WWI Digest 3003 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s by "Graham Hunter" 2) Re: ot heads-up by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 3) Re: Opinion on Profiles Book by Todd Hayes 4) What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads-up by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 5) Re: And Proud of It!! by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 6) Re: Gon Xi Fa Cai & Jerrards Camel by "Bob Pearson" 7) Jerrard's Camel by "Lance Krieg" 8) Albatros D.V Stub wings by "Mark Shannon" 9) RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings by "Graham Hunter" 10) Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings by "Brian Nicklas" 11) Thoughts. ... by "Bob Pearson" 12) Quiet by "Brian Nicklas" 13) Re: Opinion on Profiles Book by RadspadMike@netscape.net 14) Reference Books, WAS Re. Color Profiles Opinions by RadspadMike@netscape.net 15) Re: Thoughts. ... by RadspadMike@netscape.net 16) Re: SMML by "Tony Mollica" 17) RE: Thoughts. ... by "Gaston Graf" 18) Re: Thoughts. ... by "DAVID BURKE" 19) Re: Thoughts. ... by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Eduad Opinions??? by "Tom Solinski" 21) Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit by "Michael S. Alvarado" 22) Re: Thoughts. ... by "Lyle Lamboley" 23) RE: Thoughts. ... by "Gaston Graf" 24) Re: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s by "Michael S. Alvarado" 25) Re: Eduad Opinions??? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 26) Re: Quiet by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 27) Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings by "Michael S. Alvarado" 28) RE: Windless in St. John's by Shane Weier 29) RE: Thoughts. ... by Shane Weier 30) Re: And Proud of It!! by "John & Allison Cyganowski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:45:37 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: "WWI List (E-mail)" Subject: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s Message-ID: <000101c08564$4c577e00$fa0101c0@grahamh> Can anyone tell me what the structure of the Pfalz D.IIIa fuselage was like. Was it similar to the Albatros with "machined" wood formers and bracing? Was there any wire cross bracing? I have the Data File on the D.IIIa but it does not include much in the way of structural info. Similarily to Chris's question about the Tripe - what's behind the seat of the Pfalz D.IIIa? TIA, Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:45:49 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot heads-up Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/01 2:38:17 AM EST, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << PFFT don't start on those One oh somethings please...... I've just eaten and its been a good day......... >> I wasn't saying I was starting one - I said there are myraid folks out there who will argue that stuff as passionately as people here argue Voss's Cowl. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:07:10 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinion on Profiles Book Message-ID: <20010123180710.6711.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> $22 sure beats the $60 I saw it for! Todd --- NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks for all the feedback on the Profiles book. > > I'm going to get the copy I saw listed. It was only > $22 and I thought that > was reasonable compared to other prices I have seen > it offered for. > > Strange there's no S.E.5 in it. Oh well, I'm looking > forward to the rest. > > Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:23:58 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: What I've *really* said - was Re: ot heads-up Message-ID: Ray's response to my comment about Spitfolk and Thingieboobs - where he somehow reached the conclusion that *I* was talking about starting a One-Oh Thingie (I actually am doing one - for a collector, not for me) - leads me to think it might be worthwhile if I point out what I have *really* said about Blue Max kits, since many of you seem to have the idea I hate the kits and hate the kit-maker. I have reviewed my posts, and there are two ways you come to that: a) a belief that any criticism of a manufacturer is a statement of dislike of the product, or b) as a victim lf modern mis-education, you just don't know how to read and understand English. Since you are all smart enough to be WW1 fans, and intelligent enough to find this list, I am going to proceed on the hypothesis that "b" is not a factor here. Let's be clear about something, OK? If Blue Max kits were crap, you'd never hear anything about them from me, because I wouldn't have any of them around since I don't waste my time on crap. I get ticked off about the products *because* they are *good.