WWI Digest 2999 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: What's on the Workbench? by "Mark Shannon" 2) RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats by "Bucky" 3) Re: Most Important? by "DAVID BURKE" 4) RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats by Crawford Neil 5) Re: ot heads-up by "DAVID BURKE" 6) RE: ot heads-up by Crawford Neil 7) Re: What's on the Workbench? by "Dale Sebring" 8) Roden Gotha's from NKR by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 9) Re: ot heads-up by "Lance Krieg" 10) Re: What's on the Workbench? (warning: brief ot excursion) by "Mark Shannon" 11) RE: What's on the Workbench? by Crawford Neil 12) RE: What's on the Workbench? (warning: brief ot excursion) by Crawford Neil 13) Music by "Dale Sebring" 14) Re: Wood simulation by "TOM PLESHA" 15) Re: Music by "Mark Shannon" 16) Re: Wood Simulation by "Mark Shannon" 17) by 00tA98Ls1@komekome.bay.prug.or.jp 18) Windless in St. John's by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 19) Re: Kits for kids - Camel by "cameron rile" 20) Re: Windless in St. John's by "Lance Krieg" 21) Re: Windless in St. John's by "Michael Kendix" 22) Re: Music (ot) by "Mark Shannon" 23) Re: Windless in St. John's by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Benoist by Friedrich Kappes 25) Re: Windless in St. John's by Al Superczynski 26) Re: ot heads-up by DNSH@aol.com 27) Scarce Books by "Ken Acosta" 28) Re: Kits for kids - Camel by "Bob Pearson" 29) Re: Windless in St. John's by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 30) Re: Windless in St. John's by "Matt Bittner" 31) CSM 1 1/2 Strutter by "Graham Hunter" 32) Re: Windless in St. John's by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 33) Re: Windless in St. John's by "Dale Sebring" 34) Re: Re: ot heads-up by "Ray Boorman" 35) Opinion on Profiles Book by NodalPoint@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:22:12 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: What's on the Workbench? Message-ID: In my case, a lot of bits and pieces and tins of paint. Some of the bits and pieces are slowly beginning to take the form of three Albatri for the cookup. At the moment, the various cockpit bits are trying to interact with the various tins of paint, and when they have daubed themselves, a few of them get together to socialize inside this shell bit. A kicker in the equation for their proper mating is that there are two types of Albatri with three different approaches to the PE bits. But it does make for a merry dance. Another crinkle in the equation are the bits that actually are forming themselves into a couple of ot ground dwelling units. These bits are getting greatly upset with the flittering aircraft bits that swirl around them and mock them as stuck in the mud and desert sands. The tins of paint also get into the equation, as they keep trying to make their own intimacy of mixing to replicate new information developed on the nature of the Albatri colors, AFV colors, and the wistful thoughts of a friend on mixing Japanese aircraft colors from his researches on artifacts at the Nimitz Museum. And here we thought that WWI colors were a area of contradictions. (and ask Matt about what has developed in the knowledge of VVS colors.) So all the while this merry dance continues on my workbench. Up until last week it was to the music from the Carlyle Floyd new opera 'Cold Sassy Tree', but now the beloved strains of Bizet's 'Carmen' are creeping into the brain coordinating this dance, and gypsy rhythms, flamenco stylings, and cries of "Toreador!" add to the nuances. And, as you can see, my work space thus has a Lewis Carroll element to it, and Alice would have been both enchanted and confused if she had had to traverse the terrain. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:54:24 +0900 From: "Bucky" To: Subject: RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats Message-ID: <002601c08483$61f67d60$074207d3@compaqcomputer> Volker, thanks a LOT for that great Friedridactyl poop (gee, that sounds funny as I write that and mumble aloud!). Don't know what I would have done without you! I will definitely be thanking you in my mind as I go through the final assembly stages. You RULE!!! Neil, thanks for the encouragement. I NEED IT!!! LATEST DEVELOPMENT: the fuselage has been closed up after a final flat overspraying to tone down the woodwork and putting in a last couple of detail doodads (hope everyone noticed the "reverse side lozenge" in the rear gunners station!), including gimbal compass and electric lantern (sorry, no LED gimmickry here, though) in the bombardier's section. Seats for bomb. and rear gunner have not gone in yet, though, because 1) I have to do more Milliput seat cushions and 2) I want to align the seats correctly using the gun ring apertures as guides. This is definitely the kookiest model undertaking I have ever...ummm...errr...undertaken. I try not to think about how much farther I still have to go. Just plug away a little bit at a time a couple of hours a night, night after night, night after night, etc., etc., ad insanity! Bucky p.s. Anybody have some leftover 1/48 Strutz