WWI Digest 2974 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: French Naval book question by "Len Smith" 2) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 3) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by Ernest Thomas 4) Re: New images - judging systems by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 5) Re: Jenny by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 6) Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines by Todd Hayes 7) Re: New images - judging systems by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 8) Re: More Eduard by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 9) Re: New images - judging systems by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 10) (ot) movie recommendations by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 11) Re: Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines by "Hans Trauner" 12) Re: More Eduard by "Steven M.Perry" 13) Re: More Eduard by Witold Kozakiewicz 14) Re: long before OT so ot? -James Sadler by Steve Cox 15) Re: IPMS - my experiences was by "cameron rile" 16) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "Michael Kendix" 17) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "Michael Kendix" 18) Aviation History March 2001 - French 1 1/2 Strutter by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 19) Re: Jenny by BEN8800@aol.com 20) Re: Jenny by BEN8800@aol.com 21) Re: Jenny by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 22) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "DAVID BURKE" 23) ot fun and wildness by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: IPMS - my experiences was by "Neil Crawford" 25) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by Ernest Thomas 26) RE: New images by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 27) Re: AGO C.II by "Matt Bittner" 28) RE: More Eduard by "Matt Bittner" 29) Camel help by "Dale Sebring" 30) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by Ernest Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:28:46 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: French Naval book question Message-ID: <000201c07e02$a66d7700$99887ed4@mesh> Matt, Only one very poor and fuzzy photo of Serial No. 497, which was the 1915 prototype of the single seat fighter version. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: French Naval book question > For anyone who has the book on French Naval Aviation - are there any > pics/profiles on MoS Type G's? TIA! > > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:17:39 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: In a message dated 1/13/01 9:30:04 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << It was painted with rice krispies and had big seams. But it also had flashing lights - Gulf Coasties are impressed by shiny objects.... >> Left Coasties are, too. We have a guy out here, he's a friend of mine, works in Duh Biz as a set designer. He does interesting and creative dioramas, which are B-I-I-I-G and very impressive, so long as you use the "one foot rule". But if you get close and start examining details, well.... "Hollywood modelbuilding" is all about looking good at a distance of at least 1 foot, and for no more than a couple of seconds on-screen, and those habits die hard and are there to be seen in his work. So, he never ever wins a judge's award, but he often wins the Popular Choice award (did so with his big PT boat diorama at the 1998 IPMS Nats, some of you might have seen it). And as a result he is convinced that the judges "have it in for him," and that the people - bless their hearts! - are the true repository of knowledge. Even when my writing partner and I - who are both modelers who respect him who he respects - went over one of his dioramas for him to show him what the judges had seen, he didn't "get it," and refused the information. TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 02:23:13 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <3A6161F0.CCF355E6@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > If it was another family member who built 'em, then I might be inclined to > be lenient I guess that's the rationale that allowed that pod racer to be entered in Orlando. I suppose I could build a F-117 Stealth, let Meg spray it black and that could be her entry for the juniors catagory, right? > In my opinion, when it comes to figures (and let's face > it: many nowadays are pretty much needing minor cleanup and no assembly or > sculpting) it is the PAINTER who brings the figure to life. If they're so easy, why did she need someone else to build it? But in this instance, it wasn't a Verlinden figure, it was the Airfix Anne Bolyn, which even had a bit of re-sculpting on the face, done by this other modeler. Sorry, but there was no way we could legitimately let her enter that as her own work. What if I show up in Mobile with a figure that I did all the work on except the face, which I had done by Bob Caruso, or I could get Pat Donohue to build "just the cockpit" on my OT entry, and maybe a car that was done entirely by me, except for the paint job on the body, which was done by Howard Heno? Would that be acceptable? > For that to > have caused a whole family to quit the club shows incredible undersight on > behalf of the club leadership. No one in the club suggested they should quit. And I don't think compromising the clubs integrity is worth three members. > This might explain part of why the N.O. > local contests and Regional was not as successful as might have been hoped > for. Doubt it. I know the last local had a low turnout, and the regional wasn't as good as hoped, but in truth, the local contest usually averages over 400 entries. That's not too bad, iyam. > O.K., I'm puzzled. I didn't see that N.O. had any pre-painted models. Not this year. It said on the flyer, plain as day, that they would be disqualified. So none showed up. But they have in years past. > And > if you are talking about the red-ass I gave you about your Nie.17 - hey, > For the > record, I bitched to you and not at the contest. Cool yer jets Buckbo, it was just a friendly jab.(but it was real funny listening to your bitch) > once again I am Head Judge at the Mobile, AL/ > Battleship U.S.S. Alabama Contest on March 10. And I talked it over with Colleen and we'll most likely be there. You still charging the same rates for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place awards?