WWI Digest 3017 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: FMP Imperial Russian Air Service Book by Todd Hayes 2) Re: Academy 1/32 Ni17: Nungesser Markings by "Steven M.Perry" 3) Off Topic Intro... by "Leonard Endy" 4) Re: FMP Victoria Cross by "cameron rile" 5) Re: Off Topic Intro... by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 6) Re: FMP Austro-Hungarian Aircraft by Marc Flake 7) Re: HR model MoS H (and G) by Marc Flake 8) New nifty and cheap almost OT acquisitions by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 9) Re: MoS by "Matt Bittner" 10) Re: HR model MoS H (and G) by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: Off Topic Intro... by "Richard Eaton" 12) RE: Off Topic Intro... by "Gaston Graf" 13) RE: Sopwith and Giants cookup by "Gaston Graf" 14) Congratulationsto Leonard, and Welcome Back Shane!!!!!! by "The Shannons" 15) RE: Congratulationsto Leonard, and Welcome Back Shane!!!!!! by "Ray Boorman" 16) RE: And Proud of It!! - John Porte by "Ray Boorman" 17) Re: Off Topic Intro... by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: SAM Feb 2001 by KarrArt@aol.com 19) London Calling.... by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: S.V.A. - 5 kits by "Alberto Casirati" 21) RE: London Calling.... by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 22) RE: London Calling.... by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 23) Sniffing the air... by Suvoroff@aol.com 24) Re: Sniffing the air... by "Bob Pearson" 25) RE: OOOPS He Did It Again, More Tom Morgan On Hyperscale by "Nigel Rayner" 26) Re: Sniffing the air... by "Steven M.Perry" 27) Re: London Calling.... by "Michael Kendix" 28) Re: Rumpler Internal Designations by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:43:33 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FMP Imperial Russian Air Service Book Message-ID: <20010127024334.20742.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Craig, Have you tried Sopwith Hobbies? Todd --- Craig Gavin wrote: > With all the discussion of the FMP books, I thought > I'd pass along that The > Scholar's Bookself at www.scholarsbookshelf.com has > the Imperial Russian Air > Service Book (item #5WH2J) shown in their most > recent mail flyer on sale for > $49.95. Great book at what appears to be a great > price. I don't have any > connection with these folks but have done business > with them before and > found their service good. They all list for phone > oder the following > number: (609) 395-6933. - Craig Gavin Ý > > P.S. I've been trying to no avail to find the > Austro-Hungarian Army > Aircraft book by FMP. I've tried all the sites on > the web, bot for books > and hobby items. Hard to believe no one has one of > these still for sale. > If any one knows of a source, especially at perhaps > your local hobby shop, > plase let me know. I'll see that my first > grandchild is named after you. > TIA. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:51:03 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Academy 1/32 Ni17: Nungesser Markings Message-ID: <005101c0880b$fd6a6500$1af9aec7@default> > Lance is right about Nungesser using N 1895 on several aircraft. It appears > that all of his aluminum Nieuports used this number, including N.17, N.17bis > & N.25. > Dave Calhoun Maybe 1895 was his birth year or held some other significance to him.. Not to suggest that he was supersticious, what with that emblem of his and all. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:26:13 -0500 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Off Topic Intro... Message-ID: Sorry, couldn't contain the exitement... My second grandchild made her appearance today.. Emily's stats: Wingspan: 20 1/4 inches Overall weight: 7 lbs, 12 oz. Mom and Dad are fine and Grandmom and Grandpop are over the moon ! Len Endy (Who must wade through 200 + messages since I was out of town the last 24 hours) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:29:32 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FMP Victoria Cross Message-ID: <281B33BABF3F4D115AF50005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Bob wrote; >The one I painted. . and that is on my >business cards. Cool. The invoices from the work I do on the side is adorned with the AFC Army patch, a triangle in sky blue, royal blue sepearted by thin red stripes. A pic of the badge is at; http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/afc_organization_afc_armybadge.htm Every AIF Army unit had a colour shoulder patch. That was the AFC's. You can spot it on the uniforms of AFC members in uniform if you look hard enough. As to the FMP VC book, I really like how every aircraft is identified, has a photo and a profile. The text is somewhat secondary. It was $20 very well spent. cam Australian Flying Corps - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:32:41 -0800 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off Topic Intro... Message-ID: <3A734C89.5622C97D@tac.com.au> Leonard Endy wrote: > > Sorry, couldn't contain the exitement... > > My second grandchild made her appearance today.. > > Emily's stats: > > Wingspan: 20 1/4 inches > Overall weight: 7 lbs, 12 oz. > > Mom and Dad are fine and Grandmom and Grandpop are over the moon ! > > Len Endy > (Who must wade through 200 + messages since I was out of town the last > 24 hours) Congrats Anyway, that's not off topic - afterall she'll be a modeller later on, won't she ;-)) Lorna & Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:31:54 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FMP Austro-Hungarian Aircraft Message-ID: <3A724129.69A2@airmail.net> Craig: Mike at Lone Star MOdels had a volume on display at the Nationals in July and at the Fort Worth show in August. I think he was asking about $100 for it. He doesn't list books on his site, so you'll have to ask him via e-mail. www.lonestarmodels.com Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:37:07 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HR model MoS H (and G) Message-ID: <3A724263.7CA7@airmail.net> Anyone who decides to tackle these kits needs to know one thing. Be sure to attach the "cheeks" on the forward fuselage before attaching the wings. I put the wings on first and I got debonder ALL over the place trying to correct my mistake. Other than that, the kit went together well. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:48:27 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New nifty and cheap almost OT acquisitions Message-ID: old KOVOSAVODY PROSTEJOV kit; 1/72 scale, Letov S.16 (1925 all metal biplane) ibid; 1/72, Letov s.328 - which kind of reminds me of a Swordfish bipe. Now, if only some pretty, blonde-haired, blue-eyed svelt Czech babe could come over . . . to help me read the Czech instructions, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:50:50 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: MoS Message-ID: <200101270350.TAA18568@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:29:33 -0500 (EST), Morg17ms@aol.com wrote: > Matt - I'm flattered that you liked the MoS - it was my second WW I a/c and > the first time that I'd converted/scratched anything of note. It hooked me!! > The details are from the WindSock Data File No 58, and some photos in > "Imperial Russian Air Service" from Flying Machines Press. There is a great > cockpit photo in Windsock International V 2, N 1 and repeated again in V 11, > N 5. Thanks! > The springs are made from fine diameter surgical guide wire. It comes in > various diameters (0.025" and 0.038" are the commonest I use) and about 4' > long. It is very fine steel spring that we use to guide fine tubes into > (never mind). I just bring it home (it disposible) and sterilize it. I > usually have access to a couple of yards a week and everyone in my IPMS > chapter has miles of it. The WW II and later guys use it for oxygen tubing > and landing gear struff, etc. Now that I know more about WW I a/c, I > suspect the skiis were rigged with a bungee type cord and not actual springs. Do you think they would work in 1/72nd? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:54:13 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: HR model MoS H (and G) Message-ID: <200101270354.TAA01002@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:41:36 -0500 (EST), Marc Flake wrote: > Anyone who decides to tackle these kits needs to know one thing. > > Be sure to attach the "cheeks" on the forward fuselage before attaching > the wings. > > I put the wings on first and I got debonder ALL over the place trying to > correct my mistake. Other than that, the kit went together well. Even in light of all your recent updates :-) will we be seeing the MoS' as well? I sure hope so!! You're far too German-sided on your pages. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:07:18 -0600 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: Off Topic Intro... Message-ID: <005501c08816$c6fb7440$b5441c18@austin.rr.com> Congratulations Len, You look to young to have two grandchildren! Regards, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonard Endy" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Off Topic Intro... > Sorry, couldn't contain the exitement... > > My second grandchild made her appearance today.. > > Emily's stats: > > Wingspan: 20 1/4 inches > Overall weight: 7 lbs, 12 oz. > > Mom and Dad are fine and Grandmom and Grandpop are over the moon ! > > Len Endy > (Who must wade through 200 + messages since I was out of town the last > 24 hours) > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 05:07:22 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Off Topic Intro... Message-ID: My congratulations Mr. Grandpop! I bet it makes you feel like the day your kids was born to see your little grandchild now. That's the stuff that keeps you young forever. All the best! >From a dad who does not dare to think of his grandchildren yet ;o). Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Leonard Endy > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 4:31 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Off Topic Intro... > > > Sorry, couldn't contain the exitement... > > My second grandchild made her appearance today.. > > Emily's stats: > > Wingspan: 20 1/4 inches > Overall weight: 7 lbs, 12 oz. > > Mom and Dad are fine and Grandmom and Grandpop are over the moon ! > > Len Endy > (Who must wade through 200 + messages since I was out of town the last > 24 hours) > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 05:10:26 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith and Giants cookup Message-ID: Not just a simple marriage - it's a wonderful family! Only sometimes it reminds me a bit of Al Bundy.... Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Brent Theobald > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:58 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Sopwith and Giants cookup > > > Howdy! > > I am glad to see this. Welcome back! > > Today I was thinking that the list is like a good marriage. Much > more better > than worse. > > Later! > > Brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins [mailto:sljenkins@tac.com.au] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Sopwith and Giants cookup > > > Hi gang > > We're back! > > Thanks to all those people who sent messages encouraging us to stay. > > I suppose we're back on the cookup lists too. Put me down for a Sopwith > Triplane please Cam ;-) > > Lorna and Shane the Younger > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:23:31 -0600 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Congratulationsto Leonard, and Welcome Back Shane!!!!!! Message-ID: <005101c08818$ea00fda0$bcaa343f@shark> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C087E6.9CF36AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, that's about it, as far as content. It's wonderful news about another little modeler to be, just make sure = her crib mobils have biplanes. And Shane, sorry that there was such a dust up, but glad you want to = stay with us and came back. .Mark. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C087E6.9CF36AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C087E6.9CF36AC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:37:33 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Congratulationsto Leonard, and Welcome Back Shane!!!!!! Message-ID: Hey Len congratulations, does the timing of her birth make her a Sopwith baby ;) Shane and Lorna, hehe welcome back nothing like having more people to taunt the list about Vegemite..... ;) Oh and to a certain Len Smith, I do so know how to spell humour;) nf (now fondling --- Much better than building btw) An Azur Cierva C.30 (ot but neat) and the Aeroclub BE2c wow is all I have to say. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:42:54 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! - John Porte Message-ID: Well it will teach me to open my mouth at work when I'm miles away from references. The sub-contractors for Felixstowes were; Aircraft Manufacturing Co SE Saunders May Harden and May And the Curtis Aeroplane Co There were others notably Norman Thompson but not Pemberton Billings (aka Supermarine) lol that'll learn me. Engage brain before engaging mouth ;) Now on to something more interesting than my memory screw up, as Neil pointed out John Porte designed the Felixstowes. Which started as modifications to Curtis flying boats but ended up as pretty much completely redesigned and remanufactured aircraft. The story behind the designer is very interesting though. He was invalided out of the Royal Navy in 1911, with an illness that would in the end along with the stress of later years kill him. He went to America, became involved with Glen Curtis and did some experimental flying of the large Curtis Flying Boats. Once war was declared he immediately returned to England and re-enlisted in the Navy. During 1914 he become the commanding officer of the Felixstowe naval station. At this time Porte signed a letter to his solicitor handing over control of any shares and interests he might have in the Curtis Aircraft co for the duration of his service. This was publicly done with the knowledge of the Admiralty. During the next 3 years Porte was responsible for commanding Felixstowe station, refining the large Curtis flying boats and eventually building designing an aircraft that became a type all its own. He was also very much responsible for championing and developing the role of the large flying boat, as used by the RNAS. During this time he flew operationally and flew many of the development flights of the Felixstowe prototypes. All the while still a very sick man who knew he was shortening his life. Then in 1917 he was charged with receiving commissions from the sale of Curtis flying Boats to the navy. He stood trial although the Attorney General dropped all charges against Porte. However only after he had suffered a sever hemorrhage in the dock and collapsed. For the rest of the war Porte continued his pioneering work and his leadership. in October 1919 John Porte Died at age 36. The previous is only a small part of John Portes story, but its quite sad that we remember Sopwith, hawker, Fokker and others yet Porte is largely unknown even though it can be argued that he gave as much as any man to his country even when he really could have stood aside, lived far longer and no one would have thought any less of him. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:00:56 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off Topic Intro... Message-ID: <8c.19c3229.27a3be18@aol.com> In a message dated 1/26/01 7:28:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, lfendy@firstsaga.com writes: << Sorry, couldn't contain the exitement... My second grandchild made her appearance today.. Emily's stats: Wingspan: 20 1/4 inches Overall weight: 7 lbs, 12 oz. Mom and Dad are fine and Grandmom and Grandpop are over the moon ! Len Endy >> Flying high! Great to hear! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:00:58 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAM Feb 2001 Message-ID: <55.10646998.27a3be1a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/26/01 2:12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, jan.vihonen@helsinki.fi writes: << If you're aquainted with this book- could you say if it's worth > the time and money to get the magazine article? > Thanks > RK Yes, I would go for it. There are lots of inspiring colour profiles there, and if you buy also the next issue with the errata, you'll be pretty well equipped. ;-) >> Thanks! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:40:56 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: The List Subject: London Calling.... Message-ID: <3A727B86.53E8CEFB@bellsouth.net> Ok, actually, it's more like me Calling London. A friend is going to London in April He's got Hannants on his agenda, but he want's to know if there's any other good shops where he might find a bunch of oop 1/72 OT kits. Would any of Her Majesty's Subjects be able to offer any advice? And I've been busy all week, but I just now had a chance to look at Laskodi's LCT, and Tom's E-V, and Graham's Bristol, or was it Tom's Bristol and Graham's E-V? VEry nice work everybody. That Bristol makes me want to get one. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:05:23 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Re: S.V.A. - 5 kits Message-ID: <002201c08838$1acc0be0$1f18623e@s> On the 26 January 2001 Brian Nicklas wrote: >>> Does anyone know of any others in the small scale ? >> In resin, Choroszy Modelbud. >> Matt Bittner > I believe this was reviewed in the recent Windsock Magazine. > Are you going to compare/contrast them all for us Alberto? > Brian It is easily said, Brian: the kits Matt referred to (by Choroszy Modelbud) are the best. But they are resin and I personally don't like that kind of media. Amongst those in plastic, although it may seem strange, the old Airframe is still the best in my view, as its fuselage is better than the one of the other two. What about a new SVA-5, Eduard ? Sierra ? Roden ? If you need references just ask !!!! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:11:39 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: London Calling.... Message-ID: Not so much on kits - but both the Aviation Bookshop (656 Holloway Road, nearest tube: Archway, then down the road) and Motorbooks (St. Martins Court, thatīs a small side street (actually a pedestrian zone) of Charing Cross Road, not far from Leicester square - IIRC thatīs also the tube station that brings you there -are more than worth a visit. Thereīs a great pub just next to motorbooks as well. Foyles ainīt bad either, they claim theyīre the biggest bookshop in the world, and have a good military & aviation selection. Too, Charing Cross Road hosts a number of bargain bookshops, where you sometime can find some real treasures (eh - bargains). -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Ernest Thomas Sent: 27 January 2001 14:43 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: London Calling.... Ok, actually, it's more like me Calling London. A friend is going to London in April He's got Hannants on his agenda, but he want's to know if there's any other good shops where he might find a bunch of oop 1/72 OT kits. Would any of Her Majesty's Subjects be able to offer any advice? And I've been busy all week, but I just now had a chance to look at Laskodi's LCT, and Tom's E-V, and Graham's Bristol, or was it Tom's Bristol and Graham's E-V? VEry nice work everybody. That Bristol makes me want to get one. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:16:01 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: London Calling.... Message-ID: I obviously forgot the best of them all (at least until a few years ago - wasnīt there for quite some time): Tony James alias Tee Jay - I think he also has advertisments in WS. For example, he had some quite acceptable (in my exes) prices on the 504 a few years ago. Lots of stuff one only had heard about, but never seen. The shop is on the "wrong side" of the Thames not that far from Victoria Station (but again, you have to cross one of the bridges to get there). Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Ernest Thomas Sent: 27 January 2001 14:43 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: London Calling.... Ok, actually, it's more like me Calling London. A friend is going to London in April He's got Hannants on his agenda, but he want's to know if there's any other good shops where he might find a bunch of oop 1/72 OT kits. Would any of Her Majesty's Subjects be able to offer any advice? And I've been busy all week, but I just now had a chance to look at Laskodi's LCT, and Tom's E-V, and Graham's Bristol, or was it Tom's Bristol and Graham's E-V? VEry nice work everybody. That Bristol makes me want to get one. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:21:54 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sniffing the air... Message-ID: <4b.6ac4589.27a40952@aol.com> Hmmm....A faint odor of brimstone remains, but it appears to be rapidly clearing. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 03:29:17 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sniffing the air... Message-ID: <200101271244.EAA20969@mail.rapidnet.net> James, Welcome back. Bob ---------- >From: Suvoroff@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Sniffing the air... >Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001, 3:25 am > > Hmmm....A faint odor of brimstone remains, but it appears to be rapidly > clearing. > > Yours, > James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:19:11 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: OOOPS He Did It Again, More Tom Morgan On Hyperscale Message-ID: <000001c0885b$5b13ce40$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi all, Just saw Tom's EV, which is truly amazing. I *really* am in awe of Tom's talent. Mind you, finding out that he is a surgeon helps understand his skill! How about this Tom - combine surgery and WWI modelling into a new business venture. Graft your favourite WWI model on to any body part. Might help E attract the chicks (is that a Fokker in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me.....). Mind you, Michael Jackson couldn't look any weirder, even with a Zeppelin Staaken grafted on to his head. Sorry for lowering the tone, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:51:38 