WWI Digest 3004

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit
	by cfrieden@calpoly.edu
  2) Painting Real WWI A/C
	by "diaphus" <diaphus@tampabay.rr.com>
  3) Re: Thoughts. ...
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
  4) Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI
	by "diaphus" <diaphus@tampabay.rr.com>
  5) Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings
	by MAnde72343@aol.com
  6) Re: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s
	by MAnde72343@aol.com
  7) Re: Eduad Opinions???
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
  8) Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings
	by "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>
  9) Re: Painting Real WWI A/C
	by MAnde72343@aol.com
 10) Re: Painting Real WWI A/C
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 11) Re: Thoughts. ...
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 12) RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 13) Re: Eduad Opinions???
	by "David Calhoun" <dcalhoun01@snet.net>
 14) Re: Thoughts. ...
	by "Tom Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
 15) Alps printers
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 16) Re: Eduad Opinions???
	by "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 17) TOE SCALE allert!  1/24 Alb D-V
	by "Tom Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
 18) RE: TOE SCALE allert!  1/24 Alb D-V
	by Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
 19) Re: Eduad Opinions???
	by "Tom Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
 20) RE: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s
	by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
 21) Re: Eduad Opinions???
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 22) Cheap kits
	by "Ken Zelnick" <kzelnick@cox-internet.com>
 23) Re: Eduad Opinions???
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 24) something funny
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 25) Re: Eduad Opinions???
	by "diaphus" <diaphus@tampabay.rr.com>
 26) What about McCudden's DH.2?
	by "John & Allison Cyganowski" <janah@worldnet.att.net>
 27) RE: Alps printers
	by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
 28) RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI
	by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:26:54 -0800
From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu
Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit
Message-ID: <H0003a2c06548b84@MHS>

Thanks to all who answered,

You guys confirmed my suspicions that this was left open.  Even if it is hard 
to see I will be replacing the Eduard bulkhead, for I am young and foolish.  
(After a few more decades of experience I shall be able to say that I am old 
and foolish).  I think I even know where I can borrow a battle lantern from...

Chris Friedenbach


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:32:14 -0500
From: "diaphus" <diaphus@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Painting Real WWI A/C
Message-ID: <005b01c0859d$19f4b0c0$d3551a18@tampabay.rr.com>

After seeing the myriad arguments about paint colors, etc. and while
painting my tricolor Morane Saulnier AI wing, I got to thinking about the
actual process of painting aircraft during WWI.

Did the paint typically go on over doped and lacquered fabric, with an outer
application of varnish or shellac or whatever, or was the fabric painted,
then lacquered?  Were the various color schemes hand painted with brushes
using stencils and masks or did they actually have spray application in
those days?  I'm suspecting paint brushes because I've never seen anything
that looks like a soft mottle or soft edge along the boundaries of different
paint colors.

Just thought I'd try a thread I haven't seen since I've been on list,
although I'm sure it has been discussed at some point.

Jack Gartner
diaphus@tampabay.rr.com


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:33:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Thoughts. ...
Message-ID: <20010124003327.69746.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com>

Dave,

Speaking of The Blue Max, I watch it last night and
realized just how bad (read that inaccurate) a movie
it is.  Entertaining yes it is; but it gives a highly
distorted view of the German Lufsteitskraefte.

Todd

--- DAVID BURKE <dora9@sprynet.com> wrote:
> 
> Pearson Just Had To Say:
> 
> > Too quiet you say. . okay howzabout. .
> >
> > Lozenge, Voss' cowl, MvR red, silbergrau,
> Bf10thingies, list band, TC's
> > rants, latest OTF (WS and/or C&C). .. The new kit
> is good/bad. .....
> where's
> > my SMO flyer . (whoops, that's RMS). ..
> >
> > Bob
> 
> Dammit Bob!  I fell off of my chair!
> 
> Went and did something dumb: stopped off and bought
> a bunch of movies.  Two
> OT (Blue Max and Gallipoli), two ot (Kelly's Heroes
> and Battle of Britain)
> and one timeless (Bringing Up Baby).  Dumb because I
> have to pack them too!
> 
>     Pearson, one more smart remark like that and I'm
> suing you for whatever
> bodily injuries I sustain (and I warn you, that
> Canada/US thing won't work,
> me boyo!)
> 
> 
> :-D
> 
> 
> DB
> 


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:35:31 -0500
From: "diaphus" <diaphus@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI
Message-ID: <006301c0859d$900b6740$d3551a18@tampabay.rr.com>

Quick question:  What color were the wheel hubs for this plane?  The CSM
instruction sheet shows them as French blue.  I've got a xerox of the
Datafile page which suggests a light non-blue color.  Would it be aluminum
like the wing and fuselage undersides or something else?

