WWI Digest 2979 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Most important? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 2) Re: More Eduard by Zulis@aol.com 3) Re: Most important? by "Bob Pearson" 4) Re: Most important? by "Steven M.Perry" 5) Re: More Eduard by "Steven M.Perry" 6) Re: Most important? by Ernest Thomas 7) Re: Most important? by "Steven M.Perry" 8) Re: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 9) Re: Most important? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 10) Re: Most important? by "Lyle Lamboley" 11) Kits for kids by "Steven M.Perry" 12) RE: Most important? by Shane Weier 13) Re: Most important? by "TOM PLESHA" 14) Re: Most important? by "Michael Kendix" 15) Who was the most influential pilot? by Todd Hayes 16) RE: Most important? by Shane Weier 17) Re: Most important? by Todd Hayes 18) RE: Who was the most influential pilot? by Shane Weier 19) Re: Most important? by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: Most important? by "DAVID BURKE" 21) Re: Most important? by "DAVID BURKE" 22) Re: Who was the most influential pilot? by "DAVID BURKE" 23) Re: Who was the most influential pilot? by "Steven M.Perry" 24) Re: Most important? by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: Most important? by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: Most important? by "Steven M.Perry" 27) Re: More Eduard by REwing@aol.com 28) Re: Who was the most influential pilot? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 29) PE Parts Set Update by "Steven M.Perry" 30) RE: Most Important? by MAnde72343@aol.com 31) Current Modelbud Order (late Monday Night) by Brent & Tina Theobald ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:46:39 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <24.fcee70e.279501ff@aol.com> In a message dated 1/15/01 8:39:16 PM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << Against what Tom thinks, the Albatros was a direct result of the Nieuport. The Nieuport was in existence before the Albatros. >> Because the Nieuport's a biplane all biplanes following are developments of the Nieuport? C'mon, Matt, don't embarrass yourself with that kind of "logic." Actually, it was a sesquiplane, lightly loaded with a rotary engine (but you know all that). The Nieuport was verything the Albatros wasn't. TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:51:31 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: In a message dated 1/13/2001 11:56:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, sljenkins@tac.com.au writes: << > Shane Weier wrote: > > > Anyone want to bribe me to start a scratchbuild of your > > favourite unkitted aircraft? Does use of high heeled boots and leather when next we meet constitue a bribe? Mistress Lorna >> That settles it - we DEFINITELY need Lorna in the Rogues Gallery.... DZ :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:55:21 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <200101160310.TAA31867@mail.rapidnet.net> Here goes ... The Sopwith Triplane. .. Because it led to the Fokker Dr.I, which led to the Red Baron, which led to Charles Schultz, which led to Peanuts, which led to Snoopy, which led to a shot up doghouse, which led to 'Curse You Red Baron", which led to a whole generation becoming interested in early aviation. Back to my very ot Flower class corvettes .. . Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:03:19 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <008401c07f60$808ebd00$f1f0aec7@default> Certianly the concept of the Flying Gun, (fly to point) shared by the Morane L and Fokker E.1 is a serious contender and perhaps even the title winner. Another design was similarly revolutionary and far reaching in it's effects on aerial warfare and that was the I'lya Muromets. It was the world's first four engined bomber. The idea of placing powerplants out on the wings is still with us in the B-52. The point as you fly idea was the main theme of fighter aircraft design until the off bore sight missles with the helmet mounted sight were developed and the engine on wing bomber held similar sway with bomber designs until the B1 and is arguably still with us to an extent in the B2. Another contender is the Halberstadt D.II because it was the first aircraft to fly in squadron strength with all members of the flight in radio communication with each other. The technology didn't mature until post war, but the idea was there and it eventually changed forever the tactics of air warfare. Just tossed out for consideration. