WWI Digest 3028

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Icare
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  2) Hartz' Halberstadt stippling/scrumbling
	by "Brian Nicklas" <Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu>
  3) Re: RE: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914
	by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com
  4) Re: Gotha G.VII
	by "aa8." <aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk>
  5) RE: RE: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914
	by "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
  6) RE: Gotha G.VII
	by Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
  7) RE: Gotha G.VII
	by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
  8) Re: ammo belts
	by Morg17ms@aol.com
  9) Re: On Hyperscale
	by Morg17ms@aol.com
 10) Re: My Previous
	by Suvoroff@aol.com
 11) Re: Your fav
	by Steve Cox <steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk>
 12) RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins
	by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
 13) RE: Winner paint schemes (Suvoroffs Theory of Decorative Military
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 14) Re: Q's about French Pilot Seats
	by MAnde72343@aol.com
 15) Re: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914
	by MAnde72343@aol.com
 16) Unsubbed again :-(
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 17) Re: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914
	by "The Shannons" <Shingend@ix.netcom.com>
 18) Tom Morgan's Halberstadt
	by "Otis Goodin" <otisgoodin@home.com>
 19) Re: Tom Morgan's Halberstadt
	by RadspadMike@netscape.net
 20) Morane Musings
	by Marc Flake <mflake@airmail.net>
 21) ot Kits
	by Rob & Sherry <rweiner@tampabay.rr.com>
 22) Re: Morane Musings
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:51:53 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Icare
Message-ID: <200101302151.NAA16144@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:52:01 -0500 (EST), Gaston Graf wrote:

> just in case you are referring to the French aviation magazine and nothing
> else, I can provide you the address of the editor:

<snip>

Thanks.  There is also a web site:  http://www.revue-icare.com/


Matt Bittner



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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:56:09 -0500
From: "Brian Nicklas" <Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Hartz' Halberstadt stippling/scrumbling
Message-ID: <OFD55C4E20.81889B4E-ON852569E4.00784D17@si.edu>

Dan did an absolutely great job on stippling the colors on his Halberstadt.

(Who's got the finger board??)



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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:11:10 EST
From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: RE: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914
Message-ID: <a1.1084981e.27a895fe@aol.com>

Agreed, and I wish that the American military and veterans took the lessons 
of the Nüremberg trials to heart.  But maybe that's one reason why Chuck 
Yeager said, "When we would go down and strafe people, civilian or military, 
it was just a mission.  It was assigned to you, and you didn't give any 
thought to it.  You had no emotion whatsoever, and I cannot emphasize enough 
that there is no morality in war.  You can say now that that was bad.  Well, 
war is bad.  That's just the way it is.  Look at us, 21-year-old fighter 
pilots, flying around shooting people.  There's really not much difference 
between us and the Germans.  There were out to win a war; we were out to win 
a war.  But here's the important part — don't lose.  Don't lose the war.  If 
you lose, your atrocities will get you hanged.  The winner's atrocities will 
get overlooked or forgotten."
    I'm horrified by Chuck Yeager's comment.  But then I've never been in 
war.  I don't think for a minute that he was in any way defending the Nazis 
and their "Final Solution" - at least I hope not.
    I remember Dick Clark, World War II army veteran here in town, telling 
how some GIs would put grenades in empty c-rats cans knowing little children 
would be coming around looking for food.  I could only ask, "Why would they 
do that?"  His look got distant and with a slight wag of his head he said, 
"Just to be mean."  Now that's Dick speaking fifty years later.  I hope his 
memory is playing tricks on him - but I don't think so.


In a message dated 1/30/1 4:41:10 PM, ggraf@vo.lu writes:

<< Mark,


Thanks a lot for the additional explanations on "the German way of thinking

in 1914". Whatever was going on in their heads, there is no excuse for

killing innocent women and children nor is there an excuse to slaughtering

wounded enemy soldiers under protection of the convention of Geneva.

