WWI Digest 3005 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: something funny by "Tom Solinski" 2) Re: Cheap kits by "Steven M.Perry" 3) Re: Cheap kits by "cameron rile" 4) RE: And Proud of It!! by "Ray Boorman" 5) Re: What about McCudden's DH.2? by "Bob Pearson" 6) Re: Alps printers by CAUhlir@aol.com 7) Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by "diaphus" 8) Re: Painting Real WWI A/C by Mike Fletcher 9) RE: Thoughts. ... by Todd Hayes 10) Re:What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads up by DNSH@aol.com 11) Re: What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads-up by DNSH@aol.com 12) RE: Thoughts. ... by "Gaston Graf" 13) Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? by "D Charles" 14) RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 15) Do you have the airplane reflex? by Ernest Thomas 16) RE: Alps printers by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 17) Re: What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads up by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 18) RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:48:34 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: something funny Message-ID: <004301c085b0$28c4d360$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> Then again there's the Stephen Wright line "If pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of progress?" SPAD etc Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: something funny > A friend just sent this. > > TC > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of > Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:55:03 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Cheap kits Message-ID: <00f201c085b1$0d1bb880$eaf9aec7@default> I respectfully disagree. > It depends on whether you have more fun building it or looking at the > finished product. {snip} Right now I'm working on a Glencoe A-H Alb. I know some of the > purists in the group would rather slash their wrists than even open the box, > but I'm having a blast. And after all, that's the whole point, isn't it? I agree with Ken. I take more pleasure in making a crumby kit into a decent model thn assembling a "dream kit". I have one each of the DML series unbuilt on the shelf, but I look forward to my Waldo Dolphin with far more anticipation. (the Dolphin isn't a crunby kit Peter, just a bit of a fixer-upper ;-) I guess there's more room in a less than perfect kit for me to put something of myself into it than a shake the box type kit. I guess I'm more comfortable trying to make something better than trying not to screw up something nice. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:23:32 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cheap kits Message-ID: <676D8446771F4D115A750005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> Hi Ken, >Sorry for the late reply, but I'm in digest >mode. lol me too, like timing F1 with sundials :) >It depends on whether you have more fun >building it or looking at the finished >product. Umm I like both, I like gawking at my little collection of solid planes but I also like building them. I dont build only occasionly build with a hardcore reference, like a datafile. I think maybe I am p***ed off that I havent been able to spend as much time (since work has been buring the fuel in my tank) doing fiddly little stuff as I would like, and an Eduard or Toko streamlines the build process in comparison to an Esci/Revell. >Plus, when you're a beginner like I am, >I think it's better to bugger up a cheap kit Your not alone Ken ;) >I have no idea if it "looks right" or not. >My only gauge is whether or not it looks >good (to me.) I will have to mail you my DVII effort! I think I will make Micheal Kendix look at it and pass judgement. I dont know my Esci DVII just doesnt look right, and I have seen a few differant real size DVII's now too. Rigging a DVII is a major PITA, what a let down, I dont think it should be called a WWI aeroplane! :) cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:08:42 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: Dont swear!! ;) Cyg posted > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > John & Allison Cyganowski > Focke-Wulf. > > Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:04:20 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What about McCudden's DH.2? Message-ID: <200101240620.WAA27211@mail.rapidnet.net> Nope & nope. Do we know the serial of it? Bob ---------- >From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: What about McCudden's DH.2? >Date: Tue, Jan 23, 2001, 6:32 pm > > Say, after a previous thread yesterday(?) I was wondering has anyone > profiled McCudden's D.H2? Are there any photos of this ship? > > Regards, > Cyg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:22:25 EST From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Alps printers Message-ID: --part1_e4.100ef591.279fc091_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought about buying an ALPS in Europe, but then I began wondering if there is any timing circuitry that may be upset somewhat by the 240v 50H current they are set for in Europe. Like,,,will the 50 hz. "beat" to the 60Hz in the US and cause any EMI problems in digital circuitry. Does anybody have any experience in this regard? Candice --part1_e4.100ef591.279fc091_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought about buying an ALPS in Europe, but then I began wondering if there
is any timing circuitry that may be upset somewhat by the 240v 50H current
they are set for in Europe.  Like,,,will the 50 hz. "beat" to the 60Hz in the
US and cause any EMI problems in digital circuitry.   Does anybody have any
experience in this regard?