TIA.

Jack Gartner
diaphus@tampabay.rr.com


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:35:18 EST
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings
Message-ID: <91.5ebe66d.279f7d46@aol.com>


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Pictures I've seen would tend to indicate "natural wood", as they were part 
of the fuselage, but...
Merrill



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Pictures I've seen would tend to indicate "natural wood", as they were part 
<BR>of the fuselage, but...
<BR>Merrill
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:31:20 EST
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s
Message-ID: <de.f429f69.279f7c58@aol.com>


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The Pfalz fuselage was formed in halves over a (male?) mold, of alternate 
layers of plywood strips and fabric, which were joined over formers made of 
wood and plywood; there were some interior bracing strips (I think mostly to 
mount instruments and fittings, and to add insurance at key points)) but I'm 
sure the former behind the pilot's seat was a 'solid' bulkhead, with metal 
fittings 'grommets'  for the control cables to pass through.  
Merrill 


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>The Pfalz fuselage was formed in halves over a (male?) mold, of alternate 
<BR>layers of plywood strips and fabric, which were joined over formers made of 
<BR>wood and plywood; there were some interior bracing strips (I think mostly to 
<BR>mount instruments and fittings, and to add insurance at key points)) but I'm 
<BR>sure the former behind the pilot's seat was a 'solid' bulkhead, with metal 
<BR>fittings 'grommets' &nbsp;for the control cables to pass through. &nbsp;
<BR>Merrill 
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:39:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions???
Message-ID: <20010124003903.70554.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Toms,

The "Late Version" (8044) also has the rounded lower
wing tips.

Todd

--- TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/23/01 6:10:38 PM EST,
> tskio4@home.com writes:
> 
> <<  So what is the major
>  difference in a "profi" kit over  a standard one? 
> Is there a different
>  fuselage in the Pfalz D-IIIA early and late kits?
>   >>
> 
> With regard to the Pfalz D.IIIa kits, the difference
> between the profi and 
> non-profi kits isn't that much, oither than you get
> both lower wings in the 
> profi kit.  The p-e isn't that big a deal IMNSHO. 
> If you want to do a Pfalz 
> with the rounded lower wingtips, the Profi's the
> only one that has it, 
> however.
> 
> HTH
> 
> TC


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:46:24 -0800
From: "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings
Message-ID: <006201c0859f$14384460$c0f7303f@f4w2s5>

If you go  by the Mikesh book on the Stropp plane, the stub wings seem to be
a darker colored wood than the fuse.  I doubt they would be different on the
mauve/green wings, since they don't seem to be fabric covered.  Just a
semi-educated guess
Gabe
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Hunter <ghunter@pangea.ca>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings


><<(Besides, the list seems dead, too.)
>
>.Mark.>>
>
>
>Yes very quite out there.
>gh
>
>




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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:53:00 EST
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Painting Real WWI A/C
Message-ID: <5e.63d8c73.279f816c@aol.com>


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Jack, they did have spray painting at the time, and it was used on aircraft.  
The cloth was doped before it was painted, at least in every case I have read 
(as the dope was used to size and tauten the fabric, painting it first would 
probably not work) The Nieuport Datafiles seem to indicate the camo on French 
planes was brushed, but the 'silver' sprayed(?). I don't remember if masking 
tape had been invented yet, but cloth or paper masks were used.
Merrill



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Jack, they did have spray painting at the time, and it was used on aircraft. &nbsp;
<BR>The cloth was doped before it was painted, at least in every case I have read 
<BR>(as the dope was used to size and tauten the fabric, painting it first would 
<BR>probably not work) The Nieuport Datafiles seem to indicate the camo on French 
<BR>planes was brushed, but the 'silver' sprayed(?). I don't remember if masking 
<BR>tape had been invented yet, but cloth or paper masks were used.
<BR>Merrill
<BR>
<BR></FONT></HTML>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:51:34 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Painting Real WWI A/C
Message-ID: <002201c085a0$2add9480$87e979a5@com>


> After seeing the myriad arguments about paint colors, etc. and while
> painting my tricolor Morane Saulnier AI wing, I got to thinking about the
> actual process of painting aircraft during WWI.
>

Well Jack,

    I dunno about then, but they finished doing the Fokker D.VII here a
little while back here at the Southern Museum of Aviation.  The under-wing
loz was PAINTED with epoxy enamel and done by manually masking each color
and spraying it!  Looks damned good too!