In other discussions I had there was people saying that the Germans took the

franc-tireurs as criminals and because armed civilians are not falling under

the agreements of the Geneva convention they could do with them whatever

they wanted to do. To me this is the most ridiculous excuse for war crimes I

ever heard. That is as if a civilian who wants to defend his homeland from

invaders automatically becomes a criminal while the invaders are not

considered to have done anything wrong. >>


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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:14:57 -0000
From: "aa8." <aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Gotha G.VII
Message-ID: <000701c08b0a$16987d40$bc183c3e@tinypc>

> > Hello Brent
> > I would like those scans very much.
> > I have the Sierra Gotha GL.VII which is very nice but I have seen an
> Eastern
> > European resin version in Hannants that looks even nicer!
> > I'm after German schemes as opposed the post war schemes that the Sierra
> kit
> > features and are on at least one Blue Rider sheet.
> > Regards
> > Andy Jones
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
> > To: <aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:18 PM
> > Subject: Gotha G.VII
> >
> >
> > > Andy,
> > >
> > > I'll send you some scans tonight when I get home. Assuming I remember
> that
> > > is. Color scheme is up in the air between night lozenge or day
lozenge.
> > Some
> > > references state the aircraft used the same pre-printed fabric as all
> the
> > > other late war Gothas. However, I find it unusual to cover a day
bomber
> in
> > > night camo. I also cannot find where these books got the information.
> Take
> > > your best guess and go for it! No one can prove you wrong.
> > >
> > > Later!
> > >
> > > Brent
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:31:56 +0100
From: "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: RE: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914
Message-ID: <NEEILCFEPCBGPDBHJFKHGEJECFAA.ggraf@vo.lu>

I too aggree that war always is a bad thing... And I too am feeling quite a
bit horrified about Yeagers statements but he only said the truth, didn't
he?.
Just remember that I want to try to trace back the way MvR took with his
Ulans - nothing else. I do not want to break loose a hell of a hot
discussion about war crimes here on this fine list of plastic maniacs. We
could go on with this topic forever...
Yes sometimes I personally got a strange feeling in my stomach when I play
flightsims where I shoot at other - yesterday I had one of the most
wonderful online dogfights of my life, me flying a SpadXIII against a Fokker
D.VII. I nailed him, turned him out, climbed him out, hooked on his six to
fill him with pixel-lead until the sream from his cockpit told me he got a
headshot and his kite fell down in an endless fall like a leaf is falling
from a tree... Yes sometimes this is giving me a bad conscience when I think
about the real men who fought in a real war - how stupid, how rediculous is
such a lousy flighsim compared to what they had to go through... and it
appears sometimes rediculous to me to glue stupid little plastic pieces
together to make a model of a once deadly weapon... but that's only for a
moment, then it's gone.

I have recently heard that even the glorious General George S. Patton had
some dark stories going on in his military career... But Patton was the man
who's 3rd Army liberated my country fom the Nazis so we all are very
thankful to him and his men...

History is something very exiting... But sometimes it requires a thick skin
to deal with it.

btw: I added a detailed map of the region of Virton to my latet entry in the
diary of research, just in case somebody is interested.

as always

 Gaston Graf
(ggraf@vo.lu)
Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at:
http://www.jastaboelcke.de



> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
> Stephendigiacomo@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:16 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: RE: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914
>
>
> Agreed, and I wish that the American military and veterans took
> the lessons
> of the Nüremberg trials to heart.  But maybe that's one reason why Chuck
> Yeager said, "When we would go down and strafe people, civilian
> or military,
> it was just a mission.  It was assigned to you, and you didn't give any
> thought to it.  You had no emotion whatsoever, and I cannot
> emphasize enough
> that there is no morality in war.  You can say now that that was
> bad.  Well,
> war is bad.  That's just the way it is.  Look at us, 21-year-old fighter
> pilots, flying around shooting people.  There's really not much
> difference
> between us and the Germans.  There were out to win a war; we were
> out to win
> a war.  But here's the important part — don't lose.  Don't lose
> the war.  If
> you lose, your atrocities will get you hanged.  The winner's
> atrocities will
> get overlooked or forgotten."
>     I'm horrified by Chuck Yeager's comment.  But then I've never been in
> war.  I don't think for a minute that he was in any way defending
> the Nazis
> and their "Final Solution" - at least I hope not.
>     I remember Dick Clark, World War II army veteran here in
> town, telling
> how some GIs would put grenades in empty c-rats cans knowing
> little children
> would be coming around looking for food.  I could only ask, "Why
> would they
> do that?"  His look got distant and with a slight wag of his head
> he said,
> "Just to be mean."  Now that's Dick speaking fifty years later.
> I hope his
> memory is playing tricks on him - but I don't think so.
>
>
> In a message dated 1/30/1 4:41:10 PM, ggraf@vo.lu writes:
>
> << Mark,
>
>
> Thanks a lot for the additional explanations on "the German way
> of thinking
>
> in 1914". Whatever was going on in their heads, there is no excuse for
>
> killing innocent women and children nor is there an excuse to slaughtering
>
> wounded enemy soldiers under protection of the convention of Geneva.
>
> In other discussions I had there was people saying that the
> Germans took the
>
> franc-tireurs as criminals and because armed civilians are not
> falling under
>
> the agreements of the Geneva convention they could do with them whatever
>
> they wanted to do. To me this is the most ridiculous excuse for
> war crimes I
>
> ever heard. That is as if a civilian who wants to defend his homeland from
>
> invaders automatically becomes a criminal while the invaders are not
>
> considered to have done anything wrong. >>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:38:07 -0600
From: Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Gotha G.VII
Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79ECC8@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com>

