WWI Digest 3000

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  2) RE: Kits for kids - Camel
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  3) RE: What's on the Workbench?
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  4) Re: Kits for kids - Camel
	by "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
  5) Re: Opinion on Profiles Book
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
  6) Re: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
	by "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
  7) Re: Opinion on Profiles Book
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
  8) RE: Kits for kids - Camel
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  9) RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 10) Re: ot heads-up
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 11) Re: ot heads-up
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 12) Re: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
	by "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 13) Re: ot heads-up
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 14) RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 15) RE: What's on the Workbench?
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 16) RE: What's on the Workbench?
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 17) Re: ot heads-up
	by "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 18) Re: New VAMP Order
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
 19) Re: Kits for kids - Camel
	by "Brad & Merville" <BigglesRFC@globalserve.net>
 20) Re: ot heads-up
	by "Lyle Lamboley" <lamboley@earthlink.net>
 21) Re: Opinion on Profiles Book
	by "Brad & Merville" <BigglesRFC@globalserve.net>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:57:39 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AA1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Bucky

> I try not to think about how much farther I still have to go. 
> Just plug away
> a little bit at a time a couple of hours a night, night after 
> night, night
> after night, etc., etc., ad insanity!

You just keep plugging along mate. I can't wait to see the results.

Shane

<sending mental waves of encouragement>











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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:52:24 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AA0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Neil asks:

> and who was that famous australian, I'm 
> pretty sure there
> was one, but was he a Camel pilot? 

A.H (Harry) Cobby, and yes, he certainly did. His aircraft is well known for
the paintings of Charlie Chaplin on each sides.

FWIW Cobby was also decorated for bravery in WW2 - IIRC for diving into a
sinking flying boat to help trapped crewmen to escape.


Shane
















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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:03:45 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: What's on the Workbench?
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AA2@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Neil,

> and for
> some wierd reason mine is in double true-scale thus 1/36.
> 

1/72 == 1/Bittner
1/36 == 1/AlanClarke

You're treading in the path of one of the greats IMO. 



Shane















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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:16:17 -0600
From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel
Message-ID: <07AFB6B7890F4D115A750005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com>

Bob,

>Top 5 Camel aces are
>MacLaren (Canadian)
>Barker (Canadian)
>Gilmour

Gilmour was the leading Scotsman too wasnt he? Unfortunately you dont hear much of 
Scottish, Irish or Welsh contributions in the air. A Scottish WWI Aviators Website along the 
lines of "AFC" or "Canadian Aces" Websites would get me looking regular.



cam
AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:41:40 -0800
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Opinion on Profiles Book
Message-ID: <200101222255.OAA25687@mail.rapidnet.net>

The five view profiles in it are among the best ever done of WW1 aircraft ..
the rest (the vast majority of the book) are best avoided as there are many
inaccuracies in them.

This book was one of my two bibles from age 12 to 25, but has been
superceded by the Datafiles, FMP, OTF etc.

It does give a good encapsulated history of the various aircraft including:
DH2, Nieuport 11-27, Albatros D.I-V, Il'ya, Friedrichshafen, Bristol F2b,
SVA, Caudron G.III and many others.

I paid $12 for mine brand new. ..  and would pay up to $20 for it now as a
reference if I didn't have it already.

Bob

----------
>From: NodalPoint@aol.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>Subject: Opinion on Profiles Book
>Date: Mon, Jan 22, 2001, 1:31 pm
>

>
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone have an opinion on the Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes
> book by Apostolo, Giorgio, etc? I believe it was translated into English from
> Italian. The reprint is 1974.
>
> Just wondering if this is a usefull book and what it covers. I haven't
> personally seen a copy but have seen it listed in a book catalog.
>
> Is it a good reference?
>
> TIA,
> Steve

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:17:47 -0500
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
Message-ID: <009101c084c1$279f9be0$1bf0aec7@default>

> You just keep plugging along mate. I can't wait to see the results.
>
> Shane
>
> <sending mental waves of encouragement>

You hard up for an injection molded kit of this one to come out? ;-)

Great work Bucky! I love the seat cushons and the woodgrain on the floor
boards.
sp


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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:23:10 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Opinion on Profiles Book
Message-ID: <sa6c5e81.061@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Steve asks:

"Anyone have an opinion on the Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes book by Apostolo, Giorgio, etc?"