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:05:09 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <009001c07f60$c2641220$f1f0aec7@default> > That settles it - we DEFINITELY need Lorna in the Rogues Gallery.... > > DZ :-) Here here :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:08:33 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <3A63AD1D.E3EF68D8@bellsouth.net> Matt Bittner, grasping at straws, wrote: > I'll then assert that the Nieuports were *one* important development, > then, and not *the most* important. However, I still say that in terms > of what the Nieuports "spawned" (e.g. the Albatros bipes, etc.) it was > important for that fact. Sorry Matt, but I don't think the Nieuports will ever live up to your image of them. :-) E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:08:43 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <009601c07f61$41aebda0$f1f0aec7@default> An afterthought on the most important.: Who invented the relief tube? sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:09:44 -0800 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 Message-ID: <3A64B898.DEB6F07C@tac.com.au> Brent Theobald wrote: > It's still not as bad as some of the $300 Contrail Staakens out there. WHAT!!!!! You're joking aren't you?? I got mine for approx AUD$30.00 only last year. Bloody hell, this means if I stuff something up (more than likely), I'll have to scratchbuild ;-) Shane the Younger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:06:54 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <000901c07f61$003d0c50$1d39183f@cyrixp166> They would in 1/48. ;-p Cyg. > Sorry Matt, but I don't think the Nieuports will ever live up to your image of > them. > :-) > E. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:28:00 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <009501c07f63$f56fab40$1acbd03f@lylelamb> The developments of Fokker and Junkers, which led to stressed skin construction a decade or so later. Also the concept of cantilever structures as in the D.VII and D.VIII. Imagine a Bf-10thingie with landing and flying wires and a kingpost! Although the stab struts were a nice salute to a bygone era. Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:38:17 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Kits for kids Message-ID: <00cb01c07f65$636a28e0$f1f0aec7@default> Lyle has written a very nice piece on the Fokker D.VII and I will include copies in each Fokker kit. With his permission I have pasted it below. This is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. He did an excellent job of writing for a 9 or 10 year old reader. Still need them for the SE.5a, Spad XIII, Camel, Albatros, Nieuport 17 and SVA 5 sp THE FOKKER D.VII In late 1917, the German Air Force was beginning to feel the pressure from the war being fought in France. At that time, the aircraft that were being used were the Albatros D.V and DVa, the Pfalz D.III and the Fokker Dr.I triplane. These airplanes, although very good flyers, weren't a match for the new Allied planes being produced in large numbers. Something had to be done, so the word was put out among the aircraft designers that a new aircraft was going to be needed that would bring back the effectiveness of the German fighter squadrons. The High Command decided to hold a competition that would bring all of these new aircraft together at one airfield. Many excellent pilots who were flying combat missions were invited to come and see and to fly the new planes and tell the officials which one they liked the best. One of these pilots was the Red Baron himself, Manfred von Richthofen, one of the most respected men in the entire German Air Force and a very good fighter pilot. The date for the competition was set for January 1918. The aircraft factories became very busy places while the designers prepared their drawings and the workers built the airplanes to be entered. One of the factories that was making a plane for this competition was run by Anthony Fokker, a Dutchman living in Germany. He had a number of excellent planes that had been used by the German Air Force, including his famous triplane, but all of them had become outdated by 1917. So he and his designers sat down and began to design a plane that he hoped would be the best one of them all. It was to be a biplane, an airplane with two wings. It had two Spandau machine guns mounted in front of the pilot. It had a 160 horsepower engine made by the Mercedes Company, the same company that made cars. While most planes had many wires to help brace the structure, Fokker's design didn't need them. It was a new concept in aircraft design called a cantilever structure, which meant that it was so strong that it could stand by itself. The body of the plane or fuselage was made of steel tubing and covered with fabric. This was also a very modern way of building planes, for at that time, most plane's fuselages were wood and wire braced. Finally, after a short time of designing and building, the airplane was finished. The competition was only a week or so away. When Fokker and his crew arrived at the airfield, they were sure that they had the best plane. Although there were many, many planes there, they did not lose hope in what they had made. The time had come for the first flight. Fokker, an excellent pilot, made the flight. When he landed, he had the plane moved into a hangar where a few improvements were made on the fuselage. The plane had been more skittish than he had liked, so his welders went to work and added a few feet to the fuselage length. The plane was now ready to enter into the competition. When the pilots flew the new design from Fokker, they were really impressed with how it flew. They made rolls, loops, all of the maneuvers that a pilot had to do while in battle. Although there were some other good planes there which were put into production, it was the Fokker that was declared the winner. The Red Baron had himself flown it and wanted it for his squadron as soon as possible. The official name given this plane was the Fokker D.VII (Roman numerals for "7"). In April 1918, the D.VII