WWI Digest 2972 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Hi-Tech Roland D.II -first impressions and a cry for colour-info! by "David Calhoun" 2) Re: More Eduard by "David Calhoun" 3) Bob's Dolphin and Sopwith Cook-up by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 4) Re: More Eduard by Todd Hayes 5) Re: More Eduard by Todd Hayes 6) Re: Hi-Tech Roland D.II -first impressions and a cry for colour-info! by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 7) Re: More Eduard by Todd Hayes 8) by Todd Hayes 9) IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "Gaston Graf" 10) Re: New images - judging systems by "Michael Kendix" 11) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "Michael Kendix" 12) RE: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by Shane Weier 13) RE: More Eduard by Shane Weier 14) Jenny by BEN8800@aol.com 15) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "Matt Bittner" 16) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "Michael Kendix" 17) Re: New images - judging systems by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 18) Re: More Eduard by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 19) Modelbud Order Status by Brent & Tina Theobald 20) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "DAVID BURKE" 21) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by "DAVID BURKE" 22) Re: New images - judging systems by "DAVID BURKE" 23) List Prayers Answered by "DAVID BURKE" 24) RE: Jenny by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 25) Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems by Ernest Thomas 26) Re: More Eduard by Ernest Thomas 27) Re: More Eduard by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 28) Re: New images - judging systems by "TOM PLESHA" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:12:35 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Hi-Tech Roland D.II -first impressions and a cry for colour-info! Message-ID: <008901c07dbe$b42ed440$9c093ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Diego, could you please send me the interior scans as well? Thanks, Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Hi-Tech Roland D.II -first impressions and a cry for colour-info! > Diego, > > Please pretty please could you include me on a scan of the Roland cutaway. > Accurate cockpit information is all that is holding me up on starting my > Hi-Tech Roland. Cockpit details are important for us blind balloon scalers. > > Alvie > > Hans Trauner wrote: > > > Diego was kind enough to scan some pages of (b&w) schemes, I > > >chose to do Feiseler's machine. He also sent a scan of a cutaway, which > > was > > >quite nice for interior details. > > > > > > Diego and Gabe, > > ahemmm.... may I ask to share the scans?? I would be interested in > > Fieseler's scheme, also. > > Thanks, thanks! > > > > Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:15:29 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <009e01c07dbf$1b605ee0$9c093ccc@oemcomputer> I think they are doing a Nieuport 21 based on the 17 kit - same wing & fuselage, 80hp LeRhone & N.11 cowling. Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Hayes" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: Re: More Eduard > Or the Nieuport 21 from the 11 molds. > > Todd > > --- Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > > Todd Hayes napisa³(a): > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > I'm hoping Eduard will do a Nieuport 16 too. > > > Shouldn't be too hard to adapt the Nie.11 molds. > > > > They will. Just like Nie.23 with Nie.17 > > -- > > Witold Kozakiewicz > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:20:56 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Bob's Dolphin and Sopwith Cook-up Message-ID: <007b01c07da6$b9dbb240$269259d8@unionrai> Bob, excellent job on the BM Dolphin in Modeling Madness. I got mine today (with the Albatros DIII OEF) from Chris. Been wanting both and his 25% sale pushed me over the edge. As to the Sopwith Cook-up put me down for the Dolphin not sure as to what squadron or markings yet but that's the fun in flipping through the Profiles and Datafile pages looking (isn't it!). Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <20010113211527.87700.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Matt, My mistake. Looks like Eduard is Nieuport happy- at least in 1:48. Tom's is working on a Nieuport Triplane conversion too. Now for the 2-seaters!! Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:20:10 -0500 (EST), Todd Hayes > wrote: > > > Or the Nieuport 21 from the 11 molds. > > Wrong!!! The Nie.21 was a Nie.17 with a Nie.11 > engine and cowl. > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <20010113211635.94227.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Yep, Matt corrected me. Todd --- David Calhoun wrote: > I think they are doing a Nieuport 21 based on the 17 > kit - same wing & > fuselage, 80hp LeRhone & N.11 cowling. > Dave Calhoun > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Hayes" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: More Eduard > > > > Or the Nieuport 21 from the 11 molds. > > > > Todd > > > > --- Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > > > Todd Hayes napisa³(a): > > > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > > > I'm hoping Eduard will do a Nieuport 16 too. > > > > Shouldn't be too hard to adapt the Nie.11 > molds. > > > > > > They will. Just like Nie.23 with Nie.17 > > > -- > > > Witold Kozakiewicz > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:22:45 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hi-Tech Roland D.II -first impressions and a cry for colour-info! Message-ID: I think Diego is unsubbed for a couple of weeks while on holiday cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <20010113212546.61288.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Dave and Matt, Tom's is working on a Nieuport Triplane conversion. The Squadron "in action" booklet shows three different Triplanes including one with a positive stagger. Have you seen these? I know these pubs. are not very accurate at times but pictures don't lie - too often. The one with the positive stagger looks like it's based on a Nie.21, another on a Nie. 17, and the third on a Nie.23. Do you know if this is correct? I'd like to do the one with the positive stagger. Todd --- David Calhoun wrote: > I think they are doing a Nieuport 21 based on the 17 > kit - same wing & > fuselage, 80hp LeRhone & N.11 cowling. > Dave Calhoun > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Hayes" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: More Eduard > > > > Or the Nieuport 21 from the 11 molds. > > > > Todd > > > > --- Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > > > Todd Hayes napisa³(a): > > > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > > > I'm hoping Eduard will do a Nieuport 16 too. > > > > Shouldn't be too hard to adapt the Nie.11 > molds. > > > > > > They will. Just like Nie.23 with Nie.17 > > > -- > > > Witold Kozakiewicz > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:31:29 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Message-ID: <20010113213129.88776.