(hee hee hee....) E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:20:25 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <3f.f420577.2792bb49@aol.com> In a message dated 1/13/01 9:30:22 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << OTOH, whenever I build models for people, I let them know that I may want to 'borrow them back' to enter in contests (if the work is good enough). >> I have done this, too, and the collectors are usually impressed that I like my work well enough to want to do that. However, the way the story was told here, it does sound like the guy commissioned the work and entered it under his name. I wouldn't even accept that from some of the Professional Hollywood Slimeballs I know! TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:54:10 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <40.6061c79.2792c332@aol.com> I have Ian Stairs 1984 Canuck drawing. Is that any use? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 01:03:24 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines Message-ID: <20010114090324.12693.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Slightly pre-OT. Now watching this magnificent movie. Makes me want a 1:48 Bleriot!! TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:03:27 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <81.57c8876.2792c55f@aol.com> Judging is not so clear cut as we should all wish it to be I'm afraid. I've been grabbed by the collar at the UK Nats and dragooned int judging the open scratchbuild competition myself. As it happens there were only two entries in that class, one of which was a vacform and should have been weeded out by an adjudicator before it even got to the table. Once on the table it becomes a subjective judgement. I've been disappointed not to get some kind of commendation now and again, we all know when we've done particularly well, but it won't stop me competing. On similar lines, I get grumpy whenever I read an OT review which starts "I've never built a WWI model before" Now that gets my goat every time cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:06:00 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <3a.f6ca6f9.2792c5f8@aol.com> << Has anyone noticed the screaming from down under. Or recalls the "How Many" thread in which my scratchbuilt W.4 is nearest to completion of all of my projects? >> And you'll never guess who has a Bristol Scout C ready for assembly. It could have been worse, I did consider doing it as a resin kit master cheers ] Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:09:21 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images - judging systems Message-ID: In a message dated 1/14/01 4:05:15 AM EST, LEONARDPeterL@aol.com writes: << On similar lines, I get grumpy whenever I read an OT review which starts "I've never built a WWI model before" Now that gets my goat every time >> You're right, Peter, but if it's followed (somewhere in the review) by words to the effect of "but boy, did I have a good time and I am looking forward to the next one," then you know we've hooked another one. And I do notice from the e-mail I get from people for my reviews, that when someone not known for doing OT kits does one and says it didn't kill them, it does have a positive effect on others among the Great Unwashed. TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:24:39 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: (ot) movie recommendations Message-ID: <73.a0d7e77.2792ca57@aol.com> Went out last night and saw "Traffic." It's as good as they say. And yes, the curmudgeonly curmudgeons on that island off the coast of Europe who will complain that " we did it first" are right. I got to see that great BBC miniseries "Traffik" ten years ago, and this American adaptation actually lives up to its predecessor in verismilitude and overall quality. But the movie that will knock your socks off - saw it Thursday (not much of a line due to the rain) on my Wanker's Guild card - is "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon," which went wide this weekend and may well show up in your local multiplex soon. It's an "art house" movie, (has subtitles, meaning you gotta be able to read), but man, oh man! It is F--cking Great!! Martial arts and *characters*. A real epic. And when you see the swordfight in the treetops, and realize it's the real actors - not doubles - up there having at it as those trees swing and sway, and it's not computer-enhanced....wooooow!! As a reviewer here said after the Oscar-qualifying run in LA (and it's going to get nominations, believe me), "it really is as good as they're saying it is." Also went tonight to the local film society in the great old movie palace and saw "The Grapes Of Wrath" (first time I ever saw it on the big screen), with some of the participants talking about it afterwards, including the actress who married the (late) screenwriter, who had a couple of really good "this is how he did it" stories. Damn, I really wish I had worked in this business 1938-58 instead of 1980-?. That movie hasn't lost one ounce of the power it had in 1940, and the story is still relevant - particularly here in California. If you've never seen it, get it - I think even Blockbuster probably carries one or two copies. TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:49:48 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines Message-ID: <008901c07e0f$55c8b500$dca172d4@custom-pc> >Slightly pre-OT. Now watching this magnificent movie. > Makes me want a 1:48 Bleriot!! > >TH It was available form Inpact/Pyro/Life-like. If I remember right, this series was one of the first 'merchandise' efforts, as Inpact labelled them 'Those magnificant Flying Machines'. The series included (all 1/48scale) the Bleriot ( could be OT!), a Martin Handasyde, a Deperdussin, a Bristol-Boxkite ( a little bit OT), and Avro Biplane and Triplane. The kit are high quality, I wish some OT kits would be done in this quality nowadays. First release was in 1968/69. Try ebay. Or take a look at http://www.kingkit.co.uk/cat_21.htm, there is a LifeLike version of the Triplane and http://www.kingkit.co.uk/cat_21.htm shows additionally a Deperdussin. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:37:21 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <000701c07e26$be44a280$c7f0aec7@default> Anyone want to bribe me to start a scratchbuild of your > favourite unkitted aircraft? > > Shane No. But I'll pay you to finish one, that way I'll be assured of getting the injection molded kit ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:58:25 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <3A61A271.7B9E32BA@bg.am.lodz.pl> Dale Sebring napisał(a): > > Yikes, Witold, please don't do this to me, I'm just an uneducated Idaho spud > :-) > Regards, > Dale Sorry, Looks like my e-mail client has joined two mails - one to group and one private. I hope this was last time. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:35:52 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: long before OT so ot? -James Sadler Message-ID: Thanks to all the learned responses to my question. MVJ asks: > where was this stone? What city. The stone is in the grounds of St Edmund Hall, at Oxford. At the time of James' death this was part of Queens College, but I don't know if the church was part of the college grounds at that time. If so James may have had something to do with the college. Looking at the dates he was no spring chicken when he attempted crossing the Irish Sea Steve nb something simple - Etrich Taube, from the Pegasus new year sale. =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:23:41 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was Message-ID: >Sorry if some of y'all had less than >positive experiences competing. It's not >like that everywhere. Since Micheal Kendix invited me to the local IPMS about a year ago I have been going pretty regular. I like seeing other peoples models as well as having a chat with Micheal and a couple of other folks. I show my models off but do them as display only, too embarrassed to go in a competition and would be even more embarrassed if something won anything lol. I like showing off what I have done even if my model stinks. I am usually proud of my effort because to me it may mean I squeezed it on between demanding work hours or some other causal or situative meaning above and beyond the models physical presence and look. When I showed off my yellow and black chequered EV, a bloke walked over 20 paces pretty fast just to have a look at it. So i got a kick out of that. Micheal on the other hand, his work is par excellence and he regularly cleans up in whatever category he enters. Thoroughly deserved too. Some very brilliant work turns up regularly to from other members. It is fun walking around and seeing what people have done. I dont participate in the popular/democratic judging either, but I do like seeing young kids walking around with pen and pencil in hand choosing which model they think is the best. One bloke at the local IPMS brought in his life collection of Spitfires and put them in a big circle. There was a little kid with paper and pencil in hand asking him "Which one is this!", then thinking hard and writing down his favourite choice. The actual judging is secondary to me, I do like to see excellence rewarded, but I *do* like that people bring their work in to display and show off, whether it is for competition or display. That is one of the major reasons I go, to see what is going to turn up. If there wasnt any competition I doubt there would be that many models on display. It is also nice to be able to stick my nose 10 cm's from a model and say to the nearest person, "How did they do that?". cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:35:48 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: >From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com >So, he never ever wins a judge's award, but he often wins >the Popular Choice award (did so with his big PT boat diorama at the >1998 >IPMS Nats, some of you might have seen it). And as a result he is > >convinced that the judges "have it in for him," and that the people - > >bless their hearts! - are the true repository of knowledge. All it took for me to understand the difference was to do a session of "On the Job Training" as a judge at the Region II competition. Once you do that, you can understand what IPMS judges look at. Naturally, I am devious enough now to enter certain models in certain competitions. For example, I know the Ilya would never win a judged competition because, as much as I and others may like it, it has 6 times as many mistakes as most kits I build. However, when it cames to popularity vote contests, the Ilya romped home every time. The Stark Fokker D.VII was a much better candidate for a judged competition because it was much easier to build. My real admiration is for those modelers who build complex subjects like a Gotha bomber or some such for a judged competiton, and beat out Camels, Fokker D.VII's etc. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:39:34 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: >From: Ernest Thomas >I guess that's the rationale that allowed that pod racer to be entered >in >Orlando. >I suppose I could build a F-117 Stealth, let Meg spray it black and >that >could be her entry for the juniors catagory, right? E.: I dodn't see what is wrong with "Team building" but in the example above you'd have to enter it in the adult section. As long as you're up front with the judges about who built it, they can make the call about the category etc. We have a couple of armour builders at our club, one of whom has no airbrush, so they build together. Not my cup of tea but I don't see the hurt in it. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:53:02 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Aviation History March 2001 - French 1 1/2 Strutter Message-ID: <003501c07e42$15240f80$1e2c57d8@unionrai> Interesting shot of a French 1 1/2 Strutter in the new Aviation History, Escadrille Sop. 43 with a horse shoe in the 'downward' position (whereas the luck would 'run-out'). A/C appears to be CDL with natural finished metal cowling and side panels. I don't recall seeing this photo in any books; nice to see new shots still surfacing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:54:22 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <59.57cee70.279325ae@aol.com> --part1_59.57cee70.279325ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/01 3:56:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, LEONARDPeterL@aol.com writes: > I have Ian Stairs 1984 Canuck drawing. Is that any use? > Only if it shows a wooden rudder that I am interested in. If it is the tubular metal rudder then I don't need it. Thanks.. Ben --part1_59.57cee70.279325ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/01 3:56:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LEONARDPeterL@aol.com writes:


I have Ian Stairs 1984 Canuck drawing. Is that any use?


