WWI Digest 2968 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by Ernest Thomas 2) RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by Brent Theobald 3) Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: Belgian Camouflage by Marc Flake 6) Re: Camel two-seaters by Marc Flake 7) Re: Red Baron 3D by Marc Flake 8) RE: Red Baron 3D by "Ray Boorman" 9) Re: Jadar Model by PolTexCW@aol.com 10) Re: Jadar Model by PolTexCW@aol.com 11) RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by Shane Weier 12) models for sale by "Robert Fabris" 13) Re: Red Baron 3D by "Tom Solinski" 14) Re: Red Baron 3D by "Tom Solinski" 15) RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by "Ray Boorman" 16) Agama paints by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 17) Re: Aeroclub Liberty V-12's by CAUhlir@aol.com 18) Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by "DAVID BURKE" 19) Listees in Great Scale Modeling 2001 by pugs99@att.net 20) Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by Ernest Thomas 21) Magazine Alert by REwing@aol.com 22) Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by "DAVID BURKE" 23) Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness by Rob & Sherry 24) Re: New images by Witold Kozakiewicz 25) RE: New images by Crawford Neil 26) Re: Agama paints by "Bob Pearson" 27) RE: OT movie news by Crawford Neil 28) RE: New images by "Michael Kendix" 29) Re: models for sale by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 30) RE: New images by Crawford Neil 31) RE: New images by "Michael Kendix" 32) Eduard awesome 1/72nd news by "Matt Bittner" 33) Stitching by "TOM PLESHA" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:30:43 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <3A5E5E41.67EB5CFB@bellsouth.net> TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > Bob's Blue Max Sopwith Dolphin is today's feature article at Modeling > Madness. > > http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/ww1/laskodidolphin.htm > > Really beautiful work, Bob! Yep, really beautiful work. Too bad it's such an ugly subject. I'm sorry, I just think it's an ugly bird. I'm sure I'll build one someday to make the collection more complete, but it will be stuffed into the back left corner of the shelf reserved for uglies. But it's a very nice job on the model, Bob. E. who's lamenting the lack of beauty in the world after finding out the drop dead gorgeous, hottest looking tenant I have, is moving out.(sniff!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:33:58 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC1E@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com> Hey E.! Take comfort in the fact that DB is moving too. Later! Brent -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas [mailto:ethomas6@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > Bob's Blue Max Sopwith Dolphin is today's feature article at Modeling > Madness. > > http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/ww1/laskodidolphin.htm > > Really beautiful work, Bob! Yep, really beautiful work. Too bad it's such an ugly subject. I'm sorry, I just think it's an ugly bird. I'm sure I'll build one someday to make the collection more complete, but it will be stuffed into the back left corner of the shelf reserved for uglies. But it's a very nice job on the model, Bob. E. who's lamenting the lack of beauty in the world after finding out the drop dead gorgeous, hottest looking tenant I have, is moving out.(sniff!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:35:54 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <001001c07c38$034a7d00$73e179a5@com> > Hey E.! > > Take comfort in the fact that DB is moving too. > > Later! > > Brent > I got your comfort Brent, RIGHT HERE! DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:56:13 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <3A5E643B.BDFD9808@bellsouth.net> Brent Theobald wrote: > Hey E.! > > Take comfort in the fact that DB is moving too. You take comfort. I'm sorely bummed! E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:54:03 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Belgian Camouflage Message-ID: <3A5E63BB.5AEE@airmail.net> Thanks to those who have offered information. Those pictures in "Sopwith, King of Combat" sound like the pictures in "The Camel File" that I already have. I scoured the public library today. Didn't find one Harleyford book in any of the likely places. The only one I have, "Aircraft Camouflage 1907-1954," isn't too specific, but does have an intriguing description of a YELLOW Belgian Camel that was chased by an RFC type who thought he was a Hun. Now I'm shopping on-line for the Harleyford books. I always thought they'd be readily available at the library, but I was wrong. While shopping I came across "Above Flanders Fields." Although I haven't been too satisfied with the Grubb Sttreet books as far as modeling references go, I bought it anyway. David, if Philippe has what I need, I'll contact you about translation, although I know a little French myself. Thanks again all, I'll keep you updated {&%&} Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:54:59 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Camel two-seaters Message-ID: <3A5E63F3.1097@airmail.net> Sent Barry a note about the Camel two-seaters. No response yet. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:57:32 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Red Baron 3D Message-ID: <3A5E648C.7E6F@airmail.net> Gaston: Sorry, but I'm having trouble shooting down BE2cs in just about any German aircraft I choose. However, I seem to be able to chew Rumplers to pieces while flying my DH-2. Marc (Who has no rudder function on his joystick) (Don't go there E, you either DB) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:18:19 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Red Baron 3D Message-ID: unfortunately my version of RBII doesn't allow upgrades for the internet. - It was a special $5 version as a stocking stuffer. But anyway DH4's and BE2's are great Fokker fodder for DVII's. Whole different story with a Bristol Fighter though. I've been thinking of buying the RB 3D full game version. Is this worth while?? Just to keep this OT I bought the Aeroclub BE2e today wowow. Much nicer than I expected, best Aeroclub yet imho even if it is in that larger scale. Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Marc Flake > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:02 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Red Baron 3D > > > Gaston: > > Sorry, but I'm having trouble shooting down BE2cs in just about any > German aircraft I choose. However, I seem to be able to chew Rumplers > to pieces while flying my DH-2. > > Marc (Who has no rudder function on his joystick) (Don't go there E, you > either DB) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:24:17 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jadar Model Message-ID: <5f.f6a7b1e.278fc4d1@aol.com> In a message dated 1/11/1 2:41:32 AM, witk@bg.am.lodz.pl writes: << Looks like Jadar website is under reconstruction. I checked this morning and oly information is that they will be avaiable soon. Temporary contact email is jadarek@obywatel.pl. >> Dziekuje bardzo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:25:54 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jadar Model Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/1 6:36:47 AM, jan.vihonen@helsinki.fi writes: << Try faxing them, number is + 48 22 671 46 21 >> Thank you! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:26:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748A11@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hey E, > > Take comfort in the fact that DB is moving too. > > You take comfort. I'm sorely bummed! > Would it help to remember that while *she* is moving out it isn't DB who is moving in? ;-) Shane (who also hates moving passionately, and actually feels sorry for DB!) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:31:30 -0800 From: "Robert Fabris" To: Subject: models for sale Message-ID: <006101c07c3f$c6d97da0$f936480c@garage> Please contact me offline for a list of model kits that I have for sale. Both 1/72 and 1/48 scales. Pretty old stuff - I haven't bought a kit in years.... I would send this as an attachment in Word. Bob Fabris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:34:37 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Red Baron 3D Message-ID: <001c01c07c40$356a8b60$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> > Sorry, but I'm having trouble shooting down BE2cs in just about any > German aircraft I choose. However, I seem to be able to chew Rumplers > to pieces while flying my DH-2. > > Marc (Who has no rudder function on his joystick) (Don't go there E, you > either DB) OK I'll bite! so if you DID have rudder function on your joystick would that make you twist and shout? Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:37:03 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Red Baron 3D Message-ID: <002301c07c40$8c134c40$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> > I've been thinking of buying the RB 3D full game version. Is this worth > while?? > Ray it's so much fun that I play it almost every day. See how many months you can last in a campaign w/o cheating. no unlimited ammo, no aborting games. Or in the play now mode how many can you shoot down before you run out of ammo or gas or get knocked off. My record is 12. Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:35:54 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: Having moved a quite a few times. I concur, I hate moving and if its any distance say St Louis to Vancouver for example I really hate it (1 Airbrush and 1 box of models went missing???). Dont even ask me about the move from the UK to Canada, I'm still sore about all the profile publications, scale models magazines and various references plus 1 model collection that got left behind (and thats after 20 years). Typically you lose something if its a box then its bound to be the one with books or models in. Usually your favorites. If you're married, spouses never get it that the first order of business is to unpack your models/books and store them safely followed very quickly by setting up a work bench. Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Shane Weier > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness > > > Hey E, > > > > Take comfort in the fact that DB is moving too. > > > > You take comfort. I'm sorely bummed! > > > > Would it help to remember that while *she* is moving out it isn't > DB who is > moving in? > > ;-) > > Shane > > (who also hates moving passionately, and actually feels sorry for DB!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:14:29 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Agama paints Message-ID: <2b.f96fe94.278fd095@aol.com> Evening everyone, Anyone on the list use the Agama paints. I'm wondering what thinners work best? Has anyone tried different thinners with these paints to see how they work with the thinners? Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:33:14 EST From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aeroclub Liberty V-12's Message-ID: <99.f366b68.278fd4fa@aol.com> --part1_99.f366b68.278fd4fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought them for my Vimy project. They are really very good castings. The main engine comes in two halves that form the V12, two 6-cylinder exhausts, what looks like an pump, a d another piece I haven't identified yet. ANy help out there guys?? Candice --part1_99.f366b68.278fd4fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought them for my Vimy project.   They are really very good castings.  The
main engine comes in two halves that form the V12, two  6-cylinder exhausts,
what looks like an pump, a d another piece I haven't identified yet.  ANy
help out there guys??

Candice --part1_99.f366b68.278fd4fa_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:47:12 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <003101c07c52$bfba6440$1d92aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness > > > Brent Theobald wrote: > > > Hey E.! > > > > Take comfort in the fact that DB is moving too. > > You take comfort. I'm sorely bummed! > E. > Hell, if anything, I'll be about 30 minutes closer to N.O! DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:02:23 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Listees in Great Scale Modeling 2001 Message-ID: <20010112050223.BAYG29713.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi Folks, Kudos to our own Brent Theobald and Matt Bittner for their builds in FSM's annual. Realy nice work guys!!! Regards, John Impenna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:46:30 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <3A5E9A35.FD53B729@bellsouth.net> Ray Boorman wrote: > Having moved a quite a few times. I concur, (snip) and concludes the lesson with... > If you're married, spouses never get it that the first order of business is > to unpack your models/books and store them safely followed very quickly by > setting up a work bench. Which all has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that Katrina is MOVING OUT OF MY APARTMENT BUILDING! You guys just don't know. This girl is.... YOW!, and I do mean, YOW! And while it would be no consolation at all after losing Kat, it wouldn't bother me to have DB as a tenant. Remember, we're talking French Quarter here. I deal with REAL nuts. DB would be a welcome alternative. And to get back OT, I've written up a statement explaining us(yeah right!) to be sent to that teacher lady in case any parents are interested. Should I post it to the list for all to see? And if I do, that doesn't mean I'm asking for opinions or edititing help. You'll live up to my standards, or else! :-) E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:55:09 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Magazine Alert Message-ID: --part1_ee.fa56538.278ff63d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Group, The March 2001 issue of "Aviation History" has some pertinent OT stuff and some almost OT. First the cover shows a Sopwith Camel chasing an Albatros and the major article is about T.O.M. Sopwith. The next article is about "An epic attempt to fly from England to Australia in 1919 was one of aviation's magnificent failures." There is also a section on Historic Modeling that helps one "Build your own version of Royal Flying Corps Captain Henry Woollett's Sopwith Camel." Lastly, and pre-OT, is an article the first aerial flight in Canada and the influence of Mabel Hubbard Bell and the Aerial Experiment Association. Hope you found this informative. -Rick- List Librarian --part1_ee.fa56538.278ff63d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Group,
    The March 2001 issue of "Aviation History" has some pertinent OT stuff
and some almost OT.  First the cover shows a Sopwith Camel chasing an
Albatros and the major article is about T.O.M. Sopwith.  The next article is
about "An epic attempt to fly from England to Australia in 1919 was one of
aviation's magnificent failures."  There is also a section on Historic
Modeling that helps one "Build your own version of Royal Flying Corps Captain
Henry Woollett's Sopwith Camel."  Lastly, and pre-OT, is an article the first
aerial flight in Canada and the influence of Mabel Hubbard Bell and the
Aerial Experiment Association.  Hope you found this informative.