Hey Andy,

Do you have any data on the G.VII? If not I'll scan the articles I have at
home (assuming I can lay a finger on them).

Reply to me at home:

theobat1@airmail.net

Later!

Brent

-----Original Message-----
From: aa8. [mailto:aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Gotha G.VII


> > Hello Brent
> > I would like those scans very much.
> > I have the Sierra Gotha GL.VII which is very nice but I have seen an
> Eastern
> > European resin version in Hannants that looks even nicer!
> > I'm after German schemes as opposed the post war schemes that the Sierra
> kit
> > features and are on at least one Blue Rider sheet.
> > Regards
> > Andy Jones
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
> > To: <aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:18 PM
> > Subject: Gotha G.VII
> >
> >
> > > Andy,
> > >
> > > I'll send you some scans tonight when I get home. Assuming I remember
> that
> > > is. Color scheme is up in the air between night lozenge or day
lozenge.
> > Some
> > > references state the aircraft used the same pre-printed fabric as all
> the
> > > other late war Gothas. However, I find it unusual to cover a day
bomber
> in
> > > night camo. I also cannot find where these books got the information.
> Take
> > > your best guess and go for it! No one can prove you wrong.
> > >
> > > Later!
> > >
> > > Brent
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:49:28 +0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: Gotha G.VII
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPIELDCEAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

The best articles on the G VII I know are in WW I Aero no 104 and 105 -
altogether a rather complete technical and development background of the G
VII/GVIII/GIX.

The resin mentioned by Andy: AFAIK, it is based on the Sierra vac.

Volker

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
Brent Theobald
Sent: 31 January 2001 05:41
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: RE: Gotha G.VII


Hey Andy,

Do you have any data on the G.VII? If not I'll scan the articles I have at
home (assuming I can lay a finger on them).

Reply to me at home:

theobat1@airmail.net

Later!

Brent

-----Original Message-----
From: aa8. [mailto:aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Gotha G.VII


> > Hello Brent
> > I would like those scans very much.
> > I have the Sierra Gotha GL.VII which is very nice but I have seen an
> Eastern
> > European resin version in Hannants that looks even nicer!
> > I'm after German schemes as opposed the post war schemes that the Sierra
> kit
> > features and are on at least one Blue Rider sheet.
> > Regards
> > Andy Jones
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
> > To: <aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:18 PM
> > Subject: Gotha G.VII
> >
> >
> > > Andy,
> > >
> > > I'll send you some scans tonight when I get home. Assuming I remember
> that
> > > is. Color scheme is up in the air between night lozenge or day
lozenge.
> > Some
> > > references state the aircraft used the same pre-printed fabric as all
> the
> > > other late war Gothas. However, I find it unusual to cover a day
bomber
> in
> > > night camo. I also cannot find where these books got the information.
> Take
> > > your best guess and go for it! No one can prove you wrong.
> > >
> > > Later!
> > >
> > > Brent
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:05:20 EST
From: Morg17ms@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: ammo belts
Message-ID: <64.acb871b.27a8a2b0@aol.com>

Matt - the belts are described in the Windsock article (a plug for 
subscriptions) and are done thusly....
    tape ends of a thin strip of 0.005" styrene (about 0.5mm wide and 3" 
long) to a piece of glass.  Cut dozens of 5 mm lengths of 0.010" rod, as 
cartridges.   Dip a fine brush in liguid glue (not CA) and dab on several 
spots on the plastic strip.  Quickly place some of the rods on the glue spots 
and line them up parallel to each other, spaced a rod diameter apart.  
Continue until the strip is done along its length.  Let the glue dry.  
Release the tape and slide a razor blade under the strip and lift off the 
glass.  Flip it over and using a sharp blade cut off the ends of the 
cartridges on either side of the strip, to the correct length of cartridge.  
Paint cartridges brass and copper.  Finish off with a thin strip of buff 
painted decal, and wrap gently on drums.