Only if it shows a wooden rudder that I am interested in. If it is the
tubular metal rudder then I don't need it. Thanks..

Ben --part1_59.57cee70.279325ae_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:54:23 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <2f.f91bddc.279325af@aol.com> --part1_2f.f91bddc.279325af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/14/01 1:38:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, cgavin@ipa.net=20 writes: > Can't find my copy of Scale Aircraft Drawing > - Volume One to see if that is any help, but will keeping looking. - Craig > Gavin =DD >=20 > I have that Volume and it does show the wooden rudder with metal trailing=20 > edge, but as I said it does not specifically give the dimensions of the=20 > ribs and diagonals. The leading edge (wood) and trailing edge (metal) are=20 > both dimensiioned on Nieto's plan. >=20 >=20 --part1_2f.f91bddc.279325af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/14/0= 1 1:38:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, cgavin@ipa.net=20
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 --part1_2f.f91bddc.279325af_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:33:24 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: You've lost me now. Is it the Nieto drawing you need? If so I have it. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:39:40 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <003701c07e48$f2da1ee0$daec79a5@com> > > DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > If it was another family member who built 'em, then I might be inclined to > > be lenient > > I guess that's the rationale that allowed that pod racer to be entered in > Orlando. > I suppose I could build a F-117 Stealth, let Meg spray it black and that could > be her entry for the juniors catagory, right? Good point, but 'Daddy's Hand' is usually found in junior categories - but I see your point. > > > In my opinion, when it comes to figures (and let's face > > it: many nowadays are pretty much needing minor cleanup and no assembly or > > sculpting) it is the PAINTER who brings the figure to life. > > If they're so easy, why did she need someone else to build it? But in this > instance, it wasn't a Verlinden figure, it was the Airfix Anne Bolyn, which even > had a bit of re-sculpting on the face, done by this other modeler. In that case, I would agree with you. > What if I show up in Mobile with a figure that I did all the work on except the > face, which I had done by Bob Caruso, or I could get Pat Donohue to build "just > the cockpit" on my OT entry, and maybe a car that was done entirely by me, > except for the paint job on the body, which was done by Howard Heno? Would that > be acceptable? For the laughter value, for the interest in seeing what Donahue could do on an OT subject (he really is quite good!) and to see you do a car (I would imagine it would be the 'Red Baron re-release or one of them 'Hoppin' Low Riders' kits! ;-) > > O.K., I'm puzzled. I didn't see that N.O. had any pre-painted models. > > Not this year. It said on the flyer, plain as day, that they would be > disqualified. So none showed up. But they have in years past. Yeah. I gotta call one of our guys and tell him to put that in our flyer too - even juniors shouldn't get away with that except that some have re-painted those kits. I don't mind that. > > Cool yer jets Buckbo, it was just a friendly jab.(but it was real funny > listening to your bitch) Pardon my sensitivity - my Preparation H must be losing its potency. once again I am Head Judge at the Mobile, AL/ > > Battleship U.S.S. Alabama Contest on March 10. > > And I talked it over with Colleen and we'll most likely be there. You still > charging the same rates for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place awards?(hee hee hee....) You haven't got a chance unless it's Navy (tee hee!) DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:50:34 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: ot fun and wildness Message-ID: <004301c07e4a$1efdc0c0$daec79a5@com> Kids, I picked up at the local record store 'Legends of the 20th Century: Peter Sellers'. Right, THE Peter Sellers (Inspector Clouseau, Dr. Strangelove/Grp.Cpt. Mandrake, Fu Manch, George Grand, multi-etc.). In a world of crude and crass humor, disillusionment, and woe - there are few that can make me laugh like this (the 'Auntie Rotter' sketch is pure Gorey and Addams). If you buy this disc, put your models down FIRST. Decompress from that SPAD rigging stress. Enjoy! Also, there are some Goons CD's available. I know - I've ordered them. I need something to help me unpack. Later! DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:26:38 +0100 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was Message-ID: <000a01c07e4f$27864140$cce597d4@default> First sorry about the HTML in my last posts, how do I shut that off