* OK??? To my knowledge, Chris Gannon uses the best available information in creating his designs, and creates accurate models thereby. I have never, ever, met the announcement of a new release by saying "Oh, why is he wasting his time?" His choices in airplanes to create models of is both interesting and in some cases (the Junkers D.I) daring. I have at least one built-up model of every one of his releases in my personal collection, other than the Dr.I (which is out at the Planes of Fame Museum) and the SPAD VII (which I would have in my collection if I could lay hands on one), and the Roland C.II and OEF Albatros (because I think there are better alternatives available). My complaints have been solely with regard to the production quality of the kits. I have this stupid idea that there exists "the implied warranty of merchantability," which means that a manufacturer will produce their product to the best of their ability, to provide the best product. Given that, I don't believe modelers - as consumers - should have to play "modeler's roulette" to get a kit that meets the simple standards of manufacture that *every other manufacturer* seems able to meet. I don't think the product should vary from the "perfect" to the "awful" where the process used to create them is as simple and well-known as the process to create a limited-run kit is. If Eduard could create limited-run kits (in their early days) that didn't have wing ripples, I think Blue Max should be able to do the same thing with theirs - particularly when they charge a higher price. You should not have to "open the box" and look before buying to get a kit that is at a basic level of product quality. It should be implicit that any kit can be opened and be at that level, and that the contrary is rare. Unfortunately, too often with this manufacturer, the contrary seems to be the general standard. Am I so awful to expect the opposite when everyone else in the business seems able to get to this point????????? As to the "personal attacks," allow me to say that when a manufacturer repeatedly hears this same point of criticism from a myriad of sources, (if I tell you something is wrong, that's my opinion - if ten different people tell you the same thing is wrong, it's a fact) and refuses to deal with the facts, one can come to the conclusion that this person might hold the customer in contempt. Believe me, starting with David Hannant on down, just about everyone I know in the business who deals with Pegasus/Blue Max has voiced the same concerns I have, with the same response - i.e., no response. As to my being "rude," a criticism which some of the easily-offended have voiced, allow me to quote from Stephen King - a writer I respect - on the subject: "If you expect to succeed as a writer, rudeness should be the second-to-least of your concerns. The least of all should be 'polite society' and what it expects. If you intend to write as truthfully as you can, your days as a member of polite society are numbered." My advice to the easily-offended is this: learn how to use the kill-file in your internet program and don't read me. Believe me, I won't miss you from the audience. I intend to continue to write as truthfully as I can. But in the future, let's argue over what I *said.* I have no problem with that. Even Mr. Gannon has shown he is able to get the point. OK?? Best regards, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:26:18 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/01 10:12:19 AM EST, Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu writes: << I don't discuss the wheel nut sizes or variances in the UV spectrum of RLM paints during the third week of March of 1945 - those guys are wackos. >> ROTFLMAO! TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:21 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gon Xi Fa Cai & Jerrards Camel Message-ID: <200101232034.MAA02794@mail.rapidnet.net> Volker writes ... > But on to my question: This (Chinese) year ended happily for me, as I > received today a package with 4 C&C (US) journals, which help me a lot to > come closer to completing that series. Amongst them was vol 24 no 4, with an > article from Jon Guttman on 66´s Camels. It included a drawing of Jerrards B > 5648 "E", on which he got the VC. Can anyone confirm this drawing. Too, can > anybody (maybe those owning the Camel File?) confirm which engine B 5648 > had? I illustrated Jerrard's Camel for the FMP VC book, I haven't seen Guttman's take on it so will forward you my take on it. > After getting this drawing, I´m one step closer to selecting Jerrards Camel > as the one to do for the Cookup - an alternative would still be > Kissenberth´s Jasta 23b Camel - but that would maybe be somewhat blasphemic? Andy Kemp and myself have spent some time trying to narrow down just which Camel this was .. so far no luck. .. all the possibilities that have been previously published have been ruled out for various reasons. .. ranging from wrong date, location, engine .. company etc. .. Amazing how things that we 'know', are actually more complicated when doing some investigation. Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:24:12 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Jerrard's Camel Message-ID: I better let Bob Pearson pipe up on Jerrard's camel, since it is prominently featured in the FMP VC book. I can check on the engine at home tonight and will advise tomorrow. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:23:27 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: I've got a question that I don't see answered by my reference photos. On the Jasta 5 D.V and D.Va aircraft with green/lilac wings, were the stub wings from the fuselage painted in the fuselage or the wing colors, or were they left natural wood? It's one of those small detail bits that can drive a body crazy, and if there is no consensus, anybody care to comment on their preference? (Besides, the list seems dead, too.) .