WWI Digest 2969

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) More Eduard
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  2) RE: New images
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  3) RE: Listees in Great Scale Modeling 2001
	by Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
  4) RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness
	by Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
  5) Re: Stitching
	by "Dale Sebring" <alleluja@ida.net>
  6) French Naval book question
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  7) RE: New images - judging systems
	by "Ray Boorman" <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
  8) RE: New images - judging systems
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  9) RE: Stitching
	by "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
 10) Several Web Updates
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 11) Lots of vacs
	by "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
 12) RE: WW1 list OT Places of interest guide 
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
 13) RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness
	by "Graham Hunter" <ghunter@pangea.ca>
 14) Re: RB3D
	by "Dale Sebring" <alleluja@ida.net>
 15) RE: Red Baron 3D
	by "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
 16) 
	by "Diego Fernetti" <lordfernettix@hotmail.com>
 17) RE: WW1 list OT Places of interest guide
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
 18) Re: Jenny JN-4D Rudder
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 19) Re: New images - judging systems
	by TomTheAeronut
 20) Re: Several Web Updates
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 21) Re: Jenny JN-4D Rudder
	by BEN8800@aol.com
 22) Re: More Eduard
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
 23) RE: WW1 list OT Places of interest guide 
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
 24) RE: More Eduard
	by "Graham Hunter" <ghunter@pangea.ca>
 25) RE: More Eduard
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 26) Re: OT movie news
	by "Brad & Merville" <BigglesRFC@globalserve.net>

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:36:43 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: More Eduard
Message-ID: <200101121436.GAA20163@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Gee, I should have scrolled down...

Looks like Gavia is going to release a Bristol Scout C in Balloon Scale
(that's 1/48th).  Definitely great news for you Duplo Builders!

Off topic, but also important, is Gavia has announced an La-7 in
Balloon as well.  Now if we could get one in 1/72nd...


Matt Bittner



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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:41:40 +0100
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: New images
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A017D08C4@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

Michael wrote:
> 
> The U.S. system uses some variant of what you term the 
> "complicated" system, 
> with "Model basics" as the main criteria, and the model with 
> the fewest 
> mistakes wins.  BTW, I am not advocating that method one way 
> or the other.  
> Degree of difficulty is not taken into account as a primary 
> factor, so you 
> tend to see a lot of Fokker D.VII's, Fokker DDr.1's, Fokker 
> D.VIII/E.V's in 
> the biplane category.  Regardless, my friends who attended 
> the English 
> Nationals were still mystified, despite the apparent move 
> towards the US 
> IPMS-type method of judging.


Degree of difficulty is one of my moot points, as a scratch-builder I 
naturally think its important. Another thing they don't take into account
in Sweden is historical correctness. The reason for this is that one judge
knows everything about SPADs, but nothing about Camels so will see all the
mistakes on the SPAD, but miss them all on the Camel. My opinion is that 
by the time you have discounted these two "trivial" items, then just judging
basic handwork and painting/weathering is quite pointless, and equally 
impossible to do fairly. So you might just as well do it in the
old-fashioned
way, it's neither better or worse, but much quicker!

As to the UK-Nationals, it was just wonderful to be there, I had the time
of my life, both times.

> 
> >You shouldn't start me on this subject, I'm famous on the swedish 
> > >web-forum, for boring the pants off anyone prepared to listen!
> 
> Is it in Swedish?  If so, I'm sunk, along with the other 
> 99.623% of the 
> World's population:).

Yes it's in swedish, luckily! Last week somone counted my posts on
this subject, I had done twice as many as everyone else, doesn't help
though, nobody listens to me anyway;-)


> 
> Michael
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> 

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:44:43 -0600
From: Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Listees in Great Scale Modeling 2001
Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC20@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com>

Howdy!

Thanks for noticing. I think kudos are in order for the list too. That kit
in the magazine is decorated with some Blue Rider decals. The decals were
given to me by a former list member. Isn't this list great?

Unfortunately about the time he sent those to me he met the girl of his
dreams (Hey E., you might say he met his very own Katrina.) and fell madly
in love. Sadly he had no more time for modeling. It's a shame because he had
a real nice Fokker and Il'ya started.

Perhaps we'll hear from him again when the shine wears off that girl.

Later!

Brent
-----Original Message-----
From: pugs99@att.net [mailto:pugs99@att.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:07 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Listees in Great Scale Modeling 2001


Hi Folks,
Kudos to our own Brent Theobald and Matt Bittner for 
their builds in FSM's annual.  Realy nice work guys!!!

