WWI Digest 2986 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: some roumors by Witold Kozakiewicz 2) Re: some roumors by Witold Kozakiewicz 3) Thanks Neil and Steven by Jan Vihonen 4) RE: Thanks Neil and Steven by Crawford Neil 5) re: Tauro Woodgrain Decals by "Lance Krieg" 6) Re: Thanks Neil and Steven by Jan Vihonen 7) RE: Thanks Neil and Steven by Crawford Neil 8) Re: Most important ? by Lee 9) re: giant cookup by "Bucky" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:34:53 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: some roumors Message-ID: <3A66F0FD.782778DA@bg.am.lodz.pl> Crawford Neil napisał(a): > > I suppose you mean DML OT forms in 1/48, Witold? Yes. Have DML done OT models in 1/72? -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:53:38 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: some roumors Message-ID: <3A66F562.D2BBF56B@bg.am.lodz.pl> Witold Kozakiewicz napisał(a): > Have DML done OT models in 1/72? ^^^^^^ Ups, should be HAS, Sorry but I still must work on my English. Only one hope that you can understand me. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:26:33 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thanks Neil and Steven Message-ID: <3A670B29.30A070DF@helsinki.fi> I got back from my cruise to Stockholm yesterday and thanks to Neil (and Anders, too) I overspent outrageously in local model/bookshops. Now I'm happy owner of half a dozen older DF monographs, set of sold-out Pegasus five colour lozenge decals, and a 1/72 Revell Spad XIII. SWMBO grunted in a very serious tone in Hobbybokhandeln (or Hobby Book Shop) but having obliged herself in the ships tax free parfumerie didn't say anything. ;-) When I came back to my home there were with other mail photocopies of Ilya Muromets stuff and a Roseparts blank vac wing from Steven. Thank you very much, guys Jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:48:09 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Thanks Neil and Steven Message-ID: It was worth it, as I see you are now on the right path, a Revell Spad in 1/72, congratulations! /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Vihonen [mailto:jan.vihonen@helsinki.fi] > Sent: den 18 januari 2001 15:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Thanks Neil and Steven > > > I got back from my cruise to Stockholm yesterday and thanks > to Neil (and > Anders, too) I overspent outrageously in local > model/bookshops. Now I'm > happy owner of half a dozen older DF monographs, set of > sold-out Pegasus > five colour lozenge decals, and a 1/72 Revell Spad XIII. > > SWMBO grunted in a very serious tone in Hobbybokhandeln (or Hobby Book > Shop) but having obliged herself in the ships tax free > parfumerie didn't > say anything. ;-) > > When I came back to my home there were with other mail photocopies of > Ilya Muromets stuff and a Roseparts blank vac wing from Steven. > > Thank you very much, guys > > Jan > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:49:13 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: re: Tauro Woodgrain Decals Message-ID: Todd asks: "Has any listee used these decals before? What's your opinion on them?" I've got these, but rarely use them because the are so dark - the color of walnut or perhaps rosewood. The grain pattern is quite bold, similar to a birch or cherry pattern and clearly based on plywood, not lumber. I have idly thought of overspraying with a light coat of a blond wood color, and then I believe they would be usable for birch plywood. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:19:13 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks Neil and Steven Message-ID: <3A671781.611AC7DF@helsinki.fi> > It was worth it, as I see you are now on the right path, > a Revell Spad in 1/72, congratulations! > /Neil > Especially when the Spad XIII Datafile was the first DF I ever bought years ago. Don't even remember when I saw the kit being sold last time here in Finland. Well, now I have it. :-) Speaking of kits, I was a little surprised of the prices they asked of Toko/Roden kits at Wenzell's Hobby; some 150 Swedish Crowns a kit. With that price I can buy two in Helsinki! Jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:10:18 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Thanks Neil and Steven Message-ID: Helsinki is closer to Russia! 