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:39:21 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: <000801c08584$f35e6180$fa0101c0@grahamh> <<(Besides, the list seems dead, too.) .Mark.>> Yes very quite out there. gh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:50:05 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: >From what I can tell, the stubs were wood, and left wood. The paint/dope only went on the fabric areas. Unless, the whole a/c was overpainted. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:46:52 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: <200101232305.PAA09365@mail.rapidnet.net> Too quiet you say. . okay howzabout. . Lozenge, Voss' cowl, MvR red, silbergrau, Bf10thingies, list band, TC's rants, latest OTF (WS and/or C&C). .. The new kit is good/bad. ..... where's my SMO flyer . (whoops, that's RMS). .. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:11:51 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Quiet Message-ID: The list is always quiet after TC shuts us up. It gets way too chatty, threads unravel and go all over the place, TC makes us stop and think (some slack-jawed or red in the face) and we are quiet for a spell. Either that or everyone is busy boxing up their unbuilt 109s to send me... -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:23:09 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinion on Profiles Book Message-ID: <50B632D2.62122C8B.3E0364A1@netscape.net> wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu wrote: > > $22 sure beats the $60 I saw it for! > > Todd > > --- NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for all the feedback on the Profiles book. > > > > I'm going to get the copy I saw listed. It was only > > $22 and I thought that > > was reasonable compared to other prices I have seen > > it offered for. > > > > Strange there's no S.E.5 in it. Oh well, I'm looking > > forward to the rest. > > > > Steve I'm not buying model kits as fast as I used to (probably because I have most of what I want)but find I'm spending more trying to build up a reference library. When Steve mentioned "Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes", I immediately tried ABE Books and thought I had one for $22.50 only to find it was on "hold" for someone else, probably Steve. I went back and found another from the Bookmark in Omaha for $25 and it's on its way to me. Todd mentioned seeing one advertised for $60. . . there are several listed for much more. My point is that after spending more than I should (if that's possible) as a model kit collector and sometimes builder, I can't be a book collector also. The high prices for books are mostly for the autographed first editions in mint condition type of thing. If you can do without a book being in pristine condition, you can pick up some pretty good out-of-print bargains that may be a little shabby but the contents are complete and in pretty good shape. I have several of the Harleyford series, "German Aircraft of the First World War", and just recently, "German Giants" that fall in this category. Three days ago, I ordered the "Royal Naval Air Service, 1912-1918" from Hikoki for 30 pounds plus shipping, only to be advised by Barry Ketley that they are out of stock and won't be reprinted for another year or so. He said they had one or two copies in the warehouse, new but with slightly worn dust jackets that he would sell for 20 pounds including shipping. Just call me lucky! He also said that they are working on a sequel to RNAS to be titled, "Royal Naval Air Service at War", due to be released at the end of this year. "It is in two parts: one consists entirely of official documents, including orders of battle, the planning documents for the raids on the Tondern airships sheds and detail drawings of the first arresting and flotation gear fitted to RNAS aircraft. The second part is a personal war diary by a Canadian Felixstowe F2A pilot. There will be some 350 photos and much new colour artwork. Some 95% of this material has never been published before." My apologies for taking up so much bandwith. Would have written sooner but forgot the "secret handshake" - - not sure if I got it right now. Mike K. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:33:58 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Reference Books, WAS Re. Color Profiles Opinions Message-ID: <640047FD.05CF5EA3.3E0364A1@netscape.net> I'm not buying model kits as fast as I used to (probably because I have most of what I want)but find I'm spending more trying to build up a reference library. When Steve mentioned "Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes", I immediately tried ABE Books and thought I had one for $22.50 only to find it was on "hold" for someone else, probably Steve. I went back and found another from the Bookmark in Omaha for $25 and it's on its way to me. Todd mentioned seeing one advertised for $60. . . there are several listed for much more. My point is that after spending more than I should (if that's possible) as a model kit collector and sometimes builder, I can't be a book collector also. The high prices for books are mostly for the autographed first editions in mint condition type of thing. If you can do without a book being in pristine condition, you can pick up some pretty good out-of-print bargains that may be a little shabby but the contents are complete and in pretty good shape. I have several of the Harleyford series, "German Aircraft of the First World War", and just recently, "German Giants" that fall in this category. Three days ago, I ordered the "Royal Naval Air Service, 1912-1918" from Hikoki for 30 pounds plus shipping, only to be advised by Barry Ketley that they are out of stock and won't be reprinted for another year or so. He said they had one or two copies in the warehouse, new but with slightly worn dust jackets that he would sell for 20 pounds including shipping. Just call me lucky! He also said that they are working on a sequel to RNAS to be titled, "Royal Naval Air Service at War", due to be released at the end of this year. "It is in two parts: one consists entirely of official documents, including orders of battle, the planning documents for the raids on the Tondern airships sheds and detail drawings of the first arresting and flotation gear fitted to RNAS aircraft. The second part is a personal war diary by a Canadian Felixstowe F2A pilot. There will be some 350 photos and much new colour artwork. Some 95% of this material has never been published before." My apologies for taking up so much bandwith. Would have written sooner but forgot the "secret handshake" - - not sure if I got it right now. Mike K. wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu wrote: > > $22 sure beats the $60 I saw it for! > > Todd > > --- NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for all the feedback on the Profiles book. > > > > I'm going to get the copy I saw listed. It was only > > $22 and I thought that > > was reasonable compared to other prices I have seen > > it offered for. > > > > Strange there's no S.E.5 in it. Oh well, I'm looking > > forward to the rest. > > > > Steve > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.ya __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:48:23 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: <033B9323.4210F508.3E0364A1@netscape.net> wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu wrote: > > Too quiet you say. . okay howzabout. . > > Lozenge, Voss' cowl, MvR red, silbergrau, Bf10thingies, list band, TC's > rants, latest OTF (WS and/or C&C). .. The new kit is good/bad. ..... where's > my SMO flyer . (whoops, that's RMS). .. > > Bob > OK, Bob, this is where I left off . . . I've got an old Revell 1/28 Fokker Dr.I kit that I'm converting to Voss's F.I. Using a copier, I enlarged Barry Stetler's 1/48 resin conversion pieces into a 1/28 scale pattern for the ailerons and tail pieces. Also have Eric's CSM Voss decals. Seems the only problem remaining is deciding on what color to paint the cowl. :<( Whoa! Wait! No new thread. I already know what I'm going to do and I'm not telling nor seeking any input. Mike K. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:48:48 From: "Tony Mollica" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SMML Message-ID: Thanks Shane, I'll do it now. >From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: SMML >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:00:46 -0500 (EST) > >Tony Mollica wrote: > > > > Hi Shane, > > I know you had some hard disk problems that prevented publication of >SMML, > > however, I'm still not getting it. Is that because it's not happening at >the > > moment, or am I not receiving ift for some other reason (eg hotmail). > > Thanks > > Tony Mollica > > Hi Tony, > > You need to resubscribe as I lost everything, including the SMML >distribution list. > > That goes for any other SMMLie on the list who hasn't recieved SMML for >the past fortnight or so ;-) > > Just send an email to SMML at mailto:shipmodels@tac.com.au with >subscribe or re-subscribe in the title or body > > Shane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:49:48 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: Warning...Warning...Warning... there was a visitor of my website who placed a request for help at my little forum because he wants to build an RC model of a Fokker Dr1 but is still unsure whether he shall paint its cowl YELLOW or OLIVE... I will kindly recommend him to please join this noble list so he can discuss the topic with the experts here. I am sure he'll find an answer. tataaaaaa.........(running for cover) Gaston Graf 18 Viichtener Strooss L-8620 Schandel Luxembourg Europe email: ggraf@vo.lu website: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Bob Pearson > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:57 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Thoughts. ... > > > Too quiet you say. . okay howzabout. . > > Lozenge, Voss' cowl, MvR red, silbergrau, Bf10thingies, list band, TC's > rants, latest OTF (WS and/or C&C). .. The new kit is good/bad. > ..... where's > my SMO flyer . (whoops, that's RMS). .. