WWI Digest 3008 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS by "Lyle Lamboley" 2) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by "Brian Nicklas" 3) Fw: Austro Hungarian navy flying boats by "aa8." 4) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Re: Friedridactyl progress and gratitude by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: And Proud of It!! by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 8) RE: Aeroplane Reflex by "Nigel Rayner" 9) RE: Tom Morgan's MoS by "Nigel Rayner" 10) Re: ot Elks, was RE: Windless in St. John's by Jan Vihonen 11) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by ERIC HIGHT 12) Re: Aeroplane Reflex by "Dale Sebring" 13) Ebay goodies by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 14) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "Matt Bittner" 15) W29 by "Harris, Mack" 16) Re: Jerrards Camel by "Lance Krieg" 17) Re: Jerrards Camel by "Bob Pearson" 18) RE: Alps printers by Shane Weier 19) RE: Thoughts. ... by Shane Weier 20) Mister Kit paints in the USA by "Alberto Casirati" 21) Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings by "Michael S. Alvarado" 22) Re: W29 by "aa8." 23) Re: Aeroplane Reflex by GRBroman@aol.com 24) Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings by "The Shannons" 25) Re: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s by "Michael S. Alvarado" 26) Pegasus & Blue Max 2001-2002 Releases by "Laskodi" 27) Cukopckuu C-16 Pycckuu Ckayt by Todd Hayes 28) Aviatiks and Lohners by "aa8." 29) Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings by "Michael S. Alvarado" 30) Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings by "Steven M.Perry" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:51:18 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS Message-ID: <001b01c08636$b2a222a0$3d1ed03f@lylelamb> First class work, Tom. The weathering is great, the whole vignette is super. The effect of peeling paint is something a lot of modelers wouldn't dare mess with, but it brings the illusion closer. Looks like those tank models paid off. Cheers, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laskodi" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:56 AM Subject: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS > I am away from my computer that I receive list mail from so I apologize if > this is redundant, but our very own Tom Morgan has his absolutely stunning > MoS featured today at Hyperscale. Go to: > http://www.hyperscale.com/gallery/ms1tm_1.htm > Absolutely incredible, is this guy human? > Say Matt, where is that finger breaking board, I need to borrow it for a few > days! ;>} > ----------Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:52:18 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: My mother says my first word was airplane. I don't recall ever being interested in anything else. I grew up in Riverdale Maryland - home of Engineering Research Corporation - makers of the Ercoupe. The first aircraft I recall seeing and knowing what is was (rather than "that's a jet") was a trio of Convair B-58 Hustlers flying low overhead on the way to the Andrews AFB Open House one fine May afternoon. We were all walking home from school, kids dropped to thier knees holding their ears, dogs were crying in pain - and I was jumping up and down shouting "B-58s! B-58s! - More! More!" There was always traffic into Andrews and nearby College Park Airport (incl the Goodyear Blimp) and when lucky, I'd see stuff headed to National or Friendship (now BWI). Went to Transpo 72 at Dulles Airport in 10th grade and befriended the CAF guys who let me in the B-17 and other a/c, and also Blue Angel 4 who took me around in his golf cart while he saw friends - got on the flight line that way. But when I went to Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach Florida, I was somewhat disappointed that the entire student body did not turn to watch everything that lifted off the runway while walking between classes. Most of us did, but not everybody. And now, everyday, I pinch myself that I work in the same building that holds the Wright 1903 Flyer. And I still look up. Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:49:30 -0000 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Fw: Austro Hungarian navy flying boats Message-ID: <000901c08636$7ee27460$030e3c3e@tinypc> Further to my earlier E-mail. I also now believe that the Hansa Brandenburg CC is connected in it's lineage somehow to these two boats. Can anyone shed a tiny morsel of light on this. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: aa8. To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Austro Hungarian navy flying boats > Dear List > I am after information on Austro Hungarian navy flying boats. > I have on order both the Joystick Phoenix A boat and Sierra's HB W.18. > According to my ancient Harleyford Marine Aircraft Volume The two boats were > closely related, but it isn't too clear on how. > Can anyone out there help me fill in this grey area? > Also I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has built either the Sierra > kit or the Joystick kit with their thoughts on what they are like. > This is a bit of a whim project that just popped up, so I don't have much > reference material > Regards > Andy Jones > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:58:04 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/01 