WWI Digest 3009 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pegasus & Blue Max 2001-2002 Releases by "Steven M.Perry" 2) RE: Pegasus & Blue Max 2001-2002 Releases by Shane Weier 3) Senior moment: by Robert Horton 4) Re: Pegasus & Blue Max 2001-2002 Releases by "Steven M.Perry" 5) by "Paul Gabert" 6) Re: Cheap kits by "Michael Kendix" 7) RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings by "CharlesGosse" 8) web site of original aircraft bits and pieces by "CharlesGosse" 9) From Usenet rec.models.scale by Shane Weier 10) Re: Cukopckuu C-16 Pycckuu Ckayt by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Brad & Merville" 12) Re: Aviatiks and Lohners by Dennis Ugulano 13) Re: Alps printers by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 14) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "diaphus" 15) RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by Shane Weier 16) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "diaphus" 17) Re: Alps printers by "Limon3" 18) Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings by "Limon3" 19) RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by Shane Weier 20) RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? by "Edward Swaim" 21) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "Steven M.Perry" 22) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "DAVID BURKE" 23) RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? by Rob & Sherry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:29:39 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Pegasus & Blue Max 2001-2002 Releases Message-ID: <002f01c0865d$864abf60$b3f3aec7@default> Drooling at the prospect of ALL the listed releases. Ah, the joys of biscalarism. Oh, my aching wallet. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:45:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Pegasus & Blue Max 2001-2002 Releases Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748ADD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP, > Drooling at the prospect of ALL the listed releases. Consider yourself OFF my Christmas card list. >>BM204 L.V.G. C.VI 24.99 Gack.... Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:58:29 -0600 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Senior moment: Message-ID: <3A6F6C25.DD5753CB@netexpress.net> Hi List: Apologies for rehashing two items that came across about a week and a half ago: First: someone was looking for a 1/48th kit of the Lifelike/Pyro?Impact Bleriot Monoplane. I cleared off several messages and lost the listees name...I have one if you are still looking for one, make me an offer... Second: another list member was talking about the identification of a Hotchkiss or similar machinge gun for a museum at Robinson, Illinois. Could you contact me off list and tell me about that museum. I have tried to contact them an apparently it is something that is only open on the fifth Tuesday of every other month. I had also bypassed your name also so forgive two senior moments....thanks guys....Bob Horton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:58:39 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Pegasus & Blue Max 2001-2002 Releases Message-ID: <005901c08661$931bdb80$b3f3aec7@default> > > >>BM204 L.V.G. C.VI 24.99 > > Gack.... > > Shane Thanks Mate! I knew that wood was money well spent ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:03:41 -0500 From: "Paul Gabert" To: Message-ID: <001101c08662$46b5a400$81565818@sc.rr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C08638.5DBE0A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable review wwi ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C08638.5DBE0A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:10:52 -0500 From: "CharlesGosse" To: Subject: RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: The Smithsonian's Albatros - the aircraft in Mikesh's book - is a D.Va, not the earlier D.V. The fabric was not likely attached to the stubs (though in some rare cases lozenge fabric was applied to ply surfaces on some aircraft, not sure if ever with an Albatros). By the way, if you would like to see some bits and pieces of a real Albatros D.V., I have them in my collection, which you can visit at http://charlesgosse.home.mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of The Shannons Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 5:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings I probably should have specified, since I was talking about the gray fuselaged Jasta 5 birds, that I was wondering about when they painted the fuselage. I wasn't sure in the green-lilac camo birds if the underside and top camouflage got onto the stubs, I didn't think so. But when they painted the fuselage, did they extend the paint onto the stubs or do we know? .Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings > Gabe says: > > > If you go by the Mikesh book on the Stropp plane, the stub > > wings seem to be > > a darker colored wood than the fuse. I doubt they would be > > different on the > > mauve/green wings, since they don't seem to be fabric covered. Just a > > semi-educated guess > > I've run my hand over this part of D.5390/17 - it's wood, and original, and > pretty much the same colour as the rest of her fuselage excepting that > there's a bit of oil staining like you'll see along the joints in the ply > under the engine. > > Not too sure whether Stropp has original ply in this area, so the colour may > not be instructive. I *do* know (according to Mikesh) that most of the > fuselage ply had to be replaced in her quite magnificent restoration, just > not whether the wing roots were affected without looking at the book. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:10:55 -0500 From: "CharlesGosse" To: Subject: web site of original aircraft bits and pieces Message-ID: A couple of people mentioned it was too quiet on the list, so if you have nothing else to do and haven't been, take a hop over to my web site, which dispalys my collection of German aeronautica from 1914-1918, bits and pieces of an original Albatros D.V., Halberstadt CL-IV, Pfalz D.XII, LVG C.VI. Zeppelin, etc. Let me know what you think. I am occasionally asked to sell a small 1" square piece of lozenge or Zeppelin fabric and I am happy to do that. It supports my web hosting costs. http://charlesgosse.home.mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:21:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: From Usenet rec.models.scale Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748ADE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> GDay Someone may be able to help this gentleman............... Reply direct, I don't think he's a listee Shane >Hi, > >I'm looking for a 3D view (not to little) of the French Figther SPAD >A2 or A4. > >Can somebody help me to find it. >I want to built this 'plane'as an display model of about 1 meter >wingspan. > >Thank you for your help. > >Bye. > >ThierryBODART@FREEGATES.BE ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:31:10 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Cukopckuu C-16 Pycckuu Ckayt Message-ID: <200101250031.QAA16151@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:50:32 -0500 (EST), Todd Hayes wrote: > I just received the original Russian book on the > Sikorskii S.16 by Polygon Press. Interesting. Is this > the same as the English language Sikorskii book by > FMP? I also have a copy of the FMP book on the way. >From what I understand, they are almost one and the same. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:31:42 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <006d01c08666$34544ce0$d1885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Neil You are a very wise man. You took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks. Brad -----Original Message----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:16 AM Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? >I wrote it this way to make a better story for the kids, but >by all means Steve can take that part out, but then there wouldn't >be much else, just the technical bit, which was too much anyway. > >I tried to be non-commital, because I really haven't a clue myself. But >I think you are a bit unfair saying that Brown and MvR weren't >connected, surely they were in the same dogfight, and if anyone made MvR >break his own golden rule and fly too low, it was Brown (and May). > >I haven't heard any definite judgement one way or the other yet, I >thought they were still argueing about it, so I thought it was safe to >give the more romantic version, as long as I gave the other version too. > >Up to you Steve, take it out if you like. >/Neil > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: D Charles [mailto:charls@bit.net.au] >> Sent: den 24 januari 2001 07:10 >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? >> >> >> Neil, >> Let's not perpetuate the myth. There is no doubt. >> The only question is which person on the ground pulled the trigger. >> Brown and MvR are not connected. >> >> Nice link to USA with the AV8B at the end. >> David >> >> >Possibly the Camel pilot who became most famous was Roy >> Brown, he was a >> >flight >> >commander in the RFC, very experienced, and rather tired of >> the war, still >> >doing the best >> >he could. One day he was on patrol when his squadron got >> embroiled in a big >> >dogfight >> >with one of the crack german Jastas, he saw one of his >> youngsters called >> >May, going >> >down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail, and gave chase. This >> distracted >> >the Fokker >> >pilot enough to let May escape, then Roy Brown chased the >> Fokker right down >> >to low level >> >just above the trenches, finally he got in some good shots >> and the Fokker >> >crashed. >> >It turned out that the pilot of the red Fokker who was >> killed, was the red >> >baron himself >> >Manfred von Richthofen, the greatest ace of the first world war. This >> battle >> >has been >> >discussed ever since, many people say that he was shot down >> by australian >> >soldiers in >> >the trenches, but in any case it was Roy Brown who drove him >> down to that >> >dangerous low level. >> >I guess we will never know the truth. >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:48:39 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Aviatiks and Lohners Message-ID: <200101242048_MC2-C2EC-D576@compuserve.com> Andy, I've built the Lohner L Seaplane by Wings 72. I have some of the other kits you mention but have yet to build them. The Lohner L is on my web site under Austro-Hungarian. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.nbci.