WWI Digest 2977 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Derek Robinson by Crawford Neil 2) RE: Derek Robinson by "CharlesGosse" 3) RE: Derek Robinson by Crawford Neil 4) Re: Nieuport Triplanes was More Eduard. by "TOM PLESHA" 5) Back in the Northern Hemisphere by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 6) Re: Jenny by BEN8800@aol.com 7) Re: Jenny by BEN8800@aol.com 8) Re: Rudder by BEN8800@aol.com 9) Re: Keilcraft 1:72 by "Sandy Adam" 10) The Roden Pfalz again... by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 11) Camel/Swallow Cockpits by "David Vosburgh" 12) Re: Camel/Swallow Cockpits by "Steven M.Perry" 13) RE: Derek Robinson by "CharlesGosse" 14) RE: Back in the Northern Hemisphere by Crawford Neil 15) Re: Camel/Swallow Cockpits by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: Camel help by "Dale Sebring" 17) RE: Back in the Northern Hemisphere by "Lance Krieg" 18) Toko er.. Roden Gotha News by Brent Theobald 19) Sopwith Taperwing by "TOM PLESHA" 20) Project from Hell by "Lance Krieg" 21) Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 22) RE: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 by Brent Theobald 23) P/E Scarff Rings by "Laskodi" 24) Re: Keilcraft 1:72 by "Robert Fabris" 25) Re: P/E Scarff Rings by "TOM PLESHA" 26) Re: Project from Hell by "DAVID BURKE" 27) Re: P/E Scarff Rings by "DAVID BURKE" 28) Re: Derek Robinson by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 29) RE: Scho's LVG by "Nigel Rayner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:12:51 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Derek Robinson Message-ID: I hope it's not about F18's! What is it about? /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: CharlesGosse [mailto:charlesgosse@mindspring.com] > Sent: den 15 januari 2001 14:13 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Derek Robinson > > > He has a new book out called "Hornet's Sting." I just > started it, pretty > good. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:15:56 -0500 From: "CharlesGosse" To: Subject: RE: Derek Robinson Message-ID: It's set prior to Goshawk Squadron, RFC pilots at the front. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Crawford Neil Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Derek Robinson I hope it's not about F18's! What is it about? /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: CharlesGosse [mailto:charlesgosse@mindspring.com] > Sent: den 15 januari 2001 14:13 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Derek Robinson > > > He has a new book out called "Hornet's Sting." I just > started it, pretty > good. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:28:16 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Derek Robinson Message-ID: So between War-stories and Goshawk squadron, are they flying SE5's? Sounds interesting. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: CharlesGosse [mailto:charlesgosse@mindspring.com] > Sent: den 15 januari 2001 14:28 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Derek Robinson > > > It's set prior to Goshawk Squadron, RFC pilots at the front. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Crawford Neil > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Derek Robinson > > > I hope it's not about F18's! What is it about? > /Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CharlesGosse [mailto:charlesgosse@mindspring.com] > > Sent: den 15 januari 2001 14:13 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: RE: Derek Robinson > > > > > > He has a new book out called "Hornet's Sting." I just > > started it, pretty > > good. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:34:17 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport Triplanes was More Eduard. Message-ID: <000b01c07f00$3e6c8200$f0744c0c@tom> Reviewing the Ni, I find similarities/differences: 1.one has no serial but stated it has a Ni 17 fuselage, 110 hp Le Rhone, cone de penetration and a stripped lewis gun. 2.N1388, delivered to No.2 AD at Candas for the RFC on 01/1917. Has a 17 fuselage and tail, vickers gun, Le Rhone powered, an RFC #A6686. 3.N1946 had a 17bis fuselage, vickers gun , RNAS#521. Tom P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Smith" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:30 AM Subject: Re: Nieuport Triplanes was More Eduard. > Todd, > > This subject is fraught with difficulties, so perhaps Squadron may be > excused for their errors. The A/c with the apparent positive stagger > stated by them to be based on a Nieuport 11 fuselage and numbered 1448 on > the rudder would seem to be the first of the experimentals, actually based > on a Nieuport 10 fuselage and numbered N1118. The middle wing is mounted > well behind the top wing and slightly behind the lower wing, a drawing > showing this configuration is in the FMP French book. > > The second A/c, for which I can trace no serial number, appears to be based > on a Nieuport 17 fuselage and armed with an offset Hotchkiss machine gun. > This version had a solid (no cut out) top wing. > > The third A/c, Serial Number N1388, possibly based on a Nieuport 21, but > armed with a centrally mounted Vickers machine gun, had a top wing with a > large semi-circular cut out in the top wing. I believe that this A/c was > the one transferred to the RFC and re-numbered A'6686. (Note that the A/c > numbered A5886 in the Squadron write up should have been an Avro 504a.) > > The final A/c, Serial number N1946, appears to have been based on a Nieuport > 24bis fuselage, again with the cut out in the top wing. This A/c was > transferred to the RNAS and re-numbered N521. > > Regards Len. > > lensmith@clara.net > http://home.clara.net/lensmith > > >Tom's is working on a Nieuport Triplane conversion. > >The Squadron "in action" booklet shows three different > >Triplanes including one with a positive stagger. Have > >you seen these? I know these pubs. are not very > >accurate at times but pictures don't lie - too often. > >The one with the positive stagger looks like it's > >based on a Nie.21, another on a Nie. 17, and the third > >on a Nie.23. Do you know if this is correct? I'd > >like to do the one with the positive stagger. > > Todd > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:01:11 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Back in the Northern Hemisphere Message-ID: Hi Listies, Iīm back from the trip to Australia slightly earlier than originally intended due to a short term customer visit over here - sorry Shane (StY) & Lorna for not being able to attend the APMA meeting, but I was already in the plane back to Sīpore at that time. We had a great time over there, in part due to the wonderful evening we spend with Shane (the "more experienced"?) and his family in Brisbane. It was great to see that Bristol F 2B "in natura" and not only on photos - it looked much better than in the IM... I just browsed through the mailing list archives and saw the discussion on the distances involved. Given the 7 days we had for the NSW/Victory/SA trip, we were not that bad, but we failed to get to Adelaide/the Barossa and the Butler M1C; instead, we went from Mildura/the Mungo National Park directly to the Grampians and the Great Ocean Drive; so close and yet so far... Point Cook was a great surprise, I was not aware of that superb Farman they have over ther; now where is that Blue Rider kit? David, your hint with Hearns Hobbies and Hylands bookshop was great - especially Hylands is really very good in itīs OT selection. I also found a shop called Victorian Hobbies not that far from Flinders Street station and Hylands with a superb selection of short run and OT stuff - and really nice people running that shop. As for the beer, I was amazed about the choice you got over there - feels nearly like being in Bavaria; As informed by Lance, I tasted the main local beers like the VB, Toohey or XXXX, and there was always someone to inform me wether you drink it from a tinnie or a stubbie - Aussies seem to be rather strict on that point. I even found a micro brewery doing some superb wheat beer over there. But the wines (Hunter and Yarra - the Barossa has to wait) were even better. And Cam, your comments on the Hunter were very helpful.We found soem great sparkling wines (easily comparable to some very good Proseccos) over there. Thatīs what I like about this list: It does not stop with the modeling only! Anyway, Iīm now back, and the Roden & Pfalz D IIIs are waiting. Then, on to those Sopwiths... Good to be back with you, Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:54:48 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <76.6de8fa2.27946938@aol.com> --part1_76.6de8fa2.27946938_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/01 2:56:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, sm5192@bellatlantic.net writes: > Ben, > > If it can't be cast, why not suppy it as precut, notched, bent wire parts? > Might > raise the cost of the model slightly but would provide for a representative > welded > steel tube rudder frame. How was the rudder on the Albatros cast? I have > it an > aside from some slight clean-up and straightening it looks real good. > > Alvie > > Precut, bent parts is not to the liking of Model Expo. To expensive. I have > decided to go with a metal rod trailing edge which the model builder bends > to plan, and the ribs and diagonals wood. > > --part1_76.6de8fa2.27946938_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/01 2:56:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sm5192@bellatlantic.net writes:


Ben,

If it can't be cast, why not suppy it as precut, notched, bent wire parts?  
Might
raise the cost of the model slightly but would provide for a representative
welded
steel tube rudder frame.  How was the rudder on the Albatros cast?  I have
it an
aside from some slight clean-up and straightening it looks real good.

Alvie

Precut, bent parts is not to the liking of Model Expo. To expensive. I have
decided to go with a metal rod trailing edge which the model builder bends
to plan, and the ribs and diagonals wood.

Ben


--part1_76.6de8fa2.27946938_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:54:50 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <3d.6188620.2794693a@aol.com> --part1_3d.6188620.2794693a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/01 11:35:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, LEONARDPeterL@aol.com writes: > You've lost me now. Is it the Nieto drawing you need? If so I have it. > > cheers > > Peter L > No. I have the Nieto drawing. I was just looking for "another" drawing or photo of the rudder depicted on the Nieto drawing. The Nieto drawing does not indicate the sizes of the wooden ribs and diagonals. But, I can just guess at them. Ben --part1_3d.6188620.2794693a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/01 11:35:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LEONARDPeterL@aol.com writes:


You've lost me now. Is it the Nieto drawing you need? If so I have it.

cheers

Peter L


No. I have the Nieto drawing. I was just looking for "another" drawing or
photo of the rudder depicted on the Nieto drawing. The Nieto drawing does not
indicate the sizes of the wooden ribs and diagonals. But, I can just guess at
them.