6:46:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << .Actually, sometime, lets try the old 3 Stooges trick - the one where the guy has been told by the chiropractor to keep his head back - and see how many people sucker for it! Gotta do it someplace crowded.... >> I do that at airshows when there's a break in the action- I'll look up with a determined squint, and everybody starts rubber-necking toward the sky. That airplane reflex? This entire house has it. The three of us have almost broken doorways on several occasions....once having lunch at the inlaws at their summer place on Lake Vanern we heard a distant rumble- we got up, ran through the doorway, got wedged (talk about Three Stooges!) and broke free just in time to see a Viggen screaming over the lake. My wife's aunt and uncle looked at us like we had jjust lost our minds....another time, another place- Oroville California, visiting with friends- another distant rumble- only this time, the three of us in concert with our friends bolted for the door, wedged again- the Five Stooges- and we made it outside in time to see an SR-71 low and slow heading into Sacramento. The best accidental sighting was when I was driving down the freeway for the first date with my wife-to-be and I see a red smear out of the corner of my eye- it was Fokker Triplane replica tootlin' along to the east, parallel to the freeway- he escorted me till my off-ramp came up. We LOVE airplane noise 'round here. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:58:06 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Friedridactyl progress and gratitude Message-ID: <7c.10af7d64.27a07fbe@aol.com> In a message dated 1/24/01 1:32:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, bucky@tokai.or.jp writes: << I think I've got enough info now to take it the rest of the way (famous last words -- I CAN HEAR YOU CHUCKLING RIGHT NOW, RK!!) >> I'm not just chuckling.....I'm guffawing....I'm laughing till I'm wheezing.....good luck! I can't wait to see this monster. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:58:07 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/01 12:31:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes: << He's not really swearing, he means Albatross. Strictly speaking we could probably do a lot more blaspheming if we just gave modern(er) stuff their old name. I'm building a Sopwith Sea Fury, I like Admirality Department Spitfires, or should that be a Wight Spitfire? Albatross 190's and Brandenburg 111's would be OK. And if I've got the convolutions of the US industry right, then a Thomas-Morse F16 would be almost OT! /Neil >> and I think somewhere in the tangled, incestous world of aircraft makers there's a DNA thread in the old North American company that comes from the American branch of Fokker. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:41:22 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: I think Brian is another who qualifies for the finger breaking machine . . .or is that just my job envy showing ;-) MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:12:54 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Aeroplane Reflex Message-ID: <000101c08639$a7306b40$983bedc1@w1o0t3> I guess we've found something that unites us all. I too look skyward whenever a prop plane passes over. I was once in a garden near Aylesbury in the UK and I heard a distant roar - looked up to see the Battle of Britain flight Lancaster, Spit and Hurri approaching at about 250ft. They flew right overhead. Mind you, it reminded me of a story my late mother told me. As an evacuee in Southern England during the second nastiness, she and a friend were in a field when a German bomber passed overhead, so low she said she could see the crew's faces. She said she was rather scared (altho the thing did not open up on them). I recalled this story as the Lanc flew over and I understood. Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:12:53 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Tom Morgan's MoS Message-ID: <000001c08639$a680f160$983bedc1@w1o0t3> > Say Matt, where is that finger breaking board, I need to borrow it for a few days! ;>} I believe Tom Morgan has it. He is superdetailing it........... An amazing build. I was impressed when I saw it in Windsock, but up close it's stunning. Tom, yout truly are not human! Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:34:42 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot Elks, was RE: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: <3A6F2E52.7AC2FCEE@helsinki.fi> Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > Yes, It should be spelled like "was" with very soft -s. You mean pronounced? Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:45:54 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010124124554.008aa800@pop.amug.org> Matt, i have looked thru the df on the ai and no where can i find that it states that shaffers flew a 27. it shows a 29 on the back cover illustration. the pictures inside look like a 29 to me. so my question is: what doc. do have that says he flew a 27? tia regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:48:44 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Aeroplane Reflex Message-ID: <001501c0863e$a9b6d5c0$91b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Rayner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Aeroplane Reflex While returing from northern Cal back home to LA in May of 1978, driving along scenic Interstate 5 somewhere just north of Bakersfield, I saw 2 specs in the sky heading north about 150 feet AGL. As they grew closer I had the pure joy of observing a Curtiss Wright Junior & a Sopwith Camel in close formation fighting a 20k headwind. Pulling off the highway to consume this incounter totally, they flew directly over my head & you could see they were quite busy with the gusts buffeting them. What a glorious moment. Regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:42:23 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ebay goodies Message-ID: Bunch of goodies on Ebay - loads of vacs (Vickers FE8 and 19) Austrian flying boat, Dufaux etc. Search for WW1 or WWI can't recall which. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:18:37 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <200101242018.MAA00989@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:55:06 -0500 (EST), ERIC HIGHT wrote: > i have looked thru the df on the ai and no where can i find that it states > that shaffers flew a 27. it shows a 29 on the back cover illustration. > the pictures inside look like a 29 to me. so my question is: what doc. do > have that says he flew a 27? tia Over the Front, Vol. 9 No. 1. There's also a photo of him in his AI pre-"bird" painting, and it's obvious it's a single-gun machine. Plus the text: "On 4 February, N 156 began replacing the old Nieuports with MoS.27s, single-gun versions of the Morane-Saulnier AI." There is also a photo (or maybe two) of him climbing into his machine in his biographical book, which I have read and looked through. Again, single-gun. In addition, look at the photos of the MSP 156 machine on page 9 in the Mini-DF. Look closely at the second photo, with the machine's tail toward the camera. Single gun. I wonder if there are different photos in the La Pegase (I think that's the magazine title) issue that carried the type. Unfortunately I can't find *anyone* who subscribes or has that issue. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:28:41 -0600 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'World War I'" Subject: W29 Message-ID: Anyone have a copy of the instructions for the Sierra Scale models HB W29? If you do and wouldn't mind a quick fax please contact me off line. Thanks Mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:44:41 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Jerrards Camel Message-ID: Volker - B5648 was one of the Ruston Proctor batch of 100 delivered in December, 1917. All in this batch used the 130 HP Clerget 9B. The machine was sent to France, and from there to Italy in February, 1918. I assume it followed the usual Ruston Proctor marking practices well illustrated in the Albatros Fabric Special on British Aeroplane colo(u)rs... black fin serial and "lift here" markings. The Bob Pearson profile in the VC book shows a lot of over painting from the usual practices, so perhaps Legs has already provided all of this data. Don't forget the "imp" transfers on struts! It would appear that his VC was awarded based on a rather exaggerated account by his flight-mates, and may have been something of an embarrassment to the man after the war. The FMP VC book gives full particulars, and is an interesting read. Anyone have opinions on this? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:55:13 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jerrards Camel Message-ID: <200101242209.OAA24624@mail.rapidnet.net> Here is my blurb on B5468 in the VC book "B5648 was finished as per Ruston Proctor practice of overall PC10 with cowl and side panels painted the same. No.66 Squadron's marking consisted of a vertical white bar forward of the fuselage roundel and a horizontal stripe from the roundel to the leading edge of the tailplane. B5648 carried the flight letter 'E' on fuselage sides and was repeated on the upper wing centre section. In addition the roundels of the upper wing had their white portions roughly smudged out using either paint or dirt. Ruston Proctor put their serials on the fin in black, later replaced by grey although many units gave the serial a thin white outline." Bob ---------- >From: "Lance Krieg" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Jerrards Camel >Date: Wed, Jan 24, 2001, 12:47 pm > > Volker - > > B5648 was one of the Ruston Proctor batch of 100 delivered in December, > 1917. All in this batch used the 130 HP Clerget 9B. The machine was sent > to France, and from there to Italy in February, 1918. > > I assume it followed the usual Ruston Proctor marking practices well > illustrated in the Albatros Fabric Special on British Aeroplane > colo(u)rs... black fin serial and "lift here" markings. The Bob Pearson > profile in the VC book shows a lot of over painting from the usual > practices, so perhaps Legs has already provided all of this data. Don't > forget the "imp" transfers on struts! > > It would appear that his VC was awarded based on a rather exaggerated > account by his flight-mates, and may have been something of an > embarrassment to the man after the war. The FMP VC book gives full > particulars, and is an interesting read. Anyone have opinions on this? > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:18:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Alps