                                                                        DB


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:53:47 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Thoughts. ...
Message-ID: <002301c085a0$2b9dd740$87e979a5@com>



> Dave,
>
> Speaking of The Blue Max, I watch it last night and
> realized just how bad (read that inaccurate) a movie
> it is.  Entertaining yes it is; but it gives a highly
> distorted view of the German Lufsteitskraefte.
>
> Todd

Yeah, like I bought it for the story, the acting or the other movie-ish
CRAPOLA.

    I bought it for the planes, the uniforms, and other period gear!

    Also so's I could see my new friend at work (the D.VII that's at the
SMF).

                                                                        DB


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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:00:46 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AC9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Gabe says:

> If you go  by the Mikesh book on the Stropp plane, the stub 
> wings seem to be
> a darker colored wood than the fuse.  I doubt they would be 
> different on the
> mauve/green wings, since they don't seem to be fabric covered.  Just a
> semi-educated guess

I've run my hand over this part of D.5390/17 - it's wood, and original, and
pretty much the same colour as the rest of her fuselage excepting that
there's a bit of oil staining like you'll see along the joints in the ply
under the engine.

Not too sure whether Stropp has original ply in this area, so the colour may
not be instructive. I *do* know (according to Mikesh) that most of the
fuselage ply had to be replaced in her quite magnificent restoration, just
not whether the wing roots were affected without looking at the book.

Shane


















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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:16:18 -0800
From: "David Calhoun" <dcalhoun01@snet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions???
Message-ID: <00a801c085bc$67f61420$310b3ccc@oemcomputer>

The Profipack has a photoetch set & extra decals as well as extra decals.
The Pfalz early & late have only different lower wings & decals, the
Profipack has both lower wings.
Dave Calhoun
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:12 PM
Subject: Eduad Opinions???


> Hi all!
>
> Well, it's pay day and all this money is burning a hole in my pocket.  So
> I'm considering filling out my Eduard collection.  So what is the major
> difference in a "profi" kit over  a standard one?  Is there a different
> fuselage in the Pfalz D-IIIA early and late kits?
>
> Board Oklahoma minds want to know
> Thanks
> Tom S
>



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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:30:15 -0600
From: "Tom Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Thoughts. ...
Message-ID: <003401c085a5$3ba76ca0$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com>

The latest Fine Scale Modeler has a review of the F.1 kit and the reviewer
did it with yellow cowl and tail.

Looks nice

Gaston, tell your visitor to paint it $@^$@$@^%#$*((^)(_ RED!

Tom S
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaston Graf <ggraf@vo.lu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: Thoughts. ...


> Warning...Warning...Warning...
>
> there was a visitor of my website who placed a request for help at my
little
> forum because he wants to build an RC model of a Fokker Dr1 but is still
> unsure whether he shall paint its cowl YELLOW or OLIVE... I will kindly
> recommend him to please join this noble list so he can discuss the topic
> with the experts here. I am sure he'll find an answer.
>
> tataaaaaa.........(running for cover)
>
> Gaston Graf
> 18 Viichtener Strooss
> L-8620 Schandel
> Luxembourg
> Europe
> email: ggraf@vo.lu <mailto:ggraf@vo.lu>
> website: http://www.jastaboelcke.de <http://www.jastaboelcke.de/>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
> > Bob Pearson
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:57 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: Thoughts. ...
> >
> >
> > Too quiet you say. . okay howzabout. .
> >
> > Lozenge, Voss' cowl, MvR red, silbergrau, Bf10thingies, list band, TC's
> > rants, latest OTF (WS and/or C&C). .. The new kit is good/bad.
> > ..... where's
> > my SMO flyer . (whoops, that's RMS). ..
> >
> > Bob
>


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:35:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: Alps printers
Message-ID: <200101240135.UAA13776@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

Alas it seems that Alps has gone under. I scowered the internet looking for
anyone who still had some old stock left but all I found is one person 
selling a used one on Ebay.

Anyone who knows of a retail source for an MD-1000 please let me know!

Thanks,
Al

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:34:27 -0500
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions???
Message-ID: <002b01c085a5$cb97dfc0$eaf9aec7@default>

How did they come up with the name Profipack? Being used to US marketing
hype, I'd expect a name like Extra or Deluxe printed on the box. Profipack
sounds more like something to entice the distributors, not the end
customers. Perhaps a poor translation into English? Is anyone familiar
enough with the Czech language to comment on this?