This is an excellent book, particularly the 4-view drawings.  It features a number of planes that get pretty short shrift elsewhere, and concentrates on planes of the Italian front in addition to the more commonly encountered western front single-seaters.

Some of the captions and color notes are suspect, and the book should be used with some caution and with due attention to recent scholarship.

But for color 4-views of Taube, Caproni, Lohrner, Brandenburg, Ansaldo and various other odd birds, this book is a real pleasure.

One man's opinion, naturally.

Lance




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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:33:22 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Kits for kids - Camel
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AA5@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Bob says:


> Top 5 Camel aces are
> MacLaren (Canadian)
> Barker (Canadian)
> Gilmour
> Jordan
> Quigley

I thought Quigley was a Canadian too - and one of those who survived the
Germans only to fall victim to the Germs

Shane










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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:34:05 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
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SP


> > You just keep plugging along mate. I can't wait to see the results.
> >
> >
> > <sending mental waves of encouragement>
> 
> You hard up for an injection molded kit of this one to come out? ;-)

Damn. Caught in the act.

Shane












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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:45:47 EST
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: ot heads-up
Message-ID: <27.106546d0.279e121b@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/22/01 2:39:27 PM EST, DNSH@aol.com writes:

<< However, I do have a problem with posts that claim a kit is 
worthless/unbuildable without providing the foundation for said opinion. >>


All right, people, here's why:

Basically, the kit was made from incorrect drawings.  As I tried to say, for 
those who know that the Aurora Bristol fighter was done from the incorrect 
William wylkam drawings and is not buildable as an accurate representation of 
that airplane as a result, even with massive scratchbuilding, this is the 
same problem with the Spiteful.

The wings are too thick and too large.

The rudder and vertical fin is too small for the final version and too big 
for the first prototype, and bears no relation to the actual airplane in 
terms of shape.

Ditto the horizontal stabilizers.

The fuselage is too deep in section and too wide in planview.

The shape of the nose bears no relationship to the shape of the Spiteful nose 
other than it is pointed at the end.

The prop blades bear no relationship to the blades of any Griffon-powered 
Spitfire or Spiteful.

The cockpit bears no relationship to the original, being more an 
approximation of a Spitfire cockpit.

The overall production design and production quality are reminiscent of the 
very primitive limited-run kits, and would make such kits from HiTech as the 
P-63 Kingcobra (which has been universally condemned) look like 
top-of-the-line Tamigawa.  Production quality control makes the ICM Spitfire 
IX (also universally condemned, not just by me) look like a Tamigawa product. 
 I am personally amazed at these facts, given the quality of design of recent 
Blue Max and Pregasus products at least since the POfalz D.XII and Nieuport 
28.

The kit is in no way worth $42.00, particularly when the accurate Falcon 
vacuform (whose only "fault" is raised panel lines and is the kind of 
vacuform even the vacuphobic will have no trouble with) is available for less 
than half this price. 

Satisfied??

Cheers,

Tom Cleaver


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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:46:40 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: ot heads-up
Message-ID: <002b01c084c5$62bdbf00$d2e579a5@com>

Dan Hartz wrote:

However, I do have a problem with posts that claim a kit is
worthless/unbuildable without providing the foundation for said opinion. I
also have a problem when the tenor of the post is just plain rude.  The
Pegasus/Chris Gannon posts buy Mr. Cleaver have become personal attacks

Hi Dan,

    I agree that the statements made about the kit, apart from being ot,
were not ones that I would have made and should have been different - if
only for civility.  My stance on Mr. Gannon's products should be well-known
by now: I have the Brisfit and the Halberstadt and they both suffer from
wing ripple (as does the Pfalz D.XII).  I paid a good bit for these kits,
and was disappointed.  HOWEVER: when I e-mailed Mr. Gannon, he was very
accomodating in that he offered to replace the parts if I would mail the bad
ones to him - something that I have not done, and probably won't now since I
have made up my mind that I can fix them myself.  I have to say that this
was good customer service (the reply was rather prompt), and it has been my
laziness that has kept this from happening.  Of course, the arguement that I
and others have made, is that this (getting replacement parts) shouldn't be
neccessary in the first place.  Now, I figure to Hell with it all.  These
are nothing but f-ing model planes anyway, and whether I have to fix
something that is essentially a kid's toy that has been scaled up to meet
finicky adults' esoteric tastes should be the least of my concerns.  I have
more pressing things going on in my life.