material they wouldn't mind parting with? Please contact offline for a donation, trade, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:19:58 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Most Important? Message-ID: <000d01c08486$cc8f4780$bfe779a5@com> Neil wrote: > Hmmm, didn't think of this, maybe Dave is right after all! Nope, you're wrong. (That is, if you mean me!) :-) DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:22:52 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Oodles and oodles of Friedri-dactyl this-and-thats Message-ID: I think the trick is to try and see each newly built part as a complete model. Like Jim Landon is delighted by building a model of a Salmson seat, not just as another step on the road. I try to do that too, but it doesn't help. I just keep plugging, finally the hell is over, for a couple of days you swear to never scratch-build again, and then suddenly the itch jumps on you, it never fails. To be honest it's the idea of all the fame and honour that will be heaped on me when I'm finished that keeps me going;-). I really hope you get through that model, it's going to be magnificent. /Neil > > I try not to think about how much farther I still have to go. > Just plug away > a little bit at a time a couple of hours a night, night after > night, night > after night, etc., etc., ad insanity! > > Bucky > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:20:59 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ot heads-up Message-ID: <003701c08487$37c6ca00$bfe779a5@com> > As to Tom's ot content I don't think he's much worse than any of > us, I enjoy his posts. > /Neil Ditto. (for the most part) DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:29:30 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ot heads-up Message-ID: > > (for the most part) > Ditto /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:29:15 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: What's on the Workbench? Message-ID: <001301c08488$14d69600$78a58dd0@main> Mark said: > So all the while this merry dance continues on my workbench. Up until last week it was to the music from the Carlyle Floyd new opera 'Cold Sassy Tree', but now the beloved strains of Bizet's 'Carmen' are creeping into the brain coordinating this dance, and gypsy rhythms, flamenco stylings, and cries of "Toreador!" add to the nuances. Thank you Mark, I thought perhaps I might be the only listee that enjoys opera, especially "Carmen" which is a favorite of mine. Regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:42:30 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Roden Gotha's from NKR Message-ID: Hi Folks, I pre-ordered my Gotha from Earl at NKR over the weekend. At $32Aud, that works out to $17.47US. With economy air shipping, about $21-22 total. No need, in the States anyway, to order from Hannants and pay more. Why anyone on this side of the pond does business with Hannants is beyond me anyway(just my experiences with them). Well, right now NKR seems about the best, because of the exchange rate, especially if you plan on ordering a couple. Yes, plug for NKR and mudsling at Hannants. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:51:14 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: ot heads-up Message-ID: Cyg ruminates about the Blue Max Dr.I: "Today I would probably snap it up." I have this kit, if you would like to discuss a swap contact me off-list. I've built my last Fokker triplane. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:01:40 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: What's on the Workbench? (warning: brief ot excursion) Message-ID: Dale wrote: >Thank you Mark, I thought perhaps I might be the only listee that enjoys >opera, especially "Carmen" which is a favorite of mine. > >Regards, >Dale The problem is that I also sing the stuff, and so I'm having to memorize the words and music, along with the particular French diction that we are using. (I always drove my French teachers crazy because they would try to impart the Parisian accent, while I learned my basic French at my Grandmere and Grandpere's knee in a mixture of Norman and Marseilles accents) Fortunately, there is an intervening production of Die Walkeuere, which does not use chorus. This allows us a bit of extra time as there is a heck of a lot the chorus does in Carmen, and we have been promised a very athletic production (Austin is tearing down it's old coliseum for a new civic center/performing arts complex, so the opera company has carte blanche to redecorate for the staging. Tidbits indicate the entrances for the patrons will be through a gypsy camp/bazaar, with denizens played by guess who, as a pre-curtain immersion in the atmosphere of Carmen's Seville). Performances are early May. .Mark. (Who is wishing that he could reliably insert foreign accents, umlauts, and the like into e-mail) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:06:04 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: What's on the Workbench? Message-ID: Right now my workbench is covered in newspapers, in the middle a golden Sea Fury glistens. I sprayed it with bronze SNJ last night, amazing how well it shows up all the poor sanding I've done, must be the perfect undercoat! One side of my work-bench is perfectly clean, that's because I spilt my can of thinner on that side. Luckily tidied away is my scratchbuild project, which I am sorry to reveal is ot, but it is a biplane, and it is a DeHavilland so maybe only half-pennance is required. Mårten and I are having a little DH83 Fox Moth cook-up, his is in the true scale, and for some wierd reason mine is in double true-scale thus 1/36. Apart from that my workbench is dominated by a large radio, that usually tells me everything possible about sport, not because I'm particuarly interested, but at least it doesn't irritate me. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:13:20 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: What's on the Workbench? (warning: brief ot excursion) Message-ID: Which reminds me of my german lessons, my teacher always got me for my awful pronounciation, I had an english accent on my german, the other kids gave their german a swedish accent, which she didn't notice. It still hurts;-) /Neil Mark wrote: > The problem is that I also sing the stuff, and so I'm having > to memorize the words and music, along with the particular > French diction that we are using. (I always drove my French > teachers crazy because they would try to impart the Parisian > accent, while I learned my basic French at my Grandmere and > Grandpere's knee in a mixture of Norman and Marseilles accents) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:00:30 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Music Message-ID: <001901c08494$d4683800$b1b58dd0@main> Mark, how exciting-you must have a fine vioce. I limit my signing to the shower. This summer my wife will be performing with the Utah Festival Opera Company & we're very excited. OT- I hope to get some pictures of my junk to Matt soon...we'll see. What are you doing for the cook-up? Best regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:10:51 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Wood simulation Message-ID: <002901c08496$46d997c0$8d414c0c@tom> Mark- One thing I tried late last night was about 4 drops of MM insignia red with a cup full of thinner. It took many many coats, I did not count them, but I think it might work. Right now I'm experimenting with various ways for the wood finish. I have gone to the galleries and read what others are doing. Not all things work for everyone the same way. When I find what works for me, I'll post it. thanks Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaughan-Jackson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Wood simulation > Tom, > I've never had a good result using Tamiya clear anything except totlyy > immersing said part (like clear lenses etc). > It don't brush well it don't airbrush too well neither. > > I've found all of their clears have a consistency unlike anything else in > the Tamiya line (and I have most of them). The clears are like maple syrup. > > In other words it is an utter pain in the proverbials. . .tried a subsitute?? > > MVJ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:21:21 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Music Message-ID: Dale writes: >OT- I hope to get some pictures of my junk to Matt soon...we'll see. What >are you doing for the cook-up? > >Best regards, >Dale I'm not all that imaginative, I guess. I'm working on a Voss D.III, Johansson's flowered D.III, and Flashar's/Hippel's multi legged dragon ( at least I think they are supposed to be legs) For the Sopwith, I'm doing the Collishaw Tripehound SOoB. If I get my act together, I also have the Booker Tripehound and a Pup. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:40:23 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Wood Simulation Message-ID: Humbrol has the clear colors as well. I haven't worked too hard with them, so I don't know how they behave in an airbrush, but they are also different in consistency from the usual Humbrol paints. They have red, green and orange (more chrome yellow deep), but no blue. For the Tamiya, I have found that they are not compatible with Future, so that is out, I have had my best luck with painting them on, then wiping along the 'grain' down the area with a damp paper towel - just like applying stain. I like to mix red, green, and yellow together in about a 1:1:4 ratio. This gives a dark honey color On the other hand, I have also had pretty good luck with using Future tinted with food color. In this case, you need to get a four color set and don't try to make the Future too dark a tint. Thin the Future about 3:1 to about 2:1 with water (or Windex or windshield washer fluid) and apply in very light coats. (For those not in the U.S., insert Kleer or your local version everywhere this missive says Future) It is hard to show the kind of finish this treatment gives in web photos. It gives a 'depth' of color effect that is lost in photos, but brings out the faux wood graining effect of the paint and pencil when viewed in person. .Mark. ------------------------------ From: 00tA98Ls1@komekome.bay.prug.or.jp Message-ID: ATTENTION VETERANS