150 crowns sounds rather expensive that's 16USD, I don't know what they cost in the US and Britain? /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Vihonen [mailto:jan.vihonen@helsinki.fi] > Sent: den 18 januari 2001 16:09 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Thanks Neil and Steven > > > > > It was worth it, as I see you are now on the right path, > > a Revell Spad in 1/72, congratulations! > > /Neil > > > > Especially when the Spad XIII Datafile was the first DF I ever bought > years ago. Don't even remember when I saw the kit being sold last time > here in Finland. Well, now I have it. :-) > > Speaking of kits, I was a little surprised of the prices they asked of > Toko/Roden kits at Wenzell's Hobby; some 150 Swedish Crowns a > kit. With > that price I can buy two in Helsinki! > > Jan > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:13:49 -0600 From: Lee To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Most important ? Message-ID: <3A67082D.3040500@x25.net> --------------050609010902020306090002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my favorite books was called "Defeat through Airpower" I can no longer recall the author but it accurately portrayed the outcome of "ignorant " dependance on a single Arm of Any military organization. Especially Air Power. With out Using Nuclear Weapons the aerial attempts will fail. It was never tried in WWI. It helped a lot in WW II but it still required ground troops and I was one of them. Lee M Mark Miller wrote: > On Mon, 15 January 2001, TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > > >> "Strategic bombing" and Guilio Douhet's theory of terrorizing the population >> by so doing has accomplished diddly squat in every war it has ever been tried >> in, including the most recent ten years ago. The total accomplishment of >> Douhet's pipe dream was to make holes in a lot oif real estate, knock down >> buildings, and massively piss off populations (rather than terrorize them) so >> much so that the wars have probably been made longer rather than shortened by >> popular support for the regime - whether it was Churchill or Hitler - being >> bombed. >> >> Had the RAF and the USAAF been willing to go after the "panacea target" (as >> "Bomber" Harris called anything that didn't involve burning German civilians >> out of their homes) of the German oil industry in 1942 (when they had the >> technology to do so) that would have shortened the war, as it did when they >> finally did it in the summer of 1944. All the Combined Bomber Offensive >> accomplished in the short run was the loss of a lot of intelligent, educated >> aircrew, and the bankruptcy of Britain spending all that money on those holes >> surrounded by aluminum into which they poured money, known as Lancasters and >> Halifaxes (and to us as B-17s and B-24s.) >> >> "Tactical bombing", i.e., aerial activity connected to some achievable goal, >> has always been the only effective use of air power. >> >> Frankly, the 20th Century would have been well-served by a certain Caproni >> bomber being blown out of the sky with the loss of all aboard before Douhet >> could set pen to paper. >> >> Tom Cleaver > > > I must agree with most of this, IMHO strategic bombing is an inherently evil concept. > And ineffective as well, the idea of breaking the enemy populace's will to fight always backfires. > well.... > almost always > what about Hiroshima? > whether or not you agree or disagree with the dropping of the bomb - It did shorten the war > Personaly I don't know why they couldn't of bombed mount Fuji or something - just a demonstration of the weapons power - without vaporizing anybody > But then again - I wasn't there and it was a different world > a VERY nasty buisness all around, no matter how you look at it > > Mark > > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! > http://www.shopping.altavista.com > > --------------050609010902020306090002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my favorite books was called "Defeat through Airpower"  I can no longer recall the author but it accurately portrayed the outcome of "ignorant " dependance on a single Arm of Any military organization.  Especially Air Power.  With out Using Nuclear Weapons  the aerial attempts will fail. 

It was never tried in WWI.  It helped a lot in WW II but it still required ground troops and I was one of them.

Lee M

Mark Miller wrote:
On Mon, 15 January 2001, TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote:


"Strategic bombing" and Guilio Douhet's theory of terrorizing the population 
by so doing has accomplished diddly squat in every war it has ever been tried
in, including the most recent ten years ago. The total accomplishment of
Douhet's pipe dream was to make holes in a lot oif real estate, knock down
buildings, and massively piss off populations (rather than terrorize them) so
much so that the wars have probably been made longer rather than shortened by
popular support for the regime - whether it was Churchill or Hitler - being
bombed.

Had the RAF and the USAAF been willing to go after the "panacea target" (as
"Bomber" Harris called anything that didn't involve burning German civilians
out of their homes) of the German oil industry in 1942 (when they had the
technology to do so) that would have shortened the war, as it did when they
finally did it in the summer of 1944. All the Combine! d Bomber Offensive
accomplished in the short run was the loss of a lot of intelligent, educated
aircrew, and the bankruptcy of Britain spending all that money on those holes
surrounded by aluminum into which they poured money, known as Lancasters and
Halifaxes (and to us as B-17s and B-24s.)

"Tactical bombing", i.e., aerial activity connected to some achievable goal,
has always been the only effective use of air power.