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 1/19/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:06:53 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Alps printers Message-ID: <001301c08673$f7786f00$7f01010a@jaring.my> Once more on the OKI/ALPS connection: OKI printers are IDENTICAL to the ALPS - as is the Citizen Aptiva series. Too, they were available at the same time, only in different countries. and the Oki printers are still in production. Only ALPS dropped the ALPS version because of "concentrating on the core competencies. And yes, if you have an ALPS, you can also use OKI cartridges, they are identical again (beside the packagin and the label) Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Wright" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Alps printers > > > Alas it seems that Alps has gone under. I scowered the internet looking for > > > anyone who still had some old stock left but all I found is one person > > > selling a used one on Ebay. > > > > > > Anyone who knows of a retail source for an MD-1000 please let me know! > > > > Didn't another company buy either the left over stock, or the rights to > > make them? Not sure who, though... > > James Gibbons thought it was Okidata, but unless someone who MODELS tells > me it's the same I'm not chancing it! > > I've got a bid for $100 on a used one on Ebay....we'll see..... > > ============================================================================ === > Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny > University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > ============================================================================ === ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:10:18 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <001e01c08673$f8f2da00$cd551a18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:08:09 -0500 (EST), diaphus wrote: > > Well, I doubt I would be judging because I would be competing - with my > correct Sgt. Rand CM MoS AI. ;-) Different scales though so no problemo! :-) > > > Thanks for the info, though. Just out of curiosity, why would a pilot > > prefer to fly a 1 gun machine when they could clearly have had two. Would > > the extra weight have impaired maneuverability/speed enough to sacrifice the > > added firepower? > > When they first appeared they were single-gun only. Shaffer truly > enjoyed the machine and was upset when they were pulled away. The > 29C.1 didn't show up until later. Huh. Well, I freely admit Allied planes are not my forte. What I DO find interesting is that the Datafile folks, who should know better, show his plane as 2 gun in BOTH color profiles! The kits going together well - kind of swaeting the struts, though as most have to be scratchbuilt - Eric's WM struts, as he freely admits, are way too flimsy. Thanks again. Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:23:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AE0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jack comments: > Huh. Well, I freely admit Allied planes are not my forte. > What I DO find > interesting is that the Datafile folks, who should know > better, show his plane as 2 gun in BOTH color profiles! The Datafiles are as good a reference as any you can buy, but neither the plans nor the profiles nor the photograph captions are infallible. The profiles are all done by RLR so I expect he'd made a different interpretation from Matt (or more likely never realised it might be so) then repeated it Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:57:45 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <00a901c0867a$982a1240$cd551a18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI > Jack comments: > > > Huh. Well, I freely admit Allied planes are not my forte. > > What I DO find > > interesting is that the Datafile folks, who should know > > better, show his plane as 2 gun in BOTH color profiles! > > The Datafiles are as good a reference as any you can buy, but neither the > plans nor the profiles nor the photograph captions are infallible. The > profiles are all done by RLR so I expect he'd made a different > interpretation from Matt (or more likely never realised it might be so) then > repeated it > > Shane > Well and good, but I'm afraid I'm stuck forging ahead with a 2 gun machine for ol' Sgt. Shaffer. My fallback position will be it fooled experts too, and I'm not an expert. Either that or stick a little bumper sticker on the plane that reads "My OTHER plane is a 27". Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:06:10 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Alps printers Message-ID: <002d01c0867b$c5cfc040$4df7303f@f4w2s5> Hi Candice, There's a converter gizmo that you can get for Euro type plugs &c. that might help you. I've had the reverse situation when I've travelled in Europe. You can find them in places that cater to people who travel. HTH Gabe -----Original Message----- From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Alps printers > >--part1_e4.100ef591.279fc091_boundary >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I thought about buying an ALPS in Europe, but then I began wondering if there >is any timing circuitry that may be upset somewhat by the 240v 50H current >they are set for in Europe. Like,,,will the 50 hz. "beat" to the 60Hz in the >US and cause any EMI problems in digital circuitry. Does anybody have any >experience in this regard? > >Candice > >--part1_e4.100ef591.279fc091_boundary >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I thought about buying an ALPS in Europe, but then I began wondering if there >