    Also, I have posted pics of my BM D.H.2 - a kit which I found to be a
challenge, but plenty of fun, and I enjoyed it alot.  It is my first boomer,
and the appearance of the kit reflects my own modelling shortcomings, not
Blue Max's!  To repeat what I said before about BM's quality, it keeps
getting better.  The prices ARE a bit steep (at least when I bought them
thru Squadron), but I always have the alternative of sheet styrene and
scratchbuilding: something that I am more than capable of.

    There is no room for personal attacks (my last few have left me feeling
rotten and got me nowhere except up people's noses).  I'd like to see it
stop.  I can agree with you all the way on that.  Rodney King had the right
idea.


DB


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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:52:23 -0500
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
Message-ID: <011f01c084c5$fd51e3c0$1bf0aec7@default>

> > You hard up for an injection molded kit of this one to come out? ;-)
>
> Damn. Caught in the act.
>
> Shane

Bwahahahaha
Well it works both ways and you've done yer time on the short end of that
stick. :-)
sp


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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:00:42 EST
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: ot heads-up
Message-ID: <4d.6722e54.279e159a@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/22/01 4:03:27 PM EST, Ray_B@prontomail.com writes:

<< Sorry as far as Tom is concerned I take his views on 
 Pegasus and BlueMax with a pinch of salt. Tom in my oppinion has 
 because of previous views lost credibility on this one subject. T >>


Funny, even Gannon thinks my criticism is informed and fair.

TC

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:05:01 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AA8@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

SP

> >
> > Damn. Caught in the act.
> >
> 
> Bwahahahaha
>
> Well it works both ways and you've done yer time on the short 
> end of that stick. :-)

:-(  True enough. 

OTOH, like Baldrick, I have a devilish cunning plan. For many years I kept
my scratchbuilding to a single subject for fear of never finishing anything
at all. But it seems that once I get to a certain point in a scratchbuild
someone will release a kit SO...

I now have three scratchbuilds under way. From the W.4 I have determined
that I only needed to make wings and tailplane for a decent resin to be
released (Thanks Eric) but with the recent Eduard announcement it appears
that the entire airframe needs to be ready for an injection moulded kit to
appear - though actual assembly is not required.

I built half a fuselage for an LVG, then stopped. Eric announced a kit, then
withdrew. I made some more LVG bits and pieces and *BM* announced an
upcoming kit.

Do you see a pattern here? With a little more experimentation I should be
able to determine the minimum effort required to Call The Styrene Gods - and
with some fine tuning I should be able to choose from injection, short run
or resin. 

;-)

Shane














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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:07:37 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: What's on the Workbench?
Message-ID: <200101222307.PAA04188@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:09:19 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote:

> 1/72 == 1/Bittner
> 1/36 == 1/AlanClarke
> 
> You're treading in the path of one of the greats IMO. 

Gee, thanks Shane! ;-)


Matt Bittner



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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:13:21 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: What's on the Workbench?
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748AAA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Matt tries (and he *is* trying)


> > 1/72 == 1/Bittner
> > 1/36 == 1/AlanClarke
> > 
> > You're treading in the path of one of the greats IMO. 
> 
> Gee, thanks Shane! ;-)

Haha - I knew you'd try a little creative snipping. 

Shane














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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:15:06 -0500
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: ot heads-up
Message-ID: <013101c084c9$297c9fa0$1bf0aec7@default>

> Funny, even Gannon thinks my criticism is informed and fair.
>
> TC

Well in light of this and the previously enumerated faults with the kit, I
suppose you're entitled to write the occasional "spiteful" review. ;-)

couldn't resist
sp


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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:16:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: New VAMP Order
Message-ID: <20010122211659.52693.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com>

Dale,

I over estimated your price.  It is $30.50.

