WWI Digest 2987

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Thanks Neil and Steven
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  2) a little bit of fame...
	by "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
  3) Re: giant cookup
	by Allan Wright <aew>
  4) RD Layman, The Cuxhaven Raid
	by Friedrich Kappes <FriedKappes@netscape.net>
  5) Re: Most Important?
	by Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
  6) US carrier/float planes/flying boats
	by Friedrich Kappes <FriedKappes@netscape.net>
  7) RE: Most Important?
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  8) Re: a little bit of fame...
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
  9) RE: 1/48 DVII
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 10) RE: some roumors
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
 11) Re: 1/48 DVII
	by NodalPoint@aol.com
 12) Re: 1/48 DVII
	by "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
 13) Re: Giant Cookup
	by Mark Vaughan-Jackson <mvj@thetelegram.com>
 14) Re: 1/48 DVII
	by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com
 15) Re: Giant Cookup
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 16) Re: some roumors
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
 17) Re: some roumors
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 18) Re: Most Important?
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 19) Re: some roumors
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 20) RE: some roumors
	by Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
 21) Re: some roumors
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 22) Price of Toko/Roden, was Thanks Neil and Steven
	by Jan Vihonen <jan.vihonen@helsinki.fi>
 23) Re: 1/48 DVII
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
 24) Re: Thanks Neil and Steven
	by David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
 25) Hotmail sucks
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 26) Re: Price of Toko/Roden, was Thanks Neil and Steven
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
 27) Re: Hotmail sucks
	by Shane & Lorna Jenkins <sljenkins@tac.com.au>
 28) Re: Hotmail sucks
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 29) Re: Hotmail sucks
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 30) Re: PE Parts Set Update
	by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins)

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:18:37 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Thanks Neil and Steven
Message-ID: <200101181519.HAA06566@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:15:31 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote:

> Helsinki is closer to Russia! 150 crowns sounds rather expensive
> that's 16USD, I don't know what they cost in the US and Britain?

About US$8 at the high end.


Matt Bittner



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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:19:28 +0100
From: "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: a little bit of fame...
Message-ID: <NEEILCFEPCBGPDBHJFKHEEIECEAA.ggraf@vo.lu>

Folks,

this morning at 0530 I was sitting in the warm cockpit of a huge Diesel
locomotive while it was snowing outside, waiting to haul a freight train
from Stockem in Belgium to Thionville in France. Sleepy enough to take a nap
I decided to dig my nose deep into the Febuary issue of AEROPLANE instead...
Bowsing the pages, the Internet column suddenly arouse my attention. I got
wide-awake as I read there that they recommend the AERODROME website
together with the WW1 MODELING MAILING LIST, The INTERMET MODELER and last
but not least my JASTA BOELCKE website to their readers, together with somer
other sites.

That's to cool! I never believed that people might really take my site for a
serious source of information. And when I think back to the Decdember 24,
1997 where that Red Baron II flightsim arrived as a mail order from
Sierra/Dynamix I never imagined to end up as a webmaster of a historical
site later. It all begun with my first aerial victory in cyberspace... A wet
palm, a pounding heart and a dry mouth was the result of a Spad X.III
falling to the guns of my Fokker Dr.1... I then wanted to join an online
squadron but found none that I liked to I decided to setup my own squad,
based on the historical Jasta Boelcke. I separated the historical info from
the sim pages later and... well the rest is history.

Read the AEROPLANE! Already the documentation about the Sopwith Doplhin is
worth the buy ;o).

 Gaston Graf
(ggraf@vo.lu)
Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at:
http://www.jastaboelcke.de


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:51:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: giant cookup
Message-ID: <200101181551.KAA04916@pease1.sr.unh.edu>


Bucky,

   PLEASE be very careful when posting NOT to include the entire digest
in your post! When you do it overworks my mailer by making it send an
additional digest that day, and puts a whole copy of that digest in
everyone's e-mail box. 