printers Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AD7@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Candice asks: > I thought about buying an ALPS in Europe, but then I began > wondering if there > is any timing circuitry that may be upset somewhat by the > 240v 50H current > they are set for in Europe. Like,,,will the 50 hz. "beat" to > the 60Hz in the > US and cause any EMI problems in digital circuitry. Does > anybody have any > experience in this regard? Ermm, yes, me. The vast majority of consumer electronic devices sold today are designed to be used in any country, either by flipping a switch, or by replacing only the power supply unit on the production line to make a different voltage unit. The power supply frequency should be of no consequence to the *digital* electronic, since it's invariable converted to a DC voltage (or voltages) by the power supply Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:21:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AD8@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ray, > Just so everyone knows Vegemites relation Marmite has a yellow top!! So does Vegemite. AND it's the proper shade. Plus those of weak constitution eating it have been known to turn a nice shade of (olive) green. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:23:28 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Mister Kit paints in the USA Message-ID: <009701c0864d$191cde60$2f0c623e@s> I received permission from Mister Kit to announce that their acrylic paints will soon be distributed in the USA by Pacific Coast Models (www.pacmodels.com). Happy modelling ! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:48:55 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: <3A6F4DC6.7338A161@bellatlantic.net> If you see the Stropp plane in person you will see that the lower wing root stubs are exactly the same color as the fuselage (varnished blond plywood). They look darker in the book picture due to the shadow cast on them but overhang caused by the fuselage cross sectional contour. Alvie Limon3 wrote: > If you go by the Mikesh book on the Stropp plane, the stub wings seem to be > a darker colored wood than the fuse. I doubt they would be different on the > mauve/green wings, since they don't seem to be fabric covered. Just a > semi-educated guess > Gabe > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Hunter > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:41 PM > Subject: RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings > > ><<(Besides, the list seems dead, too.) > > > >.Mark.>> > > > > > >Yes very quite out there. > >gh > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:11:32 -0000 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Re: W29 Message-ID: <002201c08652$bb562880$9e123c3e@tinypc> Mack I have the kit and the instructions. I've tried E-mailing you but it came straight back. Please E-mail so I can pick up on your address. I think the Sierra W.29 is still the best around. Kind Regards Andy Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: Harris, Mack To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: W29 > Anyone have a copy of the instructions for the Sierra Scale models HB W29? > If you do and wouldn't mind a quick fax please contact me off line. > Thanks > Mack > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:20:56 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aeroplane Reflex Message-ID: <67.eccd5e2.27a0af48@aol.com> It's hereditary. My dad, who flew on RCAF Lancasters used to take me to the Portland airport to watch planes come and go back almost 40 or so years ago. There were occasions during the Cuban Missile crisis days when we would watch the alert F-102's launch on intercepts out over the Pacific. They would tear down the runway all flames and smoke and then a while later would come the sonic booms as they climbed out over the Columbia River Valley. Given the times, also a little scary. I still look up and I still sit and watch them come in on final, only now I critique the approach :). One of the most impressive sights I've seen? An entire Brigade of the 101st Airborne in the air at one time. I've seen it from below and I've seen it from the middle. The sound and spectacle is truly impressive when looking up. The ballet like quality can only be appreciated from the middle. Airplanes are cool. And remember, a bad day flying is always better than a good day at work. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:35:22 -0600 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: <000f01c08655$fbfedd20$78a9343f@shark> I probably should have specified, since I was talking about the gray fuselaged Jasta 5 birds, that I was wondering about when they painted the fuselage. I wasn't sure in the green-lilac camo birds if the underside and top camouflage got onto the stubs, I didn't think so. But when they painted the fuselage, did they extend the paint onto the stubs or do we know? .Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings > Gabe says: > > > If you go by the Mikesh book on the Stropp plane, the stub > > wings seem to be > > a darker colored wood than the fuse. I doubt they would be > > different on the > > mauve/green wings, since they don't seem to be fabric covered. Just a > > semi-educated guess > > I've run my hand over this part of D.5390/17 - it's wood, and original, and > pretty much the same colour as the rest of her fuselage excepting that > there's a bit of oil staining like you'll see along the joints in the ply > under the engine. > > Not too sure whether Stropp has original ply in this area, so the colour may > not be instructive. I *do* know (according to Mikesh) that most of the > fuselage ply had to be replaced in her quite magnificent restoration, just > not whether the wing roots were affected without looking at the book. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:31:08 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s Message-ID: <3A6F57AB.5E441455@bellatlantic.net> Glad to be of help. Alvie Graham Hunter wrote: > Thanks Alvie, > Very concise answer. I answered part of my question last night when I looked > at the detail drawings in the Data File [I knew I should have looked at it > again first] which show the inside framing and the two layers of plywood. > Thanks for teh Albatros/Pfalz comparison ;-) > Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:44:37 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "Post WW1 List" Subject: Pegasus & Blue Max 2001-2002 Releases Message-ID: <000801c08657$3b79f920$543819d0@laskodi> Some of this is old news but in my just arrived order from Blue Max they included a flyer announcing their future releases. (All prices in British Pounds) Pegasus 1/72 (Dinky Bittner Scale) PEG2021 SPAD XII 11.99 PEG2022 Halberstadt D.II 11.99 PEG2023 AIRCO D.H.5 11.99 PEG3009 Vickers Gun Bus 12.99 PEG4012 Bristol F2b Fighter 13.99 Blue Max 1/48 (Manly Bob Scale) BM115 Bristol M.1.C Monoplane 21.99 BM116 Phonix D-1 21.99 BM117 L.F.G. Roland D-VIb 21.99 BM204 L.V.G. C.VI 24.99 Also some additional decals that I won't bother to list Of note, the Silver Cloud Series has only one release the Supermarine Seafang. ----------------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:46:41 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Cukopckuu C-16 Pycckuu Ckayt Message-ID: <20010124224641.57136.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, I just received the original Russian book on the Sikorskii S.16 by Polygon Press. Interesting. Is this the same as the English language Sikorskii book by FMP? I also have a copy of the FMP book on the way. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:13:56 -0000 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Aviatiks and Lohners Message-ID: <000f01c0865b$725828a0$73253c3e@tinypc> Dear list users Has any manufacturer ever done a kit of an Austro -Hungarian Lohner? This could be any scale, any medium. Lohner's B.II through to B.VII. Also Has anyone out there bought or built the Joystick Aviatik B.II? Is this the Austro Hungarian version? I wonder all this because I would like to lavish Americal/Gryphon sheet 70 on one of each. Andy Jones ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:12:17 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: <3A6F6151.393C6992@bellatlantic.net> I've always assumed that if the fuselage was painted ex-factory that the lower wing stubs were painted as well (provided the fuselage in that area was painted). Alvie The Shannons wrote: > I probably should have specified, since I was talking about the gray > fuselaged Jasta 5 birds, that I was wondering about when they painted the > fuselage. I wasn't sure in the green-lilac camo birds if the underside and > top camouflage got onto the stubs, I didn't think so. > > But when they painted the fuselage, did they extend the paint onto the stubs > or do we know? > > .Mark. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:05 PM > Subject: RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings > > > Gabe says: > > > > > If you go by the Mikesh book on the Stropp plane, the stub > > > wings seem to be > > > a darker colored wood than the fuse. I doubt they would be > > > different on the > > > mauve/green wings, since they don't seem to be fabric covered. Just a > > > semi-educated guess > > > > I've run my hand over this part of D.5390/17 - it's wood, and original, > and > > pretty much the same colour as the rest of her fuselage excepting that > > there's a bit of oil staining like you'll see along the joints in the ply > > under the engine. > > > > Not too sure whether Stropp has original ply in this area, so the colour > may > > not be instructive. I *do* know (according to Mikesh) that most of the > > fuselage ply had to be replaced in her quite magnificent restoration, just > > not whether the wing roots were affected without looking at the book. > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > > phone: Australia 1800500646 > > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:26:35 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: <002901c0865d$18862960$b3f3aec7@default> > But when they painted the fuselage, did they extend the paint onto the stubs > or do we know? Fabric covered wing panels are generally doped and painted off the airframe, at least in the EAA chapters I have been involved with. They are placed on sawhorses at about waist level and are relatively easy to work on that way. The detachable wing panels, much in evidence in the WWI period, were likely handled in the same way. Overall fuselage painting, if done, would probably have happened with the wings off and the stubs would have been painted too. Strictly a surmise on my part, but a likely one I think. YMMV sp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3008 **********************