WWI Digest 3013 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Gavia news by "DAVID BURKE" 2) Thank you by "bruce simard" 3) Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown by NodalPoint@aol.com 4) Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown by Todd Hayes 5) Re: SAM Feb 2001 by Todd Hayes 6) Re: Gavia news by Todd Hayes 7) Re: Gavia news by Todd Hayes 8) Bob Pearson by "Andy-Girl" 9) Re: And now for something completely different by "Dale Sebring" 10) Airplane Reflex... by MAnde72343@aol.com 11) Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown by Todd Hayes 12) Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown by Todd Hayes 13) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: SAM Feb 2001 by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Quiet out there? by MAnde72343@aol.com 16) Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Lyle Lamboley" 18) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by MAnde72343@aol.com 19) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Bob Pearson" 20) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Brad & Merville" 21) Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown by Todd Hayes 22) For Todd Hayes: by Robert Horton 23) Re: Sikorskii S.16 Markings by "David Calhoun" 24) RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Gaston Graf" 25) Re: MoS by Morg17ms@aol.com 26) Re: Roland C-II by Rob & Sherry 27) Re: Airplane Reflex... by Craig Gavin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:28:40 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Gavia news Message-ID: <000d01c08726$8dfaba20$88ed79a5@com> > Dave, > > The Alb. D.II is by Eduard. They're doing two; early > and profi. Didn't you see the Alb.W4 also listed? > > Todd > Uhh, yeah. Sorry, I failed to point out that the only Gavia kit I'm interested in is the Scout. Indeed, the Albatri and Camel, and other stuff are Eduard. I lapsed into incomprehension. So what else is new? DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:28:47 -0500 From: "bruce simard" To: "WWI List" Subject: Thank you Message-ID: <000901c08727$1e9c2dc0$f41e8cd0@22by501> Gents, Thank you to all who responded to my request for assistance with the Starstrutter. I finally managed to dig out Marty O'Connor's book as well as the Austro-Hungarian Army a/c of WWI. (Packed away, waiting for company to decide where to send me next !) But an interesting fact for all who are interested. I assumed (wrong again !) the sworl fabric was first used on the HB DI. Apparently, this was actually used when the Albatross came out. The HB DI had the first version of this, the "Locken" painted on in large (20cm) curls. This was first applied with a mustard color on CDL wings and tail, at the request of Brumowski of course for Flik 41J. Supposedly also used in Fliks 51J,46F, and 35D. Other than the photo of Brumowski leaning on the wing of his HB DI, has anyone ever seen any other photo proof of this ? I'm not so sure mustard on a CDL background would be considered camouflage, perhaps why they adopted a green field for the DIII's ? This info comes from the above mentioned books, as well as the Americals sheet for the Bromowski distribution. At any rate, should make for an interesting scheme, Thanks again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:35:04 EST From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown Message-ID: <9c.b0ff068.27a21228@aol.com> >>This kit is now listed on the VAMP website for $15.<< Is this one of the Eduard "skeleton" models? If so, neat! I'm, sorry but what is the VAMP website? Is that a UK thing? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:49:39 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown Message-ID: <20010125234939.52404.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> That's for sure...on both counts! --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > This kit is now listed on the VAMP website for > $15. > > Just thought you might like to know. > > > > TH > > Tempting... Wrong scale, of course, but tempting... > > > DB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAM Feb 2001 Message-ID: <20010125235049.39338.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, Is that Scale Aviation Modeller International? Todd --- David Fleming wrote: > Fans of OT aircraft in slightly different markings > may like to check out > the new Scale Aircraft Modelling, which has an > article on the early > Finnish Air Force. > > ~15 OT aircraft types, including the most amazing > Fokker DVII in a 4 > colour splinter scheme. (Thulins, Albatros, DFW, > Nieuports, M5s, > Friedrichshafen, Fokkers, SPAD, Rumpler, Caudron, > Breugeuts, > Martynsides, HB seaplanes.) > > Recommended > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gavia news Message-ID: <20010125235500.53151.