Thanks,
Allan

Bucky wrote:
> Well, you can count me in for a Friedrichs-dactyl.
> Yes, folks, I'm still alive here, but just barely.
> Wheezing from all the Evergreen plastic dust and CA fumes in the air.
> I'll try to get some progress pix up soon.
> 
> Bucky
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:26 PM
> Subject: WWI digest 2985
> 
> 
> >     WWI Digest 2985

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Date: 18 Jan 01 16:55:39 MET
From: Friedrich Kappes <FriedKappes@netscape.net>
To: <British-Navy@egroups.com>, <aeroplanes@egroups.com>,
Subject: RD Layman, The Cuxhaven Raid
Message-ID: <20010118155540.12973.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net>

RD Layman, The Cuxhaven Raid, London: Conway Maritime Press, 1985.
Somebody owning this book? Could this person send me the info on aircraft
mentioned there, if there´s something on:
Short 38: line drawing
- 74: entry into service, armament (p.e. aboard Ark Royal)
- Folder: armament (p.e. aboard Hermes of 1913)
- 135: entry into service, armament (p.e. aboard Ark Royal)
- 166: entry into service
- N2B, seaplane, 2 seats: any remarks please
- Shirl, torpedobomber, wheels with emergency floats, 1 seat: any remarks on
her?
Sopwith 807: armament (p.e. aboard Ark Royal)
Thank you

Friedrich
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Date: 18 Jan 2001 08:03:40 -0800
From: Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Most Important?
Message-ID: <20010118160340.17183.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net>

On Wed, 17 January 2001, Eli Geher wrote:


> Although general performance and airworthiness improved
> through the war years there were few major state of the art
> improvements.  Junkers metal airplanes were years ahead of
> their time and Fokker defined the structural technology of
> the next decade.  Both of these designers pioneered the use
> of thick airfoil sections, which was arguably the most
> significant aerodynamic improvement of the period.  However,
> the fear of monoplanes that arose early in the war
> unfortunately persisted far too long into peacetime.
> 
> Engine technology through the war years was either tied to
> the automotive industry or to the dead end rotary engine. 
> The big steps didn't occur didn't occur until later, i.e.
> radial engines, high octane fuel and superchargers.
> 
> The least known accomplishment of the period was the
> transition from cut and test design to disciplined
> engineering of airplanes.  Ludwig Prandtl in Germany
> virtually created theoretical aerodynamics.  Barnes Wallace
> in England  and Jerome Hunsicker in the US were true
> pioneers in this area.  Wallace is mainly known for his role
> in the WW2 "Dam busters" operation and I'd be shocked if
> more than a handful ever heard of the other 2 but they and
> others were influential behind the scenes before and during
> WW1.  (Full disclosure notice:  Dr Ludloff at NYU studied
> aerodynamics under Prandtl and I studied aerodynamics under
> Dr Ludloff)
> 
> Back to lurk mode.
> 
> Eli Geher
> Perhaps the most sig

Eli
I find this very surprising
I was always led to believe that one of the benefits of the state of war was that it provides a huge boost to technological advancement. and the example most commonly given to support this idea is the airplane.
this would seem reasonable if you look at the aircraft - 
before WW1 - bleriot, taube
after Fokker DVII, Sopwith Snipe, Spad 13
This seems to me to be a tremendous leap ahead in a relativly short period of time.
I think a quick look at the specs and performance of these AC also provides support for this argument
obviously the seeds had been planted pre-war - but ww1 saw it bear fruit (forgive the analogy)

likewise the interwar period seems to show only limited advancement
then ww2 hits and by the end you have developed the piston-engined AC to it's limit - and operational jets!
I don't claim to be an expert on technology but this does seem to be a pretty convincing argument

Mark Miller



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Date: 18 Jan 01 16:38:35 MET
From: Friedrich Kappes <FriedKappes@netscape.net>
To: <NavalHistoryUSA@egroups.com>, <The-Navy@egroups.com>,
Subject: US carrier/float planes/flying boats
Message-ID: <20010118153835.24847.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net>

Hi, some begging for line drawings and other info:

Douglas DT-2: line drawing of the wheel version
Levy-Lepen R: entry into service/first delivery/... (US service: HB-2)
Martin T3M-2: line drawing (wheel version)
Naval Aircraft Factory PT: line drawing

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:16:14 +0100
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Most Important?
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A017D08E6@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