Candice --part1_e4.100ef591.279fc091_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:23:37 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: <00e701c085c5$ce272fa0$d3551a18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Häusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:45 PM Subject: RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI > Jack, > > good question! Yes, the DF shows aluminum wheels. However, the original > drawing in WS 8/3 (which contains an article both on the AI and one on Rufus > Rand) shows light blue wheels. Strangely, the source photos mentioned in the > DF ("page 9") are NOT THERE! I´m sure I´ve seen some photos of this > aircraft, but where? the "Foreign Legion of the Air" series in WS or the > "Plumage" series in C&C? > Volker, Is the light blue shown the same as the blue in the national insignia markings or different? Is it possible that the wheel covers were molded aluminum that were later painted the light blue, thus accounting for both colors? Thanks for your help. Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:38:17 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Painting Real WWI A/C Message-ID: <3A6E6A49.5FC9B7FF@mars.ark.com> Early instances of the silver were brushed (17/21/23) while later (17bis/24/24bis/27) appear to have been sprayed. Brush marks and inconsistancies common with brushing (blotches and streak) are the norm on shots of Nieuport 17's, while the later types have the very smooth finish only readily attainable with a spray gun. No difference shows with non-metallic colours. Mike MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: > > --part1_5e.63d8c73.279f816c_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Jack, they did have spray painting at the time, and it was used on aircraft. > The cloth was doped before it was painted, at least in every case I have read > (as the dope was used to size and tauten the fabric, painting it first would > probably not work) The Nieuport Datafiles seem to indicate the camo on French > planes was brushed, but the 'silver' sprayed(?). I don't remember if masking > tape had been invented yet, but cloth or paper masks were used. > Merrill > > --part1_5e.63d8c73.279f816c_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Jack, they did have spray painting at the time, and it was used on aircraft.   >
The cloth was doped before it was painted, at least in every case I have read >
(as the dope was used to size and tauten the fabric, painting it first would >
probably not work) The Nieuport Datafiles seem to indicate the camo on French >
planes was brushed, but the 'silver' sprayed(?). I don't remember if masking >
tape had been invented yet, but cloth or paper masks were used. >
Merrill >
>
> > --part1_5e.63d8c73.279f816c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:45:56 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: <20010124054556.29533.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Shane, I've asked before (not you personally) but what IS vegemite?!! Todd --- Shane Weier wrote: > Bob, > > > > Lozenge, Voss' cowl, MvR red, silbergrau, > Bf10thingies, list > > band, TC's > > rants, latest OTF (WS and/or C&C). .. The new kit > is > > good/bad. ..... where's my SMO flyer . (whoops, > that's RMS). .. > > You left out possums, Vegemite and *Legs* > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:46:23 EST From: DNSH@aol.com To: Subject: Re:What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads up Message-ID: ------_Part_3a6e6c30-023b-71bd-010203040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Listees and Mr. Cleaver, In an off line E-mail to another member, I stated that I thought this thread was dying and that I had said all that I was going to say about this subject. However, Mr. Cleaver's most recent E-mail is a prime example of what I was pointing out in my original E-mail, and I unfortunately must go back on my word and make further comment. For this, I apologize. Mr. Cleaver states, "I have reviewed my posts, and there are two ways you come to that: a) a belief that any criticism of a manufacturer is a statement of dislike of the product, or b) as a victim lf modern mis-education, you just don't know how to read and understand English." First of all, this is a clear example of one of Mr. Cleaver's E-mails that are solely designed to provoke a reaction, and it clearly has done so with me. Secondly, I have to conclude that Mr. Cleaver falls into category "b" as he clearly did not understand what I wrote. I take exception with how Mr. Cleaver says things, and this recent E-mail is an example. The above quoted sentence is entirely unnecessary. It is designed solely to goad people into accepting his belief. Either you don't understand the definition of criticism, or you're too stupid to understand English. There's no possible way that anybody could come to the conclusion that he hates Pegasus based on his scathing attacks, is there? My next area of contention falls on Mr. Cleaver's statement that, "As to the 'personal attacks,' allow me to say that when a manufacturer repeatedly hears this same point of criticism from a myriad of sources, (if I tell you something is wrong, that's my opinion - if ten different people tell you the same thing is wrong, it's a fact) and refuses to deal with the facts, one can come to the conclusion that this person might hold the customer in contempt." Many people on the list have stated that Mr. Gannon has responded to them about the "wing ripple" and has offered to replace parts. Further, based on my