WWI Digest 3007 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? by Crawford Neil 2) Re: Alps printers by Allan Wright 3) RE: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s by "Graham Hunter" 4) RE: Eduad Opinions??? by "Graham Hunter" 5) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "diaphus" 8) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "Matt Bittner" 9) RE: Thoughts. ... by "Ray Boorman" 10) Re: "Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes" by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 11) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 12) Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS by "Laskodi" 13) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 14) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by "Mike Dicianna" 15) Re: ot Elks, was RE: Windless in St. John's by Witold Kozakiewicz 16) RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup by "Ray Boorman" 17) RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup by Crawford Neil 18) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 19) RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 20) Japanese shipborne aircraft by Friedrich Kappes 21) Re:Re:What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads up by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 22) Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? by "Ken Acosta" 23) Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS by "Matt Bittner" 24) Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 25) Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS by "TOM PLESHA" 26) RE: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS by "Dave Watts" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:02:02 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: Yes that's the problem with really old a/c, it's got to be near perfect weather for them, that's what makes it so memorable when you actually see them in the air. I agree about that feeling of lightness, the better the model, the more you see that. Another thing about all aircraft up to about Boeing 737 size is the feeling of smallnes, and how (almost) hand-made they feel. Up close you can see panels that don't quite fit, oil stains, lots of tiny things that we love, but the flying public hate. I like flying 737's, but anything bigger begins to be more like going by car or bus. I still like it though, you get to go to airports. Must be wonderful living near Shuttleworth, we live fairly close to our cities second airport. It was fine till the parachute-club got a Short Skyvan, nowadays I find it difficult agreeing with TC and sp. about people complaining. I haven't actually complained yet, but I can well understand the local anti-airport movement, the problem is that they don't realise it's one aircraft making 90% of the noise. Actually we built our house here because the road is very curvy, well banked and with a clear view, perfect for motorbiking, a purely sub- conscious choice of course;-) /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: aa8. [mailto:aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk] > Sent: den 24 januari 2001 12:35 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? > > > Despite what I said about my Norfolk boyhood earlier my all time best > aviation memories all come from Shuttleworth. I first went > there when I was > seven and been a regular ever since. > The best three are watching the LVG C.VI fly right over me > early one morning > and seeing it's perfect plan from below. > or > watching the Avro 504K being wheeled from it's hangar and > noticing how the > breeze shook the airframe giving it a feeling of lightness > that us modellers > strive for but rarely manage to impart to our models (well at least I > don't). > or > having the 1912 Blackburn monoplane fly past so close on a > perfect summer > evening (very few and far between) that you can smell the > Castrol 'R' from > the 50hp Gnome exhaust. > I live 20 minutes from the collection. When we bought our house it was > strictly a decision based on finance and professional needs, > but one wonders > if the sub-conscious wasn't at work thinking only 20 minutes away!! > regards > Andy Jones > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:29:05 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Alps printers Message-ID: <200101241429.JAA17602@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > > Alas it seems that Alps has gone under. I scowered the internet looking for > > anyone who still had some old stock left but all I found is one person > > selling a used one on Ebay. > > > > Anyone who knows of a retail source for an MD-1000 please let me know! > > Didn't another company buy either the left over stock, or the rights to > make them? Not sure who, though... James Gibbons thought it was Okidata, but unless someone who MODELS tells me it's the same I'm not chancing it! I've got a bid for $100 on a used one on Ebay....we'll see..... =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:31:16 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s Message-ID: <000001c08612$504f9520$fa0101c0@grahamh> Thanks Alvie, Very concise answer. I answered part of my question last night when I looked at the detail drawings in the Data File [I knew I should have looked at it again first] which show the inside framing and the two layers of plywood. Thanks for teh Albatros/Pfalz comparison ;-) Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:36:25 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Eduad Opinions??? Message-ID: <000101c08613$08665a40$fa0101c0@grahamh> One profi kit that is worth it is the Sopwith Triplane - Russian It has a very nice resin Clerget. Tom's right about the Pfalz PE. It is nothing to write home about. Although the control horns are quite nice... Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:40:47 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: <001501c08613$a7cceea0$eaeb79a5@com> > Hi all, > I was wondering how any of y'all just automatically look up when you > hear any kind of aircraft flying over head? I know I do it at least 95% > of the time. Maybe more. And while I'm been making mental note of how > often I look up, I've also been noticing how seldom other people look > up. Hey Bub, Hell, I'm guilty as charged here, and I'm proud - seeing as about 90% of the population doesn't know an airplane from a submarine. It's that 'reflex' that allowed me to see some really cool stuff fly overhead: once after I moved to Birmingham I heard a droning -looked up and saw the B-17 'Nine O' Nine' fly overhead! Years earlier when I was working and living in N.O., I heard an ungodly racket in the sky: the last flying Ju-52 flew over (God, it was LOUD!!!). Looking up when I heard planes (I can easily identify military vs. civilian turbines) has allowed me to see really cool things. As for the rest of the world, let 'em keep looking down. It's the only way they can avoid stepping in a big pile of sh*t. DB ...Actually, sometime, lets try the old 3 Stooges trick - the one where the guy has been told by the chiropractor to keep his head back - and see how many people sucker for it! Gotta do it someplace crowded.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:52:52 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <004d01c08615$568a18e0$eaeb79a5@com> Neil wrote: > I tried to be non-commital, because I really haven't a clue myself. But > I think you are a bit unfair saying that Brown and MvR weren't > connected, surely they were in the same dogfight, and if anyone made MvR > break his own golden rule and fly too low, it was Brown (and May). I'd say more 'Wop' May than Brown. MvR was apparently so intent on catching May that Brown was able to close the considerable distance (MvR and May were weaving quite a bit - May, to get a certain Rittmeister off his six). May flew low, and whether or not Brown was even able to serve as an adequate distraction is debatable). MvR was also still suffering from his head wound, and his behavior had noticeably changed, although we will never know if this had any affect on him (was he suffering from a Mannock-like self-mortality?). And as we all know, MvR took a single round through the pump and went in. Interesting that MvR's status amongst his enemy has kept his legend, that he was bested in air-to-air combat, alive. I guess that folks just don't like Australians... DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:03:06 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <001d01c08616$c2379940$d3551a18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 4:46 AM Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI > Underside aluminum. However, be aware if you build the CSM kit out of > the box you won't be building an accurate machine for Shaffer. He flew > the Type 27C.1, which was a single gun machine, while the kit out of > the box represents either a two gun 29C.1, or a trainer 30C.1. > Unfortunately this area has alluded me since becoming interested in - > and building the CM 1/72nd kit of - the MoS Type AI. I don't *think* > it's as easy as filling in the two gun locations and sitting the single > gun on top. I *think* the "hump" was left and the single gun was > buried in it. However, like I said, I still have to see a clear enough > picture of this area to truly make it out. Sorry to throw rain on your > parade... > > > Matt Bittner > > CRAP! I KNEW I should have gone with the Belgian machine. Oh well, I'm gonna build it as boxed and hope I'm never in a contest that you are judging :-) However, both Datafile profiles of Shaffer's machine show it as a 2 gun machine! Thanks for the info, though. Just out of curiosity, why would a pilot prefer to fly a 1 gun machine when they could clearly have had two. Would the extra weight have impaired maneuverability/speed enough to sacrifice the added firepower? Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:13:30 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <200101241513.HAA16320@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:08:09 -0500 (EST), diaphus wrote: > CRAP! I KNEW I should have gone with the Belgian machine. Oh well, I'm > gonna build it as boxed and hope I'm never in a contest that you are judging > :-) However, both Datafile profiles of Shaffer's machine show it as a 2 gun > machine! Well, I doubt I would be judging because I would be competing - with my correct Sgt. Rand CM MoS AI. ;-) > Thanks for the info, though. Just out of curiosity, why would a pilot > prefer to fly a 1 gun machine when they could clearly have had two. Would > the extra weight have impaired maneuverability/speed enough to sacrifice the > added firepower? When they first appeared they were single-gun only. Shaffer truly enjoyed the machine and was upset when they were pulled away. The 29C.1 didn't show up until later. >From all accounts, the AI was the best machine of the war, baring one fact - it shed its wing on very forceful manuevers. The current thinking is wing flutter, but they knew of no such thing back then. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:29:49 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: Just so everyone knows Vegemites relation Marmite has a yellow top!! Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Steven M.Perry > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:10 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Thoughts. ... > > > > > Shane, > > > > I've asked before (not you personally) but what IS > > vegemite?!! > > > > Todd > > It's a mind altering substance. Under it's influence one looses > the ability > to distinguish between Olive and Yellow > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:39:56 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes" Message-ID: Hi Folks, On the subject of OT book hunting. I picked up this book for my "reference collection" a while back at one of the local librarys. I remembered this book from years ago and when I saw it on the shelf, grabbed it. I checked it out and saw that I was the first person in almost 6 years to check out the book!!! I inquired about this with the librarian and when she mentioned that they would probably be pulling it from the shelf, I aked if I could buy it, as they generally have a library sale once or twice a year with these low to no demand books. She went one better and said I could have it!!! I gave a $10 donation to the library and voila! Library sales are a great source of old, out of print books. You can usually get them for a donation if there is little or no demand as the library wants to reclaim shelf space. I have acquired several books in this manner. Many, which sell for obscene prices on places such as ABE, have been obtained for as little as $2(one of the Harleyford books!!!!) at a library book sale. Where do you think these "antique" book dealers get their books. They go to these sales, many of which offer a "patron only" session where you become a patron of the library, for a fee of course, and have the pick of the sale the day or nite before it is open to the public!!! They pay $2, $3, $5, whatever for these books and then list them for 10, 20 or 30 times that amount. I know, I have done this a couple of times and seen the dealers there. Once, I picked up several hundred dollars worth of ot ship references, such as "Flush Decks and Four Pipes", by John Alden which regularly shows up at $75+. I paid $3 for it. The "patron" fee was $45. Admission paid!! Not something you want to do all of the time, though. Keep an eye out in your area for the library sales. A good way to build your reference collection. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:25:52 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: Every time I hear anything (other than jets) up go the eyes. If I hear a radial up go the eyes as i drop everything and race outside to gawk. . .nearly got killed doing that when a Catalina cruised in over my folks place for a water pick up. (They used to live next to a lake). Most memorable time was in England years ago. HEard the unmistakable "parp, parp" sound of a rotary engine being "blipped" prior to landing. Only caught a glimpse to assure me that no I wasn't loosing my mind and yes it was indeed a WWI bird, but not long enough to identify. (IT was silver IIRC. Maybe a Nieuport of some type) Guess some lucky SOB had a replica nearby. Never did manage to track it down. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:47:18 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "Post WW1 List" Subject: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS Message-ID: <000801c0861c$ef5671c0$423819d0@laskodi> I am away from my computer that I receive list mail from so I apologize if this is redundant, but our very own Tom Morgan has his absolutely stunning MoS featured today at Hyperscale. Go to: http://www.hyperscale.com/gallery/ms1tm_1.htm Absolutely incredible, is this guy human? Say Matt, where is that finger breaking board, I need to borrow it for a few days! ;>} ----------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:40:41 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: All these notes remind me of my school days in Wiltshire (southern England). I was at boarding school smack dab in the middle of three or four airbases. With both US birds and RAF beasties around the skies above were my playground. I'd climb this enormous Douglas fir tree (couple of hundred years old so it was a good 150 feet plus tall) lean back and watch Handley Page Victors cruise over head, Sepcat jaguars roar past, a brace of A-10's dogfighting. It was the early 1980s so you could still see hawker Hunters, the odd Vulcan and even a swarm of Gnats stoodge past. Most memorable was when I heard this strange whistling getting closer. I looked around just as (bang) a Herc roared over. I know it was a good height above me but I swear I felt it's breath, tasted the fumes and felt the engines in my chest. I;'m still amazed I didn't fall out of the tree. I was 10 and I count that (backed up by a visit the following weekend to the last International Air Tattoo at Greenham Common) as the month I became an aeroplane person. (How could I not, on the way home from the Tattoo in my Uncle's TR6 with the top down, we enjoyed the traffic jam as we watched everything from a galaxy to a Tiger Moth to the Hurri/Lanc/Spit flight heading off overhead. I tell you, it as the best traffic jam I've ever been in. Since then as I've gotten older and more crumudgeonly, I've moved away from the tin cans (though fighter engines still make me look up). Now my motto is fairly simple - If it's got a prop it's a plane - if it's got a round engine and two wings it's a REAL plane!!! Hmmm, wonder if I can buy a retirement home near old Rhinebeck?? MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:07:40 -0800 From: "Mike Dicianna" To: Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: <00e201c0861f$c80edfa0$53a5bdcf@pavilion> Look up! Yes indeed. I spend a lot of time outdoors in my job and am constantly searching the skies. One of the times I am particularly in tune to the skies is during the "air show season" during summer. Living along the I-5 corridor in Oregon, I will be treated by the occasional warbird flying from one event to another. Looked up last summer to see a B-25 flying in formation with a couple of nicely restored Mustangs on their way somewhere!! A real treat during the workday. MikeDC "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:45:05 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot Elks, was RE: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: <3A6E9611.E90686E3@bg.am.lodz.pl> Crawford Neil: >... and for our Polish friends is the Polish for > Elk really "Los", Yes, It should be spelled like "was" with very soft -s. And proper write using Polish nationals charachters is Łoś, "L" crossed with bar and "s" with apostrophe like French accent aigu (') - can be found on Jadar website on model box http://www.jadar.com.pl/html/firmy/mirage/48132.htm. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:26:35 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup Message-ID: I'm sending this to both the list and Shane and Lorna, since they may have already have unsubscribed. I have been on this list off and on since 1995, in that time I have learned an awful lot, expanded my book collection out of all proportion with a considerable negative effect on my bank balance ;) and met an awful lot of very nice people who were denizens of the list. Whilst I respect Shane and Lorna's decision I would hope that they rethink it before finally unsubscribing. This list could have become a very dry side note of the internet, it didn't one of the many reasons was the postings of such an eclectic and light hearted group of which Shane and Lorna were very much a part. Whilst there have been spats and some off list discussion the list has for the most part stayed civilized, well we do have to put up with Ernest but hey nothings perfect eh. One of the great things about the list, is its not dominated by any particular nation or slant. I am on other lists and on many it would seem that only one country and Viewpoint exists, that is not nor ever has been true of this list. Its people like Shane the Elder, Cam, Len Smith, Bob Pearson (who figuratively lives just up the road in Canuck miles) and many others who have added to this balance. Shane and Lorna also figure in this mix, I beleive we all have gained from the many viewpoints new perspecives on the era we model. There have also been some darned humorous events on this list which for me added to the value of the list. (In this day and age of hi stress and not enought time we all need humor). Anyway I just hope that Shane and Lorna don't unsub for good and that we all think before we commit venomous or personally offensive viewpoints on the list. This list is above that type of posting and we all have the responsibility of maintaining that level. Sorry just my opinion. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:36:35 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup Message-ID: Seconded/Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Boorman [mailto:Ray_Boorman@telus.net] > Sent: den 24 januari 2001 17:37 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup > > > I'm sending this to both the list and Shane and Lorna, since > they may have > already have unsubscribed. I have been on this list off and > on since 1995, > in that time I have learned an awful lot, expanded my book > collection out of > all proportion with a considerable negative effect on my bank > balance ;) and > met an awful lot of very nice people who were denizens of the list. > > Whilst I respect Shane and Lorna's decision I would hope that > they rethink > it before finally unsubscribing. This list could have become > a very dry side > note of the internet, it didn't one of the many reasons was > the postings of > such an eclectic and light hearted group of which Shane and > Lorna were very > much a part. Whilst there have been spats and some off list > discussion the > list has for the most part stayed civilized, well we do have > to put up with > Ernest but hey nothings perfect eh. One of the great things > about the list, > is its not dominated by any particular nation or slant. I am > on other lists > and on many it would seem that only one country and Viewpoint > exists, that > is not nor ever has been true of this list. Its people like > Shane the Elder, > Cam, Len Smith, Bob Pearson (who figuratively lives just up > the road in > Canuck miles) and many others who have added to this balance. > Shane and > Lorna also figure in this mix, I beleive we all have gained > from the many > viewpoints new perspecives on the era we model. There have > also been some > darned humorous events on this list which for me added to the > value of the > list. (In this day and age of hi stress and not enought time > we all need > humor). > > Anyway I just hope that Shane and Lorna don't unsub for good > and that we all > think before we commit venomous or personally offensive > viewpoints on the > list. This list is above that type of posting and we all have the > responsibility of maintaining that level. > > Sorry just my opinion. Ray > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:30:14 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: E, >>And it's kinda disturbing when I'm in a crowd, and I'll hear an airplane. And I look up, but know one else will. And if I don't spot it immediately, and I have to scan for it, someone else may notice me looking up, and they'll say, "It's just an airplane". As if it were just a rock, or a stump in the woods, or any other common, everyday, non-acheivement. As if the ability to design, and build an airplane, to fly an airplane, The ability to solve the mysteries of the physical world that make flight possible, as if all these things were as common as the reflex of the heart beat, or respiration. Or looking to the sky. How dare they say, "just an airplane"?