It's a myth that warfare benefits new technology. If you look at 
aviation the major strides were made between 1903-1912 when the
basic conceptions were worked out. Then between 1919 and 1926,
all the advances in engine-cooling, variable propellors,
retractable undercarriages and all-metal monocoque construction
were made. During the thirties the jet engine  and radar were developed
, and then after WW2 supersonic flight was achieved. Naturally there
are some thing invented during wartime, but mostly the concentration 
is on refinement and production during that time. If you don't believe
me look at the Supermarine S4 from 1926, that lacked very little.
I look forward to the discussion on this one!
/Neil






> I find this very surprising
> I was always led to believe that one of the benefits of the 
> state of war was that it provides a huge boost to 
> technological advancement. and the example most commonly 
> given to support this idea is the airplane.
> this would seem reasonable if you look at the aircraft - 
> before WW1 - bleriot, taube
> after Fokker DVII, Sopwith Snipe, Spad 13
> This seems to me to be a tremendous leap ahead in a relativly 
> short period of time.
> I think a quick look at the specs and performance of these AC 
> also provides support for this argument
> obviously the seeds had been planted pre-war - but ww1 saw it 
> bear fruit (forgive the analogy)
> 
> likewise the interwar period seems to show only limited advancement
> then ww2 hits and by the end you have developed the 
> piston-engined AC to it's limit - and operational jets!
> I don't claim to be an expert on technology but this does 
> seem to be a pretty convincing argument
> 
> Mark Miller
> 
> 
> 
> Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
> http://www.shopping.altavista.com
> 

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:18:35 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: a little bit of fame...
Message-ID: <002f01c0816a$619a6a00$48e479a5@com>

Gaston wrote:


> That's to cool! I never believed that people might really take my site for
a
> serious source of information

They obviously don't know you as well as we do!  ;-)


DB


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:32:52 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: 1/48 DVII
Message-ID: <sa66c66e.083@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Shane enumerated most of the problems with the DML/Hasegawa kit.  The newer drawings in the Albatros Anthologies reveal a rather more seriously undernourished tail section; fin, rudder, and horizontal stabilizer/elevators all need to be enlarged, if you want to match the Ian Stair plans.

That said, I do agree that it is a fine kit, and would welcome a re-release... perhaps with some different louver panels.

Lance


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:45:02 +0100
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: some roumors
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A017D08E7@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

I can't say that "has" was better than "have", I think both variants 
would be correct. But people tell me I speak english with a swedish 
accent, so who am I to tell;-)

Unfortunately the OT content of this is rather sad, no they 
never have done anything in 1/72 :-(
/Neil



Witold Kozakiewicz napisa=B3(a):

> Have DML done OT models in 1/72?
 ^^^^^^
Ups, should be HAS, Sorry but I still must work on my English.
Only one hope that you can understand me.

--=20
           Witold Kozakiewicz

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:58:51 EST
From: NodalPoint@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: 1/48 DVII
Message-ID: <61.a994504.27987acb@aol.com>



So there are no other DVII's being produced in 1/48 right now? Is everyone 
waiting for a possible re-issue of the DML kit then? 

Steve

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:36:51 -0500
From: "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: 1/48 DVII
Message-ID: <004f01c08175$3e7fe620$bf434c0c@tom>

Hi-
If you really need a D.VII, the Monogram release can be had at a reasonable
price.  Other then that nothing that I am aware of is available.
Tom P
----- Original Message -----
From: <NodalPoint@aol.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:28 PM
Subject: 1/48 DVII


>
> Who makes the Fokker DVII in 1/48?
>
> DML right? But are they still producing them? I thought I heard someone
say
> they don't sell that kit anymore.
>
> Any opinions on who's DVII kit is best and where I may order from.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:21:52 -0400
From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson <mvj@thetelegram.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Giant Cookup
Message-ID: <l03130301b68caae3ce47@[192.168.233.66]>

Count me in.
I have a Gotha, Vimy, DH10 and an Ilya. . . .and an HP will be mine, oh yes
it will (chortle chortle)
And of course if I can't decide which to build, maybewe could measure the
cook up time limit in terms of geological eras as opposed to months ;-)

MVJ
(museum show opens Monday, Earhart's Vega just crashed and burned fatally
and the printers have bolixed up the markings. Must remain calm. Okay nurse
pass me the rum and the scalpel, in that order.)



