WWI Digest 3026 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Your fav by Lee 2) Re: Q's about French Pilot Seats by "diaphus" 3) Your fav by cfrieden@calpoly.edu 4) RE: Q's about French Pilot Seats by Shane Weier 5) Re: Q's about French Pilot Seats by "diaphus" 6) re: books by Charles Hart 7) Re: Your fav by Suvoroff@aol.com 8) RE: Your fav by Shane Weier 9) RMS pays...sometimes by "Steven M.Perry" 10) Winner paint schemes by "dfernet0" 11) Re: Winner paint schemes by "Steven M.Perry" 12) RE: RMS pays...sometimes by Shane Weier 13) RE: Winner paint schemes (Suvoroffs Theory of Decorative Military by Shane Weier 14) Re: RMS pays...sometimes by "Steven M.Perry" 15) Re: Winner paint schemes (Suvoroffs Theory of Decorative Military by "Steven M.Perry" 16) RE: Winner paint schemes by Crawford Neil 17) Re: books by "Sandy Adam" 18) RE: Your fav by "Sandy Adam" 19) RE: Your fav by Crawford Neil 20) Re: books by Dennis Ugulano 21) RE: Your fav by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 22) Re: Groundwork musings (Figures) by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 23) RE: Your fav by Crawford Neil 24) Tauben from Ludemann-Resins by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 25) RE: Groundwork musings (Figures) by "dfernet0" 26) RE: Groundwork musings (Figures) by "Matt Bittner" 27) Roden gotha review by Witold Kozakiewicz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:39:13 -0600 From: Lee To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <3A764571.40204@x25.net> --------------080004080604040701020606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you take the time to examine the planes themselves the reason becomes more obvious. Look at the color schemes and camouflage patterns. Maybe that is why they lost but the winner had a lot of "YUCK" on their side. Not once but twice. Best of all the planes were not half bad themselves. Lee M. Shane Weier wrote: > Lorna, > >> Well, the common argument here is that the losing side had more >> interesting schemes/camouflage patterns etc. > > > > Obviously they needed the most attractive camo schemes in order to better > resist being shot down. ;-) > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > > --------------080004080604040701020606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you take the time to examine the planes themselves the reason becomes more obvious.  Look at the color schemes and camouflage patterns.

Maybe that is why they lost but the winner had a lot of "YUCK" on their side.  Not once but twice. 

Best of all the planes were not half bad themselves.

Lee M.

Shane Weier wrote:
Lorna,

Well, the common argument here is that the losing side had more
interesting schemes/camouflage patterns etc.


Obviously they needed the most attractive camo schemes in order to better
resist being shot down. ;-)

Shane
















**********************************************************************
The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is
intended only for the use of the addressee(s).
If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or
copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to
forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the
MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre.

e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au
phone: Australia 1800500646
**********************************************************************