<< I ALWAYS look up!!!!!! If someone says it's "just an airplane", I say 'Yeah, that's why I'm looking UP!!!'. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:22:38 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup Message-ID: And thirded. . .in spades. - MVJ >Seconded/Neil > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ray Boorman [mailto:Ray_Boorman@telus.net] >> Sent: den 24 januari 2001 17:37 >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: RE: Sopwith and proposed Giant cookup >> >> >> I'm sending this to both the list and Shane and Lorna, since >> they may have >> already have unsubscribed. I have been on this list off and >> on since 1995, >> in that time I have learned an awful lot, expanded my book >> collection out of >> all proportion with a considerable negative effect on my bank >> balance ;) and >> met an awful lot of very nice people who were denizens of the list. >> >> Whilst I respect Shane and Lorna's decision I would hope that >> they rethink >> it before finally unsubscribing. This list could have become >> a very dry side >> note of the internet, it didn't one of the many reasons was >> the postings of >> such an eclectic and light hearted group of which Shane and >> Lorna were very >> much a part. Whilst there have been spats and some off list >> discussion the >> list has for the most part stayed civilized, well we do have >> to put up with >> Ernest but hey nothings perfect eh. One of the great things >> about the list, >> is its not dominated by any particular nation or slant. I am >> on other lists >> and on many it would seem that only one country and Viewpoint >> exists, that >> is not nor ever has been true of this list. Its people like >> Shane the Elder, >> Cam, Len Smith, Bob Pearson (who figuratively lives just up >> the road in >> Canuck miles) and many others who have added to this balance. >> Shane and >> Lorna also figure in this mix, I beleive we all have gained >> from the many >> viewpoints new perspecives on the era we model. There have >> also been some >> darned humorous events on this list which for me added to the >> value of the >> list. (In this day and age of hi stress and not enought time >> we all need >> humor). >> >> Anyway I just hope that Shane and Lorna don't unsub for good >> and that we all >> think before we commit venomous or personally offensive >> viewpoints on the >> list. This list is above that type of posting and we all have the >> responsibility of maintaining that level. >> >> Sorry just my opinion. Ray >> ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 01 17:50:00 MET From: Friedrich Kappes To: , , , Subject: Japanese shipborne aircraft Message-ID: <20010124165000.28133.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net> Please: Who can supply me with these information on Japanese shipborne aircraft? Yokusuka E1Y1: line drawing, armament, entry into service Kawanishi E5K1: line drawing, armament, entry into service Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes Lots of nice links, pictures (photos, drawings, ...), book reviews, literature aids, a dictionary,... ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:49:45 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:Re:What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads up Message-ID: C'mon folks, Lighten up about this....Not easliy offended???? Sheeeeesh!!! I've seen little old ladies less easily offended!!!!! While I don't always agree with TC's posts on certain subjects, there is still a FIRST AMENDMENT that allows people a lot of leeway in how they say things.....I too have had pleasant experiences in dealing with Chris Gannon. He has responded promptly and I have had absolutely no problem in getting replacement wings for the one kit(among many) I have purchased from him that had "ripple" in them. He stands behind his products as one would expect with products of this type and price. While Tom's reviews can seem a little heavy-handed at times, he is correct when he says that manufacturers should be held to a minimum standard. I don't know of the back and forth between him and Chris G.; that is a "he said-she said" between them. But, I do feel Chris at Blue Max certainly meets that standard as he is willing to stand behind his products. I guess Tom "calls them as he sees them". I do agree also with his statement that if these products weren't good, they would be ignored. Read the reviews, gather additional info and THEN MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND instead of whinig about "how Mr. Cleaver says things......" Just be glad that we have A LOT of folks in this forum who take the time to provide us with the entire gamut of info on OT kits, which are not exactly "bustin' down the doors" in popularity, instead of just bitching and blowing hot air by whinig and complaining. Turning off contributors, unless they get nasty or obscene, is not good for our small segment of the hobby. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:59:19 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Re: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: TC writes: "(there should be a law: you buy a house within 3 miles of an airport, you have to sign 'I was warned an airport was in the vicinity and bought here anyway, thereby forfeiting my right to be a moron anytime in the future and all my legal rights.')" One summer when I was in college, my folks moved from Springfield, VA down to Woodbridge, about 20 miles south. They bought a house that was only a couple of miles from Woodbridge airport, a little 1800-foot strip. When I came home from school that summer, I would take the car and park at the end of the runway and just watch the Cessnas and Pipers come and go. My perch was close enough that I was able to see the fuel cap drop off of the wing of an Archer one day, trot down the embankment to pick it up, then get the pilot's attention and put it back on. I can't count the hours I spent that summer just watching the planes. I became quite the technique critic, which was a pretty mean feat since I couldn't yet do it myself. Anyway, suburban Washington DC housing subdivisions were multiplying like rabbits and sprang up around the airport, some immediately beneath the final approach paths. Needless to say, the airport is no longer there. It was gone by the following summer. Newer subdivisions now occupy the same land and there isn't the slightest indication that an airport ever existed there. As I found out, the residents living under the approach/departure paths complained loud enough and to the right folks that they didn't feel safe with "those things" flying so closely overhead and could they please move. Sad. KA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:33:18 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS Message-ID: <200101241733.JAA24968@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:56:06 -0500 (EST), Laskodi wrote: > I am away from my computer that I receive list mail from so I apologize if > this is redundant, but our very own Tom Morgan has his absolutely stunning > MoS featured today at Hyperscale. Go to: > http://www.hyperscale.com/gallery/ms1tm_1.htm > Absolutely incredible, is this guy human? > Say Matt, where is that finger breaking board, I need to borrow it for a few > days! ;>} No doubt! What a stunner!! Is Tom still on the list? Hopefully, because I have a few questions and a point to raise. The first is the point. Someone tell HS that it's a Type I, and not a Type "1". Almost as bad as everyone calling the Type AI (aye-eye) a Type A1 (aye-one). Blech! :-) Now the questions. Tell me what you based your cockpit on - enquiring minds and all. How did you do the wonderful springs for the skis? I tried this on an off topic VVS bipe, and while it looks good, it's far from perfect. Keep up the great work, and I'm glad you don't build in my scale! Bad enough we have the likes of Hustad and Alberto to contend with. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:52:42 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS Message-ID: <82.5efe16c.27a0706a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/24/01 10:54:03 AM EST, laskodi@launchnet.com writes: << http://www.hyperscale.com/gallery/ms1tm_1.htm >> This is a *serious* stunner! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:00:36 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS Message-ID: <000701c0862f$8eedade0$93434c0c@tom> unbelievable, it is beautiful. Tom P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:56:06 -0500 (EST), Laskodi wrote: > > > I am away from my computer that I receive list mail from so I apologize if > > this is redundant, but our very own Tom Morgan has his absolutely stunning > > MoS featured today at Hyperscale. Go to: > > http://www.hyperscale.com/gallery/ms1tm_1.htm > > Absolutely incredible, is this guy human? > > Say Matt, where is that finger breaking board, I need to borrow it for a few > > days! ;>} > > No doubt! What a stunner!! Is Tom still on the list? Hopefully, > because I have a few questions and a point to raise. > > The first is the point. Someone tell HS that it's a Type I, and not a > Type "1". Almost as bad as everyone calling the Type AI (aye-eye) a > Type A1 (aye-one). Blech! :-) > > Now the questions. Tell me what you based your cockpit on - enquiring > minds and all. How did you do the wonderful springs for the skis? I > tried this on an off topic VVS bipe, and while it looks good, it's far > from perfect. > > Keep up the great work, and I'm glad you don't build in my scale! Bad > enough we have the likes of Hustad and Alberto to contend with. ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:21:21 -0500 From: "Dave Watts" To: Subject: RE: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS Message-ID: This is when "modelling" has transcended well into art! Congratulations, and thank you for sharing. Best, Dave Watts -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of TOM PLESHA Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS unbelievable, it is beautiful. Tom P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Tom Morgan's Stunning MoS > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:56:06 -0500 (EST), Laskodi wrote: > > > I am away from my computer that I receive list mail from so I apologize if > > this is redundant, but our very own Tom Morgan has his absolutely stunning > > MoS featured today at Hyperscale. Go to: > > http://www.hyperscale.com/gallery/ms1tm_1.htm > > Absolutely incredible, is this guy human? > > Say Matt, where is that finger breaking board, I need to borrow it for a few > > days! ;>} > > No doubt! What a stunner!! Is Tom still on the list? Hopefully, > because I have a few questions and a point to raise. > > The first is the point. Someone tell HS that it's a Type I, and not a > Type "1". Almost as bad as everyone calling the Type AI (aye-eye) a > Type A1 (aye-one). Blech! :-) > > Now the questions. Tell me what you based your cockpit on - enquiring > minds and all. How did you do the wonderful springs for the skis? I > tried this on an off topic VVS bipe, and while it looks good, it's far > from perfect. > > Keep up the great work, and I'm glad you don't build in my scale! Bad > enough we have the likes of Hustad and Alberto to contend with. ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3007 **********************