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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:06:25 EST
From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: 1/48 DVII
Message-ID: <49.6467b93.27988aa1@aol.com>

If you do decide to go with the Monogram DVII you're going to have a lot of 
work to do. To start with it's over scale, and the wings need a lot of 
fixing; the tail too. Mine's on the site and I'm quite proud of it, but the 
DML is far better.

cheers

Peter L

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:18:36 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Giant Cookup
Message-ID: <d5.12a3833.27988d7c@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/18/01 12:23:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
sljenkins@tac.com.au writes:

<< > 
 > This could include large aircraft from all combatant countries and could
 > include such aircraft as H.P. 0/400, Vimy, DH10, Muromets, Staaken, Gotha's
 > etc.
 
  Hi andy,
 
  You know the old sayings 'great minds" or "fools seldom differ" cause I
 was thinking along the same lines ;-).
 
  Shane >>

ok....two down....a few more to go......
RK

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:34:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: some roumors
Message-ID: <20010118183434.14022.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com>

What Ernest said!!!

Todd

--- Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Witold Kozakiewicz wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > I have heard some news. I do not know it is for
> sure but Eduard has all
> > DML OT forms including never released Camel.
> (snips).
> > New century, new surprises
> 
> Happy happy joy joy.....
> E.
> 
> 


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:43:29 EST
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: some roumors
Message-ID: <da.119edf4.27989351@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/18/01 7:40:05 AM EST, witk@bg.am.lodz.pl writes:

<< There will be also new manufacturer - KOKODEN - Korean part of Tamiya
 and it will be producing 1914-1935 1/48 airplanes. >>

This would be really nice to hear, for those of us who like all the biplanes 
we can get.  In the meantime, you might want to know that sales have been 
disappointing for Classic Airframes' re-release of the two Boeing biplanes 
(which have better markings than the originals, at least the Army version for 
sure), and the Curtiss Hawks (I consider Golden Age semi-OT).  I've just 
finished doing all of them, with reviews of the Curtiss birds at MM next 
Wednesday - yes, as MPM products there is the continual problem of getting 
the upper wing aligned right because of the strange way they do struts, but 
the results are really nice.  So any other fans of "Golden Age" airplanes 
might want to pick those up, since there may be no further releases in that 
era, at least for awhile.  The P-6E is still coming the first part of 
February.

Tom Cleaver

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:05:53 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Most Important?
Message-ID: <001701c08181$ef47d380$56ef79a5@com>

Neil wrote:

> It's a myth that warfare benefits new technology. If you look at
> aviation the major strides were made between 1903-1912 when the
> basic conceptions were worked out. Then between 1919 and 1926,
> all the advances in engine-cooling, variable propellors,
> retractable undercarriages and all-metal monocoque construction
> were made

Oooh Boy, do I disagree with this!

    I guess that you can make a distinction between what is an already
existing technology which has been adapted to military use, and technology
developed during wartime, but even then it would be folly to suggest that
the ultimate test of man and material is not the forge from where new and
improved technology emerges.

    This is a WWI List, so I shall restrict myself to applicable examples.
It is true that the airplane was invented at the beginnin of the century and
had been in existence for about 10 years by the time the Great War broke
out.  As I have mentioned, the aircraft were very simple: little more than
powered kites with warping controls and very little maneuverability.  They
were designed to fly straight and level, and for very short distances
carrying one (rarely two) person(s).  The crucible that was the Great War
saw - in a space of time that was less than half of the prewar time that the
airplane was in existence - a quantum leap in development.  To list a few
examples, I would cite: ailerons, synchronized guns, powerplant develpoments
(rotary to radial, for example), radio communication from the air, aerial
bombardment, metal airframes and skin, 15,000 ft. (+) ceilings, airspeed
that approached 130MpH (70MpH was fast in 1914), heavy load-carrying, long
range, aerial photoreconnaisance, and other developments.  On the ground, we
see that the idea of the armored tank was invented and developed, poison
gas, artillery developments, etc.  The sea saw (see-saw?) the use of the
combat submarine (the Holland-type engine-driven boat), tordepoes,
armor-piercing naval shells, and different classes of ships - the Destroyer,
IIRC.

