WWI Digest 3029 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Camel Questions by Rob & Sherry 2) Re: More Tom Morgan by Rob & Sherry 3) Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 4) RE: Wight now When did Mitchell join Pemberton Billings by "Ray Boorman" 5) Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) by Rob & Sherry 6) Re: Tom Morgan's Halberstadt by "TOM PLESHA" 7) I'm Back by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 9) Re: Halberstadt by Morg17ms@aol.com 10) RE: I'm Back by "Ray Boorman" 11) Re: Morane musings by Marc Flake 12) Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) by Rob & Sherry 13) Accuracy by Rob & Sherry 14) Re: Caudron G.VI Drawing c'est finis by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) RE: Accuracy by Crawford Neil 16) Re: Accuracy by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 17) RE: Accuracy by Crawford Neil 18) RE: Groundwork musings (Figures) by "dfernet0" 19) Re: Camel Questions by "Matt Bittner" 20) Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) by "Matt Bittner" 21) Re: Morane musings by "Matt Bittner" 22) magazines on my mailbox by "dfernet0" 23) RE: More Tom Morgan by Crawford Neil 24) Re: Roden gotha review by Witold Kozakiewicz 25) The Roden Gotha by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 26) RV: Bollettino 02/2001 by "dfernet0" 27) Re: ammo belts by Witold Kozakiewicz 28) Re: Accuracy by Rob & Sherry 29) RE: Accuracy by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:21:15 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Camel Questions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010130222115.008b1a50@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> O.K..... Here we go, A while back when I joined the list there was a thread on the Spad XIII, Academy vs. Revell. Would anyone care to comment on the different 1/72 Camels? Academy vs. Revell vs. ESCI and any others out there? P.S. Still wondering if there is a Spad XIII (in 1/72)that meets the approval of the list members????? TIA Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:23:21 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Tom Morgan Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010130222321.008b2bf0@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> PLEASE stop showing me these master builds! Makes me want to start up a new hobby ;-) Rob At 09:35 AM 1/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Check out Hyperscale (http://www.hyperscale.com) for the latest >Halberstadt from Tom Morgan. Bob, you need to *use* that finger >chopper now that you have it. ;-) Talk about a stunning piece of >work!! Most excellent. > >Tom, one question. How do you do your ammo and belts? Truly >amazing... > > >Matt Bittner > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:46:04 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) Message-ID: <00a301c08b38$5c618be0$7f01010a@jaring.my> Rob, there is at least one more Proper Scale SPAD, the one done by Czechmasters in resin. Meikraft did a plasitc copy of that one. I got both of them, and they look much (MUCH) better than the Revell or ESCI (Fuji/Academy/...) efforts. However, I have not yet build any of these 2 kits, so I can not really comment on their accuracy. Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob & Sherry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:26 AM Subject: Camel Questions > O.K..... Here we go, > A while back when I joined the list there was a thread on the Spad XIII, > Academy vs. Revell. Would anyone care to comment on the different 1/72 > Camels? Academy vs. Revell vs. ESCI and any others out there? > P.S. Still wondering if there is a Spad XIII (in 1/72)that meets the > approval of the list members????? > TIA > Rob > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:40:18 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Wight now When did Mitchell join Pemberton Billings Message-ID: R.J Mitchell left school at age 16 and was apprenticed to the engineering firm of Kerr Stuart and Co of Stoke on Trent. This company built locomotives btw, that was in 1911. After finishing his apprenticeship he worked for a short period of time in the Drawing office of the same company. In 1916 at age 21 he moved to Pemberton Billings of Woolston who had some aircraft designs of their own, however none were successful during the war years anyway. Most of the Pemberton Billings work was with Admiralty repair contracts. Shortly before the end of ww1 Pemberton Billings became Supermarine Aviation Works. By 1919 at age 24 Mitchell became chief designer. The first Schneider trophy winning aircraft for Supermarine was of course the Sea Lion in 1922 The rest as they say is history ;) Source The Spitfire Story (Alfred price) plus some other books I am not going to admit to having ;) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:13:06 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010130231306.008e1c10@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Hey Ya'll! In regards to the Czechmasters Spad, The review on IM seemed to state that the kit had pretty bad warps in it. Is this par for this