Ta da!  Goes much faster than it sounds.

Tom Morgan

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:09:05 EST
From: Morg17ms@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: On Hyperscale
Message-ID: <cd.1af187e.27a8a391@aol.com>

Tom - "don't have a cow man" - those 3 models represent a little over two 
years of work (400 hrs on the Halbie) and I've got none left!  May be 
finished the DH2 by May, but I don't think I'll be as pleased with it as I 
was with the Halbie.

Tom Morgan

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:12:58 EST
From: Suvoroff@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: My Previous
Message-ID: <f4.6f89766.27a8a47a@aol.com>

No!  Your spell-checker is correct; barbers are a dangerous and cunning 
breed; don't forget Sweeney Todd.

Yours,
James D. Gray

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:27:44 +0000
From: Steve Cox <steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Your fav
Message-ID: <B69CF1B7.409F%steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk>

After a little thought

Sopwith Baby
Caudron R 11
and the Grain Kitten is cute


Steve

===========================================
steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html
  If I didn't spend so much time on line
    ‹‹ I'd get some models finished
            ================

> From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
> Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:29:54 -0500 (EST)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: WWI digest 3026
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:52:56 -0800
> From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu
> Subject: Your fav
> Message-ID: <H0003a2c0663d3a2@MHS>
> 
> Chiming in late,
> 
> My favorites are:
> 
> Sopwith Pup
> Sopwith Triplane
> Nieuport 28
> Fokker Dr.1
> Any flying boat
> 
> Chris Friedenbach
> 


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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:30:21 +0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPOELDCEAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

For those interested in the Taubes:

Detlev Schorsch accepts EMail orders. The mail address is:

kit-studio@t-online.de

He also has some of the best prices for those rare czech resins (and maybe
the best selection in the world of these kits)

Volker

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
dfernet0
Sent: 30 January 2001 23:39
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins


Volker informed us:
> we might also soon see some Classic
> Plane/ Schorsch masters produced by the same guy (amongst them the Dornier
V
> 1)

I must add that some time ago Detlev Schorsch contacted me regarding my
vacform article on the website, saying that in the near future a webshop
with his line of products will be on line.
I'll write to Herr Schorsch to find out more.
D.



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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:42:55 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Winner paint schemes (Suvoroffs Theory of Decorative Military
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748B19@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

SP,

> The heat's gettin' to ya mate. Go buy an A/C ;-)

I'm back down a coal mine :-(

Air conditioning. What a concept.

Shane

















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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:47:20 EST
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Q's about French Pilot Seats
Message-ID: <f3.70559f6.27a8ac88@aol.com>


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There is a 'story', (probably fiction) that an early French pilot had his 
plane and flying suit modified with 'trap doors'  so that after inhaling hot 
Castor Oil fumes for a while, he could 'visit' the German Trenches with the 
result. Sounds too likely to be true, somehow.
Merrill



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>There is a 'story', (probably fiction) that an early French pilot had his 
<BR>plane and flying suit modified with 'trap doors' &nbsp;so that after inhaling hot 
<BR>Castor Oil fumes for a while, he could 'visit' the German Trenches with the 
<BR>result. Sounds too likely to be true, somehow.
<BR>Merrill
<BR>
<BR></FONT></HTML>

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:21:11 EST
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914
Message-ID: <40.6c580e4.27a8b477@aol.com>


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The Germans considered the Belgian refusal to allow their armies free passage 
as illegal. The legal and logical holes in that thinking are pretty big, but 
the Germans were rationalizing like crazy throughout the war, they took the 
attitude that they were "right' and everyone else was 'criminal', so they 
were fully justified in whatever they did, and surprised that no one else saw 
it their way.  The terror in Belgium was National Policy, not simply crimes 
of war. It seems strange to us now that in 1919, the Belgians did not demand 
the Kaiser and most of the generals for trial, (and well earned hanging) but 
the times were vastly different, I guess.
Merrill 