Frankly, the 20th Century would have been well-served by a certain Caproni
bomber being blown out of the sky with the loss of all aboard before Douhet
could set pen to paper.

Tom Cleaver

I must agree with most of this, IMHO strategic bombing is an inherently evil concept.
And ineffective as well, the idea of breaking the enemy populace's will to fight always backfires.
well....
almost always
what about Hiroshima?
whether or not you agree or disagree with the dropping of the bomb - It did shorten the war
Personaly I don't know why they couldn't of bombed mount Fuji or something - just a demonstration of the weapons power - without vaporizing anybody
But then again - I wasn't there and it was a different world
a VERY nasty buisness all around, no matter how you look at it

Mark


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--------------050609010902020306090002-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:10:46 +0900 From: "Bucky" To: Subject: re: giant cookup Message-ID: <001f01c08160$d65349c0$134207d3@compaqcomputer> Well, you can count me in for a Friedrichs-dactyl. Yes, folks, I'm still alive here, but just barely. Wheezing from all the Evergreen plastic dust and CA fumes in the air. I'll try to get some progress pix up soon. Bucky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: WWI digest 2985 > WWI Digest 2985 > > Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Received Some Resin > by Brent Theobald > 2) Giant Cookup > by "aa8." > 3) RE: Most Important? > by Shane Weier > 4) RE: Most Important? > by Shane Weier > 5) RE: Most Important? > by Shane Weier > 6) HR Models > by Todd Hayes > 7) RE: Most Important? > by Todd Hayes > 8) Re: New exciting updates > by MAnde72343@aol.com > 9) Re: Site Update > by MAnde72343@aol.com > 10) Duh...ahhh > by "Steven M.Perry" > 11) Re: Latest OtF > by "Bob Pearson" > 12) re: Tauro Woodgrain Decals > by Todd Hayes > 13) 1/48 DVII > by NodalPoint@aol.com > 14) Re: 1/48 DVII > by Todd Hayes > 15) RE: 1/48 DVII > by Shane Weier > 16) RE: 1/48 DVII > by Todd Hayes > 17) Future Pegasus Releases > by "Courtney Allen" > 18) Re: 1/48 DVII > by "DAVID BURKE" > 19) Re: Giant Cookup > by Shane & Lorna Jenkins > 20) If... - was Most Important A/C > by "Sandy Adam" > 21) some roumors > by Witold Kozakiewicz > 22) Re: some roumors > by Ernest Thomas > 23) RE: some roumors > by Crawford Neil > 24) Roden Gotha's > by "Matt Bittner" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:23:50 -0600 > From: Brent Theobald > To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" > Subject: Received Some Resin > Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC56@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com> > > Howdy! > > Some resin arrived in the mail yesterday from the lovely Mary Hovden of Roll > Models. Now I'm able to compare some HR Resins with RHVP models. Wow! No > comparison. > > They sent me the Vickers FB-19 from RHVP and the Nieuport 24-27 and Pfalz > E.V from HR. The Nieuport is embarrasing. They didn't even remove the > ejector pin marks or alignment pins from the plastic kit they ripped off. I > figure it's the Toko kit. The detail is very heavy too. The Phalz is better. > The RHVP kit is a little gem. This is another tiny aircaft. It looks like > RHVP copied Pegasus seats though. Judging by these kits I'd say "go for it" > for any RHVP kit. I'd be a little afraid of what comes in the HR boxes > though. > > Look for complete reviews online. > > Later! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:34:17 -0000 > From: "aa8." > To: > Subject: Giant Cookup > Message-ID: <004301c080d5$bfcac420$d8183c3e@tinypc> > > > From: aa8. > To: > Subject: Giant Cook Up > Date: 17 January 2001 12:29 > > I'm writing again after some thought regarding Shanes idea of a 'Giant > Cookup'. > This could include large aircraft from all combatant countries and could > include such aircraft as H.P. 0/400, Vimy, DH10, Muromets, Staaken, Gotha's > etc. > As I said previously I would like to contribute a Gotha but would stick my > neck out for a Staaken if I could get hold of one. > There seems to be plenty of interest in larger aircraft from the period. > Also is there anyone out there who would be willing or able to sell me the > above mentioned Staaken? > Also if this cookup hapens, who's going to build the 1/144th scale SSW R.I. > (Blue Rider Kit)? > All views and opinions gratefully received. > Andy Jones > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:10:18 +1000 > From: Shane Weier > To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" > Subject: RE: Most Important? > Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A5A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > > DB > > > > BTW, I wasn't the first to mention the F-4, F-104, or F-14. > > Instead, I went > > BACK towards the very beginning, so if it went ot, at least I > > erred in the right direction! > > ROTFL > > Now that'w what they like. Inventive dissembling ;-) > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:47:45 +1000 > From: Shane Weier > To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" > Subject: RE: Most Important? > Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A5B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > > Eli