Regards,
John Impenna

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:47:23 -0600
From: Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness
Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC21@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com>

Hey Ernie,

You know how we're always bugging each other to post some pics...

Katrina would probably freak if she knew a bunch of modeling geeks were
discussing her on the web. 

Does your wife sample this list from time to time like mine does?

Later!

Brent
-----Original Message-----
Which all has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that Katrina is MOVING
OUT
OF MY APARTMENT BUILDING! You guys just don't know.
This girl is....
YOW!,

and I do mean,
YOW!

And while it would be no consolation at all after losing Kat, it wouldn't
bother me to have DB as a tenant. Remember, we're talking French Quarter
here.
I deal with REAL nuts. DB would be a welcome alternative.

And to get back OT, I've written up a statement explaining us(yeah right!)
to
be sent to that teacher lady in case any parents are interested. Should I
post
it to the list for all to see? And if I do, that doesn't mean I'm asking for
opinions or edititing help. You'll live up to my standards,
or else!
:-)
E.


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:34:21 -0700
From: "Dale Sebring" <alleluja@ida.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Stitching
Message-ID: <002101c07cad$23623900$2fb58dd0@main>


----- Original Message -----
From: "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 7:40 AM
Subject: Stitching


> Hi-
> Anyone know of any sketches, etc. of the various stitching patterns used
for
> British, German, etc. aircraft, that are available.
> Thanks
> Tom P

Hi Tom, try Archers @ www.mindspring.com
Regards,
Dale


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:43:58 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: French Naval book question
Message-ID: <200101121543.HAA23956@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

For anyone who has the book on French Naval Aviation - are there any
pics/profiles on MoS Type G's?  TIA!


Matt Bittner



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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:55:47 -0800
From: "Ray Boorman" <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: New images - judging systems
Message-ID: <NEBBJGMJOLHELAKFFMJFGEKGCEAA.Ray_Boorman@telus.net>

Neil,
	I hate to defend a point here, but the historical accuracy not being as
important is a plus to some extent. The reasoning behind this is too often
it came down to oppinions and knowledge of the judges.

This tends to hurt models from periods that are less well known, say
anything up to 1930. In a local IPMS show the person bringing in say a less
well known scratch built prototype from 1916 may be the only person in that
club who knows anything about the period. You can't judge yourself so how
can anyone judge your model based on accuracy.

Plans can be and usually are wrong or of unknown origin, Measurements can be
as wrong or at least only good if the measure points were stated. Pictures
even can be questionable, look at the arguments we get into over colour etc.

At national levels you can expect knowledgable judges, at local club level
the whole thing becomes more a crap shoot and is the reason why quite often
the sme old tired subjects (well built I might add) win at local shows.

Just my oppinion.....  Ray

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
> Crawford Neil
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:46 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: RE: New images
>
>
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > The U.S. system uses some variant of what you term the
> > "complicated" system,
> > with "Model basics" as the main criteria, and the model with
> > the fewest
> > mistakes wins.  BTW, I am not advocating that method one way
> > or the other.
> > Degree of difficulty is not taken into account as a primary
> > factor, so you
> > tend to see a lot of Fokker D.VII's, Fokker DDr.1's, Fokker
> > D.VIII/E.V's in
> > the biplane category.  Regardless, my friends who attended
> > the English
> > Nationals were still mystified, despite the apparent move
> > towards the US
> > IPMS-type method of judging.
>
>
> Degree of difficulty is one of my moot points, as a scratch-builder I
> naturally think its important. Another thing they don't take into account
> in Sweden is historical correctness. The reason for this is that one judge
> knows everything about SPADs, but nothing about Camels so will see all the
> mistakes on the SPAD, but miss them all on the Camel. My opinion is that
> by the time you have discounted these two "trivial" items, then
> just judging
> basic handwork and painting/weathering is quite pointless, and equally
> impossible to do fairly. So you might just as well do it in the
> old-fashioned
> way, it's neither better or worse, but much quicker!
>
> As to the UK-Nationals, it was just wonderful to be there, I had the time
> of my life, both times.
>
> >
> > >You shouldn't start me on this subject, I'm famous on the swedish
> > > >web-forum, for boring the pants off anyone prepared to listen!
> >
> > Is it in Swedish?  If so, I'm sunk, along with the other
> > 99.623% of the
> > World's population:).
>
> Yes it's in swedish, luckily! Last week somone counted my posts on
> this subject, I had done twice as many as everyone else, doesn't help
> though, nobody listens to me anyway;-)
>
>
> >
> > Michael
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> >