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:01:04 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: <002501c08590$5e65f960$e6e479a5@com> Pearson Just Had To Say: > Too quiet you say. . okay howzabout. . > > Lozenge, Voss' cowl, MvR red, silbergrau, Bf10thingies, list band, TC's > rants, latest OTF (WS and/or C&C). .. The new kit is good/bad. ..... where's > my SMO flyer . (whoops, that's RMS). .. > > Bob Dammit Bob! I fell off of my chair! Went and did something dumb: stopped off and bought a bunch of movies. Two OT (Blue Max and Gallipoli), two ot (Kelly's Heroes and Battle of Britain) and one timeless (Bringing Up Baby). Dumb because I have to pack them too! Pearson, one more smart remark like that and I'm suing you for whatever bodily injuries I sustain (and I warn you, that Canada/US thing won't work, me boyo!) :-D DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:03:03 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: <003501c08590$a4af2360$e6e479a5@com> > there was a visitor of my website who placed a request for help at my little > forum because he wants to build an RC model of a Fokker Dr1 but is still > unsure whether he shall paint its cowl YELLOW or OLIVE... A Dr.1? Hell, their cowlings were painted lots of different colors! NOW an F.1 might be a different ball of wax.... DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:08:49 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Eduad Opinions??? Message-ID: <000701c08591$73863020$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> Hi all! Well, it's pay day and all this money is burning a hole in my pocket. So I'm considering filling out my Eduard collection. So what is the major difference in a "profi" kit over a standard one? Is there a different fuselage in the Pfalz D-IIIA early and late kits? Board Oklahoma minds want to know Thanks Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:57:05 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit Message-ID: <3A6E0C41.C72D3B7B@bellatlantic.net> That's what I did when I built mine several years ago and if you hold the model just right, cock your head to just the precise angle on the Vernal Equinox of every other Leap Year you can just about make it out if you squint hard enough with a battle lantern hanging from a strap in your teeth shining light intense enough to melt the whole mess. Alvie Graham Hunter wrote: > Chris, > FWIW the Eduard kit of the Tripe uses a solid piece behind the seat. A faux > open midsection (between longerons) with molded cross bracing. On my next > Tripe I will cut off the solid "opening" and scratch the frame and cross > bracing (using kit piece as a template. > > Graham H. > > -----Original Message----- > Lance Krieg > > Chris wonders: > > "1. What did the area behind the seat look like?" > > I have a number of photos of the recent repros (see Windsock 6/4 and World > War One Aero 153) that show this as open below the longerons, with a plywood > former for the turtledeck blocking the area behind the pilot's head and > shoulders. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:10:41 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: <005501c08591$b78b84a0$7adad73f@lylelamb> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" > Warning...Warning...Warning... > > there was a visitor of my website who placed a request for help at my little > forum because he wants to build an RC model of a Fokker Dr1 but is still > unsure whether he shall paint its cowl YELLOW or OLIVE... I will kindly > recommend him to please join this noble list so he can discuss the topic > with the experts here. I am sure he'll find an answer. There can be no discussion on this most holy subject, lest the heathens be damned. L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:16:32 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: uurgsssss......yeah yeah yeah, you got me dude. I mean a damn F.I, not a Dr1. It's a TRIPE anyway, ain't it ;o) actually researching what steeple MvR climbed in August of 1914... guess I found it... will climb it as well if one allows me to do that. more later Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > DAVID BURKE > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:09 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Thoughts. ... > > > > there was a visitor of my website who placed a request for help at my > little > > forum because he wants to build an RC model of a Fokker Dr1 but is still > > unsure whether he shall paint its cowl YELLOW or OLIVE... > > A Dr.1? Hell, their cowlings were painted lots of different > colors! NOW an > F.1 might be a different ball of wax.... > > > DB > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:22:20 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.IIIa Fuselage ?'s Message-ID: <3A6E122B.84F43EFC@bellatlantic.net> The structure of the Pfalz D.III-D.IIIa was similar to that of the Albatros fighters - a semi-monocoque wooden structure made up of a light frame work of six longerons and a number of light open transverse frames. The frames take the form of thin woden ovals reinforced where they are intersected by the longerons. Some of these frames have wooden cross braces reinforcing them. I have seen some evidence that the largest of