ATTENTION VETERANS 

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAVE MONEY, SKIP UP TO TWO PAYMENTS AND POSSIBLY PUT CASH IN YOUR POCKET...  FOR ONLY FIVE MINUTES OF YOUR TIME! 

Reduction Refinance Program

KEY BENEFITS

1)  100% V.A. approval Program.

2)  No Appraisal or credit reports required.

3)  Slow pay mortgage history, "No Problem".

4)  Bad credit, slow pay, "A.O.K.".

5)  Assumed a V.A. loan, "No Problem".

6)  V.A. Arm Loans, "No Problem".

7)  V.A. Non Owners, "Come on down".

8)  Surviving V.A. Spouse,  "O.K. Here".

9)  Loan currently in default , "We can help".

 

GUARANTEED FAST APPROVALS IN 49 STATES

 

For more information mailto:?jmasters@desertmail.com?subject=refi

To be removed send an email to: goodfortune@libero.it?subject=REMOVE

------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:39:00 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: Okay, I need some help. I have this plane (ot so I won't mention the name) It has lots of windows down the sides that (of course) popped out when I tried to mask them. Remember those lovely little clear bits lining the insides of old Airfix kits?? Well now I have a loveley winged maracca!. Tried using some Krystal Kleer instand window liquid. Worked fine on one window but for some reason the others just suck it up. Windows are at the top of the size limit for using Kleer but heck, if one worked why not the others? Anyone have any suggestions about glazing these suckers - bearing in mind I'm working from the outside in. Plane is now togehter and painted. Apologies for the ot but I'm a tad desperate!! TIA MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:16:01 -0600 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel Message-ID: <44D65CE2470F4D115AE50005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Neil, Nice writeup, >Many famous pilots flew the Camel, McCudden ???????????????...Bill Lambert >of Canada, the famous Australian pilot Cobber Kain (or was that WW2) >HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >I'm useless on aces. Cobber Kain was a very aggressive Kiwi ( New Zealander ) who flew with the RAF in WWII. The name you are looking for is probably Arthur Cobby, he was a veryy aggressive Australian who flew with 4 Sqn AFC.The other higher scoring Australian aces were Little and Dallas who also flew Camels with the RNAS and later RAF namesakes, but Cobby was the Australian Camel ace. All his vics were solely on the Camel. Cobby was a larrikin when young and age and rank didnt change him lol. cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:55:46 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: Hmmm... "Tried using some Krystal Kleer instand window liquid. Worked fine on one window but for some reason the others just suck it up." Well, you're pretty well scuppered if the Krystal Kleer won't work. You have, of course, tried multiple coats? For one or two windows, I've slipped a slightly over-sized pane of clear plastic in diagonally, and used a suction part-picker to pull it up to the opening, the back of which was smeared with white glue. It was tedious and frustrating. For a whole row, I guess I would try to cut individual clear windows of the exact size of the opening, apply white glue or Krystal Kleer to the edges of the opening, and gently float the window onto the glue. I believe this will be tedious and frustrating too, perhaps marginally less so. Or forego clear windows, and plug them with gloss blue-black squares like one would treat a solid model? Whatever your course, I predict you'll glue the windows in better, next time! Good luck... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:09:06 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: Mark: >"Tried using some Krystal Kleer instand window liquid. Worked fine on >one >window but for some reason the others just suck it up." Do you put a well-coated sizeable brush into the hole and try to get it like that? Don't know what to do. I hope you're not doing that terrible C-47:)! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:13:59 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Music (ot) Message-ID: One final bit on this.... To see what I do, and find some photos of yours truly, the URL is: http://www.alochorus.org/chorus.htm Look under 'Basses' for a picture of me in repose, action pictures of me include several for 'Andrea Chenier' (Act III) and I'm the one kneeling in the front of the photo in the index for 'La Traviata', I'm also the chubby little rascal in one of the saloon pictures in 'Ballad of Baby Doe' (some of that was a weightlifting support belt under the shirt, since I had to lift, at various times in the production, four sopranos, the lead baritone, and the very large bass who sang William Jennings Bryant.) and one of the shadow figures (in the tall fore-and-aft hat) behind the guillotine. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:19:01 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: <000701c084a8$2f1d5ec0$b48eaec7@com> Take a piece of clear Scotch tape. Mix up some 5-minute epoxy and put it in a bead down the center of the tape. Now, before the epoxy sets up, stick it to the fuselage and preferably good and tight so the it follows the contour of the surrounding fuselage. Leave the epoxy to set with the taped side down. Once the epoxy has mostly set, remove the tape. In an hour or so, start sanding away the excess epoxy on the outside. Good quality epoxy will take a treatment with a polishing cloth and will fill the windows nicely with few or no bubbles. DB ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 01 20:30:00 MET From: Friedrich Kappes To: , , Subject: Benoist Message-ID: <20010122193000.22126.