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:22:15 +0100
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: New images - judging systems
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A017D08C5@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

I'm sorry Ray, it's a crap shoot on national levels too!
Last time in UK my GeeBee R1 was competing in the scratch 
class against (I think it was Mark Slota's model, anyone know?)
a Curtiss F "maple-leaf". You can't really expect the judges to
know much about either of those two, I lost, but it was an 
honour to lose to such a lovely model. What irritated me
slightly (very slightly) was that my GeeBee placed ahead of my
Spad XI, the GeeBee is flashier and possibly looks like it was
neater made, but if you know anything about it, the complexity
of the Spad makes it much more difficult. But honestly how on
earth can you expect judges, even on a national level to know
that?
/Neil

Ray wrote:
> At national levels you can expect knowledgable judges, at 
> local club level
> the whole thing becomes more a crap shoot and is the reason 
> why quite often
> the sme old tired subjects (well built I might add) win at 
> local shows.
> 
> Just my oppinion.....  Ray
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:41:44 +0100
From: "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Stitching
Message-ID: <NEEILCFEPCBGPDBHJFKHEECDCEAA.ggraf@vo.lu>

Dale,

I do not have such sketches you might want to take a look at the detail
pictures of the Rumpler C.IV I offer at my website if you not already have.
There is one closeup picture of the national insigna where you can clearly
see the stitches. You can find the pis at the AIRCRAFT section.

happy modeling

 Gaston Graf
(ggraf@vo.lu)
Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at:
http://www.jastaboelcke.de

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
> Dale Sebring
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 4:41 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Stitching
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 7:40 AM
> Subject: Stitching
>
>
> > Hi-
> > Anyone know of any sketches, etc. of the various stitching patterns used
> for
> > British, German, etc. aircraft, that are available.
> > Thanks
> > Tom P
>
> Hi Tom, try Archers @ www.mindspring.com
> Regards,
> Dale
>


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:47:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: Several Web Updates
Message-ID: <200101121647.LAA13226@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

Listees,

I've made several updates to the web site. Check the news section for
more details. Thanks to all who contributed.

I'll be going home sick for the afternoon, see you all on Tuesday. Monday
is a US holliday - Civil Rights Day / Martin Luther King Jr. day.

Please hold submissions until Tuesday.

Thanks,
Allan

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:46:10 -0600
From: "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'World War I'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Lots of vacs
Message-ID: <E163A98BC3D0D2119CAA0000832180C203EBD746@exchange6.health.state.ok.us>

This guy has lots of OT vacs for sale on ebay in lots.
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=jdenberger@
aol.com&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25
<http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=jdenberger
@aol.com&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25> 
Mack

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:50:24 +0100
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: WW1 list OT Places of interest guide 
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A017D08C6@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>



Linkoping;Sweden   - Swedish Air Force Museum

			 - Nieuport IVG
                   - Macchi M7
                   - SK1 Albatross 120hp (2-seat Albatross similar to BII)
                   - CFV Ö1 Tummelisa  (swedish trainer from 1919)
                   - Phönix 122 (D1) 
                                        
                   and lots of interesting ot stuff, also some old engines.


Stockholm, Sweden  - Technical museum
                   
                   -Albatross BII
                   -Junkers F13
   
I hope I haven't got this too wrong, if anyone actually
comes to Sweden get in touch, and I'll get an up to date situation,
there are some more Albatross 2-seaters and Thulin's in Sweden,
but they have been moved, I'm not sure where they are today.
/Neil

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:50:54 -0600
From: "Graham Hunter" <ghunter@pangea.ca>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness
Message-ID: <000001c07cb7$d4b58860$fa0101c0@grahamh>

Bob, Very nice job on the Dolphin. I am currently working on Eric's Dolphin
for that museum commission. And I don't think the Dolphin is all that ugly.
To me it's just a different Sopwith (not a rotary).
Again Bob, fantastic job :-)

Graham H.


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:00:39 -0700
From: "Dale Sebring" <alleluja@ida.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: RB3D
Message-ID: <001101c07cb9$3183f760$2fb58dd0@main>

Hi Gaston,
I tried sending this directly, but it came back. I'm hooked up w/ ICQ but
unable to find WOAC...help!

