WWI Digest 3002 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Opinion on Profiles Book by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: Opinion on Profiles Book by NodalPoint@aol.com 3) Re: ot heads-up by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 4) Re: Plug for Aeroclub's BE2's by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 5) RE: ot heads-up by "Ray Boorman" 6) RE: wonder why? by Crawford Neil 7) RE: Kits for kids - Camel by Crawford Neil 8) RE: Kits for kids - Camel by Crawford Neil 9) RE: ot heads-up by Crawford Neil 10) FW: Kits for kids - Camel Mk.2 by Crawford Neil 11) Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit by "Lance Krieg" 12) And Proud of It!! by "Brian Nicklas" 13) Re: And Proud of It!! by "Matt Bittner" 14) RE: And Proud of It!! by Crawford Neil 15) RE: And Proud of It!! by Crawford Neil 16) Re: Windless in St. John's by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 17) RE: And Proud of It!! by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 18) Gon Xi Fa Cai & Jerrards Camel by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 19) ot Elks, was RE: Windless in St. John's by Crawford Neil 20) RE: And Proud of It!! by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 21) RE: And Proud of It!! by Crawford Neil 22) RE: And Proud of It!! by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 23) Re: ot Elks, was RE: Windless in St. John's by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 24) Work ethic ? by "Dale Sebring" 25) RE: Sopwith Triplane cockpit by "Graham Hunter" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:59:37 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinion on Profiles Book Message-ID: <3A6D0FB9.215513D1@bellsouth.net> NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > Is it a good reference? I'm in total agreement with all previous comments on this book. If it's not at a ridiculous price, buy it. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:42:13 EST From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Opinion on Profiles Book Message-ID: Thanks for all the feedback on the Profiles book. I'm going to get the copy I saw listed. It was only $22 and I thought that was reasonable compared to other prices I have seen it offered for. Strange there's no S.E.5 in it. Oh well, I'm looking forward to the rest. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:08:44 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot heads-up Message-ID: <75.f4470cb.279e87fc@aol.com> In a message dated 1/22/01 10:49:01 PM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << while of all aircraft I have seen more bad 1:1 fibreglass replicas of S*******s than any other aircraft. >> That's due to the folks who made "Piece of Cake" - they offered the Ministry of Defense the fibreglass replicas to replace the real 1:1 gate guards, took them to Audley End and remanufactured them to flying status, thereby quadrupling the number of originals in the air. The replicas aren't great, but now some 1:1 beauty isn't moldering away out there painted wrong and disassembling in the weather. BTW: Spitfolk are as nothing compared to the Thingieboobs - go listen to them oin Hyperscale as they argue how many cowling bulges can dance on the head of a Dzus fastener. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:09:45 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Plug for Aeroclub's BE2's Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/01 11:10:13 PM EST, Limon3@email.msn.com writes: << Ditto from me on this kit. >> The BE2c is indeed a nice kit. TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:29:02 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: ot heads-up Message-ID: PFFT don't start on those One oh somethings please...... I've just eaten and its been a good day......... Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > TomTheAeronut@aol.com > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:13 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: ot heads-up > > > In a message dated 1/22/01 10:49:01 PM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > > << while of > all aircraft I have seen more bad 1:1 fibreglass replicas of > S*******s than > any other aircraft. >> > > That's due to the folks who made "Piece of Cake" - they offered > the Ministry > of Defense the fibreglass replicas to replace the real 1:1 gate > guards, took > them to Audley End and remanufactured them to flying status, thereby > quadrupling the number of originals in the air. The replicas > aren't great, > but now some 1:1 beauty isn't moldering away out there painted wrong and > disassembling in the weather. > > BTW: Spitfolk are as nothing compared to the Thingieboobs - go listen to > them oin Hyperscale as they argue how many cowling bulges can > dance on the > head of a Dzus fastener. :-) > > TC > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:59:34 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: wonder why? Message-ID: Yes you're probably right Shane, and the same goes for the SPAD XIII, in 1/72 the Revell SE5 and Camel are luckily both quite good though, /Neil > > Maybe because these were well known aircraft and kitted very > early, using > less than wonderfull plans. The same could be said of most of > the first > tranche of WW1 kits released - think Airfix Dr.I for example. > > Later on, major manufacturers shied from competing with kits already > released of what by then were known to be subjects of a > minority interest, > so later kits are short run and sometimes of indifferent quality. > > Well...maybe not, but it could be. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:15:25 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel Message-ID: If I'd been writing about the SE5, I probably would have said it was the best fighter. When I was a kid I always wanted to hear that the model a/c I was building was the best one. Actually everyone knows that the best British fighter was the Mann-Eggerton built SPAD ;-) Seriously though I would be interested in your reasons for the SE5 superiority, it's certainly better looking, I'll give you that. I suspect you saw that I pinched my last paragraph from Winged Victory, I am in total agreement about that book. Snoopy will soon be added, I meant to have him in all along, but forgot when I actually wrote it. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad & Merville [mailto:BigglesRFC@globalserve.net] > Sent: den 23 januari 2001 00:24 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel > > > Hi Neil > > McCudden, Mannock and Lambert were SE5a (which > incidentally was the > best British fighter of the war ;0p ) aces. > The top Camel aces were: McClaren 54 (Cdn), Barker 52 > (Cdn), Gilmour > 40 (Scot), Jordan 34 (Eng), Quigley 34 (Cdn), Cobby 32 > (Aus), Woollett > 35 (Eng), McEwen 27 (Cdn), Rochford 29 (Eng), Kinkead 35 > (S. Afrcn), > Collishaw 62 (Cdn), Fall 36 (Cdn)... > > Note scores shown are the aces total score including > victories scored while > flying other types. With the exception of Collishaw most of > the scores > above were obtained on the Camel. The majority of > Collishaw's were done on > the Sopwith Triplane which is basically a Camel with an extra > wing and one > less gun ; ) > > I think your synopsis of the Camel is bang on. It's a > shame they're not > a little older and we could recommend 'Winged Victory' to > them. Oh... and > you also left out the most famous Camel jockey of them all... Snoopy! > > Cheers > Brad > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:20:21 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel Message-ID: I'm awfully ashamed of myself, I thought I knew a little about RFC aces, but when I came to actually write it down, my brain crashed. Thanks everyone for your help, corrected version on the way. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Pearson [mailto:bpearson@rapidnet.net] > Sent: den 22 januari 2001 21:08 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel > > > Hi Neil, > > None of your pilots made their names on the Camel. .. the > first two flew the > SE5a (and DH2 in McCudden's case), while the last flew the late model > Sopwith aka Hurricane. Nice one, can't I have at least half a point for the Hurricane! > > Top 5 Camel aces are > MacLaren (Canadian) > Barker (Canadian) > Gilmour > Jordan > Quigley > > Bob Pearson > > ---------- > >From: Crawford Neil > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Kits for kids - Camel > >Date: Mon, Jan 22, 2001, 6:08 am > > > > > Many famous pilots flew the Camel, McCudden > ???????????????....... Bill > > Lambert > > of Canada, the famous Australian pilot Cobber Kain (or was that WW2) > > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I'm useless on aces. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:28:06 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ot heads-up Message-ID: Hi Dan, I think you're right TC does get allowed a little more leeway and certainly he does go a bit far sometimes. But when he is good, then he's very good, I feel a bit like I do when it comes to IPMS- judging that more of the good points should be taken into account, not just the mistakes. If you do a lot (both in modelling and writing you're going to make more mistakes). Anyway, glad you came out of lurk mode, the more the merrier, please don't be so shy in the future. Best regards Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: DNSH@aol.com [mailto:DNSH@aol.com] > Sent: den 22 januari 2001 20:42 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: ot heads-up > > > > HI, > > I just want to clarify a few points about my previous post. > First, I don't have a problem with Mr. Cleaver's ot posts > either, because I build various era subjects in both scales. > Secondly, I also enjoy Mr. Cleaver's posts when they are > helpful