company/ kit, or an isolated case? Rob At 10:43 PM 1/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Rob, > >there is at least one more Proper Scale SPAD, the one done by Czechmasters >in resin. Meikraft did a plasitc copy of that one. I got both of them, and >they look much (MUCH) better than the Revell or ESCI (Fuji/Academy/...) >efforts. However, I have not yet build any of these 2 kits, so I can not >really comment on their accuracy. > >Volker > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob & Sherry" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:26 AM >Subject: Camel Questions > > >> O.K..... Here we go, >> A while back when I joined the list there was a thread on the Spad XIII, >> Academy vs. Revell. Would anyone care to comment on the different 1/72 >> Camels? Academy vs. Revell vs. ESCI and any others out there? >> P.S. Still wondering if there is a Spad XIII (in 1/72)that meets the >> approval of the list members????? >> TIA >> Rob >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:16:15 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Tom Morgan's Halberstadt Message-ID: <002201c08b3c$8e0a1d20$c7424c0c@tom> It's just unbelievable. TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Otis Goodin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Tom Morgan's Halberstadt > Well, I was going to send in some pics of my BLue Max Halberstadt, but you > can just FORGET IT!!!! I'm too humilated to even take the pictures. > > Otis > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:33:50 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: I'm Back Message-ID: <007901c08b3f$184bdf80$71121a3f@com> Hi Gang, I'm finally moved here in Auburn. Nice town too. I'm exhausted. Did anyone solve the Voss cowling mystery whilst I was absent? DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:46:31 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) Message-ID: <00c301c08b40$c8ae2e40$7f01010a@jaring.my> Rob, The warping of parts (especially thin wings of OT a/c) is a quite common phenomenon of most of the resin kits, especially those early Czechmaster kits which had no "blocks" to which these parts were attached. It even happens with more "solid" pieces. One example: I have a CMK Bugatti Racer, which has a one piece wing/fuselage structure (like many of the early Czechmaster kits), and the 3 dimensional warping of this kit is immense - given the shape of the Racer, it looks like a piece of modern art... However, there is no general ("100 %)" problem with this warping. For example, my SPAD is basically warp free, as are a number of others. As Czechmaster kits (the older ones) are packed in plastic bags, I can only propose that you have a close look on the individual kit before you buy it (only helpful if you buy it directly in a shop, of course). If you do a mail order, ask the seller to have a look for you. Some (like Detlev Schorsch of the Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr) will do that if asked. Too, the warping can happen during storage, if you pack your kits too closely together (something I did). OTOH, the warping problems are not that difficult to fix, as the resin can be bend at relatively low temperatures. Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob & Sherry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) > Hey Ya'll! > In regards to the Czechmasters Spad, The review on IM seemed to state that > the kit had pretty bad warps in it. Is this par for this company/ kit, or > an isolated case? > Rob > > At 10:43 PM 1/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Rob, > > > >there is at least one more Proper Scale SPAD, the one done by Czechmasters > >in resin. Meikraft did a plasitc copy of that one. I got both of them, and > >they look much (MUCH) better than the Revell or ESCI (Fuji/Academy/...) > >efforts. However, I have not yet build any of these 2 kits, so I can not > >really comment on their accuracy. > > > >Volker > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rob & Sherry" > >To: "Multiple recipients of list" > >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:26 AM > >Subject: Camel Questions > > > > > >> O.K..... Here we go, > >> A while back when I joined the list there was a thread on the Spad XIII, > >> Academy vs. Revell. Would anyone care to comment on the different 1/72 > >> Camels? Academy vs. Revell vs. ESCI and any others out there? > >> P.S. Still wondering if there is a Spad XIII (in 1/72)that meets the > >> approval of the list members????? > >> TIA > >> Rob > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:50:15 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Halberstadt Message-ID: <97.1092763c.27a8f387@aol.com> Otis, Mike - BUILD your Halbies, the hobby is about having fun! I try to build not only to learn new modelling techniques but also to learn and understand more about WW I a/c construction and design. The enjoyment is in the DOING, not just in the final product......eh? Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:51:05 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: I'm Back Message-ID: Yup it was coloured a nice shade of yellowish/olive by the burnt synthetic castor oil. Ray - You might be moved in but what did you lose ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > DAVID BURKE > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: I'm Back > > > Hi Gang, > > I'm finally moved here in Auburn. Nice town too. I'm exhausted. Did > anyone solve the Voss cowling mystery whilst I was absent? > > > DB > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:56:22 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Morane musings Message-ID: <3A779AF6.5F41@airmail.net> Matt: Have you laid the 'L' fuselage on the FMP plans yet? Mine comes up short. Regarding the Windsock article. I don't have that copy. I stopped subscribing in the early 90s when my interests wandered into the second unpleasantness. But I would be interested in hearing about armament -- particularly the grappling hook used by Nesterov. How many prongs? To what part of the aeroplane was it attached? etc. Marc (only partly joking) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:00:28 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010131000028.008fdbb0@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Thanks Volker, E. is to blame for the Spad question :) after seeing his Zig-Zag Spad and the other color schemes he sent, I want to build them! There is no shop stocking these in my area that I know of, so mail order is the only means. Rob At 11:45 PM 1/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Rob, > >The warping of parts (especially thin wings of OT a/c) is a quite common >phenomenon of most of the resin kits, especially those early Czechmaster >kits which had no "blocks" to which these parts were attached. It even >happens with more "solid" pieces. One example: I have a CMK Bugatti Racer, >which has a one piece wing/fuselage structure (like many of the early >Czechmaster kits), and the 3 dimensional warping of this kit is immense - >given the shape of the Racer, it looks like a piece of modern art... > >However, there is no general ("100 %)" problem with this warping. For >example, my SPAD is basically warp free, as are a number of others. As >Czechmaster kits (the older ones) are packed in plastic bags, I can only >propose that you have a close look on the individual kit before you buy it >(only helpful if you buy it directly in a shop, of course). If you do a mail >order, ask the seller to have a look for you. Some (like Detlev Schorsch of >the Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr) will do that if asked. > >Too, the warping can happen during storage, if you pack your kits too >closely together (something I did). OTOH, the warping problems are not that >difficult to fix, as the resin can be bend at relatively low temperatures. > >Volker > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob & Sherry" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:18 PM >Subject: Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) > > >> Hey Ya'll! >> In regards to the Czechmasters Spad, The review on IM seemed to state >that >> the kit had pretty bad warps in it. Is this par for this company/ kit, or >> an isolated case? >> Rob >> >> At 10:43 PM 1/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: >> >Rob, >> > >> >there is at least one more Proper Scale SPAD, the one done by >Czechmasters >> >in resin. Meikraft did a plasitc copy of that one. I got both of them, >and >> >they look much (MUCH) better than the Revell or ESCI (Fuji/Academy/...) >> >efforts. However, I have not yet build any of these 2 kits, so I can not >> >really comment on their accuracy. >> > >> >Volker >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Rob & Sherry" >> >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:26 AM >> >Subject: Camel Questions >> > >> > >> >> O.K..... Here we go, >> >> A while back when I joined the list there was a thread on the Spad >XIII, >> >> Academy vs. Revell. Would anyone care to comment on the different 1/72 >> >> Camels? Academy vs. Revell vs. ESCI and any others out there? >> >> P.S. Still wondering if there is a Spad XIII (in 1/72)that meets the >> >> approval of the list members????? >> >> TIA >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:07:41 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Accuracy Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010131000741.008b4e80@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> After all this thinking about a *correct* kit, I am left wondering. Where is the line drawn on accuracy? After all...who has an engine that actually runs, or even a model that is fabric covered? So my model has wings that are .5mm over size, do your rudder pedals move the rudder? Is there anyone that would look at a Revell Spad built OOB and say "what is that"? Very curious as to what is over looked and what is not. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:50:02 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Caudron G.VI Drawing c'est finis Message-ID: <38.11604157.27a90f9a@aol.com> I haave made a set of 4 1/48 scale drawings of the Caudron G.VI which are based on the official French Govt. 3 Views and a dozens photos, most are not in hte FMP book. ( I have scaled down version in 1/72) Tried to attach one but the site would not accept it. This is the most widely used of forgotten aircraft. Over 200 of these were used and it appears to be the main recon aircraft for France in late 1916 til Spring 1917. The FMP book got it wrong and provided a drawing of the G.V. Bob Pearson, you will want to add this to your profiles. Matt Bitner, you may want to add these to your files. Drop me an email if you would like a copy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:03:06 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Accuracy Message-ID: My problem with the Revell Spad is that I have it on the shelf together with a bunch of Airfix Spad VII's. The Revell is too big, admittedly the XIII is bigger than the VII, but the difference in scale between the Revell and Airfix exagerates this. This is slightly irritating, but, as all my Spad VII's and XIII's are dicta-ira models, I can live with it. I prefer the Revell to the Airfix, because it's a nice kit, apart from the scale problem. Generally I keep looking at my models, and the ones with mistakes on, irritate me, the more I look at them the more they irritate me. It doesn't matter if I made the mistake, or it was a kit manufacturers mistake, if I know about it, it gets to me. There is a limit to my paranoia, most of the time I just look at my models and like them. But I want them as accurate as possible, so as to avoid having to look at the mistakes for the next 40 years. If the rudder works, or if the wings are fabric covered doesn't matter to me, because I can't see that. But if the rudder works, and you can see the out-of-scale rudder mechanism, that would irritate me, depending on how badly out-of-scale, I have a sort of lowest acceptable level for my models. I also don't worry very much about the undersides, because I can't see them. /Neil -----Original Message----- > From: Rob & Sherry [mailto:rweiner@tampabay.rr.com] > Sent: den 31 januari 2001 06:13 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Accuracy > > > After all this thinking about a *correct* kit, I am left > wondering. Where > is the line drawn on accuracy? After all...who has an engine > that actually > runs, or even a model that is fabric covered? So my model has > wings that > are .5mm over size, do your rudder pedals move the rudder? Is > there anyone > that would look at a Revell Spad built OOB and say "what is > that"? Very > curious as to what is over looked and what is not. > Rob > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:11:14 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Accuracy Message-ID: <83.6461383.27a930b2@aol.com> Neil, I think I detect an AMS sufferer still at the denial stage. You'll find the first ten years are pretty bad, but after that it gets worse. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:40:41 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Accuracy Message-ID: Ha! Denial? I was one of the first victims! I well rememember reading about it in the IPMS-USA Quarterly sometime in 1972, I think it was in David Andertons "plastic recliner", but I am probably wrong as usual. As soon as I read about that disease I got it! You certainly got the symptoms right, it just gets worse, and completely incurable as far I can make out. The "dicta-ira" Spads are just wriggling in the grip of it, and they are getting fewer and fewer. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com [mailto:LEONARDPeterL@aol.com] > Sent: den 31 januari 2001 10:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Accuracy > > > Neil, I think I detect an AMS sufferer still at the denial > stage. You'll find > the first ten years are pretty bad, but after that it gets worse. > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:11:40 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Groundwork musings (Figures) Message-ID: <012d01c08b6e$4e23b400$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > > Fort Duquesne does an excellent set of 1/35 WW1 german sturmtruppen > > equipment. I forgot about it yesterday. > > As mastered by Herr Hustad. He's one of my modelling heroes! The always elusive shape of the "coal scuttle" helmets are great! I compared them to my 1:1 example and they are almost spot on in scale. Maybe a bit exaggerated on the edges, but it helps on the scale to give the impression of reality. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:28:27 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Camel Questions Message-ID: <200101311028.CAA15751@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:26:43 -0500 (EST), Rob & Sherry wrote: > P.S. Still wondering if there is a Spad XIII (in 1/72)that meets the > approval of the list members????? Yes, if you can find it, the Meikraft SPAD 13 is a direct copy of the Czechmaster kit. It will take some work, but it's completely accurate. Plus the Meikraft copy comes with p/e that allows the lower, front fuselage panels to be left off. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:30:01 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Camel Questions (actually: SPAD XIII) Message-ID: <200101311029.CAA17459@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:17:59 -0500 (EST), Rob & Sherry wrote: > In regards to the Czechmasters Spad, The review on IM seemed to state that > the kit had pretty bad warps in it. Is this par for this company/ kit, or > an isolated case? Mostly isolated, but the SPAD 13 mold is a very old one, so that may have something to do with the warping and general bad fit. Thank you for resurrecting those nightmares! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:33:03 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Morane musings Message-ID: <200101311033.CAA20925@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:02:16 -0500 (EST), Marc Flake wrote: > Have you laid the 'L' fuselage on the FMP plans yet? Mine comes up > short. Well, according to dimensions and the Datafile plans, the fuselage is almost spot on. Maybe less than one millimeter short. I do not trust *any* plans in the FMP book. > Regarding the Windsock article. I don't have that copy. I stopped > subscribing in the early 90s when my interests wandered into the second > unpleasantness. But I would be interested in hearing about armament -- > particularly the grappling hook used by Nesterov. How many prongs? To > what part of the aeroplane was it attached? etc. If you would like, I could photocopy it for you, and possibly provide scans of the color profiles. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:52:32 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: magazines on my mailbox Message-ID: <01d501c08b73$ea534700$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I received my copy of "Aviation History" magazine and the cover article is "Sopwith: Victory by design" written by famed collector Javier Arango (a guy that must be know quite a bit about WW1 planes) so it's warmly reccomended even if I didn't read the article completely yet. Besides, OT related contents of the issue have the 1919 flight england-Australia, a one page ad of the Model Expo 1:16 Nieuport 28 (curiously, the lower wings of the model in the picture seems to droop!), 1909's first heavier than air flight in Canada, and a rather deceptive article on modelling the 1:32 Hobbycraft Sopwith Camel, on wich the reviewer-modeler painted the undercarriage as varnished wood... :-p Besides, I finally got my February issue of FSM, on wich Otis Goodin shows its neat Albatros! Congratulations, Otis! Hey Dave Burke, there's a small article on modelling use of Future floor shine and a historical note on FW thingies too! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:27:31 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: More Tom Morgan Message-ID: I second everything already said about this. I like the neatness, it's all so well done, good detailing and neatness at the same time is the most difficult thing. Fantastic/Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] > Sent: den 30 januari 2001 15:36 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: More Tom Morgan > > > Check out Hyperscale (http://www.hyperscale.com) for the latest > Halberstadt from Tom Morgan. Bob, you need to *use* that finger > chopper now that you have it. ;-) Talk about a stunning piece of > work!! Most excellent. > > Tom, one question. How do you do your ammo and belts? Truly > amazing... > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:29:59 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden gotha review Message-ID: <3A77F737.F773509C@bg.am.lodz.pl> Matt Bittner napisał(a): > > Thanks for the larger images! One question, though. How does it > compare to the references, especially the drawings? I have only a scanned version of WS Datafie, I tried to print drawings but they are much off scale. But comparing details to photos it seems that model designer made very a good job. There are many parts for all versions of Gotha, and looks like each version has its own characteristic parts. There are three types of tail skid (for G.II, G.III and G.V), two types of guns - early and late Parabellum MG, all types of bomb racks, different shapes of wheel legs, different rudders for G.II and G.III etc. Small details like bomb racks need PE replacement, also some interior details, but overall it is very nice kit. I like especially guns and engines. Interior needs little work. Today I will talk with PART owner about this model and what should be done in PE set. I have some ideas for replacements and additional parts for this kit. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:34:33 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: The Roden Gotha Message-ID: The Gotha has finally arrivwed in Australia(that´s 82 years after the Vimy?), at NKR. Here´s what Earl at NKR says concerning the Gotha: "While not quite up to the standard of the ICM Ilya Muromets (there's some flash and some sink marks), the mouldings are finer and there's a lot more of them...250 injection moulded parts (including 12 'clear' windows)! There's a fully detailed interior, including the bomb bay with bombs (under fuselage mounted bombs are also supplied) and an excellent cockpit. The two engines are also fully detailed with panels that could be left open if desired. Surface detail on the wings is just about right...very fine fabric representation over subtle ribbing (a far cry from the huge raised lines on the old Airfix HP 0/400). A full rigging diagram is provided along with markings for three aircraft. The completed model will have a 13" wing span!" Doesn´t sound that bad, does it? Even better, I´m told mine is already flying back to the North-West... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:44:01 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: RV: Bollettino 02/2001 Message-ID: <02a101c08b7b$1b7d2b00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> A selected OT list from our friends in Italy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mister Kit info To: Recipient list suppressed Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:46 AM Subject: Bollettino 02/2001 Se non volete ricevere queste note informative(1 volta al mese) per favore fatecelo sapere. If you don't wish to receive this bulletin(once per month), please let us know. Appena Arrivati /Just Arrived CHOROSZY MODELBUD A35 SALMSON 2A2 ITL 90.000 A36 SEISHIKI 2 ITL 90.000 B27 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN F33E ITL 115.000 B28 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN F33H ITL 115.000 B29 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN F33L ITL 115.000 B37 LVG CV ITL 115.000 CMK 1/72 72044 Red Baron Flying Circus WW I (3 Fig.) ITL. 12.000 EASTERN EXPRESS Disponibile tutta la lista(vedi catalogo sul sito) / All available(view complete catalog on line) EDUARD 1/72 07013 Fokker Dr.1 Stripdown with Complete plastic kit ITL. 33.000 RODEN 002 Gotha G II/III ITL 65.000 SRAM AGO C II 1/72 ITL 45.000 In considerazione delle recenti fluttuazioni della Lira, i prezzi sono da considerarsi come INDICATIVI Gli ordini possono essere fatti per telefono , per fax allo 02/8243791 o tramite e-mail ai seguenti indirizzi: order@misterkit.com - mrkit@lo.itline.it potete inoltre chiedere informazioni all'indirizzo e-mail info@misterkit.com e visitare il nostro sito all'indirizzo www.misterkit.com I have no connection with Misterkit, but I'm just a pleased customer D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:47:38 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ammo belts Message-ID: <3A77FB5A.C1950A62@bg.am.lodz.pl> Morg17ms@aol.com napisał(a): ... > Ta da! Goes much faster than it sounds. Very good tip, and outstanding model. Thanks Tom -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:53:37 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Accuracy Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010131065337.008fb300@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> *ROFL* I was thinking about this after my post on the Camel and Spad. Had I not found this list, I would not have known anything was wrong with these kits. But now that I *know*, I could not possibly build those kits ;) I have read the reviews and the posts stating the inaccuracies of kits, and about the "rivet counters" I am curious as to what is commonly accepted and what is not. Is it generally limited to outlines and making sure it is the proper scale? Or is it taken as far as possible to create the most accurate replica that can be built? After seeing the models built by the list members, I would be surprised if some of them were fabric covered and had working control surfaces! Rob At 04:15 AM 1/31/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Neil, I think I detect an AMS sufferer still at the denial stage. You'll find >the first ten years are pretty bad, but after that it gets worse. > >cheers > >Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:21:09 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Accuracy Message-ID: I've done a Pemberton Billing Spitfire with working elevators ,flaps, and sliding canopy, but it was in 1/48, thus cheating;-) /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob & Sherry [mailto:rweiner@tampabay.rr.com] > Sent: den 31 januari 2001 12:58 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Accuracy > > > *ROFL* I was thinking about this after my post on the Camel > and Spad. Had I > not found this list, I would not have known anything was > wrong with these > kits. But now that I *know*, I could not possibly build those > kits ;) I > have read the reviews and the posts stating the inaccuracies > of kits, and > about the "rivet counters" I am curious as to what is > commonly accepted and > what is not. Is it generally limited to outlines and making > sure it is the > proper scale? Or is it taken as far as possible to create the > most accurate > replica that can be built? After seeing the models built by the list > members, I would be surprised if some of them were fabric > covered and had > working control surfaces! > Rob > > > At 04:15 AM 1/31/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Neil, I think I detect an AMS sufferer still at the denial > stage. You'll > find > >the first ten years are pretty bad, but after that it gets worse. > > > >cheers > > > >Peter L > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3029 **********************