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Attention Camel fans and Cook-up Participants, Juan at Sopwith wrote me that he has the 1:48 Hi-Tech Camel trainer conversion in stock. I'm not sure how many, but the catalog price is $6.95. Item # HIT 148-051. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:52:39 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: I only can agree to Tom. Years ago I too participated in the IPMS Flanders contest in Belgium. I entered my 120mm British Paratrooper figure I wrote an article about for the march edition of the IM 2000. I did not have a chance against models which was much worse painted than mine. I do not claim to be the ultimate figure painting expert but I know my skills and I know when judging becomes unfair. Observing judging of other models and scales I only found the confirmation that most judging was unfair. The worst models got away with the prices and it was always the same persons who carried away the prices. From that day on I never participated in a contest anymore. Many judges of models seem to be bribed... The same is counting for animal breeding contests, btw. The breeder where we got our Black Labrador Retriever from once told me that you will not have a chance to carry away prices for your dogs if a judge doesn't like you, for whatever reason and no matter how good the dogs are. Strange, ain't it!? The humans are an ugly breed which is mostly influenced by envy and selfishness in this or the other way. To often I made that experience in my life to believe in the contrary. But still it makes me happy whenever I meet people who are not of that kind. 'nuff said Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > TOM PLESHA > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:43 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: New images - judging systems > > > Last year I entered my first and last model contest. The show > was sponsoed > by an IPSM club. I entered 2 aircraft. 1 was fairly well detailed: moved > control surfaces, scratch built items: fully detailed cockpit, radiators, > landing gear, etc. the 2cnd wasn't quite as detailed. > An aquaintence hired a club member to build for him 5 models, all of which > were entered. > Needless to say they were the winners. My wife and I happened to observe > the judging along with other non-club members. They only examined those 5 > models. > Enough said. > Build for your enjoyment. > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:24:07 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images - judging systems Message-ID: >From: "TOM PLESHA" >Last year I entered my first and last model contest. The show was > >sponsoed by an IPSM club. I entered 2 aircraft ... >An aquaintence hired a club member to build for him 5 models, all of >which >were entered. Needless to say they were the winners. My wife >and I >happened to observe the judging along with other non-club >members. They >only examined those 5 models. Sad case for sure but don't let this put you off. If you like competing just try a different place. >Enough said. Build for your enjoyment. This is the main thing to recognize. If it wins a competition, fine. the main point of a competition is that it takes place at some meeting (Regional, national) so that you can see other folks' builds and talk to them and generally socialize. If I went just for the competiton, I'd be disappointed most times. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:27:38 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: This "Old buddy" problem is one reason I like "popular vote" as a means to decide a winner. Democracy may not provide the most "expert" decision but it's harder to bribe everyone at a meeting than a couple of judges. BTW, the national level judges I know wouldn't do that. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:33:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A17@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Gaston, > Many judges of models seem to be bribed... This is a sweeping statement which in the experience of any hundreds, probably thousands, of modellers around the world is demonstrably untrue. Furthermore, it crudely maligns hundreds of honest people who take on a fairly thankless task with neither any gain nor any expectation of thanks, simply to help forward their hobby > The humans are an ugly breed which is mostly influenced by envy and > selfishness in this or the other way. I cannot but agree with this statement after reading your post. However, I suspect I'm thinking of a different person than you. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:49:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: More Eduard Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A18@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Graham in reply to Todd > > > > This is GREAT news!!! :-( Has anyone noticed the screaming from down under. Or recalls the "How Many" thread in which my scratchbuilt W.4 is nearest to completion of all of my projects? Given the way I seem to attract new injection moulds I may make a business out of this. Anyone want to bribe me to start a scratchbuild of your favourite unkitted aircraft? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:52:18 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Jenny Message-ID: --part1_f4.67ff351.27925242_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boy, am I disappointed. You guys helped a lot with the Jenny engine, but I have not received a single response regarding details of a Jenny wooden rudder. Are you all just as much in the fog as I am? Ben --part1_f4.67ff351.27925242_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boy, am I disappointed. You guys helped a lot with the Jenny engine, but I
have not received a single response regarding details of a Jenny wooden
rudder. Are you all just as much in the fog as I am?