and informative. However, I do have a problem with > posts that claim a kit is worthless/unbuildable without > providing the foundation for said opinion. I also have a > problem when the tenor of the post is just plain rude. The > Pegasus/Chris Gannon posts buy Mr. Cleaver have become > personal attacks. This list has been extremely civilized > (especially when compared to RMS) and on the few occasions > when people have crossed the line, the list has called people > on it. It does seem though that Mr. Cleaver has been allowed > much more leeway in his postings, and I simply wanted to > express my opinon that I was fed up with the rudeness. I > suppose I could skip the posts, but I prefer to read all > posts as I am always amazed at what I can learn fro! > m ! > ! > each post. > > Take care, > Dan Hartz > > In a message dated Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:27:10 AM Eastern > Standard Time, "DAVID BURKE" writes: > > << > As to Tom's ot content I don't think he's much worse than any of > > us, I enjoy his posts. > > /Neil > > > Ditto. > > (for the most part) > > DB > > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:14:41 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 list (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Kits for kids - Camel Mk.2 Message-ID: Here's the corrected version, I reckon kids like figures just as much as we do, so I just copied in all Brads figures. Do US-kids understand Kennel, or should it be doghouse, or is that something on a boat? I checked, Camels turn better to the right, there was an excelllent article about flying the Camel in Flight digest a few years ago. ANything else? /Neil > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------- > The Sopwith Camel was a strange aeroplane, it was probably the best > British > fighter in World War One. But it was by no means the fastest fighter, it's > strength > was manouvrability, if the pilot was good. For a novice pilot it was a > dangerous > beast, very easy to stall and crash. The pilot who knew the camel would > always > turn right in a dogfight, if he did this he could turn better than any > other plane, > better even than the Fokker Dr1, if he turned left he was in trouble, > because in > that direction the Camel was a poor turner. The reason for this was that > the Camel > had a rotary engine, which meant that the whole engine span with the > propeller, > as the engine spun to the right it meant that there was a gyroscopic > effect that > tightened tuns in that direction, turning left meant that the plane had > to sort of > fight against the spinning engine. There were many other planes with > rotary engines > but the Camel also had everything heavy like the engine, pilot, > machine-guns > concentrated in the nose, this concentration of mass exagerated the > gyroscopic > effect, making it a very tricky aircraft, both to friend and enemy. > > Other good things about the Camel was that it was light so a good climber, > strong > and with two machine-guns well armed. Disadvantages were really just that > it was > difficult to fly well, and maybe a trifle slow. Later in the war they put > Bentley engines > in the Camels which made them much better. The reason it was called a > Camel was > because of the humped cowling over the machine-guns, it reminded people of > a Camels > hump. > > The top Camel aces were: McClaren 54 (Canada) Barker 52 (Canada), > Gilmour 40 (Scotland), Jordan 34 (England), Quigley 34 (Canada), > Cobby 32 (Australia), Woollett 35 (England), McEwen 27 (Canada), > Rochford 29 (England), Kinkead 35 (South. Africa), Collishaw 62 (Canada, mostly flying the Sopwith Triplane), Fall 36 (Canada). And of course we musn't forget the famous US ace flying the so-called Kennel-Camel, Snoopy! > Possibly the Camel pilot who became most famous was Roy Brown, he was a > flight > commander in the RFC, very experienced, and rather tired of the war, still > doing the best > he could. One day he was on patrol when his squadron got embroiled in a > big dogfight > with one of the crack german Jastas, he saw one of his youngsters called > Wilfred May, going > down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail, and gave chase. This > distracted the Fokker > pilot enough to let May escape, then Roy Brown chased the Fokker right > down to low level > just above the trenches, finally he got in some good shots and the Fokker > crashed. > It turned out that the pilot of the red Fokker who was killed, was the red > baron himself > Manfred von Richthofen, the greatest ace of the first world war. This > battle has been > discussed ever since, many people say that he was shot down by australian > soldiers in > the trenches, but in any case it was Roy Brown who drove him down to that > dangerous low level. > I guess we will never know the truth. > > The Camel pilots concentrated on ground-attack towards the end of the war, > this was the most > dangerous flying of all. Most pilots weren't too scared of air combat, but > when it came to flying at > low-level where the could be shot down by rifle fire from the trenches, > then they were really > scared. Finally the Camel was replaced by a new plane called the Sopwith > Snipe, the Sopwith > company changed its name to Hawker and eventually built the Hawker > Hurricane and the AV8B > Harrier which is in service with the US marines today. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:57:59 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit Message-ID: Chris wonders: "1. What did the area behind the seat look like?" I have a number of photos of the recent repros (see Windsock 6/4 and World War One Aero 153) that show this as open below the longerons, with a plywood former for the turtledeck blocking the area behind the pilot's head and shoulders. "2. ... how was the seat mounted?" Again, from repros: the seat (sheet metal with fabric covering, NOT wicker) mounts on a wooden frame above the rear wing spar. There is no adjustment mechanism that I can discern in photos, and it will all be invisible on a model. The rudder and elevator control lines run through fairleads on the seat mounting bracket directly below the seat and hence through the rear of the fuselage. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:11:07 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: I build a lot of Messerschmitt Bf 109s and I am proud of it! I don't know why, but I love that airplane. I like the lines of the 109 V1 to the 109K-4, I like the variety of civil race to Swiss to Israeli markings, I like the way they sit on the ground and zip across the sky. It is my favorite airplane. (Followed closely by Albatros D.Vs, Dragon Rapides, Staggerwings...) I do not count fasteners, I don't discuss the wheel nut sizes or variances in the UV spectrum of RLM paints during the third week of March of 1945 - those guys are wackos. But I love the Messerschmitt Bf 109! There - And I will not build anything as penance - I have enough to finish on my plate without building crap to please you guys ;-) And don't worry - I'm going to finish my Albatros gaggle before I open my new Tamiya 1/72 109s... Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:17:14 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: <200101231518.HAA16971@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:14:31 -0500 (EST), Brian Nicklas wrote: > I build a lot of Messerschmitt Bf 109s and I am proud of it! > I don't know why, but I love that airplane. > I like the lines of the 109 V1 to the 109K-4, I like the variety of civil > race to Swiss to Israeli markings, > I like the way they sit on the ground and zip across the sky. > It is my favorite airplane. (Followed closely by Albatros D.Vs, Dragon > Rapides, Staggerwings...) > I do not count fasteners, I don't discuss the wheel nut sizes or variances > in the UV spectrum of RLM paints during the third week of March of 1945 - > those guys are wackos. But I love the Messerschmitt Bf 109! > There - And I will not build anything as penance - I have enough to finish > on my plate without building crap to please you guys ;-) And don't worry - > I'm going to finish my Albatros gaggle before I open my new Tamiya 1/72 > 109s... Hey, Al! Anyway we can black-list this person? Talk about sacriledge! There isn't enough penance you can do to get back in our good graces... :-) Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:17:54 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: And I was just going to write that the reason this list is so good, is because we don't dicuss one-oh-thingies! Actually I quite like them too, years since I built one though. I'd like to do the red-racer as flown by UDET, see got this back OT. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Nicklas [mailto:Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu] > Sent: den 23 januari 2001 16:15 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: And Proud of It!! > > > I build a lot of Messerschmitt Bf 109s and I am proud of it! > I don't know why, but I love that airplane. > I like the lines of the 109 V1 to the 109K-4, I like the > variety of civil > race to Swiss to Israeli markings, > I like the way they sit on the ground and zip across the sky. > It is my favorite airplane. (Followed closely by Albatros > D.Vs, Dragon > Rapides, Staggerwings...) > I do not count fasteners, I don't discuss the wheel nut sizes > or variances > in the UV spectrum of RLM paints during the third week of > March of 1945 - > those guys are wackos. But I love the Messerschmitt Bf 109! > There - And I will not build anything as penance - I have > enough to finish > on my plate without building crap to please you guys ;-) And > don't worry - > I'm going to finish my Albatros gaggle before I open my new > Tamiya 1/72 > 109s... > Brian Nicklas > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:31:31 