WWI Digest 3022 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Your fav by Al Superczynski 2) Re: Your fav by Ernest Thomas 3) Re: Your fav by "Steven M.Perry" 4) Re: Your fav by Suvoroff@aol.com 5) Re: Sierra Models by "Bob Pearson" 6) Re: Your fav by Ernest Thomas 7) Re: Request for metal color =?ISO-8859-1?Q?formul=E6=3B?= w by Dennis Ugulano 8) Re: Sierra Models by Suvoroff@aol.com 9) Re: Research Quirks by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Your fav by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: Your fav by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Your fav by Dennis Ugulano 13) RE: Research Quirks by "David Vosburgh" 14) Re: Your fav by "aa8." 15) : Your Fav, post SEND by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 16) Re: Sierra Models by "Dale Sebring" 17) RE: Your fav by "Ray Boorman" 18) Re: Your fav by NodalPoint@aol.com 19) Re: Research Quirks by Lee 20) Re: Your fav by Lee 21) Re: Research Quirks by "TOM PLESHA" 22) RE: WWI digest 3021 by "Nigel Rayner" 23) Re: And now for something completely different by Russell W Niles 24) RE: SAM Feb 2001 by Shane Weier 25) RE: MvR's Death by Shane Weier 26) RE: Dale M. Titler: THE DAY THE RED BARON DIED... by Shane Weier 27) RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup by Shane Weier 28) RE: OOOPS by Shane Weier 29) RE: Sierra Models by Shane Weier 30) Re: Your Fav(s) by "Brad & Merville" 31) RE: Your fav by "cameron rile" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:58:05 -0600 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:43:01 -0500 (EST), Shane wrote: >...a significant number of Nieuport 28's for the Yanks... Might as well add me to that list........ ;-) Al ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:05:34 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <3A7497AD.2EC8BF22@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > I *won't* look ahead, because I'll bet there'll be about a zillion votes for > the Albatros D.V , half a zillion for the Pfalzes D.III and a significant > number of Nieuport 28's for the Yanks who got told it looked good while > reading about Rickenbacker in their callow youth ;-) I too didn't look at anyone elses answers before I posted my choices. Not at all surprised by all the D-V', and pfalz votes. I expect the N.28 to win in the end(is anyone keeping score?)(and No Shane, no one told me it looked good when I was a callow kid. I could see it with my own callow eyes). And I'm surprised more people haven't listed the Pup or Taube. But it's still early in the election. Anything could happen. And as a precautionary measure, I've already sent the N.28 lawyers to Florida. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:17:33 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <000b01c08978$1d64ccc0$e2f0aec7@default> (is anyone keeping score?) Anything could happen. And > as a precautionary measure, I've already sent the N.28 lawyers to > Florida. > E. I've been saving all the replies in a folder, but I'll be dipped if I'm gonna count 'em ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:28:23 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: In no particular order; SPAD VII SPAD XIII SPAD XI SPAD XVI Biff SE5a Albatros D.III Albatros D.V Albatros C.X (best looking two-seater, either side) Pfalz D.III Ugliest plane of the war; any Nieuport heavy bomber. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:27:13 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Models Message-ID: <200101282343.PAA04128@mail.rapidnet.net> Robert, You can't send enclosures to the list .. they just appear as code. To send a list, paste it into the body of an email message. Bob ---------- LOTSA SNIPPAGE _________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:30:49 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <3A749D99.320FE61F@bellsouth.net> "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > I've been saving all the replies in a folder, but I'll be dipped if I'm > gonna count 'em ;-) Don't worry, I'm sure the surpreme court will spare you from that chore. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:29:36 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Request for metal color =?ISO-8859-1?Q?formul=E6=3B?= w Message-ID: <200101281729_MC2-C367-BE4A@compuserve.com> Jack, I second everything you said about SnJ. I have used it from the very beginning of its production. >> HTH, and I am in no way affiliated with this company :-)! << Neither am I but I know Scott Bell personally and I have the privilege of buying the first pre-production bottle of SnJ. He said he didn't cash my check because it didn't clear the bank. That was in 1983 and he says he is still trying. but I still like him and his product. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.nbci.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 1/19/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:30:26 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Models Message-ID: John Impenna; Please don't leave the entire Digest quoted in your message; especially for those of us with older computers, it adds considerably to the download time. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:30:22 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Research Quirks Message-ID: <200101282349.PAA04320@mail.rapidnet.net> The corollary to this is that right AFTER you have published an extensively researched piece and exhausted all of your known sources someone contacts you and says .. "Oh, by the way are you interested in XYZABC, because I have . . . ." Bob ---------- >From: "David Vosburgh" > Does anyone know if there is an actual name for the phenomenon which causes > any particular > photo or bit of research material you're looking for to be at the very > bottom of a stack > of, say, 30 issues of WW1 Aero? > > I can't count how many times I've found this to be the case. I've tried > starting at the > bottom of the stack and working my way up, but then of course it happens in > reverse. > > DV ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:34:43 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <200101282349.PAA04327@mail.rapidnet.net> Felixstowes Sopwith Triplane Sopwith Dolphin Pfalz D.III/IIIa Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:39:36 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <18.80f81df.27a5f9a8@aol.com> In a message dated 1/28/01 2:07:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << And I'm surprised more people haven't listed the Pup or Taube. >> Allrighty- Taube...but it's number two after the Pfalz D.XII- not so much an airplane as a piece of kinetic sculpture. Pup? I love Sopwith's, because they're so chunky/flat/architectural and "slabby"....not to the extent of those flying boxes of the BE family (which I truly love) but, still.......... RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:39:14 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <200101281739_MC2-C363-A101@compuserve.com> To break the pattern here, I'm going to go with the Lohner L Seaplane as my favorite. Delicate, elegant, an almost butterfly type of beauty. I am prone to seaplanes and I think the offerings of the Italians and Austro-Hungarians are as pleasing to the eye as an airplane can get. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.nbci.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 1/19/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:46:08 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: RE: Research Quirks Message-ID: <001901c0897c$1b9259e0$43d690d0@Pvosburg> RK writes: <> In your case I guess the dwarves must do it in the dead of night to get back at you for overworking them! :-) DV NB: CSM Swallow NU: Umm... a seaplane of some sort, I think... NL: Annie Lenox "Medusa" ND: Red Hook ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:32:29 -0000 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <001901c0897a$531e8b60$89183c3e@tinypc> My all time favourite is the LVG C.VI. I just love everything about it. On wet afternoons I just go to Shuttleworth and stand in the WW1 hangar there and just stare and sniff--the smell of dope, castor oil and wood is wonderful. As far as the Nieuport 28 is concerned I loved the one they had for a while. It must have been the noisiest aircraft of all time. The first time they fired up the Gnome engine a mechanic with a dB meter recorded a higher reading than the Spitfire's Merlin standing next to it. I've got some great pictures I took of it in the air. Andy Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven M.Perry To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Your fav > (is anyone keeping score?) > Anything could happen. And > > as a precautionary measure, I've already sent the N.28 lawyers to > > Florida. > > E. > > I've been saving all the replies in a folder, but I'll be dipped if I'm > gonna count 'em ;-) > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:01:04 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: : Your Fav, post SEND Message-ID: <003c01c0897e$8e320020$c52c57d8@unionrai> What, to you, is the most asthetically pleasing OT airplane? Great question; most graceful lines would have to be the French - probably the Nieuport 28 due to the rounded wing tips, tail, cowling and fuselage shapes. Favorite (non-asthetic): British - FE2b & Vicker Gun Bus, I like the Union Jacks under the wings on the first schemes (we need 1/48 of the Gun Bus) German - Halberstadt fighters DII and DIII AH - Albatros DIII OEF & HB DI Star Strutter - due to the unique schemes available for both a/c French - SPAD VII due to the numerous schemes available (need a 1/48th model don't we) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:05:03 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Sierra Models Message-ID: <002401c0897e$c0329940$a4b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Sierra Models > Robert, > > You can't send enclosures to the list .. they just appear as code. To send a > list, paste it into the body of an email message. > > Bob Thank you Bob, I did'nt know what happened. :-) Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:10:51 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Your fav Message-ID: Darn, sheesh not easy. For the next 5 mins, Felixstowe F2a DH5 - Yup I really love this one. Sopwith Dolphin Sopwith Triplane (who needs gaudy copies when you can have the original) Bristol F2B Bristol Scout Bristol M1c Vickers Vimy. Junkers J1 and Junkers J9/D1 Give me 30 mins to think of more and I could fill the page. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:33:23 EST From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <9.10474c9d.27a60643@aol.com> << > What, to you, is the most aesthetically pleasing OT airplane? >> 1. Fokker Dr.1 (Two big thumbs way up!) and some of the rest... 2. Sopwith Baby (I think its something I'd like to fly) 3. Hansa-Brandenburg W.29 (Looks good to me) 4. D.H. 2 (Love all that rigging) 5. Albatros DIII (Of course) 5. Pfalz D III (Same as above) 6. Spad XIII (It looks like a fighter) 7. Fokker VIIII 8. Roland CII (Great struts) 9. SE 5a 10. Albatros W.4 Just what's on my mind at the moment. I like 'em all Especially the seaplanes. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:03:28 -0600 From: Lee To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Research Quirks Message-ID: <3A74B350.1060909@x25.net> I believe it is called Chronicenditits. It means everthing is on the other end, even if you start in thre middle and go one each way as you check. I always laughed when some one would say "It will be in the last place you look". Of course it will. That means you found it. The only known cure for Chronicenditis. Lee M. KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/28/01 12:52:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, > dave@vga-graphics.com writes: > > << Does anyone know if there is an actual name for the phenomenon which > causes any particular > photo or bit of research material you're looking for to be at the very > bottom of a stack > of, say, 30 issues of WW1 Aero? >> > > Yes, it's called "RK's Life" > RK > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:09:02 -0600 From: Lee To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Your fav Message-ID: <3A74B49E.2070708@x25.net> Albatross D-Va. It always looks as if it has some place to go and it is ready to leave. Lee M. NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > > << > What, to you, is the most aesthetically pleasing OT airplane? >> > > > 1. Fokker Dr.1 (Two big thumbs way up!) > > and some of the rest... > > 2. Sopwith Baby (I think its something I'd like to fly) > 3. Hansa-Brandenburg W.29 (Looks good to me) > 4. D.H. 2 (Love all that rigging) > 5. Albatros DIII (Of course) > 5. Pfalz D III (Same as above) > 6. Spad XIII (It looks like a fighter) > 7. Fokker VIIII > 8. Roland CII (Great struts) > 9. SE 5a > 10. Albatros W.4 > > Just what's on my mind at the moment. I like 'em all Especially the seaplanes. > > Steve > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:12:10 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Research Quirks Message-ID: <002a01c08988$20462780$3a434c0c@tom> YES! It is called "Tom's Law", which states that Murphy's Law and Murphy are Optomistic. TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Vosburgh" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Research Quirks > Does anyone know if there is an actual name for the phenomenon which causes any particular > photo or bit of research material you're looking for to be at the very bottom of a stack > of, say, 30 issues of WW1 Aero? > > I can't count how many times I've found this to be the case. I've tried starting at the > bottom of the stack and working my way up, but then of course it happens in reverse. > > DV > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:53:31 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: WWI digest 3021 Message-ID: <000001c0898d$e63faa60$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Ernest wrote (in response to Michael): >Michael Kendix wrote: > > > > BE2a/b/c/e etc. series. Also BE12a/b > >You're just saying that to be funny, right? I'm with you on that E (I'm building a BE2e at the moment). But you know what they say - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And it's a good thing that someone thinks there is merit in a BE. I suspect if we were to compare ourselves to planes, most of us on the list would be in the BE category rather than the Pfalz DIII category........ Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:32:12 -0800 From: Russell W Niles To: GRBroman@aol.com Cc: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: And now for something completely different Message-ID: <20010128.165716.-360613.0.r_niles1@juno.com> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:41:30 -0500 (EST) GRBroman@aol.com writes: > If anyone is contemplating building this, let me know. I can send > you an article I wrote on the buildup. It's a stunning model when done, > but it can be a bit of a challenge. Hopefully someone can learn from my > mistakes. > Glen > Glen I believe that I have this in my box of WW1 stuff. So, I would be interested in seeing your article. Thanks Russ Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missiles....switching to guns. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:07:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: SAM Feb 2001 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AEA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil says: > > > > > > Is that Scale Aviation Modeller International? > > > > > > > Nope, Scale Aircraft Modelling - the original one !! > > > Ah, Ray Rimells old mag, those were the days! Say what? I thought RLR was editor of Scale Models (Now Scale Models International) and Alan Hall was editor of SAM back in the good ole days Can't recall RLR as ever having an official capacity with SAM, though he was a writer, then associate editer under Ron Moulton on SM Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:22:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: MvR's Death Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AEB@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lance says: > Hardcore devotees of Manfred's demise should avail themselves > of these issues; if anyone has interest, LMK and I will > search these out over the weekend and reply on Monday. I highly recommend Norman Franks and Alan Bennets "The Red Baron's Last Flight - A mystery investigated" They deal exhaustively with every known source and include discussion of such furphies as the holes in the seat, allegations that he was murdered on the ground etc. FWIW it includes good stuff like an exact description of the path of the bullet. Read it THEN decide for yourself Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:17:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Dale M. Titler: THE DAY THE RED BARON DIED... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AEC@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Gaston reports: > 1) There was more than just one bullet hitting him since > another bullet hit his boots His boots are in the AWM. Bloodstained but hole free. The blood came from his other wounds. FWIW. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:21:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AED@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Len, > > Its people like Shane the Elder, Cam, Len Smith, Bob Pearson (who > > figuratively lives just up the road in Canuck miles) and > > many others who > > have added to this balance. (snip) > I'm not too sure that I like the idea of being part of a > balance. You have nothing to worry about old mate. I suspect he's seen my photo and is envisioning a see-saw sort of contraption with me at one end and you, Cam, and Bob perilously balanced on the other. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:47:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: OOOPS Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AF0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom says: > Nigel - I'm a urologist....... ...and suddenly his springs get a lot less interesting. But the models, are (of course) wonderfull Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:53:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sierra Models Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AF1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP says: > > If you doubt me, take a look at John Huggins' *1/72nd* CM Salmson. > > Seen it and cringed. I don't recommend resin wings be > subjected to temps > above room temperature for any longer than necessary. Temp in my modelling room at 5:30 pm yesterday was 98F (thank God it was cooling down ;-) Apparently it's necessary for me to put up with that for about 12 weeks at this time of year, so I'm somewhat frightened to build any of the resin kits I have on hand. Has anyone *not* living in airconditioned splendour had long term experience with WW1 thin section resin wings of any scale and willing to spread the story? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:08:54 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Your Fav(s) Message-ID: <008b01c089a0$d0d3fba0$25895ad1@default> SE5a business-like yet elegant. HP 0/400 elegant yet business-like. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:37:42 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Your fav Message-ID: >Bristol Fighter - powerfull, balanced, deadly, >clearly intended as a killing machine and >looking like that. Just re-read Williams's autobiography, definately his favourite aircraft, he doesnt think much of the SE5a in comparison to the Biff. When the Gift scheme was mentioned, Williams was in London trying to get Biff's for the AAC/AAF/RAAF. Unfortunately the RAF didnt want to give up even 1 hundred of them. Some of Williams's quotes; "The two-seater fighter, provided it has necessary performance is a much better fighter than the single seater. It is not confined to a particular type of approach to the enemy when attacking and this was the reason for using the Bristol Fighters rather than SE5a's" Interestingly many of the 1 AFC CITARs start with the observer firing first over the top wing at the EA as the Biff attacked. "Actually we had overheating troubles with the engines in the SE5a's and had to fit them with special oil radiators, but the Rolls Royce could be blown full out and climbed hard for over twenty minutes without any overheating." Funny story with Williams too, he had a sore on his forehead the size of a 50c piece (Silver Dollar coin size to the Americans. ) that was all lumpy and fatty, an Indian Doctor gave him 'Iodoform' to treat. Alan Murray Jones, later CO of 2 AFC, and a chemist pre-war, came into the mess and smelt the Iodoform and exclaimed, "Who has syphilis - I can smell Iodoform.". Williams threw away the treatment that night. roflmgo. Bristol Fighter for me too. Also fascinated by the DH5 and Martinsyde G.100/102. cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ps : Sorry Michael, I keep trying to spell your name your way but am sure Michaels are Micheals in Australia. It is like centre and center I get confused now and forget which one was the Australian way. Most Micheals I knew in Australia were called 'Micko' anyway. ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3022 **********************