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Sniffing the air... Message-ID: <000701c0885f$e420cf40$41f9aec7@default> > Hmmm....A faint odor of brimstone remains, but it appears to be rapidly > clearing. Welcome back James! What you building these days? sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:00:16 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: London Calling.... Message-ID: >From: Ernest Thomas >Ok, actually, it's more like me Calling London. >A friend is going to London in April He's got Hannants on his agenda, >but he want's to know if there's any other good shops where he might >find a bunch of oop 1/72 OT kits. Would any of Her Majesty's Subjects be >able to offer any advice? Comet Miniatures 44-48 Lavender Hill London SW11 5RH tel: 9:30am to 5:30pm (207) 228-3701 7:30pm to 9:30pm (208) 200-6126 I purchased a Pegasus Albatros D.I/II and a PV8 vac, and a Vimy Datafile. The prices were about comparable to Hannants. There are 2 shops next to each other. The "open" one contains a lot of sci-fi stuff but if you call ahead or just go in and ask, they'll open the other side up for you. Best to call ahead I think and let them know what you're interested in. Nearest tube is Clapham Common on the Northern (black) line - about 15-20 minutes walk. Closer is the main line station Clapham Junction (reminisce about the film "Up the Junction"). The walk from Clapham Common station is not bad as it takes you alongside "The Common". During the daytime, the area is bustling and safe but it is unwise to walk around there at night. When you're done, you get back on the tube, go about 3 stops back north up the Northern Line to Elephant & Castle and visit the Imperial War Museum. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:01:45 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rumpler Internal Designations Message-ID: <001601c08865$8326b3c0$7f01010a@jaring.my> Graham, sorry for the late answer, but a combination of server problems (as mentioned before, they call that "upgrading" over here) and a short trip away from home prvented me from answering earlier. My main source is my copy of the late Heinz Nowarras Rumpler file. He lent me that one in the late eighties. Included were photocopies of a book or factory catalogue/publication on Rumpler aircraft, with short statistics and drawings of each aircraft (not complete) and a list of the (early) designations. The 1917 change I derived from the fact that the 1917/18 Rumpler C designations were all C class biplanes and no longer monoplanes. IIRC, a second source for the Rumpler designations is Bruno Lange's "Buch der deutschen Luftfahrttechnik", which is an excellent 2part publication (especially the 2nd volume is interesting for non German speakers as well, being the photo volume). Quite hard to find by now, but really excellent. There is a newer (shorter) version of it as well, published in the "Die deutsche Luftfahrt" series ( Bernard und Graef Verlag, Koblenz), which actually might have been translated into English (some other volumes of this series were), but it is much worse, especially for the photgraphic content ( 80 % of the original gone, I would estimate). Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nash" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:16 AM Subject: RE: Rumpler Internal Designations Thanks for the clarification, Volker. Could I ask your sources? This is not so I can check your findings, merely (hah!) that it may be a resource I wish to add to my collection (if I can find it, that is). BTW. I haven't forgotten your interest in my Database. I am just doing some sorting out/cross--checking, and I will e-publish it as an RTF file (about 550kb as a zipped attachment), in the same format as Barry Ketleys' book, 'The Reference Source Guide to Military Aeroplanes 1914-1918' published by Hikoki(1992), free of charge to all interested list members:-). Uncle Sniffy -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Volker Häusler Sent: 21 January 2001 15:04 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Rumpler Internal Designations AFAIK, the Rumpler designations changed in 1917. First phase up to 1916: First Number: year Letter: Main design (no connection to the engine, eg 4A13 has a Mecedes engine, 4A14 a Benz)A=biplane, B = Biplane seaplane, C = Monoplane, D ?, E= Flying Boat, F= Monoplane Seaplane second number: individual design in above class eg: 5A2 = first Landplane Biplane design of 1915 (= Ru C I), 5A15 = 15th landplane design of 1915 (=Ru G I) Second phase 1917/1918: Letter changes to official designation, ie D for fighters (7D1 to 7D7, 8D1), C for recce/army coop a/c (eg 7C1), the last numbers now not necessarily showing subtypes only (eg, 7D6 totally different from 7D7). As I was unsubbed for a day or so (due to a "system upgrading" of my provider, I guess, I donīt know wether this information was already posted before. Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Graham Nash Sent: 21 January 2001 21:02 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Rumpler Internal Designations Thank for the response Lance :-). So far, all I can tell you is that the first number (4,5,6,7,8) defines the year (of design?) to whit: 1914=4, 1915=5, 1916=6 etc. I thought that the Letter refered to the German Military system, B=2 seater, D=1 seater, but the 7A type was not a monoplane, so you suggestion of A (for Argus?), B (for Benz), D for (Daimler/Mercedes) makes a lot of sense. The final letter may then just refer to the number of designs that year. Any more ideas anyone? Uncle Sniffy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3017 **********************