pipes up: (hello mate, nice to see you are still here!) > > > I couldn't agree more with your position. At the risk of > > offending the list, WW1 aviation in itself accomplished > > little strategically or tactically. > > Probably true, except to demonstrate that the airplane could not be ignored > as an instrument of warfare, and to define most of the various roles in > which they'd be used for the next 80+ years > > The reconnaissance > > activity was important but the fighter activity was useful > > only in so far as it supported or suppressed recon flights. > > I have to disagree here. As I understand it, that is *still* one ofthe prime > roles of fighter aircraft (plus supporting or suppressing bombing, which in > fact they also did in WW1) That said, I contend that the fighter aircraft > had already defined its role > > > The least known accomplishment of the period was the > > transition from cut and test design to disciplined > > engineering of airplanes. > > I've sometimes argued here that aircraft design in WW1 was *not* always a > simple matter of "suck it and see" and had even heard of > > > Ludwig Prandtl in Germany > > and > > > Barnes Wallace > > in England > > but I'm afraid that the pretty well invisible American industry of the time > never crossed my conscience so.. > > > Jerome Hunsicker in the US were true > > pioneers in this area. > > ..I've never heard of Hunsicker. Which brings me to the point. > > Do you know of any book which deals with the early years of theoretical > aircraft design. I'm most interested in the personalities, rather than the > mathematical details of their work > > > Shane > > (I'm an electrical engineer who moved as quickly as possible after uni far > into the digital field to avoid mathematics involving numbers more complex > than 1 and 0 ! ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:51:58 +1000 > From: Shane Weier > To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" > Subject: RE: Most Important? > Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A5C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > > Michael > > > > Wasn't escort a large area of responsibility for fighters in > > the years that > > followed; e.g. WW2? True, I think the idea of bomber escort > > was either not > > thought of or not thought useful at that time. > > No, escort WAS done, and attempted virtually from the beginning. The > difficulty was communications, so it was common for escorts to miss their > charges. > > Also, it was frequently the case on both sides for aircraft of the same > type, from the same unit, to be tasked with recce or bombing on the one > hand, and with escorting their recce/bombing aircraft on the other. Not > terribly successful in every case of course, but it was done. > > > Not to mention the swing wing aeroplane and scratchbuilding a > > working 1/1 > > space vehicle with the help of his pet dog. > > I wonder how many of us will "get it" ? > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:23:17 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: HR Models > Message-ID: <20010118002317.9044.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> > > Several HR Models kits have been reviewed in IM. So > far, the reviews seem to suggest that kits by this > company range in quality from very good to not so > good. Since I've seen only the 1:48 PV7, I cannot > comment directly on HR Models quality in general, but > the PV7 appears to be a fairly good kit that with a > little work could be a nice addition to a 1:48 > collection. > > TH > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:26:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: RE: Most Important? > Message-ID: <20010118002650.9505.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> > > Shane, > > Aeroplane Books has an excellent section on Pioneer > Aviation. Perhaps you'll find a suitable book there. > > Todd > > --- Shane Weier wrote: > > Eli pipes up: (hello mate, nice to see you are still > > here!) > > > > > I couldn't agree more with your position. At the > > risk of > > > offending the list, WW1 aviation in itself > > accomplished > > > little strategically or tactically. > > > > Probably true, except to demonstrate that the > > airplane could not be ignored > > as an instrument of warfare, and to define most of > > the various roles in > > which they'd be used for the next 80+ years > > > The reconnaissance > > > activity was important but the fighter activity > > was useful > > > only in so far as it supported or suppressed recon > > flights. > > > > I have to disagree here. As I understand it, that is > > *still* one ofthe prime > > roles of fighter aircraft (plus supporting or > > suppressing bombing, which in > > fact they also did in WW1) That said, I contend that > > the fighter aircraft > > had already defined its role > > > > > The least known accomplishment of the period was > > the > > > transition from cut and test design to disciplined > > > engineering of airplanes. > > > > I've sometimes argued here that aircraft design in > > WW1 was *not* always a > > simple matter of "suck it and see" and had even > > heard of > > > > > Ludwig Prandtl in Germany > > > > and > > > > > Barnes Wallace > > > in England > > > > but I'm afraid that the pretty well invisible > > American industry of the time > > never crossed my conscience so.. > > > > > Jerome Hunsicker in the US were true > > > pioneers in this area. > > > > ..I've never heard of Hunsicker. Which brings me to > > the point. > > > > Do you know of any book which deals with the early > > years of theoretical > > aircraft design. I'm most interested in the > > personalities, rather than the > > mathematical details of their work > > > > > > Shane > > > > (I'm an electrical engineer who moved as quickly as > > possible after uni far > > into the digital field to avoid mathematics > > involving numbers more complex > > than 1 and 0 ! ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > The information contained in this e-mail is > > confidential and is > > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > > distribution or > > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > > requested to > > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > > the > > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > > phone: Australia 1800500646 > > > ********************************************************************** > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:28:56 EST > From: MAnde72343@aol.com > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: New exciting updates > Message-ID: > > > --part1_c6.1017d39f.279792c8_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Having seen most of Steve's planes up close, I can tell you, photos do not do > them justice (my stuff oddly, looks better in photos), but Steve Hustad's > stuff must be seen first hand, to be really appreciated (and you thought you > could feel only a little unworthy) > Merrill > > > --part1_c6.1017d39f.279792c8_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Having seen most of Steve's planes up close, I can tell you, photos do not do >
them justice (my stuff oddly, looks better in photos), but Steve Hustad's >
stuff must be seen first hand, to be really appreciated (and you thought you >
could feel only a little unworthy) >
Merrill >
> > --part1_c6.1017d39f.279792c8_boundary-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:47:44 EST > From: MAnde72343@aol.com > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Site Update > Message-ID: <96.ed77607.27979730@aol.com> > > > --part1_96.ed77607.27979730_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Richard a day late, but WOW! You're a braver man than I, and a better > modeler too! > Merrill > > > > --part1_96.ed77607.27979730_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Richard a day late, but WOW!  You're a braver man than I, and a better >
modeler too! >
Merrill >
>
> > --part1_96.ed77607.27979730_boundary-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:09:15 -0500 > From: "Steven M.Perry" > To: > Subject: Duh...ahhh > Message-ID: <009201c080f3$a9ca7580$58f1aec7@default> > > Duuh...ahhh did I loan my copy of Aces High to anyone on the List? > > sp > who is glad all his parts came attached, 'cause he'd loose something for > sure if they weren't. > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:26:50 -0800 > From: "Bob Pearson" > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Latest OtF > Message-ID: <200101180355.TAA08812@mail.rapidnet.net> > > Matt says ... > > > 15/3 of Over the Front showed up today. There's a lot to get through > > in this issue! Luckily only one article on a British subject. :-) > > Seriously though, it's one of the better issues. Plus Bob has an ad > > for his CD in there, and supplies the excellent (although printed very > > dark) color profile of SPAD 7 S.1777 on the back cover. > > WOW. . is he ever right. . so far every single profile I have had in OTF > has been misprinted in some way, but this is the worse by far. ... Take a > look at the Vickers gun .. and note the colour .. it should be in black and > grays. .. the entire thing has way too much magenta in it/ > > > One interesting observation I didn't know - there were a couple of SPAD > > 7's that took part of the fly-over in which the multi-colored SPAD 13's > > flew that a few listee's supplied to IM. Very interesting. You do > > learn something new every day. > > The ones I like are the SPADs with the anemic looking cats on them. .. > definately have to profile them for the CD. > > Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:07:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: re: Tauro Woodgrain Decals > Message-ID: <20010118030728.12828.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> > > Has any listee used these decals before? What's your > opinion on them? > > TH > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:21:51 EST > From: NodalPoint@aol.com > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: 1/48 DVII > Message-ID: <61.a926450.2797bb4f@aol.com> > > > Who makes the Fokker DVII in 1/48? > > DML right? But are they still producing them? I thought I heard someone say > they don't sell that kit anymore. > > Any opinions on who's DVII kit is best and where I may order from. > > Thanks, > Steve > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:59:12 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: 1/48 DVII > Message-ID: <20010118035912.43184.