Best regards,
Dale
 PS-please excuse my on list intrusion :-)


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:10:39 +0100
From: "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Red Baron 3D
Message-ID: <NEEILCFEPCBGPDBHJFKHKECFCEAA.ggraf@vo.lu>

Attacking twoseaters is not so easy and requires practice. You should always
stay slightly BELOW of the enemy aircraft and in its dead angle of shooting.
Train deflection shooting and shooting from a long distance. Beware of the
evasive mouvements of the enemies! Those bastards dive away, then climb
again to sneak in for the kill from below.

If you need a better aim please lemme know and I'll send you my crosshairs
to use in RBII.

oh, and always watch your six, dude ;o)

 Gaston Graf
(ggraf@vo.lu)
Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at:
http://www.jastaboelcke.de



> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
> Tom Solinski
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:43 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Red Baron 3D
>
>
> > Sorry, but I'm having trouble shooting down BE2cs in just about any
> > German aircraft I choose.  However, I seem to be able to chew Rumplers
> > to pieces while flying my DH-2.
> >
> > Marc (Who has no rudder function on his joystick) (Don't go there E, you
> > either DB)
>
> OK I'll bite!  so if you DID have rudder function on your joystick would
> that make you twist and shout?
>
> Tom S
> OKC
> If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway!
>
>


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:23:50 -0000
From: "Diego Fernetti" <lordfernettix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Message-ID: <F259efpGtS79AX7Ur5q000109e2@hotmail.com>

Friends!
Finally, time to leave work for a deserved (and expected) vacation trip has 
arrived. Please behave while I'm away and build many models.
I'll check lordfernettix@hotmail.com from time to time, so if you want to 
contact me in the next two weeks write to that address. Please avoid writing 
me to "dfernet" since that is my work address.
Au revoir mes amis!
D.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:43:17 
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: WW1 list OT Places of interest guide
Message-ID: <F14oDYEcsDzMr3BDBni00015de3@hotmail.com>

Neil:

What happened to the Phonix D.III?  Admitedly it's in post-war Swedish 
colours, so perhaps it doesn't come under OT?

Michael

>From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>

>
>Linkoping;Sweden   - Swedish Air Force Museum
>
>			 - Nieuport IVG
>                    - Macchi M7
>                    - SK1 Albatross 120hp (2-seat Albatross similar to BII)
>                    - CFV Ö1 Tummelisa  (swedish trainer from 1919)
>                    - Phönix 122 (D1)
>
>                    and lots of interesting ot stuff, also some old 
>engines.
>
>
>Stockholm, Sweden  - Technical museum
>
>                    -Albatross BII
>                    -Junkers F13
>
>I hope I haven't got this too wrong, if anyone actually
>comes to Sweden get in touch, and I'll get an up to date situation,
>there are some more Albatross 2-seaters and Thulin's in Sweden,
>but they have been moved, I'm not sure where they are today.
>/Neil

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:49:22 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Jenny JN-4D Rudder
Message-ID: <sa5eef59.043@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Ben is looking for information on this piece...

But I am confused as to what you are wanting.  I don't understand how a 1/16 rudder can pose problems for a mold maker, unless you only want the tubing produced for later covering with fabric?  The "vees" you describe sound like a wire trailing edge, which is common enough, but certainly pose a problem to recreate prototypically in 1/16.

I will be happy to look up some of the details, if you can fill me in more on what you want to accomplish.

LMK, and HTH

Lance


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:26:01 EST
From: TomTheAeronut
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: New images - judging systems
Message-ID: <f4.6750767.2790a639@UNKNOWN>

In a message dated 1/12/01 11:24:17 AM EST, Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes:

<< What irritated me
 slightly (very slightly) was that my GeeBee placed ahead of my
 Spad XI, the GeeBee is flashier and possibly looks like it was
 neater made, but if you know anything about it, the complexity
 of the Spad makes it much more difficult. But honestly how on
 earth can you expect judges, even on a national level to know
 that? >>

If difficulty of the project was the standard, Robert Karr's 1/32 
scratchbuilt Gotha, which won Best of Show at both ValleyCon and Chino, would 
not have come in 3rd in "multi-engine, 1/48 and larger" behind two AMT A-20s 
with a bunch of True Details Resin at the next show it was entered in.  (One 
has to wonder, when one considers that the A-20s were done by two 
hale-fellows-well-met of the club sponsoring the show, which was not an 
organization RK was a member of, and which organization did all the judging - 
I have seen that also at another show where 80% of the awards went to 
sponsoring club members, including about  80% of those to the club 
president/chief judge.  Another reason to pay no attention to contest 
judging.)