    I shall comment on the developments of the '20's and '30's as being
militarily-driven.  The quest for speed (power-plant developments,
retracting gear, etc) were publicly developed by slide-rule types like the
aforementioned (and great) Barnes Wallis, and Reginald Mitchell.  However,
the money for these ventures ultimately came from the respective governments
who were not as surprised by the future German aggression as one might
believe.  If one considers the Great War to have actually lasted from the
outbreak of hostilities in August 1914, to the Japanese surrender in August
of 1945, we see that the situation was actually a 31-year long war.  It saw
the human race go from unsteady flight to being pointed to the very stars
that have mystified us since our ancestors developed eyes and a suitable
brain.

    Consider also that psychology and psychotherapy advanced a great deal
during this time, as did medical and prosthetic technology.  Neccesity is
the Mother of Invention (as was Frank Zappa).  Or more accurately,: 'needs
must as the devil drives'.

    If your point is that there are few, if any, technological advances or
discoveries during wartime, and that what we see as invention is merely
adaptation of peacetime-derived technology, I would disagree and then agree.
You have to consider that both are correct and incorrect.  THere is a lot of
invention and discovery done during wartime.  Much of it is to advance
extant materiel to a more efficient use.  On the other hand, many new things
are come up with too.  As for the jet engine: it goes back to Archimedes'
screw!  A truly ancient idea!


DB


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:09:31 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: some roumors
Message-ID: <001f01c08182$31371940$56ef79a5@com>


Tom said:

>In the meantime, you might want to know that sales have been
> disappointing for Classic Airframes' re-release of the two Boeing biplanes
> (which have better markings than the originals, at least the Army version
for
> sure), and the Curtiss Hawks (I consider Golden Age semi-OT

That's because that they are CRAP!

                                                                DB

...owner of several and feeling like a sucker...


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:27:14 -0600
From: Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: some roumors
Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC60@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com>

Howdy!

DB exclaims:
That's because that they are CRAP!

I would like to gently remind you that you are among friends and should not
hold back. You will only harm yourself by respressing your feelings. So
breath deep and let it out!

:-)

Later!

Brent

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:58:42 EST
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: some roumors
Message-ID: <2d.6378ce5.2798a4f2@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/18/01 2:16:37 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes:

<< 
 That's because that they are CRAP!
 
                                                                 DB
 
 ..owner of several and feeling like a sucker... >>

Sorry you feel that way, DB.  Do check my article at MM next week and see 
they are buildable - and not with that much difficulty for a guy who can do 
what you do to a Blue Max D.H.2!  :-)

Tom

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:06:11 +0200
From: Jan Vihonen <jan.vihonen@helsinki.fi>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Price of Toko/Roden, was Thanks Neil and Steven
Message-ID: <3A674CB3.F1A534A3@helsinki.fi>

Matt Bittner wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:15:31 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote:
> 
> > Helsinki is closer to Russia! 150 crowns sounds rather expensive
> > that's 16USD, I don't know what they cost in the US and Britain?
> 
> About US$8 at the high end.
> 
Here they are from US$ 7.15 to US$ 8.7. But as Helsinki is closer to
Russia, also USA is neighbouring Russia, though only around Alaska
region. ;-)

Jan

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:28:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: 1/48 DVII
Message-ID: <20010118182823.37649.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave,

I know about the DML/Hasegawa kit.  I have one.  I
read in SAMI in l999 that DML was going to re-release
it but that was supposed to be in 2000.  It's the Udet
kit.  Whoever does the re-release is fine by me as
long as it's the DML kit.

Todd

--- DAVID BURKE <dora9@sprynet.com> wrote:
> 
> Todd lamented:
> 
> 
> > I find it kind of strange that the D.VII hasn't
> been
> > reissued since the other DML kits have been
> 
> 
> Yes it has!!!!  Have you not seen in the last few
> weeks where we were
> talking about the Hasegawa release of it a couple of
> years back?  Mark my
> words, it WILL be re-released again, probably soon,
> and probably by DML or
> Hasegawa.
> 
> Keep your eyes open!  It may also be possible that
> Italeri might release it
> as they have done the DML FW-190D-9 and Ta-154 (they
> replaced the ghastly PE
> with injected parts).
> 
>                                                     
>                    DB
> 


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:35:26 +0000
From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Thanks Neil and Steven
Message-ID: <3A670D3E.FD8A756C@dial.pipex.com>



Crawford Neil wrote:

> Helsinki is closer to Russia! 150 crowns sounds rather expensive
> that's 16USD, I don't know what they cost in the US and Britain?
> /Neil
>

UK, 5 or 6 GBP



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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:16:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: Hotmail sucks
Message-ID: <200101182016.PAA07209@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

The list software has informed me that the following address are marked
'funky' and impending doom is soon to happen.....