these frames (located about a foot or so aft of the cockpit opening) had a fabric or plywood web glued/nailed to the wooden X bracing through which the control cables passed via holes drilled around the center of the frame. There was no cross brace wiring in the structure. Pfalz fuselage construction differed from Albatros fueslage construction in the manner of the fuselage outer shell construction. The Albtros fuselage shell was apparently made up of a single layer of thin plywood panels (about 3mm thick) layed out over a male or female mold scarfed together using 10:1 beveled scarfs in right and left halves. The two shell halves were nailed each side of the fuselage frame and joined together along the upper and lower centerlines apparently by skin panels scarfed to the left and right shell halves leaving no apparent centerline seams. Pfalz fuselage shells were made up of a layer of approximately 90 mm wide strips of 3 mm plywood laid diagonally over a male mold. The seams between the strips were reinforced with linen cloth over which a second layer of plywood strips were laid down at approximately 90 degrees to the first layer. The two shell halves were joined to the fuselage frame and the whole enchilada covered with an additional layer of linen cloth. So much for Aero Engineering 101 by Alvie. Graham Hunter wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the structure of the Pfalz D.IIIa fuselage was like. > Was it similar to the Albatros with "machined" wood formers and bracing? Was > there any wire cross bracing? I have the Data File on the D.IIIa but it does > not include much in the way of structural info. Similarily to Chris's > question about the Tripe - what's behind the seat of the Pfalz D.IIIa? > TIA, Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:37:02 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduad Opinions??? Message-ID: <20.110f2438.279f6f9e@aol.com> In a message dated 1/23/01 6:10:38 PM EST, tskio4@home.com writes: << So what is the major difference in a "profi" kit over a standard one? Is there a different fuselage in the Pfalz D-IIIA early and late kits? >> With regard to the Pfalz D.IIIa kits, the difference between the profi and non-profi kits isn't that much, oither than you get both lower wings in the profi kit. The p-e isn't that big a deal IMNSHO. If you want to do a Pfalz with the rounded lower wingtips, the Profi's the only one that has it, however. HTH TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:39:49 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Quiet Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/01 5:14:02 PM EST, Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu writes: << Either that or everyone is busy boxing up their unbuilt 109s to send me... >> Actually, I'm just trying to recover from the slipped disc I got when I reached down and tried to pick up the shipping crate. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:32:45 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Stub wings Message-ID: <3A6E149D.5D663582@bellatlantic.net> Most photographs I have seen and Stropp at the NASM have the lower wing stubs as varnished plywood or whatever color the rest of the fuselage in that area of that particular airplane was. The fabric covered lower wings are in lilac (mauve)/green, lozenge or whatever that airplane was painted. Alvie Mark Shannon wrote: > I've got a question that I don't see answered by my reference photos. > > On the Jasta 5 D.V and D.Va aircraft with green/lilac wings, were the stub wings from the fuselage painted in the fuselage or the wing colors, or were they left natural wood? It's one of those small detail bits that can drive a body crazy, and if there is no consensus, anybody care to comment on their preference? > > (Besides, the list seems dead, too.) > > .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:10:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AC6@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Mark V-J quoted: > What with Christmas and the kids etc I got > bugger all done over the holidays. ...the List Lament. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:22:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Thoughts. ... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AC8@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Bob, > Lozenge, Voss' cowl, MvR red, silbergrau, Bf10thingies, list > band, TC's > rants, latest OTF (WS and/or C&C). .. The new kit is > good/bad. ..... where's my SMO flyer . (whoops, that's RMS). .. You left out possums, Vegemite and *Legs* Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:19:45 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: <002001c0859b$9ab59370$ee3c183f@cyrixp166> Focke-Wulf. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! > Didn't the Messerschmidt company come originally from the ashes > of the Albatross werke (or am I hallucinating again). In > that case he could build an Albatross as penance! > /Neil > > > > Hey, Al! Anyway we can black-list this person? Talk about > > sacriledge! > > There isn't enough penance you can do to get back in our good > > graces... > > > > :-) > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3003 **********************