I have to say that, having done judging, I am constantly amazed at 
great-looking models that do not stand up when you examine in detail the 
question of alignment.  That's an issue that still gets me to this day, and I 
am sure does all of you, too.  I well remember knocking a former Nats 
winner's ot Fw-Dora thingie out of competition by looking at it from directly 
above and noticing that the left main gear was far enough forward of the 
right gear that I could see the difference even without a straightedge.  
Great paint scheme, lots of good work in the cockpit, perfect decal 
application  - and that landing gear.

What gets me is when some over-stylized "IPMS style" paint scheme that no 
airplane that ever existed ever looked like or ever will look like, beats a 
scheme where you know the modeler did some research because it looks "real."

Tom Cleaver

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:29:30 EST
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Several Web Updates
Message-ID: <9d.fca90e5.2790a70a@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/12/01 11:46:43 AM EST, aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes:

<< Monday
 is a US holliday - Civil Rights Day / Martin Luther King Jr. day. >>

and 7th Anniversary of The Big One out here in L.A.  - had it not been for 
that day being a holiday and people not going to work, there would have been 
many more than the one cop go over the end of the Antelope Freeway when it 
broke, or break their cars when the Santa Monica Freeway cracked.

TC

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:07:12 EST
From: BEN8800@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Jenny JN-4D Rudder
Message-ID: <ee.fa5657d.2790afe0@aol.com>


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In a message dated 1/12/01 12:52:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lance.krieg@amerus.com writes:


> Ben is looking for information on this piece...
> 
> But I am confused as to what you are wanting.  I don't understand how a 
> 1/16 rudder can pose problems for a mold maker, unless you only want the 
> tubing produced for later covering with fabric?  The "vees" you describe 
> sound like a wire trailing edge, which is common enough, but certainly pose 
> a problem to recreate prototypically in 1/16.
> 
> I will be happy to look up some of the details, if you can fill me in more 
> on what you want to accomplish.
> 
> LMK, and HTH
> 
> Lance
> 
> 

The all metal rudder is made up of tubing on the real aircraft. To 1:16 scale 
I used 3/64" diameter brass rod for the casting master. In the mold the 
caster was unable to get the britannia metal to flow to all parts of the 
rudder framework in the diameters of the various parts. I do not wish to 
enlarge the diameters because it would be out of scale. Consequently, an 
option I have is to use a wooden type rudder.

On Nieto's plans the wooden rudder has a V shaped metal trailing edge just 
like the elevator. For the kit I would use strrl rod for this part. On the 
wooden rudder Nieto shows the leading edge to be wood, 1" x 5/8", but he does 
not indicate the sizes of the horizontal (ribs) and diagonal struts. That's 
what I am looking for and details of the connections of the ribs and 
diagonals to the leading and trailing edge.

Ben 

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 1/12/01 12:52:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
<BR>lance.krieg@amerus.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ben is looking for information on this piece...
<BR>
<BR>But I am confused as to what you are wanting. &nbsp;I don't understand how a 
<BR>1/16 rudder can pose problems for a mold maker, unless you only want the 
<BR>tubing produced for later covering with fabric? &nbsp;The "vees" you describe 
<BR>sound like a wire trailing edge, which is common enough, but certainly pose 
<BR>a problem to recreate prototypically in 1/16.
<BR>
<BR>I will be happy to look up some of the details, if you can fill me in more 
<BR>on what you want to accomplish.
<BR>
<BR>LMK, and HTH
<BR>
<BR>Lance
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>The all metal rudder is made up of tubing on the real aircraft. To 1:16 scale 
<BR>I used 3/64" diameter brass rod for the casting master. In the mold the 
<BR>caster was unable to get the britannia metal to flow to all parts of the 
<BR>rudder framework in the diameters of the various parts. I do not wish to 
<BR>enlarge the diameters because it would be out of scale. Consequently, an 
<BR>option I have is to use a wooden type rudder.
<BR>
<BR>On Nieto's plans the wooden rudder has a V shaped metal trailing edge just 
<BR>like the elevator. For the kit I would use strrl rod for this part. On the 
<BR>wooden rudder Nieto shows the leading edge to be wood, 1" x 5/8", but he does 
<BR>not indicate the sizes of the horizontal (ribs) and diagonal struts. That's 
<BR>what I am looking for and details of the connections of the ribs and 
<BR>diagonals to the leading and trailing edge.
<BR>
<BR>Ben </FONT></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:11:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: More Eduard
Message-ID: <20010112191141.49325.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com>

Proper Scale Modellers,

Matt's message prompted me to check Eduard's site. 
The good news goes even further.  The 1:48 Nieuport 11
is the next Eduard release.  Then an Albatros D.II
followed by an Albatros W.4, and a Sopwith Camel!  

