WWI Digest 3027 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins by Crawford Neil 2) More Tom Morgan by "Matt Bittner" 3) New images by "Matt Bittner" 4) Re: Favs by "Ken Acosta" 5) You know you're a modeler when... by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 6) Re: Roden gotha review by "Matt Bittner" 7) More Magnificient Morgan Magic On Hyperscale by "Laskodi" 8) RE: Wight was And Proud of It!! - John Porte - and book tip by Crawford Neil 9) Re: Favs & Books by "Lance Krieg" 10) Re: More Magnificient Morgan Magic On Hyperscale by "Tom Solinski" 11) RE: Favs & Books by Crawford Neil 12) RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 13) RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins by "dfernet0" 14) RE: Roden gotha review by Brent Theobald 15) RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins by Crawford Neil 16) Re: Your fav by "diaphus" 17) RE: You know you're a modeler when... by "dfernet0" 18) the war crimes of the huns, August of 1914... by "Gaston Graf" 19) Turnbuckles by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 20) Re: Turnbuckles by "Matt Bittner" 21) New at NKR by "Matt Bittner" 22) Re: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914 by "Mark Shannon" 23) Re: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914 by "Mark Shannon" 24) Re: My Previous by "Mark Shannon" 25) Re: My Previous by "Lance Krieg" 26) Re: Your fav by "Bob Pearson" 27) Re: Favs & Books by "Bob Pearson" 28) Re: RMS pays...sometimes by Bob Sasak 29) Icare by "Matt Bittner" 30) RE: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914 by "Gaston Graf" 31) Re: Icare by "Brian Nicklas" 32) Re: Icare by "Matt Bittner" 33) RE: Icare by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:14:49 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins Message-ID: The second worst kit I ever built was the Classic Plane vacuform Depperdusin. Maybe he's learnt something since then, but I'd want to look before I buy. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no [mailto:knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no] > Sent: den 30 januari 2001 14:48 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins > > > Hei, > > Just go a copy of Modell-Fan 2001-1, Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr > advert lists 1/72 Lüdemann-Resins at 29.95DEM: > Etrich Taube IV (1910) > Etrich-Rumpler Taube (1912) > Jeanin-Stahltaube (1914) > Gotha-Taube > "Feiner geht`s nicht! Sogar mit Speichenräder!" > (Best there is! Even with spoked wheels!) > > Has someone on the list seen these kits so they can confirm > the claim above? > > Think the man behind Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr is Dietlev Schorsch > who produced the Classic Plane vacuforms. > Have bought both Czech resins and other items from this outfit, > took some time until I got the kits, but they did not charge my card > until the parcel was in the mail. > > > Eders > Knut Erik > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:21:35 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: More Tom Morgan Message-ID: <200101301421.GAA28338@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Check out Hyperscale (http://www.hyperscale.com) for the latest Halberstadt from Tom Morgan. Bob, you need to *use* that finger chopper now that you have it. ;-) Talk about a stunning piece of work!! Most excellent. Tom, one question. How do you do your ammo and belts? Truly amazing... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:53:53 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New images Message-ID: <200101301453.GAA02859@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Yesterday I uploaded Dan Hartz' 1/72nd models to the page, and today I just uploaded Jack Gartner's excellent MoS Type AI. I still have Dan's "real" photos of a Camel to go, but I need to do some "real" work first. ;-) Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:57:23 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Re: Favs Message-ID: Shane (tE) writes: "Incidentally, I think that the reason that *I* (purely personally) prefer other aircraft over the streamlined ones is that I find "eye candy" types sweet but with no usefull dietary value and no obvious flavour." I too find terrific appeal in purposeful and rugged designs such as the Brisfit. In your analogy Shane, would this qualify as "roughage?" KA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:58:07 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: You know you're a modeler when... Message-ID: An old friend once said you know you're a modeler when you can walk into any shop, look at the shelves and think "hmm, now how can I use that on my workbench?" Well last night I added to that. Snowstorm hit hard. 35 more centimetres of the stuff dumped on us, whipped into blinding white-outs by 90k winds. So I left the car at the office, hitched a ride on a 4X4 to my Mum's and had a wonderful evening eating fish (which I can't at home because SWMBO is allergic) and sipping dark rum. Here's the "you know you're a modeler when" part. I had planned to