WWI Digest 2976 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: IPMS - my experiences was by "David Calhoun" 2) RE: More Eduard by Shane Weier 3) RE: More Eduard by Shane Weier 4) Re: I finished a model! by "Dale Sebring" 5) RE: More Eduard by Todd Hayes 6) RE: More Eduard by Shane Weier 7) German fabric requests by "CharlesGosse" 8) IPMS< and judging, prejudice, etc. by MAnde72343@aol.com 9) Re: More Eduard by MAnde72343@aol.com 10) Re: I finished a model! by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: IPMS< and judging, prejudice, etc. by "DAVID BURKE" 12) Re: I finished a model! by "Steven M.Perry" 13) Re: I finished a model! by "TOM PLESHA" 14) Re: IPMS< and judging, prejudice, etc. by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "David Calhoun" 16) Keilcraft 1:72 by Todd Hayes 17) King Kit/ Skybirds Rumpler C.IV by Todd Hayes 18) I swear by "Steven M.Perry" 19) Kingkit Again by Todd Hayes 20) Re: King Kit/ Skybirds Rumpler C.IV by "Steven M.Perry" 21) Re: IPMS< and judging, prejudice, etc. by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 22) Re: I finished a model! by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 23) Sopwith Bloopers by Todd Hayes 24) Re: I finished a model! by "Richard Eaton" 25) Re: Nieuport Triplanes was More Eduard. by "Len Smith" 26) RE: Help with French Beige-3 by Crawford Neil 27) Derek Robinson by Crawford Neil 28) RE: Derek Robinson by "CharlesGosse" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:55:53 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was Message-ID: <00b301c07e8d$eab828c0$e12f3ccc@oemcomputer> Popular vote reminds me of the NFL Pro Bowl voting. Only one member of the NY Giants defense was voted to the team. Don't matter much, they stuffed the Vikings - zero points, and will be in the Superbowl! Sorry for the ot post, but a diehard Giant fan just having to brag! Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Crawford" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was > First sorry about the HTML in my last posts, how do I shut that off forever? > I'm sorry I just don't believe in the "old buddy syndrome". Modellers and > especially judges aren't like that, certainly not deliberately. What I think can > happen is that when you know who has built a model, and that person is someone you respect, that model has a small advantage over the model beside > it. But good judges should keep that in mind, and I think they do. It's a good > reason to invite good modellers in as guest judges. As to the popular vote thing > I am sorry but it doesn't work very well in practice. > /Neil > > Michael wrote. > This "Old buddy" problem is one reason I like "popular vote" as a means to > decide a winner. Democracy may not provide the most "expert" decision but > it's harder to bribe everyone at a meeting than a couple of judges. BTW, > the national level judges I know wouldn't do that. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:53:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: More Eduard Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A23@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd, > I'm kind of surprised that Eduard is doing the W.4. > Now if they'd only do some more Albatros 2-seaters! > When the D.III was released someone here predicted it (thereby earning my undying enmity, only I forget who it was so I'll hate everyone equally ;-) Mind you, it does make sense. They already have a perfectly useable fuselage mould, and only need flying surfaces and floats Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:57:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: More Eduard Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A24@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Shane (tY), > Wrong person matey ;-þ No I knew who said it, but was making the admission to Todd that he had no hope of bribing me like Lorna does, > > True. Nobody does depravity like Mistress Lorna ;-) > > And don't I know it ;-þ Incidentally, I see above that YOU have my tongue poking emoticon. That'll be the last time I trust you to use my PC when you visit ;-) Shane (tE) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:20:15 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: I finished a model! Message-ID: <002f01c07e78$2c889de0$9da58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Schofield" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: I finished a model! > This time, it hasn't all ended in tears. I've finished the LVG C.VI kit and > it's posted on my pages. > > Euphoricilly yours, > Scho > http://www.ww1.org.uk Thank you Steve for the beautiful workmanship...its trully awsome! Are you sure that fus was not carved from real wood? ;-) Outstanding job. Best regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:23:46 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: More Eduard Message-ID: <20010114222346.74809.