began to be the primary fighter of the German Air Force, and became a feared sight for many British and French pilots. Many of them were painted in bright reds and blues and yellows. There was even one that was all black. It was a very effective fighter but when the Americans began to come into the war, it was clear that Germany was going to lose. Even with so many aircraft fighting against them, the Germans continued to fight right up until just before the Armistice was signed on November 11, 1918. They had simply run out of gasoline and couldn't fly anymore. To show how dangerous a fighter the Fokker D.VII was thought to be by the Allies, they stated clearly in no uncertain terms that all Fokker D.VII fighters were to be surrendered. They were afraid of its abilities! Today, there are still a few original D.VIIs in museums, well-kept and a tribute to one of the most important designer of those days, Anthony Fokker. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:38:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Most important? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A39@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lyle suggests: > The developments of Fokker and Junkers, which led to stressed skin > construction a decade or so later. Also the concept of cantilever > structures as in the D.VII and D.VIII. > Imagine a Bf-10thingie with landing and flying wires and a kingpost! > Although the stab struts were a nice salute to a bygone era. Stressed skin and cantilever construction describes the Dornier D.I precisely and I agree that they are important developments. But the question was.... >What would listee's consider the most important aircraft of the first >world war? ...and I suspect that the impact of the Dornier - or these tehnologies in general - were minimal in WW1 and indeed not even general in WW2 twenty years later. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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Message-ID: <002301c07f66$0b4c10a0$4c424c0c@tom> I agree Tom P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Most important? > Here goes ... > > The Sopwith Triplane. .. > > Because it led to the Fokker Dr.I, which led to the Red Baron, which led to > Charles Schultz, which led to Peanuts, which led to Snoopy, which led to a > shot up doghouse, which led to 'Curse You Red Baron", which led to a whole > generation becoming interested in early aviation. > > Back to my very ot Flower class corvettes .. . > > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:43:46 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: >From: "Steven M.Perry" >An afterthought on the most important.: > >Who invented the relief tube? >sp Don't know but Sikorsky's Ilya Mourametz had indoor toilets, which was more than could be said for a large proportion of pre-WW1 English households:). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:47:48 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Who was the most influential pilot? Message-ID: <20010116024748.59580.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> For me the answer is very easy; Oswald Boelke! TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:48:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Most important? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A3A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael says: > >Who invented the relief tube? > > > Don't know but Sikorsky's Ilya Mourametz had indoor toilets, > which was more > than could be said for a large proportion of pre-WW1 English > households:) Recalling a 4 hour flight in a Beech Super King Air (no toilet) I hereby nominate the Flying Khazi as most important aviation inovation of the 20th century Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <20010116025534.61609.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Matt, I would name the Fokker Eindecker as the most important because of its place as the first practical gun platform. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > What would listee's consider the most important > aircraft of the first > world war? Regardless of how I feel about the type, > I would opt for > the Nieuport 11. Why? > > Look how it changed the course of aviation during > the war. It quelled > the "Fokker scourge". It also was the type everyone > wanted to copy, > especially when you move up to the Nieuport 17. The > Albatros and (to a > lesser degree) Pfalz fighters were a direct result > of the Nieuports. > Siemens Schuckert (and a couple of others) opted for > almost direct > copies. > > You can't say that with the Fokker D.VII. Sure it > was an advacement on > the airplane, but it wasn't in direct response of > another aircraft. It > was definitely a better aircraft than the Nieuport, > but it didn't > change the course of aviation. > > Just thinking to myself on a gloomy > Monday...although I truly should be > modeling... > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:55:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Who was the most influential pilot? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A3B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd says: > For me the answer is very easy; Oswald Boelke! On other fighter pilots, and on fighter pilotry in general, maybe. But take a vox pop and tell me whether he gets named ahead of MvR, Biggles Tom Cruise of Snoopy On the basis of both his influence on fighter tactics both then and since, and on the public perception of what fighter pilots are and do, it's hard to go past MvR unfortunately (IMHO, as always. This is a tougher question, I think) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:54:46 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <003401c07f68$40c2abc0$68e879a5@com> Most important aircraft? How about the planes that brought the pilots back? DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:58:41 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <003501c07f68$4162e360$68e879a5@com> > >An afterthought on the most important.: > > > >Who invented the relief tube? > >sp > Probably the guy who had to wipe off the sides of the aircraft and figured that instead of bringing one's own back on the plane, better to drop it on the enemy! I would assume that they would have been more appropriate for long-duration bombers than fighters. I would also assume that pilots would have been in better physical shape and be eating better food than their ground-based brethren. DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:51:35 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <003301c07f68$3ff94140$68e879a5@com> Bob Pearson says it all: > Here goes ... > > The Sopwith Triplane. .. > > Because it led to the Fokker Dr.I, which led to the Red Baron, which led to > Charles Schultz, which led to Peanuts, which led to Snoopy, which led to a > shot up doghouse, which led to 'Curse You Red Baron", which led to a whole > generation becoming interested in early aviation. YYYYYEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!! High five, my Main Man!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:00:25 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Who was the most influential pilot? Message-ID: <004101c07f68$7aa47b20$68e879a5@com> > Todd says: > > > For me the answer is very easy; Oswald Boelke! > Mick Mannock, cuz he looked like Johnny Rotten! DB 'sizzle, sizzle, wonk!' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:09:46 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Who was the most influential pilot? Message-ID: <010b01c07f69$da802a20$f1f0aec7@default> Don't sell Fonk short on this one. He was among the first to preach and practice physical fittness and sobriety as an intergal part of gaining the edge in aerial combat. While his influence at the time was minimal (as was his personality some may point out). His ideas have proven as lasting and true today as Boelcke's sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:14:44 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <3A63BCA2.767B090F@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > I would also assume that pilots would have been in > better physical shape and be eating better food than their ground-based > brethren. I guess, if you consider burnt castor oil a better meal than BBQ rat. I'll take the rat, thank you. More protein, less chorlesterol. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:30:24 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <200101160330.TAA22184@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:52:00 -0500 (EST), TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > Because the Nieuport's a biplane all biplanes following are developments of > the Nieuport? C'mon, Matt, don't embarrass yourself with that kind of > "logic." Actually, it was a sesquiplane, lightly loaded with a rotary engine > (but you know all that). The Nieuport was verything the Albatros wasn't. I quote from the Albatros Datafile Special: "...the Albatros D.III adopted the sesquiplane (literally, 1 1/2 wing) layout favoured by Nieuport and which had such a profound influence on German designers' thinking at the time. Almost before the earlier D.I and D.II entered production, Thelen and his design team were involved in producing a successor which would incorporate some of the French fighters' more desirable attributes." As I stated in my previous post, the Albatros was a direct result (at least the D.III) of the Nieuport. Nowhere in my message did I state that all biplanes were a result of the Nieuport. Heck, you had the Halberstadt and Fokker bipes that were not a direct result of the Nieuport. Cripes. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:42:31 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Most important? Message-ID: <011f01c07f6e$5c956a80$f1f0aec7@default> The Nieuport, (small & agile) vs the Albatros, (big & fast ) design concepts are still competing to this day. Look at the F-16 vs the F-15. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:41:55 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <8e.fd14d3b.27951d03@aol.com> --part1_8e.fd14d3b.27951d03_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Does use of high heeled boots and leather when next we meet constitute a > bribe? > > Mistress Lorna >> > > That settles it -- we DEFINITELY need Lorna in the Rogues Gallery.... > > DZ To heck with that, Dave!!! We need her at the next Over the Front seminar in San Diego!!! ;^} -Rick- --part1_8e.fd14d3b.27951d03_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Does use of high heeled boots and leather when next we meet constitute a
bribe?

Mistress Lorna >>
 
That settles it -- we DEFINITELY need Lorna in the Rogues Gallery....

DZ    :-)


     To heck with that, Dave!!!  We need her at the next Over the Front
seminar in San Diego!!! ;^}
  
-Rick- --part1_8e.fd14d3b.27951d03_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:07:11 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Who was the most influential pilot? Message-ID: <61.a80cc65.279522ef@aol.com> In a message dated 1/15/01 9:50:06 PM EST, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: << For me the answer is very easy; Oswald Boelke! >> Hear! Hear! (stomping feet on floor) Hear! Hear! TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:36:20 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: PE Parts Set Update Message-ID: <014301c07f75$e100c880$f1f0aec7@default> I have received some sketches and copies of items. Thanks Tom & Graham. but I am still awaiting the arrival of the Fotocut catalog and booklet. I expect to move ahead with having some drawings made as soon as I ship off the package of kits to the school. I will contact Fred of Fotocut later this week and I'll let y'all know what transpires. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:16:58 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Most Important? Message-ID: <76.6e41cc7.2795334a@aol.com> --part1_76.6e41cc7.2795334a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A thread with many possible answers, but I think Matt was on to something, the Bebe was a sesquiplane, and the sesquiplane format remained common thereafter-copied by Albatros for the later fighters. More interesting is the "light fighter" concept, which the 11 personified, and is still an important type (F-104, F-5, F-16)so, although the design itself was 'tapped out' by mid 1917, it still had profound and lasting effects. Merrill --part1_76.6e41cc7.2795334a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A thread with many possible answers, but I think Matt was on to something,
the Bebe was a sesquiplane, and the sesquiplane format remained common
thereafter-copied by Albatros for the later fighters. More interesting is the
"light fighter" concept, which the 11 personified, and is still an important
type (F-104, F-5, F-16)so, although the design itself was 'tapped out' by mid
1917, it still had profound and lasting effects.
Merrill

--part1_76.6e41cc7.2795334a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:40:56 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Current Modelbud Order (late Monday Night) Message-ID: <3A63DEE7.73B50A46@airmail.net> Howdy gang! Here is the list as of this moment. Please make sure I have you down for what you want. If you want to be on this list please hurry as I want to finalize at this time tomorrow. I'll carbon copy the list my order to Modelbud and also forward his response to the list. We are dealing with a fair sum of money and I want everyone to be as comfortable as possible. Matt, I have been unable to double check your Ansaldo question. If the Modelbud Choroszy web site isn't fixed before tomorrow night I will ask Mr. Choroszy himself before we order. By the way Matt, did you notice how many German subjects we're ordering? Sometimes I vonder who von ze Krieg... Later! Brent ================================================================= Brent Theobald: 1 #B28 Fredrichshafen FF-33H @ $23 1 #C03 Fredrichshafen G IIIa @ $30 1 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 Craig Gavin: 1 #A35 Salmson 2.A2 @ $18.00 1 #B28 Fredrichshafen FF-33H @ $23.00 Matt Bittner: 1 #A26 Ansaldo SVA @ $18.00 Mike Dicianna: 1 #C03 Fredrichshafen G.III @ $30.00 Courtney Allen: 1 #A14 Albatros BIIa @ $18 1 #A22 Caproni Ca.100 @ $18 1 #A35 Salmson 2A2 @ $18 1 #B29 Fredrichshafen FF-33L @ $23 1 #E02 Latham 43 HB3 @ $60 John Huggins: 1 #C03 Fredrichshafen G IIIa @ $30 1 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 Mike Kavanaugh: 1 #B27 Fredrichshafen FF-33E @ $23.00 1 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 Ronald Heffner: 1 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 Ken Hagerup: 1 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2979 **********************