Ben
--part1_3d.6188620.2794693a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:54:49 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: lemen@x25.net Subject: Re: Rudder Message-ID: <3b.f1743a2.27946939@aol.com> --part1_3b.f1743a2.27946939_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the photos of the Jenny rudder and elevator. The elevator is exactly as I have it on the plan now. As for the rudder, it is very interesting. I have a plan of the JN4 (not the 4D) that shows this exact rudder with metal trailing edge, and wooden horizontal and vertical struts assembled with small chocks at the intersections of the horizontal and vertical struts. I have never seen this particular arrangement on a 4D model. Nieto's drawing, and another isometric drawing of the 4D I found in WW1 Aero magazine has a similar rudder but instead of vertical struts the struts are angled aft. This could have been a change made later from the original and early 4D models. Probably before the all tubular rudder. I have decided to go with the Nieto drawing arrangement. However, your photos help a lot regarding the sizes of the wood pieces. Thanks again. Ben Be --part1_3b.f1743a2.27946939_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the photos of the Jenny rudder and elevator. The elevator is
exactly as I have it on the plan now. As for the rudder, it is very
interesting. I have a plan of the JN4 (not the 4D) that shows this exact
rudder with metal trailing edge, and wooden horizontal and vertical  struts
assembled with small chocks  at the intersections of the horizontal and
vertical struts. I have never seen this particular arrangement on a 4D model.

Nieto's drawing, and another isometric drawing of the 4D I found in WW1 Aero
magazine has a similar rudder but instead of vertical struts the struts are
angled aft. This could have been a change made later from the original and
early 4D models. Probably before the all tubular rudder.

I have decided to go with the Nieto drawing arrangement. However, your photos
help a lot regarding the sizes of the wood pieces. Thanks again.

