WWI Digest 2957 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: How Many? by "Michael S. Alvarado" 2) Re: How Many? by David Fleming 3) Re: Sopwith Tabloid question by David Fleming 4) Re: Latest Site Updates and confusing Baracca /Ferrari by David Fleming 5) Re: Hannants Mail Order by "Michael Kendix" 6) Re: Nieuport 17 Status Update and Cockpit References by "Ken Acosta" 7) Eindekker Ribs by "Lance Krieg" 8) Re: Nieuport 17 Status Update Cellon panels by "Lance Krieg" 9) Re: Surgical wire by "TOM PLESHA" 10) Staaken Article from the 80's by Brent Theobald 11) Change of email address by "Nigel Rayner" 12) Re: Staaken Article from the 80's by David Fleming 13) Rosemont Hobby Shop by Todd Hayes 14) RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop by Shane Weier 15) Re: Plastic under the tree? by GRBroman@aol.com 16) Painting help :) by Rob & Sherry 17) Re: ot question: the whole nine yards by "Tom Solinski" 18) Re: Great Web Site! by "Steven M.Perry" 19) RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop by Rob & Sherry 20) Re: Modelbud Group Order Update by Morg17ms@aol.com 21) RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop by Todd Hayes 22) RE: Modelbud Group Order Update by Brent Theobald 23) Re: Surgical wire by Morg17ms@aol.com 24) RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop by Shane Weier 25) RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop by Shane Weier 26) Re: Modelbud Group Order Update by Morg17ms@aol.com 27) RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop by Rob & Sherry 28) Re: Tripe help for cookup by "Christopher Anderson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:19:36 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How Many? Message-ID: <3A5A3CF8.C6BB8246@bellatlantic.net> Ah sanity . . . it's such a fragile thing. First thing to go on this list. I love it. Alvie who must be stone cold sober sane for eight hours a day and refuses to be so for one minute more! CAUhlir@aol.com wrote: > --part1_9a.e778aae.278a9e56_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Of course not Shane.......sensible has never been my strong suit anyway...:) > > Candice > > --part1_9a.e778aae.278a9e56_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Of course not Shane.......sensible has never been my strong suit anyway...:) >
>
Candice > > --part1_9a.e778aae.278a9e56_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:23:27 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How Many? Message-ID: <3A5A3DDE.8C665F9F@dial.pipex.com> geoff-smith wrote: > David Fleming wrote: > > > > > Any one have any info on the RAF's HD3 ? It was serialed '2003' and was > > used at Grain for Floatation trials. I've only ever seen one reference & > > photo, in Air Enthusiast 49. > > > > the article implies that some testing was done for the French (Including a > > Voisin) so maybe it wasn't actually an 'RAF' plane. > > > > Dave > > Quite right, 2003 was an AW built BE2c. > > Geoff Although the article doesn't make this clear (And postulates on the W29 having a Be2 serial !!), I suspect 2003 is the French serial. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:30:00 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Tabloid question Message-ID: <3A5A3F68.1B40B290@dial.pipex.com> Crawford Neil wrote: > Recently Steve asked about the Sopwith Tabloid that bombed the Zep sheds > at Cologne. I found a couple of good references for early Sopwiths, > "Britains > first warplanes" by Jack Bruce, and an article in Air Enthusiast Quarterly > no.20. There is two pictures of no.394/167 in Britains first warplanes, but > on both the underwings are in shadow, on one which was taken by the germans > at Antwerp with a Be2a beside the Sopwith, the Be2a had no union-jacks. > Sorry this is little help, but maybe negative results may help you decide to > do whatever you like, no-one else knows either;-) > The same two photos appear in the Tabloid mini datafile, along with some of the Scheinder racer. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:31:37 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Latest Site Updates and confusing Baracca /Ferrari Message-ID: <3A5A3FC8.785C8A57@dial.pipex.com> Mark Shannon wrote: > Hmmm. > > A set of photos of the existing Eindekker, and they aren't at the right angle to count the ribs. piffle. > I may have others that aren't so well in focus - I'll check. What's the deal with the ribs ? And shouldn't that be pfiffile ? :-) D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:47:04 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hannants Mail Order Message-ID: >From: Craig Gavin > Now Great Models - now that's another story. Craig: Have you dealt with Great Models? Please elaborate if you can. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:47:26 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Status Update and Cockpit References Message-ID: Lance- I hadn't seen your in-progress shots before. With the exception of the leading edge, that's exactly what I'm doing to my center section. Yours turned out quite good. I havn't seen any clear pics that show the leading edge. It looks like the Nieuport Datafile Special is the next item on my "to-buy" list. As for the celon panel, I hadn't decided yet what I'll be doing, but Mark Shannon's guidance sure sounds solid. Before I get too much farther, I need to head over to the base wood shop and cut the wood for the "Krieg 2000" biplane jig. I'll let you know how it comes out. KA >>> lance.krieg@amerus.com 01/08/01 03:25PM >>> Ken: You might check the in-progress shots of my N.17 on the web site, which was constructed using the references you mentioned. I also opened up the center of the upper wing, as you plan to do. I will say this about the cockpit interior; almost nothing is visible on the completed model except the seat and the side walls, so spare yourself a lot of the work and concentrate on getting a couple of instruments to a jewel-like finish. Let me know what you plan to use for the Cellon panel, and how it comes out. I found that to be a surprisingly tricky part of the exercise. All of the references you mentioned are available through the library loan programs, but are largely superflous if you have the Albatros Nieuport special. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:51:00 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Eindekker Ribs Message-ID: Mark complains and they aren't : "...at the right angle to count the ribs. " If you have or are building the Eduard Eindekker in 1/48, count those ribs and add one to get the correct number for an E.III wing. Is this whart prompts the question? I never corrected the one I built, and I still feel guilty! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:58:10 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Status Update Cellon panels Message-ID: I ended up using a clear tape - Scotch brand - after I could not make various other clear cellophanes stick permanently - I even bought a pack of cigarettes, and don't smoke!. The height of simplicity... stick the tape on, then trim to size, and seal with paint/Future/varnish along the edge. I was afraid it would be too thick, but it looks OK, I think. The trickiest part - upon reaching that stage - was making sure that the sticky side was perfectly clean before applying. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:06:44 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Surgical wire Message-ID: <000d01c079c7$ac047540$ca414c0c@tom> I don't know about surgical wire, but I sometimes use .006 brass wire obtained from model RR supply shops. Tom P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Landon" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 1:25 PM Subject: Surgical wire > Hi Bill, (and list) > > Nice job on the two Siemens Schukert DIII's and the Roland. Interesting > that you sometimes build straight out of the box, and other times do > lots of mods. Just curious -- where does one obtain 0.005 surgical > wire? Is any other size available besides 0.005? -- since I'm always > working on giant scale stuff. I have seen you mention it before, and I > think other list members us it also. > > Jim Landon > List semi-member (unsubscribed so reply directly) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:05:19 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Staaken Article from the 80's Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EBFF@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com> Howdy! I'm interested in finding the Contrail Staaken build article found in Scale Models Magazine back in the early 1980's. I am most interested in the plans. Any help would be appreciated. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:42:56 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Change of email address Message-ID: <000001c079cc$b9b65f00$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi gang, Sorry but ot post - I have changed my email id to nigel@rosnar.demo.co.uk, so any of you that have me in address lists will need to update. Just got fed up with the terrible quality of Freeserve in the UK. As someone pointed out in a recent post, with ISPs you get what you pay for. To bring it more OT, a comment to whoever it was a few days back that was asking about Osterkamp's colour scheme on his EV. I remember some correspondence on this a couple of years back (at least) but couldn't find it in the archive. IIRC, some contributors felt that the balck/yellow stripes may not extend all the way round the fuselage and that 4 colour fabric may be visible underneath. But this is only a recollection of an increasingly confused person. Perhaps one of the contributors from that time might care to comment (if they are out there....) Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 23:27:36 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Staaken Article from the 80's Message-ID: <3A5A4CE8.57DDD855@dial.pipex.com> Brent Theobald wrote: > Howdy! > > I'm interested in finding the Contrail Staaken build article found in Scale > Models Magazine back in the early 1980's. I am most interested in the plans. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > part one in February 1982, part 2 in April 1982. I have part 1 to hand (6 pages, incl 1/144th plans & 1/72 plans for the wing lozenge, don't know if I havepart 2 or not - need to go into the pile of boxes.......... I can copy & send you the part 1 pages - I'm in the UK if you can't get them closer to hand. D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:03:08 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Rosemont Hobby Shop Message-ID: <20010109000308.66670.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone checked Barry's site recently? He's taking pre-orders on some new OT books by Schiffer. They look GOOD! TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:11:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017489E8@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd says: > Has anyone checked Barry's site recently? He's taking > pre-orders on some new OT books by Schiffer. They > look GOOD! Are you talking about that Pfalz rubbish? I heard that the profile artist left hairy leg marks all over them. Shane ;-) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:17:50 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Plastic under the tree? Message-ID: <76.6ad6fa6.278bb2ae@aol.com> In a message dated 1/4/2001 11:36:13 PM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > I don't blame WEM. They've basically provided plenty of material of all > sorts in the hope that you'll have enough to do it the way you believe is > right, a sort of manufacturers Dicta Ira These are my kind of people. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:18:17 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Painting help :) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010108191817.00849100@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Hey Ya'll ;) I have another general question for the group....Yes, here we go again! I have read posts that some do not use airbrushes. I am ready to paint my Toko Pfalz D.XII, I am planning the overall gray (grey?) scheme as on the box. I have yet to get an airbrush, so........is there a method of painting with a brush (using the called for Humbrol paint) that will yield a decent results? TIA Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:18:47 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: ot question: the whole nine yards Message-ID: <023801c079d1$bc4a8520$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> And ironically the refueling boom on the KC-135 is 27 feet long when fully extended (9 yardsa) Way OT but on the topic ----- Original Message ----- From: Brent Theobald To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: RE: ot question: the whole nine yards > Howdy, > > Urban legend, good story or the truth? I don't know. Here is the story as it > has been told to me. > > During WWII machine gun belts came in 9 yard lengths. A pilot would shoot > "the whole nine yards" at a target during target practice. Meaning he shot > until he was out of bullets. > > So it concerns aircraft and is therefore somewhat OT. > > Later! > > Brent > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 1:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: ot question: the whole nine yards > > > Sorry, this is an ot question but I'm sure that any of the english speakers > here can solve this small mistery we have here (we're in a middle of an > idiomatic discussion here) > What's the exact meaning of the idiom "The whole nine yards"? Is there any > type of story behind this expression? > Please answer me off list to dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar > Thanks a lot in advance > D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:24:15 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Great Web Site! Message-ID: <005d01c079d2$81b9bba0$03f0aec7@default> > Howdy! > > This is great! I hope some of those kids learn something and remember it. > Maybe they will even become interested in history and aviation. > > Good work I have a couple of Esci kits I'd donate. If here are enough others with spare Escis or the like, maybe we could send a kit to each kid in the class. There are only 10. Maybe include a couple of paragraphs written about a pilot who flew an aircraft of that type. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:23:46 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010108192346.00851300@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Hey Shane, It may be the rum talking, but, Hairy leg marks? LOL!?! Rob At 07:21 PM 1/8/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Are you talking about that Pfalz rubbish? > >I heard that the profile artist left hairy leg marks all over them. > >Shane > >;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >********************************************************************** >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is >intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or >copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to >forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the >MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > >e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au >phone: Australia 1800500646 >********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:25:49 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelbud Group Order Update Message-ID: Brent I must have had a brain fart or something - missed what the order is ordering. Can you remind me? Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:30:04 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop Message-ID: <20010109003004.91309.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Shane, Oh no! Two books to be released in February. One is British unit markings and the other is on pre-war British a/c. Todd --- Shane Weier wrote: > Todd says: > > > > Has anyone checked Barry's site recently? He's > taking > > pre-orders on some new OT books by Schiffer. They > > look GOOD! > > Are you talking about that Pfalz rubbish? > > I heard that the profile artist left hairy leg marks > all over them. > > Shane > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:35:48 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Modelbud Group Order Update Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EC02@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com> Hey, no problem! Go to: http://www.modelbud.inet.krakow.pl/ Be patient the pages load a little slowly. Surf around a little. If there is something you think you want to order send me an to me email at: theobat1@airmail.net That's the house address. I'm at work right now. Anyhow, let me know what you want and then send me a check. I'll order everything and distribute it once it arrives. Happy Hunting! Brent -----Original Message----- From: Morg17ms@aol.com [mailto:Morg17ms@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Modelbud Group Order Update Brent I must have had a brain fart or something - missed what the order is ordering. Can you remind me? Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:37:35 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Surgical wire Message-ID: <46.efb41fb.278bb74f@aol.com> You can get 0.005" wire from Small Parts Inc, and 0.004" is sometimes available from Sopwith Hobbies. I too would like to find a supplier of larger amounts of the 0.004" stuff. I have a few yards of copper wire down to 0.002", 0.001" and even 0.0005" but can't find any more. The latter to sizes are too fagile anyway. Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:41:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017489E9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Rob, > It may be the rum talking, but, Hairy leg marks? LOL!?! Why are you drinking rum at this time of day ? Never mind the hairy legs, he's a fine profile artist if a somewhat dubious guitarist ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:46:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017489EA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd says: > Oh no! Two books to be released in February. One is > British unit markings and the other is on pre-war > British a/c. Uh-oh. May be a *different* artist? I can't keep up with them, they breed like possums Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:48:11 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelbud Group Order Update Message-ID: <92.ebda87a.278bb9cb@aol.com> Thanks Brent - I'll pass on an order now - I'm sticking to 1:48 stuff. Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:53:39 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Rosemont Hobby Shop Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010108195339.007b0cb0@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Hey Shane, Spend a day with my 3 kids and you wonder why I waited untill 7:30 pm to start on the rum ;) Rob At 07:46 PM 1/8/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Rob, > >> It may be the rum talking, but, Hairy leg marks? LOL!?! > >Why are you drinking rum at this time of day ? > >Never mind the hairy legs, he's a fine profile artist if a somewhat dubious >guitarist ;-) > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >********************************************************************** >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is >intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or >copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to >forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the >MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > >e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au >phone: Australia 1800500646 >********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:02:43 -0500 From: "Christopher Anderson" To: Subject: Re: Tripe help for cookup Message-ID: <000c01c079d7$dfb6c2c0$2622453f@canