on the BOGOHLs/KAGOHLs, a LvR story, Naval fliers etc. One good photo I remember shows a rather rare aspect of Christiansens Brandenburg W 29, showing the tailplane design of this specific aircraft, which is not shown correct in any of the available kits (being a mix of the "earl" and the "late" type). This book was available for as little as 10 to 12 $ in some bargain bookshops a few years ago- so don't spend to much on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: Book: Germany's first Airforce 1914-1918 > Book: Germany's first Airforce 1914-1918 By Peter Kilduff > I noticed this book on ebay, is it a worthwhile purchase? Anyone have a copy, > what is your opinion of it? Thanks > > Best Regards, > Jon > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:37:29 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Pilot parachute provision Message-ID: <001101c0972a$88f8c800$7f01010a@jaring.my> Steve asked: > Which nation's air service issued parachutes to pilots in World War One? > I thought that Germany was the first toward the end in '18. > ~Steve di Giacomo True, if you look on the large scale use of parachutes in aircraft. With all the limitations of the early designs, it is quite amazing how many pilots saved their live in this time - Udet maybe being the most prominent of them all. Austria-Hungary followed later, using the same design. Obviously, Balloon observers (of basically all nations) used parachutes already much earlier. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:36:58 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pilot parachute provision Message-ID: <200102150838.AAA03269@mail.rapidnet.net> Austro-Hungary did as well. ... there is a photo of Friedrich Hefty floating down after he was shot down in Albatros D.III(OEF) 253.17. this was taken by an A-H balloon observer on 22 August 1918. Hefty was the first A-H pilot to be saved by his parachute.. Hefty was also the pilot of the sworl covered Albatros with the personal number '6' Bob ---------- >From: Crawford Neil > As far as I know Germany was the only one, but I'm not at all sure. > Interesting question. > /Neil > > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Which nation's air service issued parachutes to pilots in >> World War One? >> I thought that Germany was the first toward the end in '18. >> ~Steve di Giacomo >> stephendigiacomo@aol.com >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:50:37 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith gift part Deux Message-ID: Hi Tom, Is there any information about what colour the "Sopwith" text should be? Some early Sopwiths had "Sopwith" in big (red?/black?) letters on the fuselage side. On the Schneider racer we're fairly sure it's not black, Anders Bruun thinks red, I used to be for blue, but when you think about it, they would have painted it on for advertisment purposes, so red would be the most visible? All opinions extremely welcome! /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:52:49 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: Mac Roland Update Message-ID: Well, I've looked a bit closer at these kits, and while they do share a common sprue, there are two different fuselage halves. One has fewer louvers on the nose and less access panels on the fuselage. So if you want to do a D.VIa you need to get the D.VIa boxing. Ditto for the D.VIb. So much for having it all in one box. They're still good kits, though. You just need to be sure of which version you want now. Sincerely, Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Illustrator Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:08:57 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Looking for kits... Message-ID: This is an eye-opener, I really am an innocent, I always thought that shrink-wrapped meant unopened. So I am always careful not to open my own unbuilt kits, actually this a lie, but I do have some that I've never opened, usually because I know what they are like anyway. I must go up in the attic and have an orgy of opening:-) /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Schwartzkopf [mailto:pschwartzkopf@neb.rr.com] > Sent: den 14 februari 2001 21:40 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Looking for kits... > > > Sorry to hear about that Brian. I've heard about this > happening even from > people returning kits to retailers that have been > "repackaged". This is the > reason I will not buy a kit at a flea market or model show > that is sealed in > heat shrink. I want to look at it first to make sure I am > getting what I am > paying for. > > I have one of these kits (#01075). Contact me off list if you are > interested. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Nicklas > > More realistic query - I opened my (sealed) Airfix 1/72 > Sopwith 2F.1 Camel > which I had purchased from a second hand kit dealer to find > that it had > been sealed after the kit had been removed and trash sprue > had been added. > Now the evil bast$%# who did this is no longer in business, > and hasn't been > seen in a bit, so no recourse there. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:46:33 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scale wars/ was OT contest report Message-ID: Skippy wrote: >snip > > Agreed. But I have seen 1/72 models take best aircraft > awards too, beating > out 1/32 jets and 10-thingies. I've seen this too, even done it myself, if you're lucky you can over-impress some judges with complicated rigging. This can also knock back, I've had my ot model beaten by an OT model which I thought was badly rigged, but it still impressed the judges. Thats life! > > I don't worry too much one way or another, I heard it said > someplace "Build > what you like, the way you like" or something like that. > > < "big" competition > and it nearly put me off competing permanently.>> > > I am sorry to hear that, I am glad that you decided otherwise. Me too, the important thing is to keep plugging away, sometimes you're lucky sometimes not. In the long run, it all evens out. Most judging is as good as possible. And there's nothing that's more fun, well maybe, but we needn't go into that:-) > > < objective of a good > meeting/contest should be to have a long chin-wag with other > modellers and > blow a few bucks/quid on the vendors stuff.>> > > Amen Amen squared > > I think the best thing we can do as a group is to try to stir > up interest in > OT by entering as many WWI models as we can, wherever we > can.. And conduct > ourselves like the ladies and gentlemen we are, unlike some > that thankfully > don't frequent this list. Amen, and well written Skippy /Neil > > > Skippy > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3081 **********************