--------------080004080604040701020606-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:41:03 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Q's about French Pilot Seats Message-ID: <009601c08a76$da44f460$f5551a18@tampabay.rr.com> Lance, Thanks for the info! As for: "Also, did these things have a padded seat cushion?" > > They would if I was going to sit on them for a while... so I always include them, usually of very dark brown leather. I don't know. If you were able to fly in those flimsy things, in freezing cold, wind blast and engine noise in your ears and castor oil film blowing on you, plus people shooting at you to boot, I'm not sure a wood seat would even be noticed :-) Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:52:56 -0800 From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu Subject: Your fav Message-ID: Chiming in late, My favorites are: Sopwith Pup Sopwith Triplane Nieuport 28 Fokker Dr.1 Any flying boat Chris Friedenbach ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:56:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Q's about French Pilot Seats Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748B0A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jack > If you were able to fly in those flimsy > things, in freezing > cold, wind blast and engine noise in your ears and castor oil > film blowing > on you, plus people shooting at you to boot, I'm not sure a > wood seat would even be noticed :-) > I'd need the oval type, with the hole in the centre Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:41:32 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Q's about French Pilot Seats Message-ID: <00a401c08a87$af4c38c0$f5551a18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:02 AM Subject: RE: Q's about French Pilot Seats > Jack > > > If you were able to fly in those flimsy > > things, in freezing > > cold, wind blast and engine noise in your ears and castor oil > > film blowing > > on you, plus people shooting at you to boot, I'm not sure a > > wood seat would even be noticed :-) > > > > I'd need the oval type, with the hole in the centre > > Shane > I guess that would make you a fighter-bomber, eh? :-) Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:26:27 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: re: books Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010130002627.00a12e60@spot.colorado.edu> De-lurking for a moment to cover a favorite subject of mine. Two copies of the Thetford Camouflage volume have sold recently on eBay, both in excess of US$60. It appears to be a small paperback volume published during the Second Unpleasantness. I've not seen one, apart from the scanned images on two recent auction pages. I would be MOST interested to read the 1940's interpretation of lozenge fabric. Charles Hart Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:11:14 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: books Message-ID: <001101c08a6a$4ed32200$1e744c0c@tom>Hi- Anyone know anything about the books: Camoflage '14-18 Aircraft, by O.G.Thetford? I may have located a copy of each, one in the US and one in Australia.thanksTP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:19:24 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: "Well, the common argument here is that the losing side had more interesting schemes/camouflage patterns etc. Although maybe it has more to do with wanting to rewrite history :-)" I have a theory that more interesting schemes/camouflage patterns CAUSE defeat in war. Look at a certain o.t. war; the Germans win so long as they paint their tanks dark gray but as soon as they shift to a complex multi-color system, they lose! And to whom? A bunch of guys who paint their tanks green! Co-incidence? I think not! Or our own O.T. war; the complex and interesting German schemes lose to the British PC 10. There MUST be a causal relationship here. Some interfering busybodies might point out that the French ALSO won WWI with complex four and five color camo schemes; however, I discard this evidence as irrelevant, since it does not fit my theory. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:30:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Your fav Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748B12@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> James posits: > Some interfering busybodies might point out that the French > ALSO won WWI with > complex four and five color camo schemes; however, I discard > this evidence as > irrelevant, since it does not fit my theory. Ah, but look how close they came to losing it all - mutinies and so forth. Note that they were doing just fine while using silver Nieuports and cream SPAD VII's but things started going pear shaped with the introduction of paint schemes. Heck - look at Vietnam. Some of us were there and most of the rest watched it on TV. Same-same. No wonder the USN and USAF paint everything plain grey now. Perhaps you should collaborate with the soon to be student of such things, the estimable Mr David Burke who will surely apply some fine intellectual flannel to the whole theory and *really* give it a polish :-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:35:44 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: RMS pays...sometimes Message-ID: <002901c08aa8$67176860$0ff0aec7@default> Stumbled on a good trade while perusing RMS (I only read Playboy for the articles and only look at RMS for the modeling tips ;-) I got a Sierra Roland C.II and a Tom's Pfalz D.IIIA, both 1/48 vacs for 5 bucks postage. I sent the guy a couple of ot kits I'll never build along with his postage money. Still way ahead as I got them for a buck each at the club raffle. Anyone know if the Tom's Pfalz kit has pointy or rounded wing tips & which stab? sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:38:08 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Winner paint schemes Message-ID: <011101c08aa8$bc5b1b00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Let me add a twist to James' tehory: German front line planes in garish schemes----- Germany loses war Allied front line planes in dull schemes ----------- Allies won war AND German training machines were painted in dull-one colour schemes, sometimes relieved by just a number Allied (british) training units painted their machines in zebra, plaid, spotted paint schemes. what's the meaning of that? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: RE: Your fav > James posits: > > > Some interfering busybodies might point out that the French > > ALSO won WWI with > > complex four and five color camo schemes; however, I discard > > this evidence as > > irrelevant, since it does not fit my theory. > > Ah, but look how close they came to losing it all - mutinies and so forth. > Note that they were doing just fine while using silver Nieuports and cream > SPAD VII's but things started going pear shaped with the introduction of > paint schemes. > > Heck - look at Vietnam. Some of us were there and most of the rest watched > it on TV. Same-same. No wonder the USN and USAF paint everything plain grey > now. > > Perhaps you should collaborate with the soon to be student of such things, > the estimable Mr David Burke who will surely apply some fine intellectual > flannel to the whole theory and *really* give it a polish :-) > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:55:12 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Winner paint schemes Message-ID: <004301c08aab$1f22f800$0ff0aec7@default> Diego adds atwist to the theory: > German front line planes in garish schemes----- Germany loses war > Allied front line planes in dull schemes ----------- Allies won war > AND > German training machines were painted in dull-one colour schemes, sometimes > relieved by just a number > Allied (british) training units painted their machines in zebra, plaid, > spotted paint schemes sp proposes a new theory: German frontline units were allowed to paint up their planes. Allied training units were allowed to paint up their planes. Pilots who are allowed to paint up their planes will do so to the extent tolerated by their superiors. Modelers, having no superiors ;-), will tend to model the coolest looking paint schemes. Nothing to do with war fighting ability or politics, just human nature at work. dp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:54:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: RMS pays...sometimes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748B15@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP tells us: > I got a Sierra Roland C.II and a Tom's Pfalz D.IIIA, both > 1/48 vacs for 5 > bucks postage. I sent the guy a couple of ot kits I'll never > build along > with his postage money. HA! Caught in the depths of perversion. Anyway, it wasn't *a guy* it was Steven Tontoni, an ex-listee (and nice chap I might add) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:08:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Winner paint schemes (Suvoroffs Theory of Decorative Military Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748B17@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP says: > Nothing to do with war fighting > ability or politics, just human nature at work. Mmm. ....theory boring. I like imaginative Suvoroff Theory of Decorative Military Causality better. Nothing personal. But it's no wonder you build those boring CDL things ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:17:04 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: RMS pays...sometimes Message-ID: <004f01c08aae$2d063ce0$0ff0aec7@default> > HA! Caught in the depths of perversion. Anyway, it wasn't *a guy* it was > Steven Tontoni, an ex-listee (and nice chap I might add) Yup, it was Steve. Didn't know he was a former list member though. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:18:47 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Winner paint schemes (Suvoroffs Theory of Decorative Military Message-ID: <005501c08aae$6ad59a20$0ff0aec7@default> > > Nothing personal. But it's no wonder you build those boring CDL things ;-) > > Shane The heat's gettin' to ya mate. Go buy an A/C ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:40:13 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Winner paint schemes Message-ID: Well heres a rather boring reason for your theory. It's not a cause, its a symptom. A nation on the offensive don't need camouflage, when they begin to go over to the defensive, it's natural that they begin to have a bigger interest in hiding. Simple as that! /Neil PS. What does this say about Swedens Viggen camouflage?! > -----Original Message----- > From: Suvoroff@aol.com [mailto:Suvoroff@aol.com] > Sent: den 30 januari 2001 10:24 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Your fav > > > "Well, the common argument here is that the losing side had > more interesting > schemes/camouflage patterns etc. Although maybe it has more > to do with > wanting to rewrite history :-)" > > I have a theory that more interesting schemes/camouflage > patterns CAUSE > defeat in war. Look at a certain o.t. war; the Germans win > so long as they > paint their tanks dark gray but as soon as they shift to a complex > multi-color system, they lose! And to whom? A bunch of guys > who paint their > tanks green! Co-incidence? I think not! > > Or our own O.T. war; the complex and interesting German > schemes lose to the > British PC 10. There MUST be a causal relationship here. > > Some interfering busybodies might point out that the French > ALSO won WWI with > complex four and five color camo schemes; however, I discard > this evidence as > irrelevant, since it does not fit my theory. > > Yours, > James D. Gray > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:09:38 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Re: books Message-ID: <00b001c08ab5$cfb2f760$09e8b094@sandyada> >Heros & Aeroplanes of the Great War 1914-1918, by Joseph A. Phelan? Great drawings and stories. First saw it as a kid and loved it. Still do. the cover has fantastic artwork of Comic Camels attacking a German heavy in the black night sky - wonderful. You have to take some of the colours with a pinch of salt though in the light of later research. >Camoflage '14-18 Aircraft, by O.G.Thetford? This is a nice little booklet dating from late 40's and has nice colour illustrations. It was OGT's first publication and I have (had?) his own copy. They re-used all the material in the later Harleyford Colours and Comouflage books and much has since been superseeded anyway. More for the book enthusiast than modeller. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:14:59 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: RE: Your fav Message-ID: <00af01c08ab5$ce294a20$09e8b094@sandyada> >Nieuport 28 that I am going to do as the "Flying Fish" if I can find ... Hi Jack IIRC was this not a 27? I might well be wrong without refs here - but if I'm right you may be seeing too many tart's boudoir schemes on Hunmobiles. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:20:08 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Your fav Message-ID: You're right Sandy, if it had been a 28, I'd have done it;-) /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Adam [mailto:cbbs@almac.co.uk] > Sent: den 30 januari 2001 13:21 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Your fav > > > >Nieuport 28 that I am going to do as the "Flying Fish" if I > can find ... > > Hi Jack > IIRC was this not a 27? I might well be wrong without refs > here - but if I'm > right you may be seeing too many tart's boudoir schemes on Hunmobiles. > > Sandy > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:53:06 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: books Message-ID: <200101300753_MC2-C390-4D8C@compuserve.com> TP, I have Heros and Aeroplanes. It has interesting text, photos and watercolor painting of many aircraft. It's an old book so the colors and up to date material will not be there. What I do like is the author has group together many planes of a manufacturer, Sopwith comes to mind, on one page. The author has put a good deal of work into the book and for its time, was a good book. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.nbci.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 1/19/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:02:08 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Your fav Message-ID: >Shane wrote: > >Incidentally, I think that the reason that *I* (purely personally) prefer >other aircraft over the streamlined ones is that I find "eye candy" types >sweet but with no usefull dietary value and no obvious flavour > This explains my fasincation for anything with a boom and four miles of rigging. . . extra roughage!! MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:06:42 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Groundwork musings (Figures) Message-ID: Actually Dave, I think I've seen the Model Cellar set for the british infantry. Plastic palace up the road had a small box in but won't let me open it up and have a recce yet. And thanks for slapping me up side the head (Newfoundland expression) I'd forgotten totally about casting my own stuff. This project just got a little bit more manageable I think. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:28:34 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Your fav Message-ID: Seems to me, that what you like best, and what you build don't have to be the same. I looked at my list, and saw that apart from the Spad's I hadn't built any of them. A bit like food. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson [mailto:mvj@thetelegram.com] > Sent: den 30 januari 2001 14:26 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Your fav > > > >Shane wrote: > > > >Incidentally, I think that the reason that *I* (purely > personally) prefer > >other aircraft over the streamlined ones is that I find "eye > candy" types > >sweet but with no usefull dietary value and no obvious flavour > > > This explains my fasincation for anything with a boom and > four miles of > rigging. . . extra roughage!! > > MVJ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:30:30 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Tauben from Ludemann-Resins Message-ID: <200101301330.OAA84927@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, Just go a copy of Modell-Fan 2001-1, Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr advert lists 1/72 Lüdemann-Resins at 29.95DEM: Etrich Taube IV (1910) Etrich-Rumpler Taube (1912) Jeanin-Stahltaube (1914) Gotha-Taube "Feiner geht`s nicht! Sogar mit Speichenräder!" (Best there is! Even with spoked wheels!) Has someone on the list seen these kits so they can confirm the claim above? Think the man behind Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr is Dietlev Schorsch who produced the Classic Plane vacuforms. Have bought both Czech resins and other items from this outfit, took some time until I got the kits, but they did not charge my card until the parcel was in the mail. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:35:53 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Groundwork musings (Figures) Message-ID: <01da01c08ac1$91bd5700$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Fort Duquesne does an excellent set of 1/35 WW1 german sturmtruppen equipment. I forgot about it yesterday. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Groundwork musings (Figures) > Actually Dave, I think I've seen the Model Cellar set for the british infantry. > > Plastic palace up the road had a small box in but won't let me open it up > and have a recce yet. > > And thanks for slapping me up side the head (Newfoundland expression) I'd > forgotten totally about casting my own stuff. > > This project just got a little bit more manageable I think. > > > MVJ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:13:24 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Groundwork musings (Figures) Message-ID: <200101301413.GAA07299@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:53:38 -0500 (EST), dfernet0 wrote: > Fort Duquesne does an excellent set of 1/35 WW1 german sturmtruppen > equipment. I forgot about it yesterday. As mastered by Herr Hustad. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:14:36 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: WWI Subject: Roden gotha review Message-ID: <3A76CC4C.64072B6F@bg.am.lodz.pl> Hi All weekend I spent with this beautiful kit. You have seen spruces on roden site. I can only show you bigger scans in my review for Polish modelers site on http://www.modelarstwo.org.pl/lotnicze/zestaw/roden/gotha_72/index.html When I started to examine this kit I had found that there are all parts you need to build G.II and G.III and many for future release G.V. And some of them suggests that G.IV is also possible. New fuselage and lower wings. That is all what you need for G.V . Probably roden can add new tail section for G.Vb. Spruces have very little flash and there are sink marks on fuselage, but details are OK. Delicate ribs recessed on upper and engraved on lower surfaces of wings. Decals could be better, esspecially Gotha logo. But this is great to have this kit. This will be my first WWI bomber. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3026 **********************