Ben

Be
--part1_3b.f1743a2.27946939_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:00:57 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Re: Keilcraft 1:72 Message-ID: <003901c07f04$15c1e800$0fe8b094@sandyada> >Anyone here heard of a company called Keilcraft? For >you microscale modelers, King Kit lists a Camel by >this company. Hi Todd Keilkraft were one of the major UK suppliers of balsa flying scale models back in the 50s & 60s. Used to do a comprehensive range of WW1, WW2 and modern subjects with either rubber or jetex (ramjet) propulsion. WW1 subjects included an SE5a, Camel, Nieuport 11 and Fokker DVIII. Wingspan was usually about 18-25 inches. Some of the subjects are still available. When Airfix started to achieve success, Keilkraft replied with a Camel and a Hurricane in plastic in 1/72 but never made any more. I can't remember much about the Camel but it was on a par with the Airfix offering. I have seen it since but since it is only in Condom scale, I haven't really been terribly interested. KingKit is run by another Nigel Hannant-type who dictates the terms upon which he will allow you to buy from him. Prices can be a little high, but he certainly has a huge stock and delivers very promptly. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:25:42 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: The Roden Pfalz again... Message-ID: Having a second look on my comments on the MAC and Roden Pfalz I just posted before flying to Australia, I have 2 more comments: First, Windsock vol 16/6 arrived over here in the meantime (now I understand the comments on your Halbertadt, Tom), and in it was the discussion of the Roden kit by Ray Rimmell. I disagree with his comment on the (missing) length of the Pfalz. I guess he compared it to the DF drawing. However, to the best of my knowledge these drawings are wrong (with an oversize fuselage length) and the Roden (and MAC/Czechmaster/Meikraft) kits are basically as close as you can get to the real thing... Too, as stated in my original mail, I found the layout with the three fusleage parts actually quite helful to fix the cockpit in position. No case of "overengineering" from my point of few (then again, I am an engineer...). The name of the game is dryfitting (with careful sanding and bending) over here, and if you are careful with this, the ultimate fit is actually surprisingly good. However, there is one additional problem with the Roden I forgot to mention: The engine does not fit into the engine cover in the required position because the cover is to thick. This can easily be reworked by some careful thinning of the cover from the inside. Once done, this cover looks great (another advantage of the layout Roden has chosen, as there is no joint line in the cover area) - just like in a well done vacform. Another area that requires some rework (both slight filling and sanding this time) are the overdone "trenches" on the underside of the wingroot. And as for Matts question on using the (better) surplus Roden lower wing on the Meikraft or Mac kit, I think this should be easily possible. However, I used the original Mac wing, as I still like that wing root (even though it is quite inaccurate - but I think Oberingenieur Gehringer and his team came up with the second best solution only over here) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:07:56 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Camel/Swallow Cockpits Message-ID: <000e01c07f05$098be120$6eed19ce@Pvosburg> Given the fact that I've been amassing references on O/T a/c since I was about 12, I've been amazed at how little I actually have on the Camel in terms of cockpit detail. Can anybody tell me whether the floor was fabric or plywood? Or was it fabric with a set of ply races? Has anybody else built Eric's Swallow kit? If so could you drop me a line off-list? Thanks, DV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:17:01 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Camel/Swallow Cockpits Message-ID: <002501c07f06$3797cb00$eef1aec7@default> > Has anybody else built Eric's Swallow kit? If so could you drop me a line off-list? Dave I just finished building one. What you need to know? sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:29:22 -0500 From: "CharlesGosse" To: Subject: RE: Derek Robinson Message-ID: Early on, but, yes, I think they do. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Crawford Neil Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Derek Robinson So between War-stories and Goshawk squadron, are they flying SE5's? Sounds interesting. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: CharlesGosse [mailto:charlesgosse@mindspring.com] > Sent: den 15 januari 2001 14:28 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Derek Robinson > > > It's set prior to Goshawk Squadron, RFC pilots at the front. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Crawford Neil > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Derek Robinson > > > I hope it's not about F18's! What is it about? > /Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CharlesGosse [mailto:charlesgosse@mindspring.com] > > Sent: den 15 januari 2001 14:13 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: RE: Derek Robinson > > > > > > He has a new book out called "Hornet's Sting." I just > > started it, pretty > > good. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:12:03 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Back in the Northern Hemisphere Message-ID: Welcome back to the cold side Volker, we're not a bit jealous of you........ /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:08:04 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Camel/Swallow Cockpits Message-ID: <003901c07f0d$ec2c4300$da93aec7@com> > Given the fact that I've been amassing references on O/T a/c since I was about 12, I've > been amazed at how little I actually have on the Camel in terms of cockpit detail. Can > anybody tell me whether the floor was fabric or plywood? Or was it fabric with a set of > ply races? > DV > Hi David, The framework of the Camel fuselage was wood, with wood footboards. Look at the Gallery under David Burke and then at the Camel pics. You will see several images of the naked frame structure and floor (and all of that damnable piping and tankwork that is hidden from view). DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:14:23 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Camel help Message-ID: <00ab01c07f0e$3a4bf4e0$55b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Camel help > The big thig I remember is that the upper wing must be lowered a little bit > that requires shortening the cabane and interplane struts but I don't know by > how much. You may want to drill-out the engine and replace with an aftermarket > and do something about the wheels if I remember correctly. > > Alvie Thanks Alvie, I appreciate the help. Regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:46:01 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: Back in the Northern Hemisphere Message-ID: Hell, he's in MALAYSIA... not much cold there. Probably could use a good snow storm, eh, Volker? Lance >>> Neil.Crawford@volvo.com 01/15/01 10:17AM >>> Welcome back to the cold side Volker, we're not a bit jealous of you........ /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:39:51 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Toko er.. Roden Gotha News Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC31@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com> Howdy Gang! I was visiting with an employee of Squadron Mail Order yesterday and he says they have test shots in house. They look good to him too. Supposedly the kits are on the boat en route to SMO right now. He mentioned something about needing boxes. That would be a shame if that's all that's holding the release up. No amount of wheedling, threats or begging could get him to give the plastic to me today. All he could do is let me come by and look at it. Anyhow, it sounds like they will be here before you know it. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:18:23 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Sopwith Taperwing Message-ID: <001301c07f17$2adee540$dd454c0c@tom> Hi- I'm thinking that addition to the Pup that is under construction I might do a Taperwing. Does anyone know of any available info on this one, other then whats in the datafile. thanks Tom P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:17:51 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Project from Hell Message-ID: I just spent another weekend moving steadily backwards on Lone Star's Felixstowe, and have about reached the point where I am ready to sweep the wreckage back in the box and resume home-improvement chores. If I hadn't already spent almost 300 hours, or was just a little less stubborn, I would take up another hobby. For those of you contemplating this model, a couple of suggestions from the voice of bitter experience: Accept the too-narrow fuselage and too-shallow hull, as the corrections for these inaccuracies are more work than they are worth. I will, if I ever finish, have re-skinned the entire boat, and it is considerably weaker than it was when I started. Accept the inaccurate joint in the top wing, and do not attempt to relocate the dihedral breaks to their actual positions. Any seam in the top wing will be impossible to keep closed, as the extreme length of the wing means that it WILL flex, and crack whatever filler was used. I have had to scratchbuild the replacements, as this lesson was not apparent to me early enough in the project. I thought this was supposed to be fun... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:19:37 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 Message-ID: Hi Folks, There is one of these on Ebay(ELUNACY!!!!) for $167.50. Is it really worth this much now???? Should I expect to pay in this neighborhood for this kit, nice as it was???? Any comments are appreciated.... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:38:32 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC34@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com> John, Don't freak! These kits aren't worth that much to most of us. I paid $60 for mine, but other folks have paid as little as $25. It's still not as bad as some of the $300 Contrail Staakens out there. The way kits keep coming out I need to hurry up and build my Caproni before Roden releases one for $12! Later! Brent -----Original Message----- From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com [mailto:John_Impenna@hyperion.com] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Meikraft Caproni Ca-3 Hi Folks, There is one of these on Ebay(ELUNACY!!!!) for $167.50. Is it really worth this much now???? Should I expect to pay in this neighborhood for this kit, nice as it was???? Any comments are appreciated.... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:43:41 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "Post WW1 List" Subject: P/E Scarff Rings Message-ID: <000c01c07f1a$b35bf7c0$2a3819d0@laskodi> Does any one know a source for 1/48 P/E scarff ring sets? I believe the Tom's Modelworks British Gun Set no longer includes them, hopefully I'm wrong? TIA ---------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:05:16 -0800 From: "Robert Fabris" To: Subject: Re: Keilcraft 1:72 Message-ID: <001301c07f1d$b8cb8a60$9b3a480c@garage> > Anyone here heard of a company called Keilcraft? For > you microscale modelers, King Kit lists a Camel by > this company. In response, the Collectors Value Guide (Burns) shows two kits - F.1 Hawker Hurricane and F.2 Sopwith Camel. Both 1/72 These were the only kits produced, 1958-60.. value, 3-6 dollars. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:08:31 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: P/E Scarff Rings Message-ID: <000b01c07f1e$2beef180$c7404c0c@tom> Hi Bob- Aeroclub makes a P/E scarf ring set in 1/48 the number is V129. I don't remember what they cost. There appears to be 8 rings per set. Tom P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laskodi" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: P/E Scarff Rings > Does any one know a source for 1/48 P/E scarff ring sets? I believe the > Tom's Modelworks British Gun Set no longer includes them, hopefully I'm > wrong? > TIA > ---------Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:06:30 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Project from Hell Message-ID: <001c01c07f1e$0c6b9f20$9f86aec7@com> > > I thought this was supposed to be fun... > > Lance > Awww, buck up, Trooper! I'm sure that you will have a glorious model finished in time for the Nats - just in time for the judges to overlook it!! ;-) Seriously, I look forward to seeing it. And make sure it's at the FRONT of the table so the judges can see it! If anyone can make a masterpiece of of that mess, you can! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:07:37 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: P/E Scarff Rings Message-ID: <001d01c07f1e$0d3caac0$9f86aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laskodi" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: P/E Scarff Rings > Does any one know a source for 1/48 P/E scarff ring sets? I believe the > Tom's Modelworks British Gun Set no longer includes them, hopefully I'm > wrong? > TIA > ---------Bob > Fotocut has them in their WWI parts sets. DB Also, CSM has a PE scarff set in the Strutter set. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:33:54 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Derek Robinson Message-ID: <17.1043b643.27949c92@aol.com> In a message dated 1/15/01 7:34:03 AM EST, Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes: << I read the blurb about the author on the inside cover. In Goshawk Squadron from 1973 it say's that he did his national service in the RAF, in Piece of Cake from 1983 it say's he was a fighter plotter, and in "War stories" he'd become a fighter pilot! Makes you wonder doesn't it? >> My bet is this is direct from a junior copywriter in the publisher's publicity department. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:59:33 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Scho's LVG Message-ID: <000401c07f25$4be39f20$983bedc1@w1o0t3> > This time, it hasn't all ended in tears. I've finished the LVG C.VI kit > and > > it's posted on my pages. > > > > Euphoricilly yours, > > Scho Well done Scho, nice looking model. See, it just takes a beer with a couple of handsome and charming listees at the Nationals to get the inspiration flowing again..........:-) Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2977 **********************