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>The Germans considered the Belgian refusal to allow their armies free passage 
<BR>as illegal. The legal and logical holes in that thinking are pretty big, but 
<BR>the Germans were rationalizing like crazy throughout the war, they took the 
<BR>attitude that they were "right' and everyone else was 'criminal', so they 
<BR>were fully justified in whatever they did, and surprised that no one else saw 
<BR>it their way. &nbsp;The terror in Belgium was National Policy, not simply crimes 
<BR>of war. It seems strange to us now that in 1919, the Belgians did not demand 
<BR>the Kaiser and most of the generals for trial, (and well earned hanging) but 
<BR>the times were vastly different, I guess.
<BR>Merrill 
<BR>
<BR></FONT></HTML>

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:35:29 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Unsubbed again :-(
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748B1D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Hi all,

Just realised that I'd been unsubbed for about 10 hours and all the mail I
had from listees had come direct.

Anyone expecting a smart alec answer to a list post in the intervening
period will no doubt have been well served by others ;-)

OTOH, if you were expecting a reply from me - I may not have seen the
question.

Shane





















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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:51:41 -0600
From: "The Shannons" <Shingend@ix.netcom.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914
Message-ID: <002c01c08b1f$fa9cc900$4fa7343f@shark>

Yes, neutrality has become a weird concept as armies got bigger and wars
more total.  In our own Civil War,  Missouri and Kentucky tried for a long
time to declare a neutrality.  Lincoln forced an 'occupied neutrality' on
Maryland to avoid having the nation's capitol in the middle of enemy
territory -- and put down riots with a firm hand.  It didn't help Missouri
to declare neutrality, either, as some of the bloodiest and most personal
fighting took place between the two sides in that state's own population.

The Neutrals have suffered, as belligerent countries seem to view neutrality
as a matter of convenience.  All of the Low Countries and Denmark and Norway
stayed neutral as long as it suited both sides in WWII -- Switzerland and
Sweden managed through what was at times some strange diplomacy.  And U.S.
hands are not entirely clean, since the frustration of the Ho Chi Minn Trail
led to eventual spread of the VietNam conflict to Laos and Cambodia.

Neutrals have also, either through self preservation or sympathies, played
less than neutral roles.  It's basic in human nature to take sides in a
conflict, and if you are neutral and one powerful belligerent is next door
to you while the other is more removed, you tend to go along until you
absolutely cannot anymore.  But certainly in both wars the roles of the
neutral United States swung from a theoretical even-handedness to a sympathy
toward the British and French.

Remember, too, that up until WWI, and even through the 1945, a number of
Americans had no trust, and little love, for the 'Bloody British.'  (In WWI,
think of how many of the famous gestures of Americans were alongside the
French -- Lafayette Escadrille, 'Lafayette, nous voici!', Polygon Wood and
Bois Belleau.)  So this siding with Great Britain was out of sympathy for
the cause and anger with the actions of the Germans.  I think it could be
said that the Germans managed to lose by winning in the level of arrogance
they could show the world, because neither the French nor British were
beloved for their retiring ways in the world.

As far as the list through history, I don't play "The Age of Empires,"
though I've been tempted.  The litany is just one of those depressing
statments of "Plus ca change, plus ca le meme chose."  (minus the proper
didactic marks, unfortunately)

.Mark.





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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:40:12 -0600
From: "Otis Goodin" <otisgoodin@home.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Tom Morgan's Halberstadt
Message-ID: <002401c08b26$c113eae0$f0720141@wllmsn1.tn.home.com>

Well, I was going to send in some pics of my BLue Max Halberstadt, but you
can just FORGET IT!!!! I'm too humilated to even take the pictures.

Otis



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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:46:47 -0500
From: RadspadMike@netscape.net
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Tom Morgan's Halberstadt
Message-ID: <1BDF8C93.253CC9B8.3E0364A1@netscape.net>


wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu wrote:
>
> Well, I was going to send in some pics of my BLue Max Halberstadt, but you
> can just FORGET IT!!!! I'm too humilated to even take the pictures.
> 
> Otis


I have the unbuilt Blue Max Halberstadt kit.  I don't know if I will ever open it and look at it again.  If I do and I build it, I will be tempted to spray it with lighter fluid and touch a match to it, creating a diorama of a crash scene.  That way no direct comparison can be made.