Todd

--- Dale Sebring <alleluja@ida.net> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Todd Hayes" <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list"
> <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: New VAMP Order
> 
> 
> > Hi Dale,
> > 
> > No problem.  With shipping the total is $32.  Make
> the
> > check out to Betty Hayes.  My address is:
> > 
> > Todd Hayes
> > 2910 Market
> > Burlington, IA.
> > 52601
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Todd, I'll send check tomarrow.
> Regards,
> Dale
> 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Todd Hayes" <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list"
> > > <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 11:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New VAMP Order
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > That we are Alvie.  Lubos still lists the
> Bristol
> > > and
> > > > Ansaldo too.  They're $25.5 ea. Not including
> > > > shipping.  I can't give a shipping charge yet,
> but
> > > > with yours I estimate it will be about $1.75
> each
> > > from
> > > > Lubos to me and about $5 for both together
> from me
> > > to
> > > > you.  The first VAMP order should get to me
> next
> > > week
> > > > and I'll send them out right away.
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Todd, would it be possible to get a !/48
> Bristol
> > > M1C with your Lubos
> > > order?
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dale
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great
> prices. 
> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > 
> 


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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:17:53 -0500
From: "Brad & Merville" <BigglesRFC@globalserve.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel
Message-ID: <006301c084c9$a709bca0$90885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup>

Hi Neil

     McCudden, Mannock and Lambert were SE5a (which incidentally was the
best British fighter of the war ;0p ) aces.
     The top Camel aces were: McClaren 54 (Cdn),  Barker 52 (Cdn),  Gilmour
40 (Scot),  Jordan 34 (Eng),  Quigley 34 (Cdn),  Cobby 32 (Aus),  Woollett
35 (Eng),  McEwen 27 (Cdn),  Rochford 29 (Eng),  Kinkead 35 (S. Afrcn),
Collishaw 62 (Cdn),  Fall 36 (Cdn)...

Note scores shown are the aces total score including victories scored while
flying other types.  With the exception of Collishaw most of the scores
above were obtained on the Camel.  The majority of Collishaw's were done on
the Sopwith Triplane which is basically a Camel with an extra wing and one
less gun ; )

   I think your synopsis of the Camel is bang on.  It's a shame they're not
a little older and we could recommend 'Winged Victory' to them.  Oh... and
you also left out the most famous Camel jockey of them all... Snoopy!

Cheers
Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:11 AM
Subject: Kits for kids - Camel


>Hi Steve and everyone else. Here's what I wrote about the Camel, as usual
>I can write plenty on the technical bits, but go completely to pieces when
>it
>comes to history. Who were the Camel aces, did McCudden fly Camels,
>or was it Mannock, and who was that famous Australian, I'm pretty sure
there
>was one, but was he a Camel pilot? Also how about my version of MvR's death
>how many of you are now choking to death over your keyboards, I'll be happy
>to change
>anything, just let me know:-). Just remember I have to keep it quite
simple.
>/Neil
>Ps. I'm not actually sure wether the Camel went best to the right, or the
>left, I think
>it was to the right, anybody good at mechanics/physics is wlcome to correct
>my
>explanation.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>-----------------------------------
>The Sopwith Camel was a strange aeroplane, it was probably the best British
>fighter in World War One. But it was by no means the fastest fighter, it's
>strength
>was manouvrability, if the pilot was good. For a novice pilot it was a
>dangerous
>beast, very easy to stall and crash. The pilot who knew the camel would
>always
>turn right in a dogfight, if he did this he could turn better than any
other
>plane,
>better even than the Fokker Dr1, if he turned left he was in trouble,
>because in
>that direction the Camel was a poor turner. The reason for this was that
the
>Camel
>had a rotary engine, which meant that the whole engine span with the
>propeller,
>as the engine spun to the right it meant that there was a gyroscopic effect
>that
>tightened tuns in that direction,  turning left meant that the plane had to
>sort of
>fight against the spinning engine. There were many other planes with rotary
>engines
>but the Camel also had everything heavy like the engine, pilot,
machine-guns
>
>concentrated in the nose, this concentration of mass exagerated the
>gyroscopic
>effect, making it a very tricky aircraft, both to friend and enemy.
>
>Other good things about the Camel was that it was light so a good climber,
>strong
>and with two machine-guns well armed. Disadvantages were really just that
it
>was
>difficult to fly well, and maybe a trifle slow. Later in the war they put
>Bentley engines
>in the Camels which made them much better. The reason it was called a Camel
>was
>because of the humped cowling over the machine-guns, it reminded people of
a
>Camels
>hump.
>
>Many famous pilots flew the Camel, McCudden ???????????????....... Bill
>Lambert
>of Canada, the famous Australian pilot Cobber Kain (or was that WW2)
>HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>I'm useless on aces.
>
>Possibly the Camel pilot who became most famous was Roy Brown,  he was a
>flight
>commander in the RFC, very experienced, and rather tired of the war, still
>doing the best
>he could. One day he was on patrol when his squadron got embroiled in a big
>dogfight
>with one of the crack german Jastas, he saw one of his youngsters called
>May, going
>down with a red Fokker triplane on its tail, and gave chase. This
distracted
>the Fokker
>pilot enough to let May escape, then Roy Brown chased the Fokker right down
>to low level
>just above the trenches, finally he got in some good shots and the Fokker
>crashed.
>It turned out that the pilot of the red Fokker who was killed, was the red
>baron himself
>Manfred von Richthofen, the greatest ace of the first world war. This
battle
>has been
>discussed ever since, many people say that he was shot down by australian
>soldiers in
>the trenches, but in any case it was Roy Brown who drove him down to that
>dangerous low level.
>I guess we will never know the truth.
>
>The Camel pilots concentrated on ground-attack towards the end of the war,
>this was the most
>dangerous flying of all. Most pilots weren't too scared of air combat, but
>when it came to flying at
>low-level where the could be shot down by rifle fire from the trenches,
then
>they were really
>scared. Finally the Camel was replaced by a new plane called the Sopwith
>Snipe, the Sopwith
>company changed its name to Hawker and eventually built the Hawker
Hurricane
>and the AV8B
>Harrier which is in service with the US marines today.
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:23:32 -0500
From: "Lyle Lamboley" <lamboley@earthlink.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: ot heads-up
Message-ID: <009401c084ca$589390e0$2adad73f@lylelamb>

Tom,


> Basically, the kit was made from incorrect drawings.  As I tried to say,
for
> those who know that the Aurora Bristol fighter was done from the incorrect
> William wylkam drawings and is not buildable as an accurate representation
of
> that airplane as a result, even with massive scratchbuilding, this is the
> same problem with the Spiteful.
>

There is a comment from Wally Batter in the first Scale Special issue of WWI
Aero, where he states that Leo Opdycke built a model from the Wylam
drawings, and states that "Leo's model had the lines of a pregnant eel aft
of the gunner's cockpit."  The article then went on to state that accuracy
in drawings is a pain but essential for accurate modeling (and full-scale
building).
Seems that the bugaboo that's bedeviled Revell for using the Wylam drawings
in its big D.VII is making the rounds in the modeling industry.
Lyle


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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:24:52 -0500
From: "Brad & Merville" <BigglesRFC@globalserve.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Opinion on Profiles Book
Message-ID: <008001c084ca$861d47e0$90885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup>

Warning!  This book has no SE5a!  Other than that... what Bob said.  : )

Brad

(It does however have the Handley Page 0/400 which almost makes up for the
omitted SE )

-----Original Message-----
From: NodalPoint@aol.com <NodalPoint@aol.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:29 PM
Subject: Opinion on Profiles Book


>
>
>Hi,
>
>Anyone have an opinion on the Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes
>book by Apostolo, Giorgio, etc? I believe it was translated into English
from
>Italian. The reprint is 1974.
>
>Just wondering if this is a usefull book and what it covers. I haven't
>personally seen a copy but have seen it listed in a book catalog.
>
>Is it a good reference?
>
>TIA,
>Steve
>


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