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> But isn't the W.4 a slightly larger a/c? Todd --- Shane Weier wrote: > Todd, > > > I'm kind of surprised that Eduard is doing the > W.4. > > Now if they'd only do some more Albatros > 2-seaters! > > > > When the D.III was released someone here predicted > it > > (thereby earning my undying enmity, only I forget > who it was so I'll hate > everyone equally ;-) > > Mind you, it does make sense. They already have a > perfectly useable fuselage > mould, and only need flying surfaces and floats > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:28:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: More Eduard Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A28@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd, > But isn't the W.4 a slightly larger a/c? Different bigger wings, different bigger tailplanes, rudder etc, and floats. Fuselage is exactly a D.II IIRC Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:38:43 -0500 From: "CharlesGosse" To: Subject: German fabric requests Message-ID: I have a small collection of 1914-1918 aeronautica which I exhibit online at http://charlesgosse.home.mindspring.com A number of you have visited and gone on to write to me about my collection and that's very much appreciated. I hope to update the site soon. If you have visited, you know that I am not a dealer and that my site is entirely non-commercial. That having been said, I do get a number of requests to sell a piece of fabric, especially in connection with modelling projects. Because running my collection does, after a while, involve expenses such as web hosting and so forth, I am now going to try to raise a little money by making a couple of very small pieces of original fabric available at a fair price through the good folks at ebay. I do not mean to advertise on your site, but if you have asked, I wanted to let you know. You can find the piece under collectibles/aviation or collectibles/militaria/wwi/ as 'Lozenge' camouflage German aircraft fabric. If someone buys it and there is still interest, I have a few more pieces. Thanks very much. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:09:44 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: IPMS< and judging, prejudice, etc. Message-ID: <9d.fe3d797.27938bb8@aol.com> --part1_9d.fe3d797.27938bb8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My local club sometimes gets "booed" because we seem to take away more than "our share" of prizes at contests, but my local club has included: Steve Hustad, Bob Steinbrunn, John Valo, John Bernier, and until recently, Brent Theobald, to name just those who's work has been nationally published; with that kind of skill and talent to draw on, there are ten others who are just as good or very close in quality, the sharing and comparing that go on in a good club raises nearly everyone's work. As a related note, I remember going to a contest years ago, and asking a modeler how he did something, only to be told, in very unfriendly terms, that that was a secret! I have never had that happen with a club member in any of the clubs I've belonged to over the years, (and I include the List in that). So although some chapters may favor local entrants, they are not typical. Merrill --part1_9d.fe3d797.27938bb8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My local club sometimes gets "booed" because we seem to take away more than
"our share" of prizes at contests, but my local club has included: Steve
Hustad, Bob Steinbrunn, John Valo, John Bernier, and until recently, Brent
Theobald, to name just those who's work has been nationally published; with
that kind of skill and talent to draw on, there are ten others who are just
as good or very close in quality, the sharing and comparing that go on in a
good club raises nearly everyone's work. As a related note, I remember going
to a contest years ago, and asking a modeler how he did something, only to be
told, in very unfriendly terms, that that was a secret! I have never had that
happen with a club member in any of the clubs I've belonged to over the
years, (and I include the List in that). So although some chapters may favor
local entrants, they are not typical.
Merrill --part1_9d.fe3d797.27938bb8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:14:23 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: --part1_b3.5bae425.27938ccf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shane my condolences on the latest "they made a kit I spent forever scratching!) Been there, both OT and ot. Merrill --part1_b3.5bae425.27938ccf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shane my condolences on the latest "they made a kit I spent forever
scratching!) Been there, both OT and ot.
