WWI Digest 2983 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Site Update by Shane Weier 2) RE: Site Update by Shane Weier 3) Re: Site Update by Zulis@aol.com 4) RE: Site Update by Shane Weier 5) Re: RE: Lone Star Large Scale Announcement by PolTexCW@aol.com 6) Most Important A/C by "Kenneth Hagerup" 7) Operation as usual WAS: Site Update by Shane Weier 8) Re: Most Important A/C by Al Superczynski 9) Roden Pfalz D.III by "Kenneth Hagerup" 10) Re: Most Important A/C by "Steven M.Perry" 11) RE: RE: Lone Star Large Scale Announcement by Shane Weier 12) Re: order by Brent & Tina Theobald 13) have pics, no scanner by Ernest Thomas 14) RE: Most Important? by "Gaston Graf" 15) RE: Most Important? by Shane Weier 16) Re: Site Update by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Most Important? by "DAVID BURKE" 18) Re: have pics, no scanner by "DAVID BURKE" 19) Re: Most Important? by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 by "aa8." 21) Re: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 by "aa8." 22) Re: Most Important? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 23) Re: Sopwith kit by "Sandy Adam" 24) military influence or propagandistic influence? was RE: Who was the most influential pilot? by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:28:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Site Update Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A44@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lorna, > Lovely work Richard! The Felixstowe is too cool - but then > flying boats > are ;-) That'd be all that water I expect ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:31:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Site Update Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A45@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Richard > Aeroclub Felixstowe F.2.A (ala Pearson's Profile Products) > HitKit LVG C.V (Pre-Squadron markings) > > Stop by if you get a moment. > http://home.austin.rr.com/reaton/index.htm Ahh, crap. Site denied by Smartfilter. I'll just sit here and listen to the applause and imagine how good it must be. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:45:12 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Site Update Message-ID: <49.630dc96.27966f48@aol.com> Shane the welder....er.... elder, writes: << Ahh, crap. Site denied by Smartfilter. >> Shall l assume that this is a feature you have installed to keep you from getting discouraged? (hard to believe, having seen some of your work) I, on the other hand, could really use something like that.... :-)) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:58:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Site Update Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A4B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave Z asks: > << Ahh, crap. Site denied by Smartfilter. >> > > Shall l assume that this is a feature you have installed to > keep you from > getting discouraged? (hard to believe, having seen some of > your work) I, > on the other hand, could really use something like that.... :-)) > One of my job responsibilities is stopping people using work resources to access sites thay have no business using. The rule should also include me, and in fact, if it were not for a gentlemans agreement between myself and the gent who actually maintains the box in question, I should have no access to pease1.sr.unh.edu, and *he* wouldn't have access to his favourite Formula 1 site. And hey, it doesn't take much bandwidth to get gobsmacked by all of you guys Incidentally, Richards wonderfull model has since visited me by email thanks to SP. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:01:29 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Lone Star Large Scale Announcement Message-ID: <25.100adda8.27967319@aol.com> In a message dated 1/16/1 10:03:55 PM, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << > >Lone Star Models will release a 1/32 scale Curtiss JN-4 kit > >and a N-11 conversion this year. > >Mike West > >lsmodels@pdq.net Conversion to a Nie-11 from what? >> 1/72 Gotha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:02:21 -0600 From: "Kenneth Hagerup" To: Subject: Most Important A/C Message-ID: <004f01c0803a$4b76a8a0$5ab1fcd1@hppav> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C08008.001BF5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My vote would be the early Allied recce planes (BE2s, Farmans, Bleriots) = that detected Kluck's First Army shift in objective to the east of Paris = in September 1914. Had the Allies not been able to stop the Germans in = the First Battle of the Marne, the race to the sea would not have = happened and World War One may have ended with a German victory in 1914. Ken ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C08008.001BF5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My vote would be the early Allied recce = planes=20 (BE2s, Farmans, Bleriots) that detected Kluck's First Army shift in=20 objective to the east of Paris in September 1914.  Had the=20 Allies not been able to stop the Germans in the First Battle of the = Marne,=20 the race to the sea would not have happened and World War One may have = ended=20 with a German victory in 1914.