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, They all sound good to me, especially the Alb. D.II's. They're pictured in the Eduard 2000 Kit cat. Btw, the A/G sheets I mentioned last week have a Bristol Scout C & D on them. That Bristol will be an excellent companion for the Martinsyde S.1 kits. Now if someone would only do a Sopwith Tabloid!! Todd --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > Dave, > > > > The Alb. D.II is by Eduard. They're doing two; > early > > and profi. Didn't you see the Alb.W4 also listed? > > > > Todd > > > > Uhh, yeah. Sorry, I failed to point out that the > only Gavia kit I'm > interested in is the Scout. Indeed, the Albatri and > Camel, and other stuff > are Eduard. I lapsed into incomprehension. So what > else is new? > > > DB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:57:50 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gavia news Message-ID: <20010125235750.40228.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Dave or Anyone, Is there much of a difference between the Bristol C and D? Todd --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > Dave, > > > > The Alb. D.II is by Eduard. They're doing two; > early > > and profi. Didn't you see the Alb.W4 also listed? > > > > Todd > > > > Uhh, yeah. Sorry, I failed to point out that the > only Gavia kit I'm > interested in is the Scout. Indeed, the Albatri and > Camel, and other stuff > are Eduard. I lapsed into incomprehension. So what > else is new? > > > DB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:08:29 -0500 From: "Andy-Girl" To: Subject: Bob Pearson Message-ID: <000501c08734$96d0f660$527220cc@computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0870A.956DD600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are looking for Bob Pearson. We contacted him a year ago about some = WWI memorabilia of Kelly Wills, Jr. and have since lost Bob's e-amil = address. The last address we had was bpearson@kaien.com. Thanks, Kevin = and Andrea Wills =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0870A.956DD600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We are looking for Bob Pearson.  = We contacted=20 him a year ago about some WWI memorabilia of Kelly Wills, Jr. and = have=20 since lost Bob's e-amil address.  The last address we had was = bpearson@kaien.com.  Thanks, = Kevin and=20 Andrea Wills   
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0870A.956DD600-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:07:54 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: And now for something completely different Message-ID: <003501c08734$9eb22ca0$3fb58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaughan-Jackson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: And now for something completely different > Well the museum job is done. > (actually I have to finish converting a prop for a Hurri and make up a > couple of depth charges to sling under its wings, but THAT"S IT!!!) > > > Hoo-yeah back to the land of real planes. > > Where to begin? The flashback Fokker EV? The Eduard Roland? The ongoing > Sopwith Tripe? Do I attempt to revive the crippled DVa from the cook-up? > Maybe a big multi-engined job? > > > Not sure but I don't care as long as it's OT!!! > > MVJ Huray for you MVJ ;-) Regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:39:51 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Airplane Reflex... Message-ID: <40.68e7175.27a22f67@aol.com> --part1_40.68e7175.27a22f67_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A day late, (I was out of town) so yes, and no. When I was 7 and 8 (1950's) we lived in family quarters off to one side of one of the main runways at Glenview NAS. A lot of different planes, mostly white and orange. I fell in love with orange, and didn't get over it until I was 11. More recently I lived near the Twin Cities Metro Airport, again off to one side of a busy runway. With all those noisy semi automated busses going by, I only looked up when a piston engine or military turbine was heard, but I guess I'm still someone who looks up when something flies overhead. Merrill --part1_40.68e7175.27a22f67_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A day late, (I was out of town) so yes, and no. When I was 7 and 8  (1950's)
we lived in family quarters off to one side of one of the main runways at
Glenview NAS. A lot of different planes, mostly white and orange. I fell in
love with orange, and didn't get over it until I was 11. More recently I
lived near the Twin Cities Metro Airport, again off to one side of a busy
runway.  With all those noisy semi automated busses going by, I only looked
up when a piston engine or military turbine was heard, but I guess I'm still
someone who looks up when something flies overhead.