Merrill

--part1_b3.5bae425.27938ccf_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:26:49 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: I finished a model! Message-ID: <200101142326.PAA13934@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:10:37 -0500 (EST), Steven Schofield wrote: > This time, it hasn't all ended in tears. I've finished the LVG C.VI kit and > it's posted on my pages. Looks great, Scho! For smaller numbers, you may want to track down the Micro/Super Scale WW1 German crosses and serial sheet. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:28:37 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: IPMS< and judging, prejudice, etc. Message-ID: <000b01c07e81$ba321820$7aea79a5@com> > My local club sometimes gets "booed" because we seem to take away more than > "our share" of prizes at contests, but my local club has included: Steve > Hustad, Bob Steinbrunn, John Valo, John Bernier, and until recently, Brent > Theobald, to name just those who's work has been nationally published Steinbrunn is one of my faves: his Spit IX article got me into alot of the aftermarket stuff. I'd love to meet him someday. As for Hustad.... Wow. DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:35:39 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: I finished a model! Message-ID: <003901c07e82$b5940980$94f2aec7@default> Very nice LVG Scho! I have some color photos of the Shuttleworth one and yours looks right on. Very courageous to use the elastic too. Jump right back on that horse and ride it ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:41:30 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: I finished a model! Message-ID: <000b01c07e83$86271e20$78464c0c@tom> Thanks for sharing your LVG its beautiful. Tom P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Sebring" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: I finished a model! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Schofield" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:10 PM > Subject: I finished a model! > > > > This time, it hasn't all ended in tears. I've finished the LVG C.VI kit > and > > it's posted on my pages. > > > > Euphoricilly yours, > > Scho > > http://www.ww1.org.uk > > > Thank you Steve for the beautiful workmanship...its trully awsome! Are you > sure that fus was not carved from real wood? ;-) Outstanding job. > > Best regards, > Dale > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:42:49 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS< and judging, prejudice, etc. Message-ID: <9e.eb62ab8.27939379@aol.com> --part1_9e.eb62ab8.27939379_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DB, you'd like Bob, he's one of the nicest and most modest people in modeling, although he's a ship modeler these days (his 1/192 model of the Fletcher class Destroyer USS Kidd has been in about every modeling mag in existence) For pure detail, it takes your breath away, (he brought it to the club meeting yesterday). Merrill --part1_9e.eb62ab8.27939379_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DB, you'd like Bob, he's one of the nicest and most modest people in
modeling, although he's a ship modeler these days (his 1/192 model of the
Fletcher class Destroyer USS Kidd has been in about every modeling mag in
existence) For pure detail, it takes your breath away, (he brought it to the
club meeting yesterday).
Merrill

--part1_9e.eb62ab8.27939379_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:14:58 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <000601c07ea9$baa4a8e0$933b3ccc@oemcomputer> The only fair thing to do in this case is to have both person's name on the entry form, then they can share the award if with a master painting the faces & someone else painting the rest it is still better than anyone else's. As a judge in several of our local shows, I have never seen this done, but there is no rule against the team method that I am aware of, and I think it would be better than having one person enter a figure with the face painted by someone else - the team concept should not be allowed unless all members of the team are identified on the entry form. Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems > > > Michael Kendix wrote: > > > I dodn't see what is wrong with "Team building" (snip) Not my cup of tea but > > I don't see the hurt in it. > > Ask the contestant who doesn't have an airbrush or a buddy who does his > painting for him. Then you might. > The examples I suggest to DB would be gross violations of fair competition. > My figures hardly ever take any awards, and the judges often tell me that it's > my flesh tones that keep me from winning. Bob Caruso is the local figure > 'master' and to have him paint "just the faces" would be cheating. The other > guys are also local 'masters' who usually walk away with the top honors in > their usual catagories. Getting an assist from these guys would give an unfair > advantage over those who didn't. > E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Keilcraft 1:72 Message-ID: <20010115021548.97597.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone here heard of a company called Keilcraft? For you microscale modelers, King Kit lists a Camel by this company. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:20:15 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: King Kit/ Skybirds Rumpler C.IV Message-ID: <20010115022015.9345.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> King Kit also lists a Skybirds Rumpler C.IV for 19.99 pounds. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:34:35 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: I swear Message-ID: <000901c07e9b$b447aa00$30f2aec7@default> I swear, (not cuss), that brass in the Eduard Schnider and Baby is some flimsy stuff. It's thinner than most brass, but it's also weaker. Tom's 1/72 stuff is pretty fine, but it's a lot stronger than what they used in the early Eduard 1/72 kits. I haven't seen a new Eduard 1/72 Profi-Pac so I don't know if it's the same brass. So far no disasters using it, but I have to work extra slow and careful. The Schnider to Tabloid conversion is coming along. I have the cowl modified, the opening in the upper wing is closed and the cockpit brass is assembled. Now to waller out the inside of the fuselage so it will fit. The battery on my dremel is shot so it gets a 90 sec run for a 2 hour charge. I guess I shouldn't complain, I only get 30 sec run on a 12 hr charge. ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:34:13 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Kingkit Again Message-ID: <20010115023413.10730.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> This place has many, many Ot kits for sale!! Unfortunately (spelling is correct Matt!) most are 1:72. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:42:47 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: King Kit/ Skybirds Rumpler C.IV Message-ID: <001301c07e9c$d99e44c0$30f2aec7@default> > King Kit also lists a Skybirds Rumpler C.IV for 19.99 pounds. I just had my Merlin Rumpler C.III / IV kit out for a fondle. This is a fine kit. very much better than the average Pegasus kit. Thin wings with some of the best rib tape detail I've ever seen in 1/72 and no need to sand and lose any. Rudders, noses and props for both versions. I got mine for about 8 bucks at a vendor's table. When I got it home I found someone had stuck a Toms German Interior brass set and an Aeroclub gun ring and Parabellum in it. If you see this one, don't let it get by. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:06:03 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS< and judging, prejudice, etc. Message-ID: Hey, Merrill - 41-zip??????? sure am glad I had an afternoon of PBS rebroadcasting "Jazz" to spend my time on. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:22:05 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I finished a model! Message-ID: <26.fddf633.2793c6dd@aol.com> In a message dated 1/14/01 4:08:18 PM EST, scho@ww1.org.uk writes: << This time, it hasn't all ended in tears. I've finished the LVG C.VI kit and it's posted on my pages. Euphoricilly yours, Scho >> Damn nice, Scho! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:36:53 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sopwith Bloopers Message-ID: <20010115043653.22310.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone planning to do the 1:48 Eduard Sopwith Baby for the Cook-up? Bet you didn't know it was manufactured at KINSTON on Thames. Check the kit decals. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:08:22 -0600 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: I finished a model! Message-ID: <001701c07eb1$2fbe84a0$b5441c18@austin.rr.com> Great job Scho! I love what you did with the fuselage wood effects. Smart model. Keep up the good work. Regards, Richard > In a message dated 1/14/01 4:08:18 PM EST, scho@ww1.org.uk writes: > > << This time, it hasn't all ended in tears. I've finished the LVG C.VI kit and > it's posted on my pages. > > Euphoricilly yours, > Scho >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:24:28 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport Triplanes was More Eduard. Message-ID: <00c001c07ec4$88578220$79857ed4@mesh> Todd, This subject is fraught with difficulties, so perhaps Squadron may be excused for their errors. The A/c with the apparent positive stagger stated by them to be based on a Nieuport 11 fuselage and numbered 1448 on the rudder would seem to be the first of the experimentals, actually based on a Nieuport 10 fuselage and numbered N1118. The middle wing is mounted well behind the top wing and slightly behind the lower wing, a drawing showing this configuration is in the FMP French book. The second A/c, for which I can trace no serial number, appears to be based on a Nieuport 17 fuselage and armed with an offset Hotchkiss machine gun. This version had a solid (no cut out) top wing. The third A/c, Serial Number N1388, possibly based on a Nieuport 21, but armed with a centrally mounted Vickers machine gun, had a top wing with a large semi-circular cut out in the top wing. I believe that this A/c was the one transferred to the RFC and re-numbered A'6686. (Note that the A/c numbered A5886 in the Squadron write up should have been an Avro 504a.) The final A/c, Serial number N1946, appears to have been based on a Nieuport 24bis fuselage, again with the cut out in the top wing. This A/c was transferred to the RNAS and re-numbered N521. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith >Tom's is working on a Nieuport Triplane conversion. >The Squadron "in action" booklet shows three different >Triplanes including one with a positive stagger. Have >you seen these? I know these pubs. are not very >accurate at times but pictures don't lie - too often. >The one with the positive stagger looks like it's >based on a Nie.21, another on a Nie. 17, and the third >on a Nie.23. Do you know if this is correct? I'd >like to do the one with the positive stagger. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:18:45 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Help with French Beige-3 Message-ID: Here is my entry for the french beige thread. What I thought about afterwards is that there is another french beige, the one used on 3-colour Nieuport camouflage. I have an old reference for that if you want it, but it's from the days when Ray Rimell trusted Rodney Gerrard, so it might not be worth anything. /Neil PS. Also I should add that I have taken printing ink shades into account, by not doing it! If the picture in the book/magazine looks OK when you are looking at it, then you can't do better than that. If you have a few colour profiles and the sum of them is about the same, then there is a consencus, and printing ink shades don't matter! > -----Original Message----- > From: Crawford Neil > Sent: den 10 januari 2001 15:44 > To: 'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu' > Subject: RE: Help with French Beige-2 > > > Sorry Jack I may have misunderstood you, I was thinking of CDL, > it's sort of beige. I looked up what I wrote to Jim Landon about this, > hope this helps: > > I looked up my paint references, they were Windsock no.3 and 4 -88 > (volume 4) and Windsock 1-99 (vol.15). The first are paint samples > that are now regarded as doubtful, and the second is an article by > Alberto Casirati about the Ni28, he gives Molak paint numbers. I > read both articles then did my own thing, I actually based my colours > on the FMP book French aircraft of WW1 - Davilla/Soltan, I reckoned > thats the latest trend in french colours, being the newest. Here's > my version: > > Methuen acc. to Windsock My paint mix > ------------------------ -------------- > Light Green 3E4, 2E4 Humbrol 86 > > Chestnut Brown 5E3, 5E4 , 6F5 1XRevell 383 (RAL8015) > 1XHumbrol 142 > > Dark Green 29F4, 2F4 Humbrol 86 + black > > Beige 4C5,5D5 (I don't believe this) 3XHumbrol 62 > 2XHumbrol 28 > 1XHumbrol 86 > > Black Black > > I don't usually write up my mixes, I did it this time to correct > the faults in WIndsock, I think their beige is much too light. > I'm not at all scientific or dogmatic about this, I just mix till > I think it looks right, and I hope you will do the same. > > FWIW/Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Gartner [mailto:diaphus@tampabay.rr.com] > Sent: den 10 januari 2001 15:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Help with French Beige > > > I'm not sure if this post made it through or not, but am trying again. > > Can anyone give me advice on the best ENAMEL for French > Beige? The best > match I've got in my paint stocks is Aeromaster Midstone, but > it is just a > touch yellower than the color reference I have. > > TIA > > Jack Gartner > diaphus@tampabay.rr.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:32:29 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 list (E-mail)" Subject: Derek Robinson Message-ID: We had a house-cleaning weekend, and while I was dusting the bookshelf I sort of drifted into looking at my Derek Robinson books. I noticed a curious thing when I read the blurb about the author on the inside cover. In Goshawk Squadron from 1973 it say's that he did his national service in the RAF, in Piece of Cake from 1983 it say's he was a fighter plotter, and in "War stories" he'd become a fighter pilot! Makes you wonder doesn't it? The dates are from my paperback editions. /Neil nb: Hawker Sea Fury "Furias" sorry! nu: Sopwith Tabloid 1914 Schneider racer, better now? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:01:25 -0500 From: "CharlesGosse" To: Subject: RE: Derek Robinson Message-ID: He has a new book out called "Hornet's Sting." I just started it, pretty good. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Crawford Neil Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Derek Robinson We had a house-cleaning weekend, and while I was dusting the bookshelf I sort of drifted into looking at my Derek Robinson books. I noticed a curious thing when I read the blurb about the author on the inside cover. In Goshawk Squadron from 1973 it say's that he did his national service in the RAF, in Piece of Cake from 1983 it say's he was a fighter plotter, and in "War stories" he'd become a fighter pilot! Makes you wonder doesn't it? The dates are from my paperback editions. /Neil nb: Hawker Sea Fury "Furias" sorry! nu: Sopwith Tabloid 1914 Schneider racer, better now? ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2976 **********************