correspondence with Mr. Gannon, he has clearly explained the cause of the "wing ripple" to Mr. Cleaver. Where is the unresponsiveness and contempt? Finally, based on Mr. Cleaver's logic, since I have received over ten off line e-mails and have read numerous on line e-mails stating that he rants and is rude, then that too must be a fact. Right? Mr. Cleaver claims that being rude is the prerogative of the (professional) writer. I take exception to that in this forum. Mr. Cleaver is not a professional writer in this forum, or at least I hope not based on the grammar, punctuation, and syntax errors in his E-mails. Please don't take this as a personal attack, because I feel it's more of an indictment of everybody's lack of attention to detail when using E-mail. To conclude, I'm not easily offended. I earn my living as a supervising probation officer and it takes a lot to offend me. I also don't think it should be necessary nor do I want to killfile anyone on the list. I feel everybody has valuable information. I have no problem arguing over what Mr. Cleaver says, but I will always take exception to how it is said when it is inappropriate. This will be my last post on the subject. There is just too much modeling to be done. Take care, Dan Hartz ------_Part_3a6e6c30-023b-71bd-010203040506 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: DNSH@aol.com Full-name: DNSH Message-ID: <54.f156694.279fc4d5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:40:37 EST Subject: (no subject) To: DNSH@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_e6.107fc35c.279fc4d5_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 --part2_e6.107fc35c.279fc4d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Listees and Mr. Cleaver, In an off line E-mail to another member, I stated that I thought this thread= =20 was dying and that I had said all that I was going to say about this subject= .=20 However, Mr. Cleaver's most recent E-mail is a prime example of what I was pointing=20 out in my original E-mail, and I unfortunately must go back on my word and=20 make further comment. For this, I apologize. Mr. Cleaver states, "I have reviewed my posts, and there are two ways you=20 come to that: a) a belief that any criticism of a manufacturer is a statemen= t=20 of dislike of the product, or b) as a victim lf modern mis-education, you=20 just don't know how to read and understand English." First of all, this is=20= a=20 clear example of one of Mr. Cleaver's E-mails that are solely designed to=20 provoke a reaction, and it clearly has done so with me. Secondly, I have to=20 conclude that Mr. Cleaver falls into category "b" as he clearly did not=20 understand what I wrote. I take exception with how Mr. Cleaver says things,= =20 and this recent E-mail is an example. The above quoted sentence is entirely= =20 unnecessary. It is designed solely to goad people into accepting his belief= .=20 Either you don't understand the definition of criticism, or you're too=20 stupid to understand English. There's no possible way that anybody could=20 come to the conclusion that he hates Pegasus based on his scathing attacks,=20 is there?=20 =A0 My next area of contention falls on Mr. Cleaver's statement that, "As to th= e=20 'personal attacks,' allow me to say that when a manufacturer repeatedly hear= s=20 this same point of criticism from a myriad of sources, (if I tell you=20 something is wrong, that's my opinion - if ten different people tell you the= =20 same thing is wrong, it's a fact) and refuses to deal with the facts, one ca= n=20 come to the conclusion that this person might hold the customer in contempt.= "=20 Many people on the list have stated that Mr. Gannon has responded to them=20 about the "wing ripple" and has offered to replace parts. Further, based on=20 my correspondence with Mr. Gannon, he has clearly explained the cause of the= =20 "wing ripple" to Mr. Cleaver. Where is the unresponsiveness and contempt? =20 Finally, based on Mr. Cleaver's logic, since I have received over ten off=20 line e-mails and have read numerous on line e-mails stating that he rants an= d=20 is rude, then that too must be a fact. Right? Mr. Cleaver claims that being rude is the prerogative of the (professional)=20 writer. I take exception to that in this forum. Mr. Cleaver is not a=20 professional writer in this forum, or at least I hope not based on the=20 grammar, punctuation, and syntax errors in his E-mails. Please don't take=20 this as a personal attack, because I feel it's more of an indictment of=20 everybody's lack of attention to detail when using E-mail. =20 To conclude, I'm not easily offended. I earn my living as a supervising=20 probation officer and it takes a lot to offend me. I also don't think it=20 should be necessary nor do I want to killfile anyone on the list. I feel=20 everybody has valuable information. I have no problem arguing over what Mr.= =20 Cleaver says, but I will always take exception to how it is said when it is=20 inappropriate. This will be my last post on the subject. There is just too= =20 much modeling to be done. Take care, Dan Hartz --part2_e6.107fc35c.279fc4d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Listees and Mr. Cleaver,

In an off line E-mail to another member, I stated that I thought this th= read=20
was dying and that I had said all that I was going to say about this sub= ject.=20
However,
Mr. Cleaver's most recent E-mail is a prime example of what I was pointi= ng=20
out in my original E-mail, and I unfortunately must go back on my word a= nd=20
make further comment.  For this, I apologize.