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<d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:18:55 
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Price of Toko/Roden, was Thanks Neil and Steven
Message-ID: <F1061s7nlT2NqFJ3sl300001068@hotmail.com>

>From: Jan Vihonen <jan.vihonen@helsinki.fi>

>Matt Bittner wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:15:31 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote:
> >
> > > Helsinki is closer to Russia! 150 crowns sounds rather expensive
> > > that's 16USD, I don't know what they cost in the US and Britain?
> >
> > About US$8 at the high end.
> >
>Here they are from US$ 7.15 to US$ 8.7. But as Helsinki is closer to
>Russia, also USA is neighbouring Russia, though only around Alaska
>region. ;-)

I thought Roden was a Ukranian firm.  This was the case for Toko, hence, the 
presence of Ukranian decals (square blue things with a yellow trident or 
something) in the Toko boxes.  Besides, transportation costs are not the 
only issue when it comes to price differences.  Consider the US$ equivalent 
charged by NKR Models in Australia.  Other factors include, local market 
competition, local taxes, overhead of the vendor etc.

Michael
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:23:16 -0800
From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins <sljenkins@tac.com.au>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Hotmail sucks
Message-ID: <3A685BE4.6BB099D4@tac.com.au>

Allan Wright wrote:
> 
> The list software has informed me that the following address are marked
> 'funky' and impending doom is soon to happen.....
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <t_mollica@hotmail.com>
> <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
> <mkendix@hotmail.com>

 Hi Allan,

 Yeah, for some strange reason hotmail hates digests in mailing lists. I
have the same trouble with SMML :-((

 Shane

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:40:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: mkendix@hotmail.com (Michael Kendix)
Cc: wwi
Subject: Re: Hotmail sucks
Message-ID: <200101182040.PAA07481@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> I informed Hotmail.  I like their service despite its problems.  It's free 
> and they allow reasonably sized files to transfer etc.  Also, it would be a 
> total pain to change my address.  So, if I get bumped, I'll just 
> resubscribe.  Yesterday, hotamil was down for a bit so that could be the 
> source of the immediate problems.

I think this is a very reasonable way to handle this and I understand your
choice completely.

-Al

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:47:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Hotmail sucks
Message-ID: <200101182047.PAA07607@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> Allan Wright wrote:
> > 
> > The list software has informed me that the following address are marked
> > 'funky' and impending doom is soon to happen.....
> > 
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > <t_mollica@hotmail.com>
> > <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
> > <mkendix@hotmail.com>
> 
>  Hi Allan,
> 
>  Yeah, for some strange reason hotmail hates digests in mailing lists. I
> have the same trouble with SMML :-((

I just wanted all the Hotmail people to know that they were potential candidates
for the list to bump them so they could re-up when the problem was resolved.

Thanks to everyone for understanding.
It looks like Hotmail may be better, the last few messages seemed to have
gone through.

-Al

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:37:49 -0600
From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins)
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: PE Parts Set Update
Message-ID: <a05010401b68d0291b33f@[64.217.219.225]>

>SP says:
>
>"I am still awaiting the arrival of the Fotocut ... booklet."
>
>Whoa!  sent that out weeks ago, to a number of people.  Some of them 
>arrived, to be sure.
>
>Steve, contact me off-list to confirm the address.
>
>Lance

Lance and others.
  I got the copy of the booklet.  I pulled one of my dumb tricks last 
week (the day after I got the book) and played in the system files 
without a backup.  The rest is normal history.  I have got to rebuild 
and reformat the system.  I got back on line last night and only have 
about 400 messages to go through.

I will start working on the booklet later today.  Is every one OK 
with the book being in .pdf format?

On the copy I have, the text is not square to the page.  I will start 
scanning the pages and making the alignment adjustments today. 
Working around my schedule, it will take a couple of days to 
complete. As soon as I have it finished, I will let you know and send 
copies to all who want it.
John

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