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Candice > >--part1_e4.100ef591.279fc091_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:28:39 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: <00eb01c0867e$e9790e40$4df7303f@f4w2s5> Thanks Alvie, I've often wondered if I've been painting that area correctly, and it turns out I haven't. I've never seen the Stropp plane except in the Mikesh book. Oh, well. Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Alvarado To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings >If you see the Stropp plane in person you will see that the lower wing root >stubs are exactly the same color as the fuselage (varnished blond plywood). >They look darker in the book picture due to the shadow cast on them but overhang >caused by the fuselage cross sectional contour. > >Alvie > >Limon3 wrote: > >> If you go by the Mikesh book on the Stropp plane, the stub wings seem to be >> a darker colored wood than the fuse. I doubt they would be different on the >> mauve/green wings, since they don't seem to be fabric covered. Just a >> semi-educated guess >> Gabe >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Graham Hunter >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:41 PM >> Subject: RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings >> >> ><<(Besides, the list seems dead, too.) >> > >> >.Mark.>> >> > >> > >> >Yes very quite out there. >> >gh >> > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:28:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AE1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jack, > Either that or stick a little bumper > sticker on the > plane that reads "My OTHER plane is a 27". Dammit! Diet Coke is *not* good for keyboards. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:00:15 -0600 From: "Edward Swaim" To: Subject: RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: <005d01c08680$bc31f3a0$0101a8c0@hppav> I've sure got it, so severely, in fact, that I'll run outside when I hear a radial engine or an unusual helicopter. If I'm outside, sometimes I'll run back IN to get my binoculars when I want to try to identify a high-flying jet. This disorder has paid off several times when there have been airshows in the area. I've only met one other person with this disorder. Maybe we can all get on Oprah and have her psychologist talk to us. Edward & Anna Swaim 36 Rosemont Drive Little Rock, Arkansas 72204 501-661-9879 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:48:34 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <001201c08681$b1b7f4a0$57f1aec7@default> > >Up to you Steve, take it out if you like. > >/Neil > Neil > > You are a very wise man. You took the words right out of my mouth. > Thanks. > Brad OK I can take a hint.;-) Neil and the rest of y'all who have contributed writeups, I want to thank all of you for the great work. I really appreciate it. I'm copying them all to my word processor and printing them up to go in the appropriate kits. I'll post them all when I'm done. I took the liberty of making a few adjustments to Niel's paragraph about the MvR shootdown in light of some of the posts. Bearing in mind that this is for 9 and 10 year olds, I simplified things. I believe I got something reasonably accurate at least as far as it goes. ( didn't go into the part about the barbed wire probe of the fatal wound ........sorry ;-) Y'all let me know if this sounds ok sp One famous Camel pilot was Roy Brown, he was a flight commander in the British Royal Flying Corps, very experienced, and rather tired of the war, still doing the best he could. One day he was on patrol when his squadron got in a big dogfight with the Squadron of Manfred von Richtofen, the "Red Baron". Brown saw one of his pilots, an inexperienced young man named May, going down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail,. May twisted and wove his Camel to keep the red triplane from getting a good shot at him. Roy Brown dove his Camel in a straight line after them in a derperate attempt to catch up and shoot the Fokker off his friend's tail. Roy Brown had followed May and the red Fokker down to low level just above the trenches where many of the Australian troops in the trenches fired their machine guns at the red Fokker which crash landed nearby. It turned out that the pilot of the red Fokker, who was killed, was none other than the Red Baron himself, Germany's highest scoring ace. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:52:47 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <001701c08682$49035700$1deb79a5@com> > One famous Camel pilot was Roy Brown, he was a flight commander in the > British Royal Flying Corps, very experienced, and rather tired of the war, > still doing the best he could. One day he was on patrol when his squadron > got in a big dogfight with the Squadron of Manfred von Richtofen, the "Red > Baron". Brown saw one of his pilots, an inexperienced young man named May, > going down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail,. May twisted and wove his > Camel to keep the red triplane from getting a good shot at him. Roy Brown > dove his Camel in a straight line after them in a derperate attempt to catch > up and shoot the Fokker off his friend's tail. Roy Brown had followed May > and the red Fokker down to low level just above the trenches where many of > the Australian troops in the trenches fired their machine guns at the red > Fokker which crash landed nearby. It turned out that the pilot of the red > Fokker, who was killed, was none other than the Red Baron himself, Germany's > highest scoring ace. > Me like. DB > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:09:23 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010124230923.008c7160@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Yep, Uh-huh, sure do! I have never really noticed if anyone else was looking skyward tho, as I am away looking up :) Not only at airplanes, but blimps, and even a soaring bird. There is just that "magical thing" that attracts me towards anything that flies. Rob ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3009 **********************