A bored mind in Fla wants to know. (Yes Tom, in spite of appeaances to the
contrary we do have minds in Florida ;-)
sp


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:46:26 -0600
From: "Tom Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: TOE SCALE allert!  1/24 Alb D-V
Message-ID: <009a01c085a7$79426180$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=543927222

Ok you REALLY blind guyes, or ones having hangers for your kits,  This one's
going fast

Tom S


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:48:30 -0600
From: Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: TOE SCALE allert!  1/24 Alb D-V
Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC95@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com>

Tom! Hush! :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Solinski [mailto:tskio4@home.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:49 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: TOE SCALE allert! 1/24 Alb D-V


http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=543927222

Ok you REALLY blind guyes, or ones having hangers for your kits,  This one's
going fast

Tom S

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:54:14 -0600
From: "Tom Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions???
Message-ID: <00af01c085a8$8fbb7180$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com>

Things Floridians hate to hear
OU
chad
How bout them SOONERS!

Back OT so what is the diff between the Profipack Rol. C-II and the stock
kit?

Tom S
OKC
If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway!
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven M.Perry <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions???


> How did they come up with the name Profipack? Being used to US marketing
> hype, I'd expect a name like Extra or Deluxe printed on the box. Profipack
> sounds more like something to entice the distributors, not the end
> customers. Perhaps a poor translation into English? Is anyone familiar
> enough with the Czech language to comment on this?
>
> A bored mind in Fla wants to know. (Yes Tom, in spite of appeaances to the
> contrary we do have minds in Florida ;-)
> sp
>
>


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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:20:29 +0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPKEHACEAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

Graham,

you wanted to know:

"Can anyone tell me what the structure of the Pfalz D.IIIa fuselage was
like.
Was it similar to the Albatros with "machined" wood formers and bracing? Was
there any wire cross bracing?"

Similar, but not identical: three longitudinal stringers and 9
framers/formers. However, these formers were much lighter in construction
(and weight) than those of the Albatros. No internal bracing either. Main
reason: The fuselage shells were integral parts (very much like those of a
Pfalz kit) of much higher strength and therefore load carrying capability
than the multi panel Albatros fuselage. Disgressing slightly, there is
sometimes even a joint line visible where the fuselage shells met - see for
example the crash photo of 1269/18 on p. 28 of the DF (upper photo). Who
claimed you did not properly fill the kits joint line? :-)

"I have the Data File on the D.IIIa but it does
not include much in the way of structural info."

True, the original D IIIDatafile is much better in this respect. It includes
a (well known) photo of 4184/17 in Islington, where the starboard fuselage
shell has been removed. This shows the very light internal construction of
the D III quite clearly. Too, the drawing includes a structural side view.
However, as already stated in my build up report on the Roden Pfalz, these
drawings have some accuracy problems - mainly in fuselage length.

" Similarily to Chris's
question about the Tripe - what's behind the seat of the Pfalz D.IIIa?
TIA, Graham H."

Behind the seat is a former that has no cutout (other than the small ones
for the tail cables. The drawing in the D III DF show the (somewhat
backward) position quite clearly.

HTH

Volker



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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:12:06 EST
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions???
Message-ID: <bc.f6a4706.279f93f6@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/23/01 8:13:39 PM EST, dcalhoun01@snet.net writes:

<< The Pfalz early & late have only different lower wings & decals, the
 Profipack has both lower wings. >>

Whoops!  I wasn't actually aware they had released the third (late version) 
kit.

TC 

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:17:49 -0800
From: "Ken Zelnick" <kzelnick@cox-internet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Cheap kits
Message-ID: <001801c085bc$9d966940$952ab4d0@tcac.net>

Greetings,

Cam writes:

>I think it is a false economy buying the old
>cheap kits, a $15 Eduard or $12 Toko can be done
>in one third the time, doesnt require a Datafile
>and is guaranteed to pass the "looks like a ... "
>test.

Sorry for the late reply, but I'm in digest mode.  I respectfully disagree.
It depends on whether you have more fun building it or looking at the
finished product.  Plus, when you're a beginner like I am, I think it's
better to bugger up a cheap kit than an expensive one while trying out new
techniques (and they all are, at this point.)  Besides, I'm the only one in
the family who has any interest at all in my models, so I'm the only one I
have to satisfy.  Being short on reference material, I have no idea if it
"looks right" or not.  My only gauge is whether or not it looks good (to
me.)  Right now I'm working on a Glencoe A-H Alb.  I know some of the
purists in the group would rather slash their wrists than even open the box,
but I'm having a blast.  And after all, that's the whole point, isn't it?