get back at the Jenny kit when I got home yesterday. So when I found myself comfortable at my Mum's instead, I found my fingers were starting to itch. So I lay in the warm after dinner glow and began listing down what I wanted to do with this kit. Additions, alterations, little doses of superdetailing insanity, ideas for turnbuckles, painging options etc When I finished I ended up with a big notepad full of scribbles on what I planned to do tho the venerable Lindberg kit. See. You know you're a modeler when even when the model is miles away, you can still get something done on it (even if in a very non-computer virtual way). Blue skies and sun today, blinding snowbanks everywhere and life getting back to normal. I have back to back interviews all day but I can't seem to get the plans for the Jenny out of my head. I found myself thinking of adding engine braces this morning while I was interviewing an artist about an upcoming exhibition. MVJ One-tracked mind and loving it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:21:03 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Roden gotha review Message-ID: <200101301520.HAA04740@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:24:56 -0500 (EST), Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > All weekend I spent with this beautiful kit. > You have seen spruces on roden site. I can only show you bigger scans in > my review for Polish modelers site on Thanks for the larger images! One question, though. How does it compare to the references, especially the drawings? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:24:59 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "Post WW1 List" Subject: More Magnificient Morgan Magic On Hyperscale Message-ID: <000901c08ad0$cf6669c0$123819d0@laskodi> Tom's Halberstadt Cl.II is featured today at Hyperscale. Go to: http://www.hyperscale.com/gallery/cliitm_1.htm Prepare to be humbled, IMHO this is the best one yet! ----------------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:33:13 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Wight was And Proud of It!! - John Porte - and book tip Message-ID: This is all very interesting. How does R.J. Mitchell come into it? He was at Pemberton-Billing in 1916, was that his first job? And what was the connection between J.Samuel White and Supermarine, I have a note on that, in my reference list, but I don't know where it came from. /Neil > Neil, as a side track to a side track may I just try to sort > out Wight, > White and Wright. > Wight aircraft were built by the Aviation Department of J. > Samuel White & > Co. Ltd, and designed by Howard T. Wright, a designer and > builder in his own > right since1908. > The firm also built the Admiralty Air Department Type A.D.1, > designed by > Harris Booth, also famous for the A.D. Sparrow Scout and > Blackburn Triplane. > The A.D.1 was a twin engined, twin boom seaplane with a > central nacelle. > > This information comes from 'The Wight Aircraft' by Michael > H. Goodall, > published by Gentry Books in 1978, a superb book on a little > known Company. > If the new Schiffer book by him is anything like it , it > should be well > worth getting. > > Regards Len. > > lensmith@clara.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:54:19 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Favs & Books Message-ID: These recent threads have me thinking about my references, and considering which of the books I consider to be indispensable. It occurs that folks trying to build a library might like the group's consensus on the "must haves". For any particular model, the Windsock Datafile is a must, and if one is fortunate, articles in C&C, OTF, or WWI Aero can be very handy: but for general reference? Personally, I find myself using some books on every project: Harleyford series, particularly the "Fighters" and "Bombers" books. Woodman's "Early Aircraft Armament" Imrie's "Pictorial History of the Imperial German Air Service" (if the model is a Central Powers example) Bowyer's (?) "Air War" (?) It's a pictorial history of of the Commnwealth's men and machines, but I can't remember the specifics without checking. The advantages of these last two books are large, clear, and varied pictures, full of detail and atmosphere, that always fill me with enthusiasm. I should probably add the Gentilli and Apostolo "Profiles" book we discussed in the last several weeks, for it's great 5-views. I'm sure I'm forgetting some of the others, like the FMP masterpieces on A-H, French, and Russian planes, but of course they are specific to one country's efforts. What other books do folks consider "must haves"? Just trying to generate some e-mail, here at work... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:11:57 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: More Magnificient Morgan Magic On Hyperscale Message-ID: <00ce01c08ad7$5e9ca5e0$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> STOP showing us things like this!!! Makes me want to sell off EVERUYTHING because I'm not worthy!! Tom you are truely a craftsman and an artist! with much respect and envy tom Solinski ----- Original Message ----- From: Laskodi To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: More Magnificient Morgan Magic On Hyperscale > Tom's Halberstadt Cl.II is featured today at Hyperscale. Go to: > http://www.hyperscale.com/gallery/cliitm_1.htm > Prepare to be humbled, IMHO this is the best one yet! > ----------------Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:12:05 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Favs & Books Message-ID: Well you nearly did too good a job, couldn't think of much else to add. I usually have several copies of Aeroplane Monthly, Air Enthusiast Quarterly and Air International (before it degenerated) on the workbench. I have them all indexed so I can find the ones I need. The FMP french book is certainly one I'd include in the list. I usually look up the old profiles too, but they are only just worth the bother, they're so easy to find though. My two öre (a swedish cent). /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Lance Krieg [mailto:lance.krieg@amerus.com] > Sent: den 30 januari 2001 16:59 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Favs & Books > > > These recent threads have me thinking about my references, > and considering which of the books I consider to be > indispensable. It occurs that folks trying to build a > library might like the group's consensus on the "must haves". > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 04:23:04 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins Message-ID: Knut asked on the Luedemann resinbs: "Just go a copy of Modell-Fan 2001-1, Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr advert lists 1/72 Lüdemann-Resins at 29.95DEM: Etrich Taube IV (1910) Etrich-Rumpler Taube (1912) Jeanin-Stahltaube (1914) Gotha-Taube "Feiner geht`s nicht! Sogar mit Speichenräder!" (Best there is! Even with spoked wheels!) Has someone on the list seen these kits so they can confirm the claim above? Think the man behind Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr is Dietlev Schorsch who produced the Classic Plane vacuforms." Yes, I´ve seen the masters in October, and they looked incredible (I think I posted a mail on this theme at that time): Especially the typical Taube trailing edge design looked superb. If he maintained that quality for the series run, they will definitely be amongst the BEST resins ever done. BTW, on Neils comments:Detlev Schorsch is just selling the kits, Herr Luedemann designing and producing them. However, we might also soon see some Classic Plane/ Schorsch masters produced by the same guy (amongst them the Dornier V 1) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:31:56 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins Message-ID: <021d01c08ada$29395260$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Volker informed us: > we might also soon see some Classic > Plane/ Schorsch masters produced by the same guy (amongst them the Dornier V > 1) I must add that some time ago Detlev Schorsch contacted me regarding my vacform article on the website, saying that in the near future a webshop with his line of products will be on line. I'll write to Herr Schorsch to find out more. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:35:56 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Roden gotha review Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79ECC2@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com> FYI: THe Gotha is in the new Squadron flyer. Matt, the ICM Su-2 is also there. Later! Brent -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:27 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Roden gotha review On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:24:56 -0500 (EST), Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > All weekend I spent with this beautiful kit. > You have seen spruces on roden site. I can only show you bigger scans in > my review for Polish modelers site on Thanks for the larger images! One question, though. How does it compare to the references, especially the drawings? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:40:00 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins Message-ID: Sounds good Volker, that old Classic Plane vacuform is ancient history anyway. /Neil Volker wrote: > BTW, > on Neils comments:Detlev Schorsch is just selling the kits, > Herr Luedemann > designing and producing them. However, we might also soon see > some Classic > Plane/ Schorsch masters produced by the same guy (amongst > them the Dornier V > 1) > > Volker > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:22 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <002d01c08adc$74e55a40$f5551a18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Adam" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:20 AM Subject: RE: Your fav > >Nieuport 28 that I am going to do as the "Flying Fish" if I can find ... > > Hi Jack > IIRC was this not a 27? I might well be wrong without refs here - but if I'm > right you may be seeing too many tart's boudoir schemes on Hunmobiles. > > Sandy > > You're probably right! It's a back burner project until I find the top wing markings, and I can't keep those French numbers straight for some reason unless I'm actually working on them. Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:48:06 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: You know you're a modeler when... Message-ID: <02e101c08adc$6bdda560$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Mark stated: > you know you're a modeler when you can walk into > any shop, look at the shelves and think "hmm, now how can I use that on my > workbench?" and > You know you're a modeler when even when the model is miles away, you > can still get something done on it (even if in a very non-computer virtual > way). and > I found myself thinking of adding engine braces this morning while I was > interviewing an artist about an upcoming exhibition. And I have to add: While I was visiting a paleontological museum a few days ago, we watched the team of paleontologists cleaning fossil with powerful and precise equipment. I was stunned and inmediatly I tought "If I had such a lab to do my models..." Just imagine that! And to maintain my sanity (if not too good for my job) I have to wander about modelling techniques every day rather than fighting my lousy co-workers! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:36:30 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: the war crimes of the huns, August of 1914... Message-ID: Friends, this has got nothing to do with modeling but I thought atleast some of you might be interested into the events of August of 1914. I talked with a local historian of Virton (Belgium) on the phone today. What he told me about the behaviour of the German troops was simply shocking... And still there is more to come. You can read about it at my website, as usual. There is no evidence yet that the Ulan Regiment of Manfred von Richthofen participated in the cruelties but if they really kept out of it this seem to be a very big exception. Fact is that the book that Manfred von Richthofen wrote is full of intended falsifications, degrading it to a novell rather than a book providing valuable historical information of its time. sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:26:17 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Turnbuckles Message-ID: Please ignore my last post on tracing a turnbuckle article. Was just doing some work on my hard drive and found the article from Tomas taken from the albatros cook-up site safely stashed away.. . . .a file informatively marked "misc stuff." hey Matt "check your own computer" sounds so much worse than "check the site" don't you think?? ;-) Doh!! MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:58:37 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Turnbuckles Message-ID: <200101301758.JAA16713@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:56:03 -0500 (EST), Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > hey Matt "check your own computer" sounds so much worse than "check the > site" don't you think?? ;-) Maybe we should include two lines, at the very top, in the FAQ - 1: check your own computer/disc's; and 2: check the site. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:34:55 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New at NKR Message-ID: <200101301834.KAA04252@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Just saw this available on the NKR site from CMK: Richthoffen flying circuis WW1 (3 figures) $7 Aus. Cool! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:24:04 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914 Message-ID: Gaston, The descriptions of the German treatment of the population has gone through a number of see-saw battles in the English language publications. Of course, in 1914 the descriptions were of the tortures inflicted by the inhuman beasts on the innocent Belgians. Richtoffen, writing as he did during the war for his home audience, would whitewash any such stories, paint them as propaganda, or ignore the ones he could. After the war, there was still a large sentiment that the Germans invading Belgium had acted like inhuman monsters. However, as the countries again started to do business in Germany, there was a typical view that these could not be the same people who committed such crimes, and the extreme stories were dismissed as wartime propaganda exaggerating the reality. During WWII, there seems to have been a further tendency to diminish the WWI actions, possibly to differentiate 'good' German soldiers from Hitler's 'evil' Nazi soldiers. Barbara Tuchmann wrote of the facts as she discovered in her research, which indicate that there were many horrifying German brutalities visited on the countryside of the invaded countries in 1914. Two major explanations seem to have come to light. 