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net> Hallo groups: What was the range of the Benoist XIV? This was an American flying boat of the early 1910s. Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes Lots of nice links, pictures (photos, drawings, ...), book reviews, literature aids, a dictionary,... ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:34:37 -0600 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: <1m2p6tkere7949q065acaicudaem0c1i0a@4ax.com> >Tried using some Krystal Kleer instand window liquid. Worked fine on one window but for some reason the >others just suck it up. Try propping the fuselage so that the Krystal Kleer sags *downwards* (to the outside) while it's setting up. If that doesn't do it you could use a strip of clear decal over the windows - fragile but easy enough to repair if one gets punctured. HTH, Al http://apollo.up-link.net/~modeleral ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:36:34 EST From: DNSH@aol.com To: Subject: Re: ot heads-up Message-ID: <5d.630a61d.279de5c3@aol.com> HI, I just want to clarify a few points about my previous post. First, I don't have a problem with Mr. Cleaver's ot posts either, because I build various era subjects in both scales. Secondly, I also enjoy Mr. Cleaver's posts when they are helpful and informative. However, I do have a problem with posts that claim a kit is worthless/unbuildable without providing the foundation for said opinion. I also have a problem when the tenor of the post is just plain rude. The Pegasus/Chris Gannon posts buy Mr. Cleaver have become personal attacks. This list has been extremely civilized (especially when compared to RMS) and on the few occasions when people have crossed the line, the list has called people on it. It does seem though that Mr. Cleaver has been allowed much more leeway in his postings, and I simply wanted to express my opinon that I was fed up with the rudeness. I suppose I could skip the posts, but I prefer to read all posts as I am always amazed at what I can learn from ! each post. Take care, Dan Hartz In a message dated Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:27:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, "DAVID BURKE" writes: << > As to Tom's ot content I don't think he's much worse than any of > us, I enjoy his posts. > /Neil Ditto. (for the most part) DB >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:57:12 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Scarce Books Message-ID: All- Just back from a week's vacation in the Colorado mountains and now plowing through a stack of digests. Patiently waiting on my desk upon my return was an envelope from a book shop in Stillwater, Minnesota, that contained a copy of the Mikesh Albatros book for which I have been hunting high and low for at least 70 years. This is probably the crown jewel of all of the out-of-print books that I've been able to track down and acquire through AddAll used book search (http://www.addall.com/used/) . I don't recall who, but someone on the List posted a note about this outfit several months ago and I've had the URL bookmarked ever since. Because of the dynamic nature of the used book market, if AddAll can't find it one day, that doesn't mean they can't find it next week, so keep trying. The service scans the shelves of bookshops around the world and, if the book is found, provides the avenue through which you can order it. I've found some OOP aviation books hiding in Australia and the UK, as well as a killer cookbook in Canada. I have a list of books that my shelves need, but the list is shrinking thanks to AddAll. Not an employee, just an immensely satisfied customer. KA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:02:47 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits for kids - Camel Message-ID: <200101222117.NAA21605@mail.rapidnet.net> Hi Neil, None of your pilots made their names on the Camel. .. the first two flew the SE5a (and DH2 in McCudden's case), while the last flew the late model Sopwith aka Hurricane. Top 5 Camel aces are MacLaren (Canadian) Barker (Canadian) Gilmour Jordan Quigley Bob Pearson ---------- >From: Crawford Neil >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Kits for kids - Camel >Date: Mon, Jan 22, 2001, 6:08 am > > Many famous pilots flew the Camel, McCudden ???????????????....... Bill > Lambert > of Canada, the famous Australian pilot Cobber Kain (or was that WW2) > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I'm useless on aces. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:04:05 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: thanks to all who replied. I'll try the big bad brush method. . .(Doh! why didn't I think of that? Guess I'm just used to using toothpicks. Michael asked "I hope you're not doing that terrible C-47:)! So I'll answer. . .not a terrible C-47 but an 'orrible 'udson. . . .and after I spent so much time faring in the pug ugly gun turret!!. Slewing this back to OT I just count my lucky stars that with your basic WWI flier no one tried to take a perfectly pretty plane and stuff an whopping great Bouton Paul turret on it. . .what were they thinking? Both the Brits, the French . . .and the Russians come to think of it. . .seemed to have no qualms about ruining any aesthetic or even aerodynamic properites by adding an ugly half ton turret??? God, I can't wait to get back to OT. . .the clock is ticking. Either I finish tonight or I go insane. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:32:36 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: <200101222032.MAA20670@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:28:47 -0500 (EST), Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > Slewing this back to OT I just count my lucky stars that with your basic > WWI flier no one tried to take a perfectly pretty plane and stuff an > whopping great Bouton Paul turret on it. . .what were they thinking? Both > the Brits, the French . . .and the Russians come to think of it. . .seemed > to have no qualms about ruining any aesthetic or even aerodynamic > properites by adding an ugly half ton turret??? But the Su-2 was better for it - and I doubt it was the BP one... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:35:44 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: "WWI List (E-mail)" Subject: CSM 1 1/2 Strutter Message-ID: <000201c084b2$e5b89be0$fa0101c0@grahamh> I received my Strutter from Eric last week. Man that is a nice kit Eric! This is going to be a fun build for my first 2 seater :-) Regards, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:31:48 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: >SNIP >But the Su-2 was better for it - and I doubt it was the BP one... :-) > > >Matt Bittner Touche, mon ami. MVJ - heading back to the dungeon that was once my workshop. See you Tuesday, if the fumes don't get me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:50:47 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Windless in St. John's Message-ID: <000d01c084b5$0045df20$95b58dd0@main> Mark wrote: > God, I can't wait to get back to OT. . .the clock is ticking. Either I > finish tonight or I go insane. > > > MVJ Hang in there Mark, you will not only survive but increase in skill & knowledge... You're very disaplined to tackle such a big job! My cudos :-) Best regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:07:21 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re: ot heads-up Message-ID: Sorry but I have to support Dan on this item. In the past 2 years it has become obvious that Tom has a slant where Chris Gannons products are concerned. Sorry as far as Tom is concerned I take his views on Pegasus and BlueMax with a pinch of salt. Tom in my oppinion has because of previous views lost credibility on this one subject. This is a shame since I know Tom means his oppinions in the best way. Its just methinks he doth bash Chris Gannon too much. Bit like the boy who cried wolf imho. If anyone doesnt believe me go through the archives and search for Blue Max and Tom's posts. For the record I am probably just as not credible on Pegasus and Blue Max products since I like them and am willing to work around there foibles. They are in my oppinion great starting points for models that require skill but reward you with subjects that are not generally available. They are also fairly inexpensive to me in canada when bought from the Pegasus/BM website. Just so we know I have a BM Junkers D1 and there latest to me at least the Dolphin and many of the models in between. I also am currently working on a Pegasus Bristol M1c so I know what the early Pegasus models were like too. However there is a larger issue here. About two months ago Tom opened up the can of worms about Windsock and people on this list unfairly giving manufacturers a hard time. Sorry Tom you have to walk the talk here. Even when you post something good about Blue Max you nearly always make reference to it as if this is an isolated case or we got lucky this time. In doing that you completely wreck any credibility of fairness, you also do a small manufacturer an extreme dis-service. You of all people should re-think this attitude you seem to exude. Anyway, I'll get off the soapbox. Ray ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: DNSH@aol.com Sent: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:41:43 -0500 (EST) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ot heads-up HI, I just want to clarify a few points about my previous post.  First, I don't have a problem with Mr. Cleaver's ot posts either, because I build various era subjects in both scales. Secondly, I also enjoy Mr. Cleaver's posts when they are helpful and informative.  However, I do have a problem with posts that claim a kit is worthless/unbuildable without providing the foundation for said opinion. I also have a problem when the tenor of the post is just plain rude.  The Pegasus/Chris Gannon posts buy Mr. Cleaver have become personal attacks.  This list has been extremely civilized (especially when compared to RMS) and on the few occasions when people have crossed the line, the list has called people on it.  It does seem though that Mr. Cleaver has been allowed much more leeway in his postings, and I simply wanted to express my opinon that I was fed up with the rudeness.  I suppose I could skip the posts, but I prefer to read all posts as I am always amazed at what I can learn from ! ! each post. Take care, Dan Hartz ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:27:07 EST From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Opinion on Profiles Book Message-ID: Hi, Anyone have an opinion on the Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes book by Apostolo, Giorgio, etc? I believe it was translated into English from Italian. The reprint is 1974. Just wondering if this is a usefull book and what it covers. I haven't personally seen a copy but have seen it listed in a book catalog. Is it a good reference? TIA, Steve ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2999 **********************