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: Didn't the Messerschmidt company come originally from the ashes of the Albatross werke (or am I hallucinating again). In that case he could build an Albatross as penance! /Neil > > Hey, Al! Anyway we can black-list this person? Talk about > sacriledge! > There isn't enough penance you can do to get back in our good > graces... > > :-) > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:30:18 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: >Mark wrote: > >> God, I can't wait to get back to OT. . .the clock is ticking. Either I >> finish tonight or I go insane. >> >> >> MVJ > > >Hang in there Mark, you will not only survive but increase in skill & >knowledge... >You're very disaplined to tackle such a big job! My cudos :-) > >Best regards, >Dale Thanks for the kind words Dale. Alas I'm not disciplined enough. What with Christmas and the kids etc I got bugger all done over the holidays. Bulk of the 10 kits I have in the show were done This month. All painting and decaling was done since Wednesday night (when my replacement compressor arrived. . .I have got to get one of these babies.) The vinyl markings look pretty good. Have yet to dull them down with a flat coat (museum lady said not to bother as the kits are under glass anyway. I may steal the planes back one night and give them a shot og GS flat just to satisy the perfectionist in me. That being said, anyone who is stuck for cutsom markings (probably better for ot subkects), go chat up a friendly neighbourhood sign shop and ask them about themral printing on clear vinyl. thin, sticky and versatile. Because this was a rush job I'm far from satisfied with the finished results.. .the museum is delighted and I had a kind word from my local IPMS pres. . .but still my fingers itch to fix a few things whenever I look at them. Bringing this back to OT my Curtiss Jenny just arrived. . .bought for the museum show this will depict a Jenny used in 1919 for the first aerial survey of Labrador, the northern part of the province I live in. Two guys and their jenny surveyed and photographed a total of 2,500 square miles of wilderness and coastline. And I do mean wilderness. Head in from the coast in 1919 and all that was between you and the pole was the occasional caribou herd. Not strictly WWI I grant you, but looking at the jenny - okay not the most fragile plane of the period but not exactly robust - I marvel at the flyers of our period. Labrador is still an inhospitable place. I've had bush pilot friends make my hair stand on end with tales of crashes on northern lakes, getting lost in blizzards and running out of gas hundreds of miles from civilization. To do that in 1919 when there would be absolutely no chance of rescue astounds me. Sorry for the not very OT ramble. . .I've had a grand total of seven hours sleep in the last 48 so I'm a little punchy. . .That being said even the garish yellow plastic of the jenny is tempting me. Ahh, now I can get back to two wings and lots of wires :-) MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:02:22 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: Nope - Focke Wulf (thatīs the FW**** competition) bought over the Albatroswerke. That was in 1931, the same year that Tank joined Fo***-**lf. MesserschmiTt haad his own company, but it joinde forces with the Bayrische Flugzeugwerke (BFW), which had some Udet Flugzeugbau background. Whatever - definitely not OT. Volker "Crawford Neil Sent: 23 January 2001 22:36 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! Didn't the Messerschmidt company come originally from the ashes of the Albatross werke (or am I hallucinating again). In that case he could build an Albatross as penance!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:03:32 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Gon Xi Fa Cai & Jerrards Camel Message-ID: To all of the list also a happy Chinese New Year, which starts over here in Penang (we have a Chinese majority over here, the only one in Malaysia) in 20 mins. Itīs actually the Year of the Snake this year! But on to my question: This (Chinese) year ended happily for me, as I received today a package with 4 C&C (US) journals, which help me a lot to come closer to completing that series. Amongst them was vol 24 no 4, with an article from Jon Guttman on 66īs Camels. It included a drawing of Jerrards B 5648 "E", on which he got the VC. Can anyone confirm this drawing. Too, can anybody (maybe those owning the Camel File?) confirm which engine B 5648 had? After getting this drawing, Iīm one step closer to selecting Jerrards Camel as the one to do for the Cookup - an alternative would still be Kissenberthīs Jasta 23b Camel - but that would maybe be somewhat blasphemic? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:01:59 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: ot Elks, was RE: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: Well done Mark, I'm just curious about one thing, is a caribou a moose, and if so do they live in flocks over your way. Our Elks are solitary, and for our Polish friends is the Polish for Elk really "Los", I claimed this at work, I'd like to know if it's true. This has to do with aviation, I'm thinking of the 1939 PZL Los, sorry not OT, but I'm sure I could find a connection somewhere, if tortured. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:10:45 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: Matt said: "Hey, Al! Anyway we can black-list this person? Talk about sacriledge! There isn't enough penance you can do to get back in our good graces... :-) Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)" What about some "Secret Handshake" :-)? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:18:26 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: OK, I was hallucinating, everything perfectly normal. I knew this dammit, why can't my brain ever work properly! /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Volker Häusler [mailto:haeusler@tm.net.my] > Sent: den 23 januari 2001 16:59 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! > > > Nope - Focke Wulf (thatīs the FW**** competition) bought over the > Albatroswerke. That was in 1931, the same year that Tank > joined Fo***-**lf. > MesserschmiTt haad his own company, but it joinde forces with > the Bayrische > Flugzeugwerke (BFW), which had some Udet Flugzeugbau > background. Whatever - > definitely not OT. > > Volker > > "Crawford Neil > Sent: 23 January 2001 22:36 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! > > > Didn't the Messerschmidt company come originally from the ashes > of the Albatross werke (or am I hallucinating again). In > that case he could build an Albatross as penance!" > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:50:44 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: And Proud of It!! Message-ID: Neil said: "I knew this dammit, why can't my brain ever work properly! /Neil" Thatīs the lack of sunshine over there Up North during this time of the year - perfectly normal. During summer, the same thing will be caused by that one extra beer during the long evenings. Difficult to win (and No, you canīt quit)... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:26:43 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot Elks, was RE: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: Neil Moose are similar to Elk in that they are solitary. Caribou is essentially a kind of North American reindeer, travel in (once) vast herds across the northern regions. And don't worry about making this OT - I'll have you know that the Caribou is a noble creature with a solid WWI history - it was the emblem of the Royal Newfoundland Regiment - decimated at the battle of beaumont Hamel in '16. A beautiful statue of a Caribou adorns the Newfoundland memorial at beaumont Hamel today. the Caribou was also the emblem of 125 Squadron RAF, a titular Newfoundland squadron first formed as a training unit in the latter stages of WWI and later as a nightfighter unit in the second nastiness. It was disanded, reformed on Meteors and then venoms and disbanded in 57 IIRC. Continuing the OT theme, I'm planning a trench diorama depicting July 1, 1916 when the NFLD regiment went over the top - still researching it. It's planned to be part of the next museum commission (I know I vowed never to do one again but hey it's OT) scheduled for Nov. 11. With luck it will be the trench scene as well as some ot ships (Flower class) and some WWII artillery - Quad and 25 pdr and a 105 mm Long Tom - both used by NFLD units. Any tips on a trench scene for me (I'm a rank amateur at such things) appreciated - off list. I think I've worn out the questionable OT-ness of my posts ;-) MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:17:19 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Work ethic ? Message-ID: <001301c08560$580d5fc0$75b58dd0@main> Hey MVJ, back to the work bench, you're not finished yet....;-) Best to you, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:28:40 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplane cockpit Message-ID: <000001c08561$eec84c80$fa0101c0@grahamh> Chris, FWIW the Eduard kit of the Tripe uses a solid piece behind the seat. A faux open midsection (between longerons) with molded cross bracing. On my next Tripe I will cut off the solid "opening" and scratch the frame and cross bracing (using kit piece as a template. Graham H. -----Original Message----- Lance Krieg Chris wonders: "1. What did the area behind the seat look like?" I have a number of photos of the recent repros (see Windsock 6/4 and World War One Aero 153) that show this as open below the longerons, with a plywood former for the turtledeck blocking the area behind the pilot's head and shoulders. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3002 **********************