Todd

--- Matt Bittner <tbittners@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> Gee, I should have scrolled down...
> 
> Looks like Gavia is going to release a Bristol Scout
> C in Balloon Scale
> (that's 1/48th).  Definitely great news for you
> Duplo Builders!
> 
> Off topic, but also important, is Gavia has
> announced an La-7 in
> Balloon as well.  Now if we could get one in
> 1/72nd...
> 
> 
> Matt Bittner
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:31:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: WW1 list OT Places of interest guide 
Message-ID: <20010112193108.51860.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com>

For listees visiting or travelling through Iowa, 
there's a Hispano, a Salmson engine, and some other OT
items at a small country aviation museum just east of
Blakesburg, Iowa (Hwy 34 E.).  

TH

--- Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Linkoping;Sweden   - Swedish Air Force Museum
> 
> 			 - Nieuport IVG
>                    - Macchi M7
>                    - SK1 Albatross 120hp (2-seat
> Albatross similar to BII)
>                    - CFV Ö1 Tummelisa  (swedish
> trainer from 1919)
>                    - Phönix 122 (D1) 
>                                         
>                    and lots of interesting ot stuff,
> also some old engines.
> 
> 
> Stockholm, Sweden  - Technical museum
>                    
>                    -Albatross BII
>                    -Junkers F13
>    
> I hope I haven't got this too wrong, if anyone
> actually
> comes to Sweden get in touch, and I'll get an up to
> date situation,
> there are some more Albatross 2-seaters and Thulin's
> in Sweden,
> but they have been moved, I'm not sure where they
> are today.
> /Neil


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:15:50 -0600
From: "Graham Hunter" <ghunter@pangea.ca>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: More Eduard
Message-ID: <000301c07cd4$75cc2d00$fa0101c0@grahamh>

-----Original Message-----
Of Todd Hayes
Proper Scale Modellers,

<<Matt's message prompted me to check Eduard's site.
<The good news goes even further.  The 1:48 Nieuport 11
<is the next Eduard release.  Then an Albatros D.II
<followed by an Albatros W.4, and a Sopwith Camel!
<Todd>>

This is GREAT news!!! I was looking for Eric's W4 with no luck.
Ever since another local OTer's mini scale W4 with hand painted naval
lozenge and that Eric had one in balloon scale I've wanted one. I've been
holding off on buying Eduard's Ni 17 because of the impending release of the
Ni 11. Although I can't wait to do a 17 the 11 has to be first due to it's
historical impact.
Regards, Graham

Shame on you Matt for not including this proper scale notice ;^)


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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:35:02 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: More Eduard
Message-ID: <200101122035.MAA29471@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:20:02 -0500 (EST), Graham Hunter wrote:

> Shame on you Matt for not including this proper scale notice ;^)

Well, for most of us the Duplo Nie.11 release is very *old* news. :-P 
:-)


Matt Bittner



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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:44:54 -0500
From: "Brad & Merville" <BigglesRFC@globalserve.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: OT movie news
Message-ID: <009201c07cd8$85bfe5e0$95885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup>

AMEN brother !!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: aa8. <aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: OT movie news


>Dear List members
>If you rolled up all the previously mentioned novels on WW1 aviation in a
>ball they wouldn't come within an mile of 'Winged Victory'. After all,
>Victor Yeates actually flew Camels so he knew what he was talking about.
>That book is the greatest war film never made!!
>Andy Jones
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <TomTheAeronut@aol.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:32 PM
>Subject: Re: OT movie news
>
>
>> In a message dated 1/11/01 11:24:21 AM EST, bpearson@rapidnet.net writes:
>>
>> << As usual Hollywood is doing the lesser book >>
>>
>> Far be it from me to defend those morons and their usual choices, but
>allow
>> me to point out that this is the first time since "Von Richtofen and
>Brown"
>> and "Zeppelin" that anyone who actually could turn a script into a movie
>has
>> picked one that is OT, and with the company being who it is and the
writer
>> who he is, there's a possibility of something not too bad coming out the
>far
>> end of the process.  Undoubtedly they were influenced by the fact
Robinson
>is
>> known for "Piece of Cake" and by the fact it was turned into a pretty
good
>> adaptation on the BBC.
>>
>> TC
>>
>
>
>


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