WWI Digest 3010 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "Steven M.Perry" 2) Roland C-II by Rob & Sherry 3) Airplane reflex by "Ken Zelnick" 4) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by "Lyle Lamboley" 5) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "diaphus" 6) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "diaphus" 7) Brandenburg D.I by "bruce simard" 8) Re: Roland C-II by "Richard Eaton" 9) Re: Roland C-II by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Roland C-II by Rob & Sherry 11) Re: Roland C-II by Rob & Sherry 12) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Bob Pearson" 13) Re: Airplane reflex by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 14) Re: Cukopckuu C-16 Pycckuu Ckayt by Todd Hayes 15) RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? by Crawford Neil 16) RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by Crawford Neil 17) RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by Crawford Neil 18) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Bob Pearson" 19) Re: Jerrards Camel by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 20) RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Gaston Graf" 21) RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by Crawford Neil 22) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: Jerrards Camel by "Bob Pearson" 24) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Steven M.Perry" 25) Re: Aviatiks and Lohners by "Alf Bakken" 26) Re: Jerrards Camel by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 27) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "Matt Bittner" 28) RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:14:43 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <001a01c08685$58fcaaa0$57f1aec7@default> Jack: In the Wind in the Wires book, the photo of the camo painted repro has aluminum colored wheel discs and doesn't appear to have a gun. The silver one with the birds on a yellow band and said to be a restored original, (MS 1591), has no wheel discs and has one gun mounted slightly starboard of center. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:34:36 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Roland C-II Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010124233436.008ca6a0@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Hey Guys, Can anyone provide me with interior fuse details of the Roland C-II? Even a scan of the Eduards kit instructions. I want to put "something" in the Heller kit. I am not concerned if it 100% accurate, or even 50% accurate. Just want something other than the pegs :) Thanks Rob .....Who just finished his first lame attempt (Roden DR.1)!!!! Thanks E., SP, and all those who answered all my stupid question when I joined the list!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:51:48 -0600 From: "Ken Zelnick" To: Subject: Airplane reflex Message-ID: <001301c0868a$87831ee0$38b1b4d0@tcac.net> Of course I look up when an airplane goes over, although as already mentioned by others, jets and helos aren't nearly as important. SWMBO thinks I have some mental defect, especially when I run around trees trying to find a clear patch of sky to get a better view. Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:54:11 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: <00c901c0868a$df2497a0$621ed03f@lylelamb> Boy, do I ever! Living near an international airport gives me a ton of opportunity to see all sorts of stuff in the downwind legs. Plus, there's a little shuttle service that uses Cessna Cardinals, so that engine sound always gets my attention. I had the happy fortune of being out in the yard when the sound of four radials caught my immediate attention...flying over was the EAA's B-17 Aluminum Overcast, at about 1,000 feet. At Sun n Fun, you used to be able to sit in the parking lot and watch the action from your lawn chair, which was absolutely fantastic. During the air show, many of the maneuvers were not only directly in front of you but also very close, right in your face. I guess they got wind of it and decided to move the parking lot far to the south, near the ultralight field, since so many of us were doing that instead of coming in to the field proper and paying admission. I'm sure there were safety considerations as well. No, I was not one of the deadbeats...at least not all of the time! I have been known to pull over suddenly to get out and watch some vintage plane passing over. I need to get one of those bumper stickers that identify me as some kind of airplane wacko. The only time I've ever seen OT aircraft in the air here was also at Sun n Fun when the Rhinebeck gang flies its birds. This started up in 1997, and I certainly hope it continues. With Super Bowl in a few days and me living near Tampa Stadium, I get the pleasure of news helicopters clattering away and the Budweiser blimp sailing around all day now. Even the Thunderbirds made a cameo appearance while passing through to MacDill AFB yesterday. Gee, Tampa ain't so bad! Cheerio, Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:56:11 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <000b01c0868b$234d0480$cd551a18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven M.Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI > Jack: > In the Wind in the Wires book, the photo of the camo painted repro has > aluminum colored wheel discs and doesn't appear to have a gun. The silver > one with the birds on a yellow band and said to be a restored original, (MS > 1591), has no wheel discs and has one gun mounted slightly starboard of > center. > sp > Criminy! Man, did I ever make a mistake choosing this guys plane! This introduces a few new variations. Well, as I said, he's getting two guns, aluminum undersurfaces and blue wheel covers if I can match it, aluminum if I can't. Truthfully, the model will then have a bit of every variation on the themes suggested :-) Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:57:30 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <001201c0868b$527a5960$cd551a18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:33 PM Subject: RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI > Jack, > > > Either that or stick a little bumper > > sticker on the > > plane that reads "My OTHER plane is a 27". > > Dammit! Diet Coke is *not* good for keyboards. > > Shane > Unless you are using one of those slimline boards ;-p Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:00:29 -0500 From: "bruce simard" To: "WWI List" Subject: Brandenburg D.I Message-ID: <000901c0868b$bd88a900$b71e8cd0@22by501> Gents, I'm doing research prior to jumping into the Toko kit of the HB DI. I've searched through most of my own archives, and the list archives for information. Several questions I could use help with: 1- The cockpit area - from the best photos I've seen, the cockpit seemed to be painted white from the upper longeron up, and natural wood below ? 2- As far as the sworl pattern- has anyone actually found any profiles or photos ? (Other then the FMP book) and in that line, 3- I have the Pegasus sworl decals from the Alb DIII, I've never seen the Americals version, any real difference ? Or are they essentially the same ? And last, but never least, any tips on what to watch for with the Toko kit is always appreciated. TIA, Bruce. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:03:04 -0600 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: Roland C-II Message-ID: <00e701c0868c$1a399a60$b5441c18@austin.rr.com> Congrats Rob! Nothing like that feeling of finishing a kit is there? Just bought the Roden Dr.I myself. Lame? I doubt it... I would love to see a scan or two.... Regards, Richard > Thanks > Rob > ....Who just finished his first lame attempt (Roden DR.1)!!!! Thanks E., > SP, and all those who answered all my stupid question when I joined the list!!! > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:13:10 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roland C-II Message-ID: <3A6FB5E5.3991B49C@bellsouth.net> Rob & Sherry wrote: > > Hey Guys, > Can anyone provide me with interior fuse details of the Roland C-II? Just sit tight and I'll send ou a scan of a picture of the cockpits of my Eduard Roland. As soon as I get em. And Mike, the pictures should be on the way. But don't scan any until we talk about it. I just wasn't thinking and I sent you the whole pack. I don't need all the pictures scanned. So please talk to me before you scan a bunch of pictures for nothing. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:25:22 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roland C-II Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010125002522.008b8e40@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Oh, Sure E.. Send me some some pics of your "Art work", so that way I can be sure to feel like my build is crap! :) Rob At 12:14 AM 1/25/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >Rob & Sherry wrote: >> >> Hey Guys, >> Can anyone provide me with interior fuse details of the Roland C-II? > >Just sit tight and I'll send ou a scan of a picture of the cockpits of >my Eduard Roland. As soon as I get em. >And Mike, the pictures should be on the way. But don't scan any until we >talk about it. I just wasn't thinking and I sent you the whole pack. I >don't need all the pictures scanned. So please talk to me before you >scan a bunch of pictures for nothing. Thanks. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:30:53 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roland C-II Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010125003053.008bb770@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Richard, HEHEHE, you don't want to see pics of this one, But yes..IT FEELS great to have finished something. Can't wait to dig into the C-II!!! Rob At 12:06 AM 1/25/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Congrats Rob! Nothing like that feeling of finishing a kit is there? >Just bought the Roden Dr.I myself. Lame? I doubt it... >I would love to see a scan or two.... > >Regards, > >Richard > >> Thanks >> Rob >> ....Who just finished his first lame attempt (Roden DR.1)!!!! Thanks E., >> SP, and all those who answered all my stupid question when I joined the >list!!! >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:54:02 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <200101250812.AAA18126@mail.rapidnet.net> Brown was a Flight Commander in the Royal Naval Air Service, then a Captain in the Royal Air Force .. he was never in the Royal Flying Corps. Richthofen, not Richtofen Bob ---------- >From: "Steven M.Perry" > One famous Camel pilot was Roy Brown, he was a flight commander in the > British Royal Flying Corps, very experienced, and rather tired of the war, > still doing the best he could. One day he was on patrol when his squadron > got in a big dogfight with the Squadron of Manfred von Richtofen, the "Red > Baron". Brown saw one of his pilots, an inexperienced young man named May, > going down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail,. May twisted and wove his > Camel to keep the red triplane from getting a good shot at him. Roy Brown > dove his Camel in a straight line after them in a derperate attempt to catch > up and shoot the Fokker off his friend's tail. Roy Brown had followed May > and the red Fokker down to low level just above the trenches where many of > the Australian troops in the trenches fired their machine guns at the red > Fokker which crash landed nearby. It turned out that the pilot of the red > Fokker, who was killed, was none other than the Red Baron himself, Germany's > highest scoring ace. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:23:00 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Airplane reflex Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/01 11:55:53 PM EST, kzelnick@cox-internet.com writes: << SWMBO thinks I have some mental defect, especially when I run around trees trying to find a clear patch of sky to get a better view. >> My SWMBO would be surprised if I didn't. A good argument for being careful in choosing your SWMBO. I made sure she came and saw "the collection" on the seond date - wasn't interested in wasting time further. The result being that I go to her Vegan Conventions and say *nothing* and she goes to the Air Museum and takes pix of me climbing into the photo plane. Cheers, TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:31:59 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cukopckuu C-16 Pycckuu Ckayt Message-ID: <20010125073159.18345.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Matt, I thought that's what you said. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:50:32 -0500 (EST), Todd Hayes > wrote: > > > I just received the original Russian book on the > > Sikorskii S.16 by Polygon Press. Interesting. Is > this > > the same as the English language Sikorskii book by > > FMP? I also have a copy of the FMP book on the > way. > > >From what I understand, they are almost one and the > same. > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:16:31 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: I look at birds too, it's funny when I'm out with my botanist friends, who frown on my bird-watching activities, to a botanist bird-watching is a waste of time, if they see me looking skyward with my binoculars, they take a quick peek, and say "oh it's an aeroplane, that's OK"! /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob & Sherry [mailto:rweiner@tampabay.rr.com] > Sent: den 25 januari 2001 05:15 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? > > > Yep, Uh-huh, sure do! I have never really noticed if anyone else was > looking skyward tho, as I am away looking up :) Not only at > airplanes, but > blimps, and even a soaring bird. There is just that "magical > thing" that > attracts me towards anything that flies. > Rob > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:34:13 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: I think this is great Steve, much better than my version, I was going to re-write it myself, thanks for letting me off the hook;-) Can you add Bob's corrections, I'm a little confused about them, does that mean that it was a RNAS squadron in that fight, or was it so late in the war that it was RAF, which was Brown at the time, Flight Commander or Captain? /Neil > One famous Camel pilot was Roy Brown, he was a flight commander in the > British Royal Flying Corps, very experienced, and rather > tired of the war, > still doing the best he could. One day he was on patrol when > his squadron > got in a big dogfight with the Squadron of Manfred von > Richtofen, the "Red > Baron". Brown saw one of his pilots, an inexperienced young > man named May, > going down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail,. May > twisted and wove his > Camel to keep the red triplane from getting a good shot at > him. Roy Brown > dove his Camel in a straight line after them in a derperate > attempt to catch > up and shoot the Fokker off his friend's tail. Roy Brown had > followed May > and the red Fokker down to low level just above the trenches > where many of > the Australian troops in the trenches fired their machine > guns at the red > Fokker which crash landed nearby. It turned out that the > pilot of the red > Fokker, who was killed, was none other than the Red Baron > himself, Germany's > highest scoring ace. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:37:08 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: Well thanks Brad, but if I really was wise, I'd never have mentioned Richthofen at all, nearly started a third world war there! /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad & Merville [mailto:BigglesRFC@globalserve.net] > Sent: den 25 januari 2001 01:38 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? > > > Neil > > You are a very wise man. You took the words right out of > my mouth. > Thanks. > > Brad > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:45:01 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <200101250959.BAA20704@mail.rapidnet.net> He was a captain from 1 April 1918, which is the date that the RNAS and RFC amalgamated to form the RAF. Best to just say, "Captain A.R. Brown, a flight commander in No.209 Sqn RAF . . " Bob ---------- >From: Crawford Neil >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? >Date: Thu, Jan 25, 2001, 12:39 am > > I think this is great Steve, much better than my version, I > was going to re-write it myself, thanks for letting me off the hook;-) > Can you add Bob's corrections, I'm a little confused about them, does > that mean that it was a RNAS squadron in that fight, or was it so late > in the war that it was RAF, which was Brown at the time, Flight Commander > or Captain? > /Neil > > > >> One famous Camel pilot was Roy Brown, he was a flight commander in the >> British Royal Flying Corps, very experienced, and rather >> tired of the war, >> still doing the best he could. One day he was on patrol when >> his squadron >> got in a big dogfight with the Squadron of Manfred von >> Richtofen, the "Red >> Baron". Brown saw