WWI Digest 2963 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Kits for kids, further thoughts... by Crawford Neil 2) Kids and modeling (another POV) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 3) RE: Kids and modeling (another POV) by Crawford Neil 4) RE: Kits for kids was Great website by "dfernet0" 5) RE: Kids and modeling (another POV) by "dfernet0" 6) Re: Belgian Camouflage by "Steven M.Perry" 7) And a New Computer Lives .... by "Dale Beamish" 8) 13 volume Standard History ... by "Sandy Adam" 9) the whole nine yards by "Sandy Adam" 10) Re: Hannants Mail Order by "Sandy Adam" 11) Re: Sopwith Camel two-seaters by "Matt Bittner" 12) RE: Sopwith Camel two-seaters by "dfernet0" 13) RE: Caudron book by Crawford Neil 14) Re: by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 15) APMA Meeting this Saturday by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 16) RE: Hannants Mail Order by Crawford Neil 17) Re: Kits for kids, further thoughts... by Ernest Thomas 18) Re: New pics on WWI site by "Dale Sebring" 19) Super scale loz by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 20) Re: And a New Computer Lives .... by "Dale Sebring" 21) Help with French Beige by "Jack Gartner" 22) RE: Help with French Beige by Crawford Neil 23) Re: Help with French Beige by "Matt Bittner" 24) RE: Help with French Beige-2 by Crawford Neil 25) RE: Help with French Beige-2 by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: Help with 1/48th decals by "Lance Krieg" 27) RE: Help with French Beige-2 by Crawford Neil 28) RE: WW1 list OT Places of interest guide guide by "Graham Hunter" 29) OT Story was Kits for kids by Brent Theobald 30) RE: Hannants Mail Order by Brent Theobald ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:16:05 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kits for kids, further thoughts... Message-ID: You've got a point there Tom, what on earth else could have got me to read Saint-Exupery otherwise. /Neil Tom wrote: You might also bring up that the afflicted will become interested in history (how did that airplane get used? why did that war happen? why did the war before that war happen?), and that the seriously afflicted will want to become pilots, and then will find a reason to learn math, physics, meteorology, and even english (since they'll have to learn how to write in their logbooks). Airplanes and a love of them is more educational that ten great teachers (might not want to say that to the teacher who got involved here). TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:36:57 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Kids and modeling (another POV) Message-ID: My last post, mentioning what can happen if the kid gets interested in modeling, set me to thinking. We should also mention books. Unfortunately, as I think of the book I am about to mention - which I read when I was in 7th grade (max) - it might likely be beyond the reading ability of high school seniors now, after 20 years of "educational reform" by otherwise-unemployables (aka "Professors of Education) teaching teachers how to teach kids not to read, but there might be some among her class (the "wierdos") who actually can read and are as bored by the "official reading list" as I was,(and likely you, too) who might benefit. I know,this is "ot" but the vest flyer's autobiography I ever read (at least when I first read it - 12) was Robert L. Johnson's "Thunderbolt!", the first hardbound book I went to a bookstore and bought for myself. It's the story of a 10 year old kid who saw "The Three Musketeers" (whose then-unknown leader was Claire Chennault) do an airshow in 1927, who decided "I'm going to be an Army pilot," and who later amended that with "I'm going to be the best Army pilot," and who then set out to find out what he needed to know to do that, and did those things, and - eventually (the end of May 1944) came back home as "the best Army pilot" - first in the ETO to equal Eddie Rickenbacker's score. It's a story that tells a kid "you can dream and you can do it." I'll never forget the best advice I got from that book, when he talked about boxing in high school and being afraid to get in the ring, and the coach said of the opponent: "he puts his pants on one leg at a time, just like you do." I put that to immediate use as a competitive high school swimmer, and started to win by becoming calm in competitions, and have remembered it ever since whenever I have been afraid of something/someone. I have often thought that the books I read about famous aces were my "guides" to choosing a life that was difficult and challenging (100,000 people come here every year to be screenwriters; there are 7,000 members of the Guild, and 1,000 who pay the bills by writing - I scrimp, but I pay the bills, by writing) Those stories of guys who beat the odds to become what they really wanted to be were inspirational. And when I started actually meeting them 20 years ago, I was amazed to discover that - as people - they and I were not that different. It used to be that "inspirational autobiographies" were a matter of course in education, but no more: we don't want the kiddies to try for something they might not achieve, it wouldn't be "nice," so maybe we can come up with some books to recommend to the teacher, and one of those kids out there will benefit from it. If it's only one, that's one more than might have been - kids don't get told too often nowadays that they can dream big and win if they work for it. Give it some thought, OK? TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:51:25 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kids and modeling (another POV) Message-ID: Well I know a little 8-year old girl who's just read The lord of the rings, so there is hope for the youth of the world. My own "inspirational ace" book was Wing Leader by Johnnie Johnson, I imagine this would vary depending on which country you start up in. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:58:50 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Kits for kids was Great website Message-ID: <007001c07aeb$ee94b440$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sir Ernest saith: > I once gave a presentation to a 4th grade class on the middle ages. I brought > in a bunch of broad swords, axes, and chain mail for them to handle. I also > taught them how to make their own chain mail. > Alas, it was all for naught. So far not one kid has been knighted. Nobility is a rare plant to grow, my dear, but I'm sure that some of them will be good squires someday. Hercule Savinien Diegano de Bergerac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:41:56 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Kids and modeling (another POV) Message-ID: <009401c07af1$f40d6740$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Tom wrote: > We should also mention books. I'd mention, for order of "enjoyability": "Le Petit Prince" by Antoine de Saint Exupery "A gift of wings" by Richard Bach "The Lone Eagle" by Chas. Lindberg "Saggitarius Rising" by Cecil Lewis (I know I would have enjoyed this as a kid) any book by Anne Morrow Lindberg Any "Bill Barnes" book and I'm sure that any "Biggles" book will do as well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:00:47 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Belgian Camouflage Message-ID: <006701c07af4$96a55380$49f0aec7@default> > Okay, so no one felt confident enough to respond to my iniital query > about Belgian Camouflage on Sopwith Camels (I even included the secret > handshake {&% Marc: Someone, sent me a color photo of the Belgian Camel in the museum in Brussels when I was doing one. I believe it was Mike Muth. IIRC the Camel was one shade of greenish PC10 with natural wood decking and natural metal cowl. I'll hunt it up after work and pass it along. sp BTW the secret handshake is: {%&%} and not {&%&}. This is so to prevent confusion with E's shade of MvR red (&%&#$^) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:58:55 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: And a New Computer Lives .... Message-ID: <002901c07af4$5602b200$732eb8a1@darcy> Glad to say a new computer has replaced "Ol' Reliable" which died shortly after X-Mas. The E-Mail address is the same. Did I miss anything? Where's the Eduard Camel? :-) Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:55:53 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: 13 volume Standard History ... Message-ID: <005001c07af5$9ab986c0$10e8b094@sandyada> >Once again I would recommend Armchair Auctions. this is a monthly WW1 book >auction conducted by George Murdoch. He sends out a list of books .. you >write back what you are willing to pay ... the earliest, highest bid by a >certain date wins. So far I have got over 100 books from him, including the >13 volume Standard History of the Great War published from 1914-1921 .. this >thing was 65lbs (weight not value) .. I got it for $150 - I have seen it >advertised for £500 . I have a slightly different view Bob, - I feel that GM inflates the expected value and ignores bids that fall much below this. Many, many times I have included low bids on books that I know are overpriced and have never, ever been successful. I suggest caution. Of course, you are dead right - you bid what you want and if you get it you must be happy! On the odd occasion that GM gets it wrong, I have bid and won - most recently on the old Harleyford Bristol and Westland books from the late 1940's - for 25GBP each. But.... as an example - the 13 vol book set may be vastly overpriced in the US & Canada but over here is readily available at substantially lower prices. The individual vols are usually 2-6GBP each and full sets well below 100GBP. I was going to buy a full set last year (for 65GBP) but when I drove 50 miles to the shop, it had closed for the day. A few days later I was over on the SW coast and popped into another bookshop where I saw the same complete set - for 15GBP!!!! Dave - I think you are in Scotland just now? - if you want the 13vol set for £65 - it is probably still there in the bookshop on the bridge at the corner of the Wellmeadow, Blairgowrie. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:05:11 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: the whole nine yards Message-ID: <005101c07af5$9be7a680$10e8b094@sandyada> >ot question: the whole nine yards no doubt about this - it comes from bolts of cloth which were sold in nine yard lengths. If a customer was buying from the bolt they would sometimes go the whole nine yards and buy all the material to ensure they had more than enough to do the job properly. >I heard that 'the whole nine yards' refers to the amount of cloth in the >traditional Scottish "great kilt", not the 'skirt', but the toga wrapped old >fashioned type (ala "Braveheart") which could be used in all sorts of >weather, ever thrown over the head. Could well be a link here Merril, although I think the saying is of much later provenance. The garment you refer to is the philimor - or great kilt - which was one continuous bolt of cloth wrapped around and over the body (and it is indeed about nine yards long). At night the wearer used it as a substantial blanket. Later the philibeg - small kilt - became more popular and was a shorter length of cloth wrapped round the waist. Probably more information than you wanted to know! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:07:22 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Re: Hannants Mail Order Message-ID: <005201c07af5$9d3ef920$10e8b094@sandyada> >Hi Folks, Has anyone here in the states been able to do business with these BOZOS???? I sent an order via email to them over a month ago based on a post from Sandy Adam listing a couple of BM kits that were on sale. Hi John I'm sorry my recommendation should have backfired so badly. I have to say that you are not alone in your feelings about Hannants - I use them as a necessary evil but gain no pleasure from the experience at all. Sometimes they are about the only sensible source, but I will always buy elsewhere if I can. My prefered supplier in the UK is Aeroclub - John Adams is one of the most helpful and knowledgeable guys around - AND - he gets trade prices from Hannants - so anything in the standard Hannants catalogue, you can get from John at the same price (or less!) with much better customer service. Unfortunately this does not go for sale items. The Hannants sale is the one carrot that makes me buy from them - but it is always unpleasant. But .... in the past, I've bought a stack of DML SPADS at 5GBP each, DML Fokkers at less than 10.00 each and JGMT kits at half-price, so my principles went out the window. I once had a circular argument with the (very unpleasant) Nigel Hannant, asking if I could buy a 25.50 kit, but only pay the 25.00 postage rate instead of the double rate (from 25.00 to 75.00). NH refused very unpleasantly. I pointed out that I could buy exactly the same (Hannants) kit from Aeroclub and at that time they gave free shipping over 25.00 - so NH would sell the same kit to me - but in one case he would lose 30% or whatever markup to Aeroclub and I would save shipping. I was prepared to buy direct and pay the postage to save a week's delay. He couldn't see it and became very abusive about Aeroclub - one of his best customers - saying their casting shop was based in an old public lavatory! - and said he had plenty of other customers if I wanted to take myself off elsewhere. I did - to Aeroclub and bought another 30.00 worth of goods on top. The Hannants Colindale shop is staffed by a chapter of the National Front, who all suffer from (hopefully terminal) chronic chain smoking and always seem to have the 'flu. The Neanderthal brows furrow if you mention the concept of an aeroplane with two sets of wings and they try to work out if they should hit you for taking the p*ss. Sorry I didn't say all this before, John. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 05:24:08 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel two-seaters Message-ID: <200101101124.DAA05115@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:20:24 -0500 (EST), Marc Flake wrote: > Wouldn't this be a great time for Barry to reissue his Camel > conversions? I seem to remember a replacement cowl for the Revell kit > and a two-seater version of the Sopwith Camel. Unfortunately Barry has unsubbed for awhile, so he won't be reading this. Why not send it direct? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:34:59 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith Camel two-seaters Message-ID: <021201c07af9$5d39fa60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> A two seater camel? Wow. Interesting conversion. Is there any aftermarket set for correcting the camel kits out there? -secret handshake- Still no correcting reviews for the Esci, Revell and Academy Camels. Come on guys! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel two-seaters > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:20:24 -0500 (EST), Marc Flake wrote: > > > Wouldn't this be a great time for Barry to reissue his Camel > > conversions? I seem to remember a replacement cowl for the Revell kit > > and a two-seater version of the Sopwith Camel. > > Unfortunately Barry has unsubbed for awhile, so he won't be reading > this. Why not send it direct? > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:53:38 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Caudron book Message-ID: Title is Les Avions Caudron by André Hauet Collection Histoire de l'aviation No 11 & 12 They have 500 pages and 500 photos if you buy both books. It says: Prix en souscription:290F par volume(port compris). Le prix sera de 350F+30F de port á parution. I think this means that they cost 580F if you buy both, or 380F each if you buy separately. Available from Sarl Lela Presse 29 rue Paul Bert 62230 Outreau France They have a good web-site http://www.avionsjets.com/ but I couldn't find the Caudron books there yet. Hope this helps they look very interesting and will probably be available at Midland Counties or other bookshops, but much more expensively. I would like to buy them, but right now, I can't afford it. /Neil -----Original Message----- From: Crawford Neil Sent: den 9 januari 2001 12:58 To: 'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu' Subject: RE: Caudron book They have 500 pages and 500 photos, can't remember if that was one or both, I'll be back on this tomorrow. /Neil -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] Sent: den 9 januari 2001 12:51 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Avions OT content - correction Neil! > Also I forgot to mention an interesing advertisment for 2 new books about > Caudron, > vol 1 1908-27 and vol 2 1928-44, if you buy both they cost 290 fr. each, > they seemed > extremely good. I can supply more details if anyone is interested. Please! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:33:31 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Message-ID: <00b301c07b01$8bc3e9b0$4137183f@cyrixp166> Aviation World in Toronto carries these. It seems to me that everything at Aviation World is pricey, but I suspect that these AJP kits would be pricey anywhere. There is a website, but I don't have the listing just now. Brad Gossen or Dave Zulis could give contact info. You might try Sopwith Hobbies in this country. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: fedders To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 9:06 PM > > > I am thinking of buying the AJP Voisin. Does anybody know who sells it? > > I have built the AJP Caudrons G3 and G4 and both are very nice - but > expensive and a lot of work > > peter > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:01:57 -0800 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: APMA Meeting this Saturday Message-ID: <3A5D5A65.7A10A66C@tac.com.au> Hi gang, The first APMA meeting of the new Millenium is on this Saturday. If you live in Sydney & it's environs, or just visiting on the day, please feel free to attend. Hopefully Volker will be around ;-). Check out the site for more details. Speaking of which - it's been updated today with a bunch of models from APMA member Ian Wrenford, including his "APMA AGM Model of the Year" from 2000 & some ot/golden age planes. Also, check out the new member offer as well. Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm Having FUN making models ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:48:27 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Hannants Mail Order Message-ID: Sandy, I wish you wouldn't write things like this when I'm at work, I almost laughed out load, you're dead right! /Neil Sandy wrote: The Hannants Colindale shop is staffed by a chapter of the National Front, who all suffer from (hopefully terminal) chronic chain smoking and always seem to have the 'flu. The Neanderthal brows furrow if you mention the concept of an aeroplane with two sets of wings and they try to work out if they should hit you for taking the p*ss. Sorry I didn't say all this before, John. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:36:19 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits for kids, further thoughts... Message-ID: <3A5C6552.C9709984@bellsouth.net> TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > You might also bring up that the afflicted will become interested in history > (how did that airplane get used? why did that war happen? why did the war > before that war happen?), and that the seriously afflicted will want to > become pilots, and then will find a reason to learn math, physics, > meteorology, and even english (since they'll have to learn how to write in > their logbooks). All that, and more. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:36:40 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: New pics on WWI site Message-ID: <000701c07b0a$5df06960$6db58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Zelnick" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: New pics on WWI site > Greetings, > > Thanks to Al and Matt for replacing my first rogue's picture with one where > I look slightly more pleasant. Now Zulis and I could easily be mistaken for > identical twins, just like Schwarzenegger and DeVito. ;) > > Also, thanks for posting the pics of my Alb engine. This is my first > attempt at any sort of detailing, so I would appreciate any constructive > criticism. But please be gentle. ;) I know I have a lot to learn from the > masters on this list. > > Best wishes to all, > > Ken Zelnick Hi Ken, nice looking engine. On my Glencoe I covered it up...chicken to try what you did...that was the simple way out. On the twins thing, which one are you...Arnie or Danny? I can't remember which had the beard! ;-) Happy modeling! All the best, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:43:49 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Super scale loz Message-ID: Greetings all, a friend is giving me me a set of Superscale's 1:48 lozenge, upper and lower with tapes (haven't seen them yet so don't know if it's four- or five-colour loz.) anyone used this stuff? Thoughts recommendations, suggestions etc? Is it good, bad, too bright? If it's good stuff I'm hoping it will assist me in ridding me of my lozenge virginity. . . .gotta do it sometime I guess ;-) MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:05:22 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: And