Best wishes to all, and Semper Dicta Ira,

Ken Zelnick


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:15:28 EST
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions???
Message-ID: <68.b652a82.279f94c0@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/23/01 8:55:41 PM EST, tskio4@home.com writes:

<< Back OT so what is the diff between the Profipack Rol. C-II and the stock
 kit? >>

I really do know the answer to this:  the p-e in the profipack kit takes care 
of delicate things like the bomb racks on the landing gear that aren't there 
in the stock kit, seat belts, etc.  But the stock kit makes into a darn nice 
model!  (See mine in the gallery on the site)

TC

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:17:40 EST
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: something funny
Message-ID: <d3.f88b5fd.279f9544@aol.com>

A friend just sent this.

TC


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"Reader, suppose you were an idiot.  And suppose you were a member of
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:23:09 -0500
From: "diaphus" <diaphus@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions???
Message-ID: <00a001c085ac$98945160$d3551a18@tampabay.rr.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions???


> How did they come up with the name Profipack? Being used to US marketing
> hype, I'd expect a name like Extra or Deluxe printed on the box. Profipack
> sounds more like something to entice the distributors, not the end
> customers.

Yeah, to me, it's always read "ProfiTpack" :-)  I've always referred to the
plastic only kits as "Eduard Light".

Personally, I think it's fine that they release it both ways, but what
gripes me is that they always release the ProfiPack AFTER the all plastic
kit, and if you just GOTTA have the kit, like the Roland CII or the Albatros
DIII for me, you eventually wind up buying two because you grab the plastic
kit as soon as it hits the market, and then the ProfiPack to get the PE and
resin parts plus extra markings.

So, I guess in the end, as far as me being a consumer, both are ProfitPacks
for Eduard.

Jack Gartner
diaphus@tampabay.rr.com


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:21:49 -0500
From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" <janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: What about McCudden's DH.2?
Message-ID: <010101c085ac$68d43260$ee3c183f@cyrixp166>

Say, after a previous thread yesterday(?) I was wondering has anyone
profiled McCudden's D.H2?  Are there any photos of this ship?

Regards,
Cyg


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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:38:56 +0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: Alps printers
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPAEHDCEAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

Allan,

while ALPS printers are no longer available in the US, the *identical* OKI
printers are still for sale in Europe or Australia. As far as I understand
it, OKI is actually the manufacturer of all ALPS, Citizen and (obviously)
OKI thermal transfer printers, while ALPS originally developed the
technology. OKI just now introduced the new DP 7000 (an A 3 printer), and
the guys running the German imports (I bought a DP 5000 over there, which is
identical to the MD 5000) of that printer range told me in October that OKI
will introduce a modified line at this year´s CEBIT computer fair. Too, OKI
has just introduced some new (RGB to add to the CMYK) printer tapes.

Therefore I´m quite sure these printers will be around for quite some time.
Just wait until some new importer will surface in the US. Some guys from the
ALPS mailing list have approached OKI USA, and they are now studying wether
they should adopt that line also in the US.

However, if you want this printer very urgently, try:

http://www.hcr-citizen.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl/page=index2.html

and then look at "Drucker und Zubehoer"

These are the German importers (OKI Germany does not officially sell these
printers), and they were also willing to send one to Malaysia (even though I
finally picked up mine during a business trip to Germany). Awfully nice
guys, look for either Mr. Teichert or J. Ross (who actually is a Brit - no
language problems therefore). I also have an address in Australia, but have
yet to find it.

One tip: ALPS printers are obviously quite fragile (Dale, you agree?) - so
don´t go for a second hand  or refurbished printer at EBay. The ALPS list is
full of complaints on those ones. Too, I understand that you should not
print to much at one time, but stop after a few minutes and let the printer
cool down a bit.

Volker


-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
Allan Wright
Sent: 24 January 2001 08:37
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Alps printers


Alas it seems that Alps has gone under. I scowered the internet looking for
anyone who still had some old stock left but all I found is one person
selling a used one on Ebay.

Anyone who knows of a retail source for an MD-1000 please let me know!

Thanks,
Al

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:50:58 +0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPMEHDCEAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

Jack,

good question! Yes, the DF shows aluminum wheels. However, the original
drawing in WS 8/3 (which contains an article both on the AI and one on Rufus
Rand) shows light blue wheels. Strangely, the source photos mentioned in the
DF ("page 9") are NOT THERE! I´m sure I´ve seen some photos of this
aircraft, but where? the "Foreign Legion of the Air" series in WS or the
"Plumage" series in C&C?

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
diaphus
Sent: 24 January 2001 07:41
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Sgt. Shaffers Morane Saulnier AI


Quick question:  What color were the wheel hubs for this plane?  The CSM
instruction sheet shows them as French blue.  I've got a xerox of the
Datafile page which suggests a light non-blue color.  Would it be aluminum
like the wing and fuselage undersides or something else?

TIA.

Jack Gartner
diaphus@tampabay.rr.com



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