Merrill

--part1_40.68e7175.27a22f67_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:57:09 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown Message-ID: <20010126015709.69178.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Yes, that's one of their skeleton kits. VAMP is a Czech hobby shop that specializes in WW1 kits, accessories, and decals from the Czech Republic and surrounding countries. Much of what he sells is hard to get here, and frequently unattainable in the U.S. The owner/operator is Lubos Vinar. In general, his prices are far lower than western countries but, of course, shipping is higher. $0-50 is $10; $50 and up is $15. You have to register on his site before shopping. He doesn't accept credit cards but does accept U.S. checks, money orders, and cash (by registered mail only). I would advise using money orders. All prices are in US$. He also accepts bank transfers. Lubos is very reliable and fast. I've done business with him for a couple of years with no problems. He's also a member of this list. Give youself a treat and Czech out his site at; w3.inshop.cz/vamp Todd --- NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > > > >>This kit is now listed on the VAMP website for > $15.<< > > Is this one of the Eduard "skeleton" models? If so, > neat! > > I'm, sorry but what is the VAMP website? Is that a > UK thing? > > Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:08:13 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown Message-ID: <20010126020813.71074.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, There is an all p.e. 1:48 Fokker Dr.I by a Japanese company whose name I can't remember right off. If you're interested I will look it up. Todd --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > This kit is now listed on the VAMP website for > $15. > > Just thought you might like to know. > > > > TH > > Tempting... Wrong scale, of course, but tempting... > > > DB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:14:01 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <5f.100e0702.27a23769@aol.com> In a message dated 1/25/01 1:19:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: << That's because he had already shot at him, and MvR then glided down while Brown flew over (?) and away.. . Firing and crash were not instantaneous no matter who downed him Bob >> Here's a truly strange viewpoint I've run into lately concerning MvR's demise- he personally wasn't shot in the air; he landed safely after his engine or some other part of the airplane was hit; he glided to a landing and was attempting to extricate himself from the tripe and was set upon, dragged out, and shot by ground troops. Alledged eye-witness reports to this event are said to exist. I recently got my hands on over twenty years worth of C&C GB/Int- this is where I ran into this story......anyway I'm giving each edition a quick readthrough- it's taking me months, and as I come across stuff like this, I make a mental note. This little oddity has popped up a couple of times in different issues of the journal. I'd never heard this before! RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:13:58 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAM Feb 2001 Message-ID: <2f.10200d81.27a23766@aol.com> In a message dated 1/25/01 2:56:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com writes: << Fans of OT aircraft in slightly different markings may like to check out the new Scale Aircraft Modelling, which has an article on the early Finnish Air Force. ~15 OT aircraft types, including the most amazing Fokker DVII in a 4 colour splinter scheme. (Thulins, Albatros, DFW, Nieuports, M5s, Friedrichshafen, Fokkers, SPAD, Rumpler, Caudron, Breugeuts, Martynsides, HB seaplanes.) Recommended >> guess I'd better get my slovenly self down to a hobby shop and check this out- thanks for the heads-up! RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:16:28 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Quiet out there? Message-ID: <85.60d2f07.27a237fc@aol.com> --part1_85.60d2f07.27a237fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a bit I thought Alan threw me out with the TC, who also uses AOL, as no postings after 2:30 PM local, but the "DR1 PE" messages came through, so I guess I'm still connected. Finally got back to my computer, and had a look at the latest photos from Graham, Tom Morgan and Bob L. YOU GUYS ARE GREAT! Only masochism keeps me building. Merrill --part1_85.60d2f07.27a237fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a bit I thought Alan threw me out with the TC, who also uses AOL, as no
postings after 2:30 PM local, but the "DR1 PE" messages came through, so I
guess I'm still connected. Finally got back to my computer, and had a look at
the latest photos from Graham, Tom Morgan and Bob L.  YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!  
Only masochism keeps me building.
Merrill

--part1_85.60d2f07.27a237fc_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:15:07 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown Message-ID: <001401c0873e$17b2f4a0$4390aec7@com> > Dave, > > There is an all p.e. 1:48 Fokker Dr.I by a Japanese > company whose name I can't remember right off. If > you're interested I will look it up. > > Todd I seem to remember this kit, but yes, please, by all means look it up. Who knows, I may have room in the house for one more kit... DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:19:50 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <003301c0873e$7bfeeb80$9adad73f@lylelamb> Yeah, Ed Ferko says that in his bio of MvR as well...that was a rather creepy thought. Lyle > Here's a truly strange viewpoint I've run into lately concerning MvR's > demise- he personally wasn't shot in the air; he landed safely after his > engine or some other part of the airplane was hit; he glided to a landing and > was attempting to extricate himself from the tripe and was set upon, dragged > out, and shot by ground troops. Alledged eye-witness reports to this event > are said to exist. > I recently got my hands on over twenty years worth of C&C GB/Int- this is > where I ran into this story......anyway I'm giving each edition a quick > readthrough- it's taking me months, and as I come across stuff like this, I > make a mental note. This little oddity has popped up a couple of times in > different issues of the journal. I'd never heard this before! > RK > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:21:59 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: --part1_d2.18d4a2e.27a23947_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a twisted up version of the theory, carefully researched, that MvR might have been killed by shots from the 'reserve trench', rather than by the better accepted Aussie AA gunners, but I think it got mixed up with the 'feeding frenzy' of souvenir hunting that went on right after the body was ID'd. Merrill --part1_d2.18d4a2e.27a23947_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a twisted up version of the theory, carefully researched, that MvR might
have been killed by shots from the 'reserve trench', rather than by the
better accepted Aussie AA gunners, but I think it got mixed up with the
'feeding frenzy' of souvenir hunting that went on right after the body was
ID'd.