a New Computer Lives .... Message-ID: <005f01c07b0e$6060f760$6db58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Beamish" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:07 AM Subject: And a New Computer Lives .... > Glad to say a new computer has replaced "Ol' Reliable" which died shortly > after X-Mas. The E-Mail address is the same. Did I miss anything? Where's > the Eduard Camel? :-) > Dale Welcome home Dale, I've missed you. Better not wait for Eduard tho..get cracking! ;-) best regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:28:53 -0500 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Help with French Beige Message-ID: <003301c07b11$ab54dd60$70551a18@tampabay.rr.com> I'm not sure if this post made it through or not, but am trying again. Can anyone give me advice on the best ENAMEL for French Beige? The best match I've got in my paint stocks is Aeromaster Midstone, but it is just a touch yellower than the color reference I have. TIA Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:32:01 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Help with French Beige Message-ID: I'm sorry I can't help because I always just mix various shades of yellow, white and brown till it looks like the colour on the latest /best colour profile that I have. Nowadays the preferred one is in the FMP book, or WS. They always end slightly different to the previous one, which I think is a good thing. /Neil -----Original Message----- From: Jack Gartner [mailto:diaphus@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: den 10 januari 2001 15:30 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Help with French Beige I'm not sure if this post made it through or not, but am trying again. Can anyone give me advice on the best ENAMEL for French Beige? The best match I've got in my paint stocks is Aeromaster Midstone, but it is just a touch yellower than the color reference I have. TIA Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:40:47 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Help with French Beige Message-ID: <200101101440.GAA04770@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:30:02 -0500 (EST), Jack Gartner wrote: > Can anyone give me advice on the best ENAMEL for French Beige? The best > match I've got in my paint stocks is Aeromaster Midstone, but it is just a > touch yellower than the color reference I have. I can't help directly, but take a look at my French pages on the site. I list a Polly Scale color that's extremely close to the color chip I have (which was matched to Methuen references). You could use that to find a match at your local hobby store. Good luck! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:44:26 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Help with French Beige-2 Message-ID: Sorry Jack I may have misunderstood you, I was thinking of CDL, it's sort of beige. I looked up what I wrote to Jim Landon about this, hope this helps: I looked up my paint references, they were Windsock no.3 and 4 -88 (volume 4) and Windsock 1-99 (vol.15). The first are paint samples that are now regarded as doubtful, and the second is an article by Alberto Casirati about the Ni28, he gives Molak paint numbers. I read both articles then did my own thing, I actually based my colours on the FMP book French aircraft of WW1 - Davilla/Soltan, I reckoned thats the latest trend in french colours, being the newest. Here's my version: Methuen acc. to Windsock My paint mix ------------------------ -------------- Light Green 3E4, 2E4 Humbrol 86 Chestnut Brown 5E3, 5E4 , 6F5 1XRevell 383 (RAL8015) 1XHumbrol 142 Dark Green 29F4, 2F4 Humbrol 86 + black Beige 4C5,5D5 (I don't believe this) 3XHumbrol 62 2XHumbrol 28 1XHumbrol 86 Black Black I don't usually write up my mixes, I did it this time to correct the faults in WIndsock, I think their beige is much too light. I'm not at all scientific or dogmatic about this, I just mix till I think it looks right, and I hope you will do the same. FWIW/Neil -----Original Message----- From: Jack Gartner [mailto:diaphus@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: den 10 januari 2001 15:30 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Help with French Beige I'm not sure if this post made it through or not, but am trying again. Can anyone give me advice on the best ENAMEL for French Beige? The best match I've got in my paint stocks is Aeromaster Midstone, but it is just a touch yellower than the color reference I have. TIA Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:11:09 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Help with French Beige-2 Message-ID: <200101101511.HAA03615@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:51:07 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > I looked up my paint references, they were Windsock no.3 and 4 -88 > (volume 4) and Windsock 1-99 (vol.15). The first are paint samples > that are now regarded as doubtful, and the second is an article by > Alberto Casirati about the Ni28, he gives Molak paint numbers. I > read both articles then did my own thing, I actually based my colours > on the FMP book French aircraft of WW1 - Davilla/Soltan, I reckoned > thats the latest trend in french colours, being the newest. Here's > my version: One thing to keep in mind. Even with artists striving to match colors according to whatever reference, they're still bound by what the book printers do. Case in point is a Pfalz D.III in the JGI Special. It looks orange in the color profile when in fact it should be red. You can't trust color profiles as they appear in print. For that matter you can't trust them on your computer monitor, either. Unless you can get your graphics card to display in exactly the same way the artist's does, it's still only a guess. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:13:21 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Help with 1/48th decals Message-ID: Craig seeks a set of decal: "...squadron insignia for the USAAS 96th Areo Squadron in 1/48th scale?" IIRC, the K&B version of the Aurora Breguet kit had these markings, but even if they could be found, I'll wager that they are too big to use on 1/72. Otherwise... ziltch... bupkis... nada... rien... Another example of the crying need for a set of American squadron emblems (and numbers) in both scales. Of course, we need the French ones, too... and the Italian! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:22:36 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Help with French Beige-2 Message-ID: That's very true Matt, but what can you trust? Paint chips don't work very well for various reasons. Modern photos vary depending on light, correctness etc. B/W photos we've been through here a dozen times already in the half year I've been on the list. I think that profile painters do as good a job as they possibly can, I only choose the ones I respect, and seeing as I have to base my colours on something, why not a well done profile? /Neil One thing to keep in mind. Even with artists striving to match colors according to whatever reference, they're still bound by what the book printers do. Case in point is a Pfalz D.III in the JGI Special. It looks orange in the color profile when in fact it should be red. You can't trust color profiles as they appear in print. For that matter you can't trust them on your computer monitor, either. Unless you can get your graphics card to display in exactly the same way the artist's does, it's still only a guess. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:43:08 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: WW1 list OT Places of interest guide guide Message-ID: <000001c07b1c$09853740$fa0101c0@grahamh> Winnipeg, Manitoba - Western Canada Aviation Museum - 2 Gnome Monosuopape engines - working on a Liberty engined flying boat Brandon, Manitoba - Commenwealth A/C Training Museum - WWI artifacts and uniforms Calgary, Alberta - Calgary Aerospace Museum - Reproduction Sopwith Triplane GH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:03:10 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: OT Story was Kits for kids Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC0C@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com> Howdy, Shane's story reminded me of another re-enactment story I was told. I had a modeling acquaintance who also re-enacted American Civil War battles. He was explaining what a rotten weekend he'd had. First off the park where they were going to do their re-enactment was double booked. A whole slew of Trekkies in uniform had invaded. To make things worse, instead of trying to figure out who should stay and who should leave the Trekkies began pretending they had experienced some kind of time warp and wouldn't leave. There was also an altercation over who got to be Abe Lincoln. I think that's where he quit. A bunch of guys standing around in wool uniforms during the Texas summer. Sound like fun to you? Me neither. Build a model. Later! Brent -----Original Message----- At the last contest in that format we were sited adjacent to a group from a Meieval Re-enaction Society conducting some choreographed fights until someone let go of a wildly swinging bastard sword which (luckily) went in the opposite direction from where I and a group of about to be judges were standing (thereby failing to damage the models !). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:08:34 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Hannants Mail Order Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC0D@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com> Howdy! That is really wierd. There must be a certain personality that is required to build a huge hobby mail order company. I say this because you can replace the words Nigel with Jerry and Hannant's with Squadron in the paragraph below and you would have an accurate description of Squadron Mail Order. There are some really wild tales of Jerry's behavior. On the other hand he has always been very personable to me. If you work there you won't have to worry about the resin dust getting you. The second hand smoke will do you in. Later! Brent -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam [mailto:cbbs@almac.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hannants Mail Order The Hannants Colindale shop is staffed by a chapter of the National Front, who all suffer from (hopefully terminal) chronic chain smoking and always seem to have the 'flu. The Neanderthal brows furrow if you mention the concept of an aeroplane with two sets of wings and they try to work out if they should hit you for taking the p*ss. Sorry I didn't say all this before, John. Sandy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2963 **********************