Mr. Cleaver states, "I have reviewed my posts, and there are two ways yo= u=20
come to that: a) a belief that any criticism of a manufacturer is a stat= ement=20
of dislike of the product, or b) as a victim lf modern mis-education, yo= u=20
just don't know how to read and understand English."  First of all,= this is a=20
clear example of one of Mr. Cleaver's E-mails that are solely designed t= o=20
provoke a reaction, and it clearly has done so with me. Secondly, I have= to=20
conclude that Mr. Cleaver falls into category "b" as he clearly did not=20
understand what I wrote.  I take exception with how Mr. Cleaver say= s things,=20
and this recent E-mail is an example.  The above quoted sentence is= entirely=20
unnecessary.  It is designed solely to goad people into accepting h= is belief.=20
 Either you don't understand the definition of criticism, or you're= too=20
stupid to understand English.  There's no possible way that anybody= could=20
come to the conclusion that he hates Pegasus based on his scathing attac= ks,=20
is there?=20
=A0
My next area of contention falls on Mr. Cleaver's statement that,  = "As to the=20
'personal attacks,' allow me to say that when a manufacturer repeatedly=20= hears=20
this same point of criticism from a myriad of sources, (if I tell you=20
something is wrong, that's my opinion - if ten different people tell you= the=20
same thing is wrong, it's a fact) and refuses to deal with the facts, on= e can=20
come to the conclusion that this person might hold the customer in conte= mpt."=20
 Many people on the list have stated that Mr. Gannon has responded=20= to them=20
about the "wing ripple" and has offered to replace parts. Further, based= on=20
my correspondence with Mr. Gannon, he has clearly explained the cause of= the=20
"wing ripple" to Mr. Cleaver.  Where is the unresponsiveness and co= ntempt?  
Finally, based on Mr. Cleaver's logic, since I have received over ten= off=20
line e-mails and have read numerous on line e-mails stating that he rant= s and=20
is rude, then that too must be a fact. Right?

Mr. Cleaver claims that being rude is the prerogative of the (profession= al)=20
writer.  I take exception to that in this forum.  Mr. Cleaver=20= is not a=20
professional writer in this forum, or at least I hope not based on the=20
grammar, punctuation, and syntax errors in his E-mails.  Please don= 't take=20
this as a personal attack, because I feel it's more of an indictment of=20
everybody's lack of attention to detail when using E-mail.  

To conclude, I'm not easily offended.  I earn my living as a superv= ising=20
probation officer and it takes a lot to offend me.  I also don't th= ink it=20
should be necessary nor do I want to killfile anyone on the list.  = I feel=20
everybody has valuable information.  I have no problem arguing over= what Mr.=20
Cleaver says, but I will always take exception to how it is said when it= is=20
inappropriate.  This will be my last post on the subject.  The= re is just too=20
much modeling to be done.