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> > > Steve, > > DML made the D.VII and it was by far the best one > done. As for where you can get one, all I can say is > good luck!! If you find a copy, buy it!!! As good as > gold and almost as hard to find. I think I can speak > for many, and listees please correct me if I'm wrong, > but a reissue would be more than welcome. > > Todd > > --- NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > > > > Who makes the Fokker DVII in 1/48? > > > > DML right? But are they still producing them? I > > thought I heard someone say > > they don't sell that kit anymore. > > > > Any opinions on who's DVII kit is best and where I > > may order from. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:14:12 +1000 > From: Shane Weier > To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" > Subject: RE: 1/48 DVII > Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A67@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > > Todd says: > > > > > DML made the D.VII and it was by far the best one > > done. As for where you can get one, all I can say is > > good luck!! If you find a copy, buy it!!! As good as > > gold and almost as hard to find. I think I can speak > > for many, and listees please correct me if I'm wrong, > > but a reissue would be more than welcome. > > ..and he's right, though it has its faults. > > IMHO the only changes which make a marked visible difference are > > 1. To make an enlarged rudder of the correct more rounded proportions - and > even *that* is a matter of fractions of millimetres here and there. > 2. Flatten the upper wing upper surface (there is also an issue of cross > sectional shape here, but in 1/48 I find it hard to be bothered by it) > > You could fiddle with the fuselage depth a trifle, or the shape of the > turtledeck but neither is obvious even when directly compared to photos. > Also, the "fault" of having no visible frame structure beneath the fabric is > only a fault if the prototype being modelled isn't tightly covered. Frankly > I'd rather add that effect myself than be presented with a starving cow body > instead of starving cow ribs. > > Heck - looks like a major list, but it isn't. Straighten the top wing and > round out the rudder and anyone who can prove it isn't perfect has too much > time on his hands. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:16:23 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: RE: 1/48 DVII > Message-ID: <20010118051623.27487.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> > > I find it kind of strange that the D.VII hasn't been > reissued since the other DML kits have been. It's > sure to be a big seller if they did. I'd buy several > and perhaps Barry at Rosemont would reissue the Atlee > conversion parts if the kit were readily available > again. It will probably be the kit that future > D.VII's will be measured against for quite some time. > > Todd > > --- Shane Weier wrote: > > Todd says: > > > > > > > > DML made the D.VII and it was by far the best one > > > done. As for where you can get one, all I can say > > is > > > good luck!! If you find a copy, buy it!!! As > > good as > > > gold and almost as hard to find. I think I can > > speak > > > for many, and listees please correct me if I'm > > wrong, > > > but a reissue would be more than welcome. > > > > ..and he's right, though it has its faults. > > > > IMHO the only changes which make a marked visible > > difference are > > > > 1. To make an enlarged rudder of the correct more > > rounded proportions - and > > even *that* is a matter of fractions of millimetres > > here and there. > > 2. Flatten the upper wing upper surface (there is > > also an issue of cross > > sectional shape here, but in 1/48 I find it hard to > > be bothered by it) > > > > You could fiddle with the fuselage depth a trifle, > > or the shape of the > > turtledeck but neither is obvious even when directly > > compared to photos. > > Also, the "fault" of having no visible frame > > structure beneath the fabric is > > only a fault if the prototype being modelled isn't > > tightly covered. Frankly > > I'd rather add that effect myself than be presented > > with a starving cow body > > instead of starving cow ribs. > > > > Heck - looks like a major list, but it isn't. > > Straighten the top wing and > > round out the rudder and anyone who can prove it > > isn't perfect has too much > > time on his hands. > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > The information contained in this e-mail is > > confidential and is > > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > > distribution or > > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > > requested to > > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > > the > > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > > phone: Australia 1800500646 > > > ********************************************************************** > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:25:10 -0800 > From: "Courtney Allen" > To: > Subject: Future Pegasus Releases > Message-ID: <000f01c0810f$077d0420$a74c510c@worldnet.att.net> > > This