 
Ken
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C08008.001BF5E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:09:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Operation as usual WAS: Site Update Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A4F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> I said: > > << Ahh, crap. Site denied by Smartfilter. >>> ....and it took about 5 minutes to have the photo in question in my email from two different members - thanks SP and Cyg ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:10:05 -0600 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Most Important A/C Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:07:49 -0500 (EST), Ken wrote: > >My vote would be the early Allied recce planes... How about the Breguet 14? Did any other WWI aircraft come close to the ~8000 built? Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:08:59 -0600 From: "Kenneth Hagerup" To: Subject: Roden Pfalz D.III Message-ID: <005c01c0803b$652c4600$5ab1fcd1@hppav> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C08008.ED75FC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In addition to scraping the inside of the Roden Pfalz's cowl, I found I = had to remove a small amount from the engine mounts to get the engine to = fit properly. Not difficult, but it pays to sand a little, scrape a = little, check fit often. Ken ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C08008.ED75FC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In addition to scraping the inside of = the Roden=20 Pfalz's cowl, I found I had to remove a small amount from the engine = mounts to=20 get the engine to fit properly.  Not difficult, but it pays to sand = a=20 little, scrape a little, check fit often.
 
Ken
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C08008.ED75FC00-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:13:38 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Most Important A/C Message-ID: <00e501c0803b$dfa2fb40$f9f2aec7@default> > My vote would be the early Allied recce planes (BE2s, Farmans, Bleriots) = > that detected Kluck's First Army shift in objective to the east of Paris = > in September 1914. Had the Allies not been able to stop the Germans in = > the First Battle of the Marne, the race to the sea would not have = > happened and World War One may have ended with a German victory in 1914. Excellent point Ken They forever silenced the people who questioned the military value of aviation and married the military and aerial recon. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:13:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: RE: Lone Star Large Scale Announcement Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A51@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > From: PolTexCW@aol.com > >> Conversion to a Nie-11 from what? >> > > 1/72 Gotha Seems likely. There'd be nearly as many usefull parts in it as in any 1/32 kit I can remember being released. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:33:03 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: Choroszy Subject: Re: order Message-ID: <3A652E8F.2F30CF0@airmail.net> Hello, We have added a few more kits to our order. Here is our new, and final, list: 1 #A14 Albatros BIIa @ $18 1 #A22 Caproni Ca.100 @ $18 1 #A26 Ansaldo SVA @ $18 2 #A35 Salmson 2A2 @ $18 36 1 #B27 Friedrichshafen FF-33E @ $23 2 #B28 Fredrichshafen FF-33H @ $23 1 #B29 Fredrichshafen FF-33L @ $23 3 #C03 Fredrichshafen G IIIa @ $30 5 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 1 #E02 Latham 43 HB3 @ $60 I get a total of $482. Please let us know how much we owe you for shipping. How long does it usually take for an order to ship after receiving a bank draft from America? I will be collecting money from our members this week. I will send you a bank check a week from today. Thank you very much, Brent Theobald The WWI List http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/ Choroszy wrote: > Thank you for e mail. > I agree for wholesale prices . > > 415 USD it is price without postage cost. (25 USD) > Total cost of order models 440 USD. > > Payment by bank transfer or IPMO or banker's cheque. > > Regards > Tomasz Choroszy. > > --- > "Angielski i niemiecki w pigulce" - 2 kursy na CD za 25 zl. Juz w kioskach. > Kliknij http://www.strefacd.pl i wygraj kamere. > --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:57:31 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: The List Subject: have pics, no scanner Message-ID: <3A65344A.B2B6D032@bellsouth.net> Hi All, I've got some nice pictures of my Roland that I need scanned for the list site and an IM piece. Anybody care to do this for me?(U.S. listee's only, please.) Tia. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:05:52 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Most Important? Message-ID: Shane, apart of the historical facts which cannot be denied I made the experience on other lists that the answers to such questions are mainly influenced by nationalism and a personal point of view. Especially the French would never accept anything else than the Blériot, while the German mostly claims the Fokker for the most important aircraft. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Question: > > > What would listee's consider the most important aircraft of the first > > world war? > > Answer: > > > What was the most important of them all? To me, I would > > have to go back > > before Bleriot, back to the first Wright Military Flyer of 1904, which > > ultimately started several nations and their militaries > > thinking about the > > possible applications of flight. > > You may need to negotiate with your supervisors, lecturers, etc. if you > intend to stray so far from the question with your answer ;-) > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:17:08 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Most Important? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A59@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Gaston, > apart of the historical facts which cannot be denied I made > the experience > on other lists that the answers to such questions are mainly > influenced by > nationalism and a personal point of view. Especially the > French would never > accept anything else than the Blériot, while the German > mostly claims the > Fokker for the most important aircraft. Nevertheless, the point I was jokingly making was that in my experience university lecturers and Masters and Doctoral supervisors have little sense of humour about students who don't stick to the point. In the case mentioned, DB proposed an aircraft not of WW1 as most influential aircraft of WW1. Nationalism, in this case, has sod all to do with it unless in you country WW1 is considered to have begun when Bleriot crossed the Channel However, as DB said......whatever. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:39:50 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Site Update Message-ID: <004b01c08051$aa7e8ae0$8fe479a5@com> Holy Cow!!! That F.2A is 1/72? Jeez! What a straight up beauty! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:43:49 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Most Important? Message-ID: <004c01c08051$ab35a5e0$8fe479a5@com> > You may need to negotiate with your supervisors, lecturers, etc. if you > intend to stray so far from the question with your answer ;-) > > Shane Too true, but it illustrates the fact that the question is too complex - sorta like a contest with a category labeled: Aircraft. No breakdowns, no sub-categories. Almost all of the major designs incorporated ultra-important developments. BTW, I wasn't the first to mention the F-4, F-104, or F-14. Instead, I went BACK towards the very beginning, so if it went ot, at least I erred in the right direction! :-) DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:49:03 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: have pics, no scanner Message-ID: <004f01c08051$adfe3bc0$8fe479a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: have pics, no scanner > Hi All, > I've got some nice pictures of my Roland that I need scanned for the > list site and an IM piece. Anybody care to do this for me?(U.S. listee's > only, please.) > Tia. > E. > I'd volunteer, but I'm moving. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:54:42 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Most Important? Message-ID: <005301c08052$5f881000$8fe479a5@com> > Nevertheless, the point I was jokingly making was that in my experience > university lecturers and Masters and Doctoral supervisors have little sense > of humour about students who don't stick to the point. I believe that Mick Jagger expressed my views towards humorless academicians. As to sticking to the point - I am a James Burke fan (Connections). I have trouble thinking in a linear fashion: my thoughts are more like a cloud (or fog as it were). I could also say that my most important A/C of WWI is the 747 that will take me to France so I can see a bunch of these birds in poison! But, I digest...... DB ...About to fall unconscious after packing the modeling room (gads! still not finished....) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:37:16 -0000 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Re: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 Message-ID: <00e101c08058$6c571e60$8c153c3e@tinypc> Shane the Younger, YES! YES! YES! I would gladly contribute a Rareplanes Gotha G.V My next project. I'd pledge a Staaken if I could get one!! regards Andy Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: Brent Theobald To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: RE: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 > > Well we do have all those Fredrichshafen's I'm about to order from Modelbud > Chorszy! :-) > > Later! > -----Original Message----- > > So, howsabout a German Giants theme for the next cookup then?? Lets be > daring ;-) > > Shane the Younger > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:38:15 -0000 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Re: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 Message-ID: <00e301c08058$7581eba0$8c153c3e@tinypc> Could you be tempted to part with it? I would pay reasonable money for it. (in a currency of your choice) regards Andy Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:47 AM Subject: Re: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 > Staaken? Found one 10 years ago for $12. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:59:03 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Most Important? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/01 2:00:33 AM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << I am a James Burke fan >> DB! I knew there was something thoroughly worthwhile and likeable about you!!!! :-) Oh man, if I could only write a successful movie good enough that the guys who own the rights to my friend Jim Burke's books would let *me* write the script for the next one, they'd get it *right*!! At the lowest point in my writing career as a screenwriter (lost my house, had to move in with my loony brother who came >< close to killing me with a shotgun - no shit), a friend gave me a book of his, and then the new one came out and I went to Mysterious Bookshop to buy it and have him sign it, and he asked what I did and I said "I'm a screenwriter" and he said (I remember it well) "That's like playing the blues with hand-cuffs. I admire anyone who can do it. I can't." And I was there just to connect with someone who was a "writer" in hopes I could find my way out of the hole. Went home, re-energized, and wrote the script that just achieved "Freedom Day" today (out from under Vlad, the Producer) and is now on its way to folks whose names you would recognise if I said them, who can turn it into the movie I had in my head when I wrote 'FADE IN:". If you like *really* good mysteries, go get James Lee Burke's "Dave Robicheaux" series. You will not regret it, I promise!!! Get 'em all!!!!! Not only is Jim one helluva great writer, he is one helluva great human being - it's there for a blind man to see in the novels - believe me!!! I consider my friendship with him a blessing, the replacement for losing my mentor , the late Wendell Mayes ("The Spirit of St. Louis," "The Hunters," "The Enemy Below," "Anatomy of a Murder," "Go Tell The Spartans"). You always need someone to look up to in your life so you can do better. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:37:26 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Re: Sopwith kit Message-ID: <001701c08069$25ff8cc0$2be8b094@sandyada> >I appreciate the feed back about the kit. I'm looking foreward to it. Like >I noted, I'm going to use parts for a Camel Taperwing. >thanks again all Hi Tom Atkins also did a 1/48 Fokker Dr1, which is still an excellent kit - was the best around until the DML appeared - has terrific metal and PE which I shall probably use instead of much of the DML stuff. Anyway, was it you asked for Taperwing plans? - there is a full set of 1/48 plans in the Air-Britain Camel File - along with full plans for every other Camel - all the engine variations, Comic, 2-seater, Taperwing, Swallow, Scooter - about 15 or 16 pages in total. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:47:37 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: military influence or propagandistic influence? was RE: Who was the most influential pilot? Message-ID: Shane, After reading the very nationalistic old German books from 1916/17 and later about Boelcke himself I personally do not think that MvR was far more influential on the public than Boelcke was himself. MvR was the one to follow Boelcke - the one who proved to be cut of the same wood than old master Boelcke (after the books). After Boelcke died, the whole nation fell into deep mourning (after the books). Boelckes death certainly was a great shock for every German who believed into the German victory hence the nation needed a new hero to keep up the moral - yes, that's what is written in the old books but I personally believe that the German army leaders - who was the responsibles of the big mess - was it who misused characters like Boelcke, Immelmann and MvR to justify the slaughtering of a whole generation as well as the sacrifices of the civil population. Without such heroes, the nation would probably have rebelled against the war much earlier. And off course it was not only the Huns who misused their heroes for propaganda. Every nation did it in that way or the other. One can see things with different eyes: We can either see people like MvR as bright shining knights without any weakness or we can try to see things as realistic as possible. To me the pilots of WW1 as well as of any other war was humans and nothing but humans. They had their strengths and they certainly had their weaknesses... It may sound romantic and heroic to read about them today, but their life in fact was hard and cruel which had a significant impact on them. They lived hell in the skies just like the infantry men lived hell in the mud. And this all had a very negative influence on their psychological developement. MvRs book - for instance - reflects only a little bit of the life and fears of those men because it fell under strict censorship at the time it got published. Contrary to it Ernst Udets book reveals much more of the life of a German WW1 pilot because it got published much later. When speaking about the psychlogical effect I think about one thing: In 1997 I personally survived a very bad train accident which did not have a negative psychological effect on my person - fortunately for me. It was not my fault and I got out of it with only a few bruises. Never had any nightmares or bad feelings when driving trains on the same line again where it happened... But it was quite a bit hard for me to prove to the responsibles of my company that I am fully ok for train driving. I had to undergo both medical and psychological tests before they allowed me to drive again. So - when I compare this event to what the soldiers lived in any war - it is just peanuts. Speaking with the psychologist of the French railroad company SNCF she told me that in case of such accidents psychological problems may occur even later... If problems occur is depending on many factors such as the psychological strength of the considered person and/or his/her social environnement. Perhaps it was only due to the fact that I am lucky enough to live a happy life with a wonderful woman and two wonderful kids that this all could do no harm to my soul but the boys who got send to war did not have such life. The love of my family is the shelter protecting my soul... But the boys in the field suffered from the separation from their loved ones and their life was far from being luxury out there in the fields - except but maybe for those pilots who lived a nice life in French castles, but MvR sure was not among them since his wing was considered to be the firefighters of the front. So if such a little event like that accident is assumed today to have such a bad impact on the character of a person, what was the impact on somebody who lived hell of a war? Is every suriving soldier considered to be a nutcase after war ended? Fact is, there was many many soldiers who faced a hard time after war ended and there was very little psychological threatment for them, even after WWII. As far as I know only the US was developing programs to help people with their pyschological problems of the war (WWII). There was no such program for the Lancaster boys - the guys who was send to hell on wings by Bomber Harris... The Brits just did not talk about it. If other nations such as the French, Germans or Australians developed programs for people with psychological problems is beyond my knowledge. Please excuse me for wandering a bit ot. What I wanted to say is that there was atleast two points the heroes influenced the war - first by their military deeds in the field and second by their propaganda work in the homeland. What they really thought about the latter is something they took to their graves. Perhaps they all felt like Max Stachel in some way but managed to keep their mouth shut about it - contrary to Stachel... sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Shane Weier > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:07 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Who was the most influential pilot? > > > Gaston says: > > > you probably forgot that MvR was a PUPIL of Oswald Boelcke. > > Not even slightly, and I'm well aware of whose pupil he was. You might > re-read my post, especially the last line which says that *unfortunately* > MvR was far more influential on the public because they all heard of him. > > Forgive me for falling about laughing at the prospect of Charles Schulz > having Snoopy fight Boelke - his millions of readers wouldn't ever have > heard of Boelke, even in the generally vague way that most non-enthusiasts > can recall the "Red Baron" as the greatest fighter pilot. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2983 **********************