Take care,
Dan Hartz --part2_e6.107fc35c.279fc4d5_boundary-- ------_Part_3a6e6c30-023b-71bd-010203040506-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:56:20 EST From: DNSH@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads-up Message-ID: --part1_a7.b157698.279fc884_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the repetition of the same information at the end of my last e-mail. I'm still trying to get a handle on sending e-mails without HTML. AOL certainly doesn't make it easy. Take care, Dan Hartz --part1_a7.b157698.279fc884_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the repetition of the same information at the end of my last
e-mail.  I'm still trying to get a handle on sending e-mails without HTML.  
AOL certainly doesn't make it easy.

Take care,
Dan Hartz --part1_a7.b157698.279fc884_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:58:14 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: Urrrrgssss........... I saw the question about vegemite atleast as often on this list as the queston about the yellow cowl appeared. Maybe the special paint for the yellow cowl was based on veggiemite or whatever, being the reason for it looking like OLIVE on all of the pictures??? I wonder... up the irons Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Todd Hayes > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:53 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Thoughts. ... > > > Shane, > > I've asked before (not you personally) but what IS > vegemite?!! > > Todd > > --- Shane Weier wrote: > > Bob, > > > > > > > Lozenge, Voss' cowl, MvR red, silbergrau, > > Bf10thingies, list > > > band, TC's > > > rants, latest OTF (WS and/or C&C). .. The new kit > > is > > > good/bad. ..... where's my SMO flyer . (whoops, > > that's RMS). .. > > > > You left out possums, Vegemite and *Legs* > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > The information contained in this e-mail is > > confidential and is > > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > > distribution or > > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > > requested to > > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > > the > > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > > phone: Australia 1800500646 > > > ********************************************************************** > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:37:15 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel- Brown? Message-ID: <01e001c085cb$279e1260$da2ad7d2@charls> Neil, Let's not perpetuate the myth. There is no doubt. The only question is which person on the ground pulled the trigger. Brown and MvR are not connected. Nice link to USA with the AV8B at the end. David >Possibly the Camel pilot who became most famous was Roy Brown, he was a >flight >commander in the RFC, very experienced, and rather tired of the war, still >doing the best >he could. One day he was on patrol when his squadron got embroiled in a big >dogfight >with one of the crack german Jastas, he saw one of his youngsters called >May, going >down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail, and gave chase. This distracted >the Fokker >pilot enough to let May escape, then Roy Brown chased the Fokker right down >to low level >just above the trenches, finally he got in some good shots and the Fokker >crashed. >It turned out that the pilot of the red Fokker who was killed, was the red >baron himself >Manfred von Richthofen, the greatest ace of the first world war. This battle >has been >discussed ever since, many people say that he was shot down by australian >soldiers in >the trenches, but in any case it was Roy Brown who drove him down to that >dangerous low level. >I guess we will never know the truth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:16:57 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI Message-ID: Jack, in the WS 8/3 profile it is the same blue as on the rudder, with the wheel blue shown as flaking off, showing some green behind (or is this showing dirt ON the blue disk?). Whatever, I think only some photographic evidence will finally prove the point. Now where the hell are those photos? Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of diaphus Sent: 24 January 2001 12:32 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Häusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:45 PM Subject: RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI > Jack, > > good question! Yes, the DF shows aluminum wheels. However, the original > drawing in WS 8/3 (which contains an article both on the AI and one on Rufus > Rand) shows light blue wheels. Strangely, the source photos mentioned in the > DF ("page 9") are NOT THERE! I´m sure I´ve seen some photos of this > aircraft, but where? the "Foreign Legion of the Air" series in WS or the > "Plumage" series in C&C? > Volker, Is the light blue shown the same as the blue in the national insignia markings or different? Is it possible that the wheel covers were molded aluminum that were later painted the light blue, thus accounting for both colors? Thanks for your help. Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:08:19 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: The List Subject: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: <3A6E7153.93D58A29@bellsouth.net> Hi all, I was wondering how any of y'all just automatically look up when you hear any kind of aircraft flying over head? I know I do it at least 95% of the time. Maybe more. And while I'm been making mental note of how often I look up, I've also been noticing how seldom other people look up. And it's kinda disturbing when I'm in a crowd, and I'll hear an airplane. And I look up, but know one else will. And if I don't spot it immediately, and I have to scan for it, someone else may notice me looking up, and they'll say, "It's just an airplane". As if it were just a rock, or a stump in the woods, or any other common, everyday, non-acheivement. As if the ability to design, and build an airplane, to fly an airplane, The ability to solve the mysteries of the physical world that make flight possible, as if all these things were as common as the reflex of the heart beat, or respiration. Or looking to the sky. How dare they say, "just an airplane"? E. PS, sorry if I got all 'NPR' on you. wasn't my intent. just happened. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:20:04 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Alps printers Message-ID: Candice, the ALPS MD 1000 was sold as a printer using "110 to 240 V, 50 to 60 Hz"; however the MD 5000 was shown as usiing only 110 V. My OKI DP 5000 claims it needs "220-240 V, 50-60 Hz". So I think the MD 1000 and its twins should not pose any problems. If we believe OKI, the frequency difference is no problems, but the voltage is - even though one easy to solve. Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of CAUhlir@aol.com Sent: 24 January 2001 12:30 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Alps printers --part1_e4.100ef591.279fc091_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought about buying an ALPS in Europe, but then I began wondering if there is any timing circuitry that may be upset somewhat by the 240v 50H current they are set for in Europe. Like,,,will the 50 hz. "beat" to the 60Hz in the US and cause any EMI problems in digital circuitry. Does anybody have any experience in this regard? Candice --part1_e4.100ef591.279fc091_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought about buying an ALPS in Europe, but then I began wondering if there
is any timing circuitry that may be upset somewhat by the 240v 50H current
they are set for in Europe.  Like,,,will the 50 hz. "beat" to the 60Hz in the
US and cause any EMI problems in digital circuitry.   Does anybody have any
experience in this regard?

Candice --part1_e4.100ef591.279fc091_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:21:54 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads up Message-ID: <64.a9589e1.279fdc92@aol.com> In a message dated 1/24/01 0:55:33 AM EST, DNSH@aol.com writes: << First of all, this is a clear example of one of Mr. Cleaver's E-mails that are solely designed to provoke a reaction, and it clearly has done so with me. >> Dan, you have just proven my point. Immediately after I commented that someone would have to not understand English, I very pointedly took that out of contention because I truly believe that anyone smart enough to find this site and intelligent enough to love WW1 modeling would not be guilty of that problem. If you think that I then attacked you, you need to figure out why you feel that, because that was not what was going on. Had I posted in response to you immediately after I read you (when my response was to unsub the list, privately e-mail my friends that I was tired of the "marching morons", and ask Matt Bittner to remove my name and my pages from the site - all of which I did), you might have an argument that way. I was - until I read your post - ready to find some way where people with strong opinions in opposition might find some point in common. Your desire to find a fight does not get you what you want. No longer. Go back to BabbittLand, where you belong! You are now a First: the first ListMember whose e-mail goes in my killfile from now on. I was thinking of awarding a certain Texan that honor, but he is a reasonable individual with good reason for what he says. Not you. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:33:25 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Do you have the airplane reflex? Message-ID: Yuk - I lookup whenever I hear an aircraft I cannot identify by its noise. 737s, A-300, 747, Fokker F27, etc - these are all known, but whenever a piston engine aircraft or a small aircraft comest along, my eyes search the sky for it. There's no nicer sound that the sound of a propeller driven aircraft! And the most beautiful sound of all is the sound of a Supermarine Spitfire, IMHO.... well, right after the sound of a Cessna 172... Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Hi all, > I was wondering how any of y'all just automatically look up when you > hear any kind of aircraft flying over head? I know I do it at least 95% > of the time. Maybe more. And while I'm been making mental note of how > often I look up, I've also been noticing how seldom other people look > up. > And it's kinda disturbing when I'm in a crowd, and I'll hear an > airplane. And I look up, but know one else will. And if I don't spot it > immediately, and I have to scan for it, someone else may notice me > looking up, and they'll say, "It's just an airplane". As if it were just > a rock, or a stump in the woods, or any other common, everyday, > non-acheivement. As if the ability to design, and build an airplane, to > fly an airplane, The ability to solve the mysteries of the physical > world that make flight possible, as if all these things were as common > as the reflex of the heart beat, or respiration. Or looking to the sky. > How dare they say, "just an airplane"? > E. > PS, sorry if I got all 'NPR' on you. wasn't my intent. just happened. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3005 **********************