Ben --part1_f4.67ff351.27925242_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:07:13 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <200101140107.RAA05318@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:31:58 -0500 (EST), Michael Kendix wrote: > This "Old buddy" problem is one reason I like "popular vote" as a means to > decide a winner. Democracy may not provide the most "expert" decision but > it's harder to bribe everyone at a meeting than a couple of judges. BTW, > the national level judges I know wouldn't do that. The problem with popular vote is that not always the best model wins. It's just what everyone "likes", regardless of "problems". My experience with popular vote is the bigger the better - again, regardless of finish. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 01:24:08 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" > >The problem with popular vote is that not always the best model wins. >It's just what everyone "likes", regardless of "problems". My >experience with popular vote is the bigger the better - again, >regardless of finish. True, true. That is why at our monthly competitions we have some categories judged and some by popular votes:). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:25:46 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <11.e68873c.27925a1a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/13/01 3:41:11 PM EST, APPMAN@worldnet.att.net writes: << An aquaintence hired a club member to build for him 5 models, all of which were entered. >> If your "acquaintance" did this, he should become your "ex-acquaintance" quickly, on the grounds you don't need to keep slimeballs as acquaintances or friends. This is against every rule I have ever heard for a contest - the models are supposed to be the work of the person who enters them. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:33:31 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <18.764f3d7.27925beb@aol.com> In a message dated 1/13/01 6:50:57 PM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Has anyone noticed the screaming from down under. Or recalls the "How Many" thread in which my scratchbuilt W.4 is nearest to completion of all of my projects? >> *Someone* had to be sacrificed to the modeling gods, Shane! We are all thankful and deeply in your debt for so volunteering. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:07:57 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Modelbud Order Status Message-ID: <3A6109FD.47DA867B@airmail.net> Here are the people who ordered kits and the kits they ordered. Please check that the information is correct. If not let me know. I'll continue to accept orders thru Tuesday evening. Later! Brent Brent Theobald 1 #B28 Fredrichshafen FF-33H @ $23 1 #C03 Fredrichshafen G IIIa @ $30 1 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 Craig Gavin 1 #A35 Salmson 2.A2 @ $18.00 1 #B28 Friedrichshafen FF-33H @ $23.00 Matt Bittner 1 #A26 Ansaldo SVA @ $18.00 Mike Dicianna 1 #C03 Friedrichshafen G.III @ $30.00 Courtney Allen 1 #A14 Albatros BIIa @ $18 1 #A22 Caproni Ca.100 @ $18 1 #A35 Salmson 2A2 @ $18 1 #B29 Fredrichshafen FF-33L @ $23 1 #E02 Latham 43 HB3 @ $60 John Huggins 1 #C03 Fredrichshafen G IIIa @ $30 1 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 Mike Kavanaugh 1#B27 Friedrichshafen FF-33E @ $23.00 1 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 Ronald Heffner 1 #C04 Fredrichshafen G III @ $30 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:15:21 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <001d01c07dd1$4957c6a0$85e779a5@com> > > The humans are an ugly breed which is mostly influenced by envy and > > selfishness in this or the other way. > > I cannot but agree with this statement after reading your post. However, I > suspect I'm thinking of a different person than you. > > Shane > Who, me? DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:18:28 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <001e01c07dd1$4a213120$85e779a5@com> > > The problem with popular vote is that not always the best model wins. > It's just what everyone "likes", regardless of "problems". My > experience with popular vote is the bigger the better - again, > regardless of finish. > > > Matt Bittner > Bittner hits the nail and drives the sucker right through the ground! At the Blue Angels show, my immaculately-finished BA F-18 was beaten by an ugly C-130. It was painted with rice krispies and had big seams. But it also had flashing lights - Gulf Coasties are impressed by shiny objects.... DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:25:29 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <001f01c07dd1$4b6f5c00$85e779a5@com> > << An aquaintence hired a club member to build for him 5 models, all of which > were entered. >> > > If your "acquaintance" did this, he should become your "ex-acquaintance" > quickly, on the grounds you don't need to keep slimeballs as acquaintances or > friends. This is against every rule I have ever heard for a contest - the > models are supposed to be the work of the person who enters them. > > Tom Cleaver Agreed, but were the models entered as the work of the 'acquaintance', or as the work of the modeler? If I caught something like that going on, I'd embarrass the offender publicly by either yelling the news on the top of my lungs or getting on the P.A. system. OTOH, whenever I build models for people, I let them know that I may want to 'borrow them back' to enter in contests (if the work is good enough). DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:12:15 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: List Prayers Answered Message-ID: <000901c07dd7$cd734c60$59e779a5@com> Hi Guys, I got the house (3 BR, yard, deck, the whole tamale!). Now to move this crap... DB ...referring to the ot stuff, of course! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:27:51 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: RE: Jenny Message-ID: Ben, That is a stumper--like a question on Final Jeopardy. My meager references do not show anything other than the tubular frame rudder. I have a reprint of the JN4 assembly manual, and it doesn't show anything either. I did find a reference to a book on some photocopies of JN4 framework called "The Jenny Was No Lady", no author or publisher. Don't know if it would contain anything relevent should you be able to scrounge up a copy, but you never know. Sorry I can't help you out. Any way to prvide some type of heavy metal wire and a jig so the modeler could form his own rudder? Paul -----Original Message----- From: BEN8800@aol.com Boy, am I disappointed. You guys helped a lot with the Jenny engine, but I have not received a single response regarding details of a Jenny wooden rudder. Are you all just as much in the fog as I am? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:46:35 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - my experiences was RE: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <3A612119.B55B3D8F@bellsouth.net> Matt Bittner wrote: > My > experience with popular vote is the bigger the better - again, > regardless of finish. Yep, we have a peoples choice award at the local contest, and it often goes to the biggest model. However, I have to say, at most of the contest I've entered here in NO and the surrounding area, I really wouldn't say that there's a lot of 'good old boy-ness' going on. There's always a couple people who are grumbling, like the guy who built "an aircraft carrier" on top of his pirouge(pron; pee-rog), but I think the NO club puts on a decent contest with respect to fair judging. I think one reason it may seem like it's only the guys in the sponsoring club who are getting all the awards is because it's the guys in the sponsoring club who are the most active modelers in a geographic area, and therefore have the most entries. And active club members are the people who have access to the latest tools, techniques, and accessories, while having the work of others for comparison to help rate themselves and try to be better. As opposed to some guy who models in a vacume, and has never heard of putty or flexi-files, much less pe and aftermarket decals. His models may be of less than gold standard, but only because he's never seen such a model and doesn't know what's possible. As for entering models that you didn't build, I assumed that would have been a great big no-no anywhere. It is here. We had a whole family quit the club because the mom was having another club member assemble figures that she she would then paint, and she got mad when her figures were disqualified from competition. We also don't allow any of these 'pre-painted' models. Of course, DB might disagree wioth me about the local club after the last contest. Sorry if some of y'all had less than positive experiences competing. It's not like that everywhere. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:11:43 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <3A6126FE.80D4550B@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Anyone want to bribe me to start a scratchbuild of your > favourite unkitted aircraft? PITTS! PITTS! PITTS!(c'mon Lorna, join in) PITTS! PITTS!..... E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:37:44 -0800 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Eduard Message-ID: <3A623848.86709149@tac.com.au> Ernest Thomas wrote: > > Shane Weier wrote: > > > Anyone want to bribe me to start a scratchbuild of your > > favourite unkitted aircraft? > > PITTS! PITTS! PITTS!(c'mon Lorna, join in) PITTS! PITTS!..... > E. But there's a Pitts in the proper scale ;-þ Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:42:03 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: New images - judging systems Message-ID: <002a01c07de4$58542960$5d414c0c@tom> In one respect I am pleased to see that the type of show experience that I experienced was not solitary. On the other hand I am sorry that others had similar experiences. The word aquaintence was specific, that is different then friend or peer. Like I stated earilier, build to please yourself and enjoy when others appreciate your efforts as you do theirs. Tom P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: Re: New images - judging systems > > > > > > << An aquaintence hired a club member to build for him 5 models, all of > which > > were entered. >> > > > > If your "acquaintance" did this, he should become your "ex-acquaintance" > > quickly, on the grounds you don't need to keep slimeballs as acquaintances > or > > friends. This is against every rule I have ever heard for a contest - the > > models are supposed to be the work of the person who enters them. > > > > Tom Cleaver > > Agreed, but were the models entered as the work of the 'acquaintance', or as > the work of the modeler? > > If I caught something like that going on, I'd embarrass the offender > publicly by either yelling the news on the top of my lungs or getting on the > P.A. system. OTOH, whenever I build models for people, I let them know that > I may want to 'borrow them back' to enter in contests (if the work is good > enough). > > > DB > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2972 **********************