Merrill

--part1_d2.18d4a2e.27a23947_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:21:45 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <200101260343.TAA25441@mail.rapidnet.net> A few years back, Stewart Taylor forwarded me a copy of an article in a German-American newspaper from the 1920s or 1930s that was supposed to be an eywitness account of MvR landing, climbing out, and then being beaten to death by CANADIAN troops. . The truth is always being (re)written. Bob ---------- >From: KarrArt@aol.com > In a message dated 1/25/01 1:19:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, > bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: > > << That's because he had already shot at him, and MvR then glided down while > Brown flew over (?) and away.. . Firing and crash were not instantaneous > no matter who downed him > > Bob >> > > Here's a truly strange viewpoint I've run into lately concerning MvR's > demise- he personally wasn't shot in the air; he landed safely after his > engine or some other part of the airplane was hit; he glided to a landing and > was attempting to extricate himself from the tripe and was set upon, dragged > out, and shot by ground troops. Alledged eye-witness reports to this event > are said to exist. > I recently got my hands on over twenty years worth of C&C GB/Int- this is > where I ran into this story......anyway I'm giving each edition a quick > readthrough- it's taking me months, and as I come across stuff like this, I > make a mental note. This little oddity has popped up a couple of times in > different issues of the journal. I'd never heard this before! > RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:48:41 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <00f701c08742$7ea1d420$a4885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Ed Ferko in his book 'Richthofen' recalls a 1932 account by a Hermann Bink of the 1st Company of the 3rd Grenadiers. Stationed in a forward post near Hamel and using "high powered glasses", Bink describes seeing Richthofen land safely after a "smooth, controlled glide". "Then as he watched, it was noted that von Richthofen was alive and climbed out of his machine only to be surrounded immediately by the khaki figures of colonial troops brandishing knives and bayonets. While he did not observe von Richthofen being slain, the inference was apparent." Ferko himself hypothesizes that in the frenzy of ground fire MvR might have been shot on the ground while still strapped in the cockpit after the plane halted and implies a possible Allied cover-up. More fuel for the fire! Cheers Brad -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? >In a message dated 1/25/01 1:19:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, >bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: > ><< That's because he had already shot at him, and MvR then glided down while > Brown flew over (?) and away.. . Firing and crash were not instantaneous > no matter who downed him > > Bob >> > > Here's a truly strange viewpoint I've run into lately concerning MvR's >demise- he personally wasn't shot in the air; he landed safely after his >engine or some other part of the airplane was hit; he glided to a landing and >was attempting to extricate himself from the tripe and was set upon, dragged >out, and shot by ground troops. Alledged eye-witness reports to this event >are said to exist. >I recently got my hands on over twenty years worth of C&C GB/Int- this is >where I ran into this story......anyway I'm giving each edition a quick >readthrough- it's taking me months, and as I come across stuff like this, I >make a mental note. This little oddity has popped up a couple of times in >different issues of the journal. I'd never heard this before! >RK > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:10:43 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Stripdown Message-ID: <20010126031043.95824.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, I already did. It's by Aero Base. You can find it by using the advanced search option at www.hlj.com Expensive!!! 7700 yen = $65.87 Todd --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > There is an all p.e. 1:48 Fokker Dr.I by a > Japanese > > company whose name I can't remember right off. If > > you're interested I will look it up. > > > > Todd > > I seem to remember this kit, but yes, please, by all > means look it up. Who > knows, I may have room in the house for one more > kit... > > > DB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:33:32 -0600 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: For Todd Hayes: Message-ID: <3A70F00B.12193CB5@netexpress.net> Hio List: With apologies...trying to get in touch with Todd Hayes regarding a kit for the Bleriot Monoplane but I keep getting my e-mails returned from his "address." Todd, can you get back to me off list and let me know what I am doing wrong? Thanks....Bob Horton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:18:17 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Sikorskii S.16 Markings Message-ID: <000a01c08768$291897c0$ba2e3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Todd, Americal has a sheet for IRAS markings but I think it only contains roundels & tailstripes, no pendents for fuselage side. Sounds like a job for someone with an ALPS printer. I know that I could use a set for Gilsher's plane as shown in the FMP book. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Todd Hayes To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: Sikorskii S.16 Markings >Hi Folks, > >Does anyone know of a source for markings for a 1:48 >Sikorskii S.16? > >TIA > >TH > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:51:07 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: Oh-là-là............ now explain somebody to me the angle of penetration of the one and only bullet that went right through his heart, killing him within seconds.... This bullet could have been fired ONLY FROM BELOW of the aircraft. btw: Busendorf, the location where MvR unloaded from the train near Thionville is today called Bouzonville. It is located south-east of Thionville and not north-east like mentionned in MvRs book. Was on the nightshift and met a French police officer in Thionville whom I asked about Busendorf. happy whatever you are doing ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Brad & Merville > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? > > > Ed Ferko in his book 'Richthofen' recalls a 1932 account by a Hermann > Bink of the 1st Company of the 3rd Grenadiers. Stationed in a > forward post > near Hamel and using "high powered glasses", Bink describes seeing > Richthofen land safely after a "smooth, controlled glide". "Then as he > watched, it was noted that von Richthofen was alive and climbed out of his > machine only to be surrounded immediately by the khaki figures of colonial > troops brandishing knives and bayonets. While he did not observe von > Richthofen being slain, the inference was apparent." > Ferko himself hypothesizes that in the frenzy of ground fire > MvR might > have been shot on the ground while still strapped in the cockpit after the > plane halted and implies a possible Allied cover-up. > More fuel for the fire! > > Cheers > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: KarrArt@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? > > > >In a message dated 1/25/01 1:19:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: > > > ><< That's because he had already shot at him, and MvR then glided down > while > > Brown flew over (?) and away.. . Firing and crash were not > instantaneous > > no matter who downed him > > > > Bob >> > > > > Here's a truly strange viewpoint I've run into lately concerning MvR's > >demise- he personally wasn't shot in the air; he landed safely after his > >engine or some other part of the airplane was hit; he glided to a landing > and > >was attempting to extricate himself from the tripe and was set upon, > dragged > >out, and shot by ground troops. Alledged eye-witness reports to > this event > >are said to exist. > >I recently got my hands on over twenty years worth of C&C GB/Int- this is > >where I ran into this story......anyway I'm giving each edition a quick > >readthrough- it's taking me months, and as I come across stuff > like this, I > >make a mental note. This little oddity has popped up a couple > of times in > >different issues of the journal. I'd never heard this before! > >RK > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:55:06 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MoS Message-ID: Just catching up on the list stuff, will get back to you re the MoS in next day or so. Sorry to be tardy in responding - after reading comments got my head stuck in the door frame! Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:00:24 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roland C-II Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010126000024.008efa00@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Many thanks to Brian, Jack and Mike! I am now armed with plenty of cockpit detail info. for this A/C. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:03:58 -0600 From: Craig Gavin To: WWI Modelers List Subject: Re: Airplane Reflex... Message-ID: Merrill - Looks like we shared some of the same experience. Where did you live - Glenview or Northbrook? We moved to Northbrook in 1955 - well, actually Northfield Township, just west on Lake Road from the main gate of Glenview NAS. I lived there until 1967, when I graduated from Glenbrook North High Scjool and went away to college. But I too remember the S2F's, P7V's, F4F's, then A-4's, C-141's 'cause we lived on the downwind approach to the north-south main runway. And since we also lived so near to Pal-Waukee, I remember watching the yellow J-3's from Sally's Flying School circling overhead. Used to ride my bike there and hang on the fence, just hoping some pilot would see me, and ask if I wanted to go for a ride. Of course it never happened. To this day I still want a ride in a J-3. It must have been sometime around the mid-50's, at an open house at Glenview NAS, I remember watching a Pogo VTOL take-off, transition to normal flight and then land - amazing plane. We were also watched Cutlass jets go vertical with full afterburns. And the Blue Angels (back then they were still flying their Tiger jets). Been watching planes, and building models ever since. Great memories! - Craig Gavin Ý > From: MAnde72343@aol.com > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:44:57 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Airplane Reflex... > > > --part1_40.68e7175.27a22f67_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > A day late, (I was out of town) so yes, and no. When I was 7 and 8 (1950's) > we lived in family quarters off to one side of one of the main runways at > Glenview NAS. A lot of different planes, mostly white and orange. I fell in > love with orange, and didn't get over it until I was 11. More recently I > lived near the Twin Cities Metro Airport, again off to one side of a busy > runway. With all those noisy semi automated busses going by, I only looked > up when a piston engine or military turbine was heard, but I guess I'm still > someone who looks up when something flies overhead. > Merrill > > > > --part1_40.68e7175.27a22f67_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > A day late, (I was out of town) > so yes, and no. When I was 7 and 8  (1950's) >
we lived in family quarters off to one side of one of the main runways at >
Glenview NAS. A lot of different planes, mostly white and orange. I fell > in >
love with orange, and didn't get over it until I was 11. More recently I >
lived near the Twin Cities Metro Airport, again off to one side of a busy >
runway.  With all those noisy semi automated busses going by, I only > looked >
up when a piston engine or military turbine was heard, but I guess I'm > still >
someone who looks up when something flies overhead. >
Merrill >
>
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