info. may have been listed before, but I just received the following > list of future kits from Pegasus. > > 1/72 > SPAD XII > Halberstadt D.II > AIRCO DH5 > Vickers Gun Bus > Bristol F2b > > 1/48 > Bristol M1C > Phonix D-1 > L.F.G. Roland D-VIb > L.V.G. C.VI > > Courtney > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:19:18 -0600 > From: "DAVID BURKE" > To: > Subject: Re: 1/48 DVII > Message-ID: <000701c0811e$f9f29300$05e479a5@com> > > > Todd lamented: > > > > I find it kind of strange that the D.VII hasn't been > > reissued since the other DML kits have been > > > Yes it has!!!! Have you not seen in the last few weeks where we were > talking about the Hasegawa release of it a couple of years back? Mark my > words, it WILL be re-released again, probably soon, and probably by DML or > Hasegawa. > > Keep your eyes open! It may also be possible that Italeri might release it > as they have done the DML FW-190D-9 and Ta-154 (they replaced the ghastly PE > with injected parts). > > DB > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:44:15 -0800 > From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Giant Cookup > Message-ID: <3A678DDF.8159BEC2@tac.com.au> > > "aa8." wrote: > > > > This could include large aircraft from all combatant countries and could > > include such aircraft as H.P. 0/400, Vimy, DH10, Muromets, Staaken, Gotha's > > etc. > > Hi andy, > > You know the old sayings 'great minds" or "fools seldom differ" cause I > was thinking along the same lines ;-). > > Shane > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:00:24 -0000 > From: "Sandy Adam" > To: "AAA - WW1 Group" > Subject: If... - was Most Important A/C > Message-ID: <003201c08137$ad5b4c80$04e8b094@sandyada> > > >I can't resist ( and don't beat me for my thoughts): If WWI really would > >have ended in this way, an untalended post card copier from Austria may > have > >started a career as an Opera paint shop professional and there would have > >been no need to free an russian agitator from his swiss exile. > > Ah, but on the downside, the insane King Edward the IXth of Great Britain > would have been able to launch his joint Indian and African armies on the > United States of the Pacific and President Presley would still have choked > to death on the john on a sushi burger. (while under air attack from > British Zeppelins - there; got it back OT) > Sandy > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:33:55 +0100 > From: Witold Kozakiewicz > To: WWI > Subject: some roumors > Message-ID: <3A66E2B3.F9B9F393@bg.am.lodz.pl> > > Hi, > I have heard some news. I do not know it is for sure but Eduard has all > DML OT forms including never released Camel. That models probably would > be named Eduard-Imperial. Only it is question of time when we shall see > Eduard Fokker D.VII and SPAD 13. First will be Camel. > There will be also new manufacturer - KOKODEN - Korean part of Tamiya > and it will be producing 1914-1935 1/48 airplanes. > New century, new surprises > > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:21:19 -0600 > From: Ernest Thomas > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: some roumors > Message-ID: <3A66EDCD.BD8360E1@bellsouth.net> > > > > Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > > > Hi, > > I have heard some news. I do not know it is for sure but Eduard has all > > DML OT forms including never released Camel. (snips). > > New century, new surprises > > Happy happy joy joy..... > E. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:19:40 +0100 > From: Crawford Neil > To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" > Subject: RE: some roumors > Message-ID: > > I suppose you mean DML OT forms in 1/48, Witold? > /Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Witold Kozakiewicz [mailto:witk@bg.am.lodz.pl] > > Sent: den 18 januari 2001 13:41 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: some roumors > > > > > > Hi, > > I have heard some news. I do not know it is for sure but > > Eduard has all > > DML OT forms including never released Camel. That models > > probably would > > be named Eduard-Imperial. Only it is question of time when we > > shall see > > Eduard Fokker D.VII and SPAD 13. First will be Camel. > > There will be also new manufacturer - KOKODEN - Korean part of Tamiya > > and it will be producing 1914-1935 1/48 airplanes. > > New century, new surprises > > > > -- > > Witold Kozakiewicz > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:21:34 -0600 > From: "Matt Bittner" > To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" > Subject: Roden Gotha's > Message-ID: <200101181322.FAA17460@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> > > Squadron is taking advance orders on the Roden Gotha G.II/G.III for (I > think) US$25.96. That means the "rest" of the world should have them > for about US$20 or so. :-) > > Excellent. Blurb on the site says "complete cockpit" (yea, right, not > for us anal types) and external bombs. So, I wonder how many we'll see > at this years Nats? > > > Matt Bittner > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of WWI Digest 2985 > ********************** > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2986 **********************