forever? I'm sorry I just don't believe in the "old buddy syndrome". Modellers and especially judges aren't like that, certainly not deliberately. What I think can happen is that when you know who has built a model, and that person is someone you respect, that model has a small advantage over the model beside it. But good judges should keep that in mind, and I think they do. It's a good reason to invite good modellers in as guest judges. As to the popular vote thing I am sorry but it doesn't work very well in practice. /Neil Michael wrote. This "Old buddy" problem is one reason I like "popular vote" as a means to decide a winner. Democracy may not provide the most "expert" decision but it's harder to bribe everyone at a meeting than a couple of judges. BTW, the national level judges I know wouldn't do that. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:34:40 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <3A61E32D.281F6806@bellsouth.net> Michael Kendix wrote: > I dodn't see what is wrong with "Team building" (snip) Not my cup of tea but > I don't see the hurt in it. Ask the contestant who doesn't have an airbrush or a buddy who does his painting for him. Then you might. The examples I suggest to DB would be gross violations of fair competition. My figures hardly ever take any awards, and the judges often tell me that it's my flesh tones that keep me from winning. Bob Caruso is the local figure 'master' and to have him paint "just the faces" would be cheating. The other guys are also local 'masters' who usually walk away with the top honors in their usual catagories. Getting an assist from these guys would give an unfair advantage over those who didn't. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:35:17 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: New images Message-ID: > This model in local model contest in December took "the worst" 4th > place. First won hasegawa P-47, before F-16 (italeri) and Bf-109G > (hasegawa). > Only I had OT models in 1/48 (second was Nieuport 25 > conversion - 5th place). I was there, and belive me I was seriously disappointed with judges' decisions. Winning P-47 was not bad with open Aires or Verlinden engine mounted, but (IMO) painting and finnishing had ruined the job. Claiming that the F-16 and Bf 109G were better than Witek's D.H.2 was simply ridiculous. I wish I would be able to model my little pusher as good as Witek. It was damn good. Nieuport 25 was also excellent, but no one was even able to appreciate how good Witek had combined Eduard kit, Tom's conversion resin, and resin copy of Blue Max engine cowling. I wonder if it would be possible to arrange a sort of wwi contest somewhere in Poland or in Czechia. It would secure proper judging of OT subjects. Tomasz -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A----------------------- Zwyciezcy i przegrani, nadzieje, sukcesy, porazki i kiksy. INTERIA.PL prezentuje Pierwszy Internetowy Plebiscyt Sportowy Zaglosuj i wygraj! http://sport.interia.pl/id/stat/plebiscyt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:39:02 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: AGO C.II Message-ID: <200101141738.JAA23066@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:38:54 -0500 (EST), Todd Hayes wrote: > But unfortunately that's in 1:72!! Hey Todd! You must have mistyped because I see the letters "u" and "n" in front of fortunately. Unfortunately spell checkers don't catch this kind of thing. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:40:23 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: More Eduard Message-ID: <200101141740.JAA26139@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 01:43:14 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > You got high heels and a neoprene bikini ? Arghhhhhh!!!! :-[}~~~~ Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:48:14 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Camel help Message-ID: <001f01c07e52$2c4c7480$78b58dd0@main> Anyone have ideas on how to fix-up, correct etc. the Revell 1/72 camel kit? TIA Best to all, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:54:27 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <3A61E7D2.4AC429C9@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > for the interest in seeing what Donahue could do on > an OT subject (he really is quite good!) Just wait. I know for a fact that Pat has an Eduard D-V, a set of Stropp decals, and a Mikesh book. One of these days, he's gonna show us how OT models are really supposed to look. > and to see you do a car (I would > imagine it would be the 'Red Baron re-release or one of them 'Hoppin' Low > Riders' kits! ;-) You will one day. And it might even be the Red Baron. > You haven't got a chance unless it's Navy (tee hee!) No prob, I'll just do my Pup and an RNAS bird! :-p E. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2974 **********************