Tom, I am awed by your art.

Mike K.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:02:49 -0600
From: Marc Flake <mflake@airmail.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Morane Musings
Message-ID: <3A778059.12F8@airmail.net>

I've been doing a little work on my Moranes and had to refer to some
pictures in the FMP French book (YOU try rigging a Morane 'L' without
photos of the real thing).

While looking for 'L' references, I started reading about the 'H,' since
I have the HR Model "Morane 'H.'"  There's something wrong here folks.

The FMP says the 'H' is a one-seater and the 'G' is a two-seater. 
However, the HR Model 'H' is a two-seater.

{I must say at this point that the term two-seater is rather generous,
as there is only one seat and a bench in front, with the fellow sitting
in the seat providing the backrest for the fellow sitting on the bench
and flying the plane.  Can't figure what the fellow in back can do in
such a crowded compartment, except maybe yell "MORE RUDDER!" or "PULL
UP!"}

According to FMP, the 'G' wings are of greater span that the 'H.'  Well
the model is correct as far as the wings are concerned, but wrong as far
as the fuselage is concerned. It appears to have the wings of an 'H' and
the fuselage of a 'G,' but it gets worse. When I was measuring the 
fuselage against the plans in the FMP book -- it came up way too short. 
Too short for a 'G' and too short for an 'H.'

I don't usually measure parts against plans, and I'm sorry I did it this
time, but I was just trying to figure out whether I had a 'G' or an 'H.'

I hope this doesn't burst anyone's bubble. Of course, the FMP plans
could be wrong.

Marc (who's tired of using the apostrophe)

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:10:28 -0500
From: Rob & Sherry <rweiner@tampabay.rr.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: ot Kits
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010130221028.008f51f0@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com>

Hey!
 Anyone want any of these?
Testors Lear 1/48 
Hawk T-33 1/48
Minicraft C-150 1/48
Minicraft P-47 1/144
Gotta make room for some new OT kits....DAMN you list members, got me
hooked!!! :)
Rob


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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:11:53 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Morane Musings
Message-ID: <200101310311.TAA28928@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:07:15 -0500 (EST), Marc Flake wrote:

> I've been doing a little work on my Moranes and had to refer to some
> pictures in the FMP French book (YOU try rigging a Morane 'L' without
> photos of the real thing).

No doubt!  Do you know there is a Datafile on the Type L?

> While looking for 'L' references, I started reading about the 'H,' since
> I have the HR Model "Morane 'H.'"  There's something wrong here folks.
> 
> The FMP says the 'H' is a one-seater and the 'G' is a two-seater. 
> However, the HR Model 'H' is a two-seater.

Crap.  I wonder what I'm getting as the Type G.

> {I must say at this point that the term two-seater is rather generous,
> as there is only one seat and a bench in front, with the fellow sitting
> in the seat providing the backrest for the fellow sitting on the bench
> and flying the plane.  Can't figure what the fellow in back can do in
> such a crowded compartment, except maybe yell "MORE RUDDER!" or "PULL
> UP!"}

ROTFL!!

> According to FMP, the 'G' wings are of greater span that the 'H.'  Well
> the model is correct as far as the wings are concerned, but wrong as far
> as the fuselage is concerned. It appears to have the wings of an 'H' and
> the fuselage of a 'G,' but it gets worse. When I was measuring the 
> fuselage against the plans in the FMP book -- it came up way too short. 
> Too short for a 'G' and too short for an 'H.'

Man, don't say this.

> I don't usually measure parts against plans, and I'm sorry I did it this
> time, but I was just trying to figure out whether I had a 'G' or an 'H.'
> 
> I hope this doesn't burst anyone's bubble. Of course, the FMP plans
> could be wrong.

Gee, thanks, Marc.  Man oh man oh man...

FWIW, Windsock did a great piece (actually a translation) on the IRAS
use of the Type G, which included scale plans.

> Marc (who's tired of using the apostrophe)

Easy.  Say Type G.  No apostrophe's.  Dang, there's one.  There's
another.  And another!  Argh... :-)

Okay, Marc.  If the Type G I have coming is not a Type G, it's all your
fault. ;-)

I had high hopes that HR would continue with their decent Morane's.  Ah
well...  (I have the Type N and Type L, and they're both decent enough,
although I doubt I'll use the Type L's resin wing...)


Matt Bittner



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