-Rick-
List Librarian

--part1_ee.fa56538.278ff63d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:10:10 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <000901c07c5e$5465c660$deed79a5@com> E wailed: > > And while it would be no consolation at all after losing Kat, it wouldn't > bother me to have DB as a tenant. Remember, we're talking French Quarter here. > I deal with REAL nuts. DB would be a welcome alternative. > Sheesh, the Quarter drove me nuts - still affects my stability just visiting. Bet my boobs are about as big as hers, eh? I ain't wearin' a G-string for you though Bud, no offense but you ain't my type! DB nl: Who - 'Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:34:02 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another Laskodi Gem at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010112013402.00869b60@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Excellent selection! Did I read you where moving to Auburn, AL....Have to say it bad selection ;-) Rob !!!!!!!!!!ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!! At 01:16 AM 1/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >DB > >nl: Who - 'Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy' > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:07:37 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <3A5EBB49.BAA52A5A@bg.am.lodz.pl> "Steven M.Perry" napisał(a): > > > I just uploaded an extremely well done DH2 as done by Witold > > Kozakiewicz. Excellent job! > > Beautiful work Witold! I do like the seat, very nice. > sp Thanks Steven Few days after I built seat I read your method. I wish I read it before I started building mine. It dissolved lots of problems I had. Next one for Sopwith I build using copper wire for framework and stretched sprue or thin wire as you wrote on your page. This model in local model contest in December took "the worst" 4th place. First won hasegawa P-47, before F-16 (italeri) and Bf-109G (hasegawa). Only I had OT models in 1/48 (second was Nieuport 25 conversion - 5th place). Nothing 1/72 and one paper Camel 1/50 in Kosciuszko squadron markings. Tomasz came to Lodz for a few hours, he showed beautiful Scaroni's HD.1, Voss' Albatros and ot Hurricane I in 303Sqn markings. He didn't want to start in contest. Maybe next time. Thanks again for comments. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:30:04 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New images Message-ID: I think you need to be lucky with the judges to win with a DH2, it's small, brown and insiginificant, easily missed. I had mine at the UK nationals in 1990, and it was unplaced in it's class, which saddened me a little, but then along came Allan W. Hall and gave me a prize for best conversion, which was a little surprising because it wasn't really a conversion. I was lucky that he came past and happened to see it. I bet your DH2 would have won if we had been the judges! /Neil Witold wrote: This model in local model contest in December took "the worst" 4th place. First won hasegawa P-47, before F-16 (italeri) and Bf-109G (hasegawa). Only I had OT models in 1/48 (second was Nieuport 25 conversion - 5th place). Nothing 1/72 and one paper Camel 1/50 in Kosciuszko squadron markings. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:37:19 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Agama paints Message-ID: <200101121006.CAA19310@mail.rapidnet.net> I used the last of my Model Master thinner and then the thinner in the little testors bottles .. both worked fine (probably the same stuff). Bob ---------- >From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Agama paints >Date: Thu, Jan 11, 2001, 7:18 pm > > Evening everyone, Anyone on the list use the Agama paints. I'm wondering what > thinners work best? Has anyone tried different thinners with these paints to > see how they work with the thinners? > Thanks, > Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:07:50 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: OT movie news Message-ID: You're absolutely right, Derek Robinsons books (and plenty of others that are worse) are really only copies of Winged Victory. WV was 50 years ahead of it's time. Incidentally Victor Yeates didn't just fly Camels he was an ace too. /Neil Original Message----- From: aa8. [mailto:aa8.@tinyworld.co.uk] Sent: den 11 januari 2001 20:27 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: OT movie news Dear List members If you rolled up all the previously mentioned novels on WW1 aviation in a ball they wouldn't come within an mile of 'Winged Victory'. After all, Victor Yeates actually flew Camels so he knew what he was talking about. That book is the greatest war film never made!! Andy Jones ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:25:12 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: New images Message-ID: >From: Crawford Neil > >I think you need to be lucky with the judges to win with a DH2, it's >small, brown and insiginificant, easily missed. I had mine at the UK >nationals in 1990, and it was unplaced in it's class,... Neil: Interesting post. Although I am English, having spent the first 24 years of my life living in Edgware, Middx., (I left in 1982), I am unclear about the judging criteria used in the English Nationals. I know less is made of the competitive aspect compared with the U.S., with more focus on SIG/club displays and that things are kept well lubricated by the beer, wine etc. Is there any one on the list who can explain the judging criteria? My American IPMS friends, themsleves experienced U.S IPMS judges and very active modelers, were confused; but they said they had a wonderful time, which is the main thing. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:05:25 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: models for sale Message-ID: Just saw this other post Bob, I'd love a copy of the list if it's not too much trouble. TIA MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:45:12 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New images Message-ID: I think they changed the system between '90 and '98 when I was there again. In '90 they just had 3 experienced people who discussed each class and chose the winners. In '98 they had a more complicated system of giving points, same as we do in Sweden. My personal opinion is that the complicated system is a waste of time. I thought that the standards of judging had declined in '98, even though I did better myself. Also, they were finished judging on Saturday afternoon in '90, in '98 they were'nt finished till Sunday. The disadvantage of the simple system is that a good model can easily be missed, OTOH the complicated system encourages the judges to look for mistakes, rather than concentrating on the good points of each model. You shouldn't start me on this subject, I'm famous on the swedish web-forum, for boring the pants off anyone prepared to listen! /Neil -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kendix [mailto:mkendix@hotmail.com] Sent: den 12 januari 2001 14:29 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: New images >From: Crawford Neil > >I think you need to be lucky with the judges to win with a DH2, it's >small, brown and insiginificant, easily missed. I had mine at the UK >nationals in 1990, and it was unplaced in it's class,... Neil: Interesting post. Although I am English, having spent the first 24 years of my life living in Edgware, Middx., (I left in 1982), I am unclear about the judging criteria used in the English Nationals. I know less is made of the competitive aspect compared with the U.S., with more focus on SIG/club displays and that things are kept well lubricated by the beer, wine etc. Is there any one on the list who can explain the judging criteria? My American IPMS friends, themsleves experienced U.S IPMS judges and very active modelers, were confused; but they said they had a wonderful time, which is the main thing. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:18:56 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: New images Message-ID: >From: Crawford Neil >The disadvantage of the simple system is that a good model can easily >be >missed, OTOH the complicated system encourages the judges to look >for >mistakes, rather than concentrating on the good points of each >model. The U.S. system uses some variant of what you term the "complicated" system, with "Model basics" as the main criteria, and the model with the fewest mistakes wins. BTW, I am not advocating that method one way or the other. Degree of difficulty is not taken into account as a primary factor, so you tend to see a lot of Fokker D.VII's, Fokker DDr.1's, Fokker D.VIII/E.V's in the biplane category. Regardless, my friends who attended the English Nationals were still mystified, despite the apparent move towards the US IPMS-type method of judging. >You shouldn't start me on this subject, I'm famous on the swedish > >web-forum, for boring the pants off anyone prepared to listen! Is it in Swedish? If so, I'm sunk, along with the other 99.623% of the World's population:). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:33:43 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Eduard awesome 1/72nd news Message-ID: <200101121433.GAA12353@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Just looking at the Eduard site. Although not as awesome as announcing a Nie.17 in 1/72nd, Eduard does state they're working on the HD.1 in 1/72nd YESSS!!!!!!! The only things that would make me happier is the Nie.17, and the two single-seat SPADs. Excellent! Anybody want to buy Pegasus and/or Formaplane HD.1's? ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:38:20 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Stitching Message-ID: <000901c07ca5$4fe30520$9a444c0c@tom> Hi- Anyone know of any sketches, etc. of the various stitching patterns used for British, German, etc. aircraft, that are available. Thanks Tom P ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2968 **********************