one of his pilots, an inexperienced young >> man named May, >> going down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail,. May >> twisted and wove his >> Camel to keep the red triplane from getting a good shot at >> him. Roy Brown >> dove his Camel in a straight line after them in a derperate >> attempt to catch >> up and shoot the Fokker off his friend's tail. Roy Brown had >> followed May >> and the red Fokker down to low level just above the trenches >> where many of >> the Australian troops in the trenches fired their machine >> guns at the red >> Fokker which crash landed nearby. It turned out that the >> pilot of the red >> Fokker, who was killed, was none other than the Red Baron >> himself, Germany's >> highest scoring ace. >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:55:30 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jerrards Camel Message-ID: <003001c086ac$9427b120$7f01010a@jaring.my> Thanks for all the info, Bob & Lance. I've now finally decided to do the Jerrard Camel for the Cookup. Still a little bit when it comes to the serial, but I guess that can be sorted out later. Now on to the Clerget engine. The Aeroclub one I have is not that convincing. I think Eric does one in 72 as well. Any opinions on that one? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:55:31 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: Ooops....... did you know that at the time MvR crashed, Brown was not even close enough to shoot at him??? cheers Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > DAVID BURKE > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:58 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? > > > > One famous Camel pilot was Roy Brown, he was a flight commander in the > > British Royal Flying Corps, very experienced, and rather tired > of the war, > > still doing the best he could. One day he was on patrol when > his squadron > > got in a big dogfight with the Squadron of Manfred von > Richtofen, the "Red > > Baron". Brown saw one of his pilots, an inexperienced young man > named May, > > going down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail,. May twisted and wove > his > > Camel to keep the red triplane from getting a good shot at him. > Roy Brown > > dove his Camel in a straight line after them in a derperate attempt to > catch > > up and shoot the Fokker off his friend's tail. Roy Brown had > followed May > > and the red Fokker down to low level just above the trenches > where many of > > the Australian troops in the trenches fired their machine guns > at the red > > Fokker which crash landed nearby. It turned out that the pilot > of the red > > Fokker, who was killed, was none other than the Red Baron himself, > Germany's > > highest scoring ace. > > > > Me like. > > > DB > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:10:50 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: If you read it carefully, it doesn't say that he did! /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Gaston Graf [mailto:ggraf@vo.lu] > Sent: den 25 januari 2001 10:01 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? > > > Ooops....... did you know that at the time MvR crashed, Brown > was not even > close enough to shoot at him??? > > cheers > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > > DAVID BURKE > > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:58 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? > > > > > > > One famous Camel pilot was Roy Brown, he was a flight > commander in the > > > British Royal Flying Corps, very experienced, and rather tired > > of the war, > > > still doing the best he could. One day he was on patrol when > > his squadron > > > got in a big dogfight with the Squadron of Manfred von > > Richtofen, the "Red > > > Baron". Brown saw one of his pilots, an inexperienced young man > > named May, > > > going down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail,. May > twisted and wove > > his > > > Camel to keep the red triplane from getting a good shot at him. > > Roy Brown > > > dove his Camel in a straight line after them in a > derperate attempt to > > catch > > > up and shoot the Fokker off his friend's tail. Roy Brown had > > followed May > > > and the red Fokker down to low level just above the trenches > > where many of > > > the Australian troops in the trenches fired their machine guns > > at the red > > > Fokker which crash landed nearby. It turned out that the pilot > > of the red > > > Fokker, who was killed, was none other than the Red Baron himself, > > Germany's > > > highest scoring ace. > > > > > > > Me like. > > > > > > DB > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:11:33 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <200101251030.CAA21271@mail.rapidnet.net> That's because he had already shot at him, and MvR then glided down while Brown flew over (?) and away.. . Firing and crash were not instantaneous no matter who downed him Bob ---------- >From: "Gaston Graf" > > Ooops....... did you know that at the time MvR crashed, Brown was not even > close enough to shoot at him??? > > cheers > > Gaston Graf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:15:37 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jerrards Camel Message-ID: <200101251030.CAA21275@mail.rapidnet.net> Most serials at 66 sqn were black with a thin white outline (the scan I sent you didn't show this properly .. I just looked at the image in the book, and there it is.) The centre section 'E' is directly to the right of the cutout, not on both sides of it. When I next use the scanner I'll send you this view as well. Bob ---------- >From: Volker Häusler >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Jerrards Camel >Date: Thu, Jan 25, 2001, 12:54 am > > Thanks for all the info, Bob & Lance. I've now finally decided to do the > Jerrard Camel for the Cookup. Still a little bit when it comes to the > serial, but I guess that can be sorted out later. > > Now on to the Clerget engine. The Aeroclub one I have is not that > convincing. I think Eric does one in 72 as well. Any opinions on that one? > > Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:14:50 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <004001c086b7$a7a63a40$28f0aec7@default> Thanks for the corrections Bob. Duly noted. And thanks once again to all who have contributed. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:19:58 +0100 From: "Alf Bakken" To: Subject: Re: Aviatiks and Lohners Message-ID: <001901c086c0$c15cc860$99d67a94@online.no> >Has any manufacturer ever done a kit of an Austro -Hungarian Lohner? This >could be any scale, any medium. >Lohner's B.II through to B.VII. I dont know if there has been issued kits of the Lohner B-types. However, I have a kit of the Lohner C.I by Formaplane (1/72). It is a nice kit which I aquired from KingKit. >Has anyone out there bought or built the Joystick Aviatik B.II? Is this the >Austro Hungarian version? It is. I have it. For a view of a built-up kit, have a look at Steve Hustads superb B.II in his gallery section. Alf Bakken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:46:40 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jerrards Camel Message-ID: <001401c086bc$1a4cfa80$7f01010a@jaring.my> Thanks Bob - actually I don't have the FMP VC book (not the CMH one), but it's high on my list. Only information I have are the photos in "King of Combat" and C&C (I). And I'll go for the outlined serials - they also look good! Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Jerrards Camel Most serials at 66 sqn were black with a thin white outline (the scan I sent you didn't show this properly .. I just looked at the image in the book, and there it is.) The centre section 'E' is directly to the right of the cutout, not on both sides of it. When I next use the scanner I'll send you this view as well. Bob ---------- >From: Volker Häusler >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Jerrards Camel >Date: Thu, Jan 25, 2001, 12:54 am > > Thanks for all the info, Bob & Lance. I've now finally decided to do the > Jerrard Camel for the Cookup. Still a little bit when it comes to the > serial, but I guess that can be sorted out later. > > Now on to the Clerget engine. The Aeroclub one I have is not that > convincing. I think Eric does one in 72 as well. Any opinions on that one? > > Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:00:37 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <200101251100.DAA16151@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:17:52 -0500 (EST), Steven M.Perry wrote: > In the Wind in the Wires book, the photo of the camo painted repro has > aluminum colored wheel discs and doesn't appear to have a gun. The silver > one with the birds on a yellow band and said to be a restored original, (MS > 1591), has no wheel discs and has one gun mounted slightly starboard of > center. In all the photos of the Type 27C.1 I have seen, the single gun sits direct center. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:02:24 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: And this reminds me of my boarding school days in Hertfordshire too, except we didn't get so many a/c as you did. The CASA made up for that though, quality not quantity! Herc's are always a bit special, we often have them over our house, you can recognise them immediately, nothing else sounds like that, they're rather magnificent. Meant to send this yesterday, forgot. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson [mailto:mvj@thetelegram.com] > Sent: den 24 januari 2001 17:07 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? > > > All these notes remind me of my school days in Wiltshire (southern > England). I was at boarding school smack dab in the middle of > three or four > airbases. > > With both US birds and RAF beasties around the skies above > were my playground. > I'd climb this enormous Douglas fir tree (couple of hundred > years old so it > was a good 150 feet plus tall) lean back and watch Handley > Page Victors > cruise over head, Sepcat jaguars roar past, a brace of A-10's > dogfighting. > It was the early 1980s so you could still see hawker Hunters, the odd > Vulcan and even a swarm of Gnats stoodge past. > > Most memorable was when I heard this strange whistling > getting closer. I > looked around just as (bang) a Herc roared over. I know it was a good > height above me but I swear I felt it's breath, tasted the > fumes and felt > the engines in my chest. I;'m still amazed I didn't fall out > of the tree. > I was 10 and I count that (backed up by a visit the following > weekend to > the last International Air Tattoo at Greenham Common) as the > month I became > an aeroplane person. (How could I not, on the way home from > the Tattoo in > my Uncle's TR6 with the top down, we enjoyed the traffic jam > as we watched > everything from a galaxy to a Tiger Moth to the > Hurri/Lanc/Spit flight > heading off overhead. > I tell you, it as the best traffic jam I've ever been in. > > > Since then as I've gotten older and more crumudgeonly, I've > moved away from > the tin cans (though fighter engines still make me look up). > Now my motto is fairly simple - If it's got a prop it's a > plane - if it's > got a round engine and two wings it's a REAL plane!!! > > Hmmm, wonder if I can buy a retirement home near old Rhinebeck?? > MVJ > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3010 **********************