1. The Germans were certain that they were on the way to a glorious victory over the French, just as at Sedan 44 years earlier. Niceties of behavior were to be set aside in the light of ensuring a swift victory that would 'save lives in the long run.' Also there was a bit of a arrogance in the idea that the treaty protecting the Belgians was something else that just stood in the way, and was to be brushed aside, that they would apologize for after their victory in the usual diplomacy way. 2. The German military mind seemed to view 'irregular' troops and armed civilians as against the rules of military conduct. French and English (and American, as derivative) viewed them as the latest of a long line of the militia/Minuteman patriotically defending his home and loved ones. The Germans reacted to snipers and 'Franc tirellieurs' as criminals, and those harboring them as criminals as well. The Germans seem to have been confused and amazed that the rest of the world did not see things their way. The arrogance they felt in the superiority of the German way of life was almost impenetrable by logic or ethical question in the climate of the time. What is for certain is that there are many Belgian towns where the cemeteries contain rows of markers stating 'fussielles par les allemandes' - two groups, one marked 1914, one marked 1940. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:59:25 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914 Message-ID: Just to try to correct one paragraph : During WWII, there seems to have been a further tendency to diminish the WWI actions, possibly to differentiate 'good' German soldiers from 'Hitler's evil Nazi' soldiers, while ignoring the fact that the Generals, Colonels, and old Sergeants of the latter were the cadets, lieutenants, captains and soldiers of the former. There may also have been a bit of considering that the WWI brutality was minimal compared to what was done in WWII. It's just another one of those things that says that the 'Great War' ran from about 1909 to 1989 with truces and treaties, as the world populations settled out which were the 20th century's 'Great Powers' (let's see, Hittites, Mycenaean Greeks, Egyptians and Phoenicians, then Greeks (and Macedonians), Persians, and Egyptians, then Romans and Carthaginians, then Holy Roman Empire (including Franks and Gauls), Byzantines, Mongol, and the Muslim Caliphate Empire, then Ottoman Turks, Arabic Muslims, Barbers, and the Christian Europeans, then Portugese, French, Spanish, and English, then French, English, Swedish, Russian, and Prussian, then we get into the 19th century) And that is without considering the rise of the Bantu nations, India and Afghanistan, Japan, Korea, and China, the shucking of colonialism at several stages through the entire history of man by many peoples, and all the other ot actions that read so similarly to the time period of 1914-1918. Time for my anti-depressants. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:50:59 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: My Previous Message-ID: > ...then Ottoman Turks, Arabic Muslims, Barbers, and the Christian Europeans, ... ^ Would you believe I wrote 'Berbers', and told the spell checker not to try to replace it, and it did it anyway? No? .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:35:06 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: My Previous Message-ID: "...then Ottoman Turks, Arabic Muslims, Barbers, and the Christian Europeans, ..." Actually, I think you'll find that history records the Barbers as among the MOST cut-throat groups, so the spell-checker knew what it was doing... sort of a "fact-checker" Otherwise, I'm steering clear of the topic... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:32:38 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <200101302210.OAA30440@mail.rapidnet.net> James Gray says . . > however, I discard this evidence as > irrelevant, since it does not fit my theory. Truer words were never uttered. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:49:25 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Favs & Books Message-ID: <200101302210.OAA30445@mail.rapidnet.net> My alltime fav WW1 aviation book would have to be the old red covered Warplanes and Airbattles of World War One published by Purnell/Phoebus. This had everything. . excerpts from all the classic biographies, profiles, photos. All-in-all an excellent overview of WW1 aviation, and a great primer for anyone getting started. As for references, my number one book seems to have been Above the Trenches .. I have almost worn out my copy. Add to this any of the FMP or Grub Street volumes .. and then of course there are the journals and Datafiles. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:16:22 -0800 From: Bob Sasak To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RMS pays...sometimes Message-ID: <3A772F1C.4CCEBE76@wolfenet.com> "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > Stumbled on a good trade while perusing RMS (I only read Playboy for the > articles and only look at RMS for the modeling tips ;-) > > I got a Sierra Roland C.II and a Tom's Pfalz D.IIIA, both 1/48 vacs for 5 > bucks postage. I sent the guy a couple of ot kits I'll never build along > with his postage money. Still way ahead as I got them for a buck each at the > club raffle. > > Anyone know if the Tom's Pfalz kit has pointy or rounded wing tips & which > stab? > sp I was wondering who got the models! You beat me by a few hours. I'm glad it was someone on the list. : ) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:20:12 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Icare Message-ID: <200101302120.NAA16469@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Since we have new members on the list since the last time I asked, does anyone on the list get Icare? And the rest can forgo the jokes, please... ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:37:10 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Crimes of the Invading Germans, 1914 Message-ID: Mark, thanks a lot for the additional explantions on "the German way of thinking in 1914". Whatever was going on in their heads, there is no excuse for killing innocent women and children nor is there an excuse to slaughtering wounded enemy soldiers under protection of the convention of Geneva. In other discussions I had there was people saying that the Germans took the franc-tireurs as criminels and because armed civilians are not falling under the aggreements of the Geneva convention they could do with them whatever they wanted to do. To me this is the most rediculous excuse for war crimes I ever heard. That is as if a civilian who wants to defend his homeland from invaders automatically becomes a criminel while the invaders are not considered to have done anything wrong. I tell you something: Before WW1 as well as before WW2 my homeland was NEUTRAL. This neutrality got ignored by the Germans twice, the country occupied and atleast in WWII the population terroized. I am quite sure that if I had lived at the times of WWII I would have become a member of the Résistance - of the partisans - to fight against the Nazi invaders. Strange is that the Germans apparently only terrorized the Belgian and French population in WW1 but behaved correctly in Luxembourg. But in WW1 there wasn't any partisans at all so the Germans took the women and the children... This all happened long ago and should never stand between the younger generations of Germans and the other Europeans. I would not have married a German girl if I would have been influenced by the deeds of the older generations of her nation. Today the deeds are forgiven - but never forgotten. > (let's see, Hittites, Mycenaean Greeks, Egyptians and > Phoenicians, then Greeks (and Macedonians), Persians, and > Egyptians, then Romans and Carthaginians, then Holy Roman Empire > (including Franks and Gauls), Byzantines, Mongol, and the Muslim > Caliphate Empire, then Ottoman Turks, Arabic Muslims, Barbers, > and the Christian Europeans, then Portugese, French, Spanish, and > English, then French, English, Swedish, Russian, and Prussian, > then we get into the 19th century) And that is without > considering the rise of the Bantu nations, India and Afghanistan, > Japan, Korea, and China, the shucking of colonialism at several > stages through the entire history of man by many peoples, and all > the other ot actions that read so similarly to the time period of > 1914-1918. > This listing sounds like you play a lot of Age of Empires, which is one of my favorite RTS games ;o) with kindest regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:41:39 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Icare Message-ID: I think NASM or someone here at NASM gets ICARE. What do you need Matt? Go off list if you'd like (or are shy) Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:45:49 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Icare Message-ID: <200101302145.NAA19069@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:45:17 -0500 (EST), Brian Nicklas wrote: > I think NASM or someone here at NASM gets ICARE. > What do you need Matt? > Go off list if you'd like (or are shy) No need to go off list, because there are a ton of articles on French WW1 aviation. I can't remember the issue, but there was an issue that had an article on the MoS Type AI. Plus a couple of articles on the Lafayette Escadrille. Like I said, a whole ton of WW1 French aviation stuff. I'm interested in it all. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:45:12 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Icare Message-ID: Matt, just in case you are referring to the French aviation magazine and nothing else, I can provide you the address of the editor: ICARE Tour ESSOR 93 14-16 rue de Scandicci F-93508 PANTIN Cédex Europe Phone: 01 49 42 20 89 (notice that country code is unknown to me when dialing from overseas. Also you should omit the first "0" after the country code when dialing.) It is probably sold in Luxmeburgish stores as well but I never saw it. Will keep my eyes open for it. hope this helps Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Matt Bittner > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Icare > > > Since we have new members on the list since the last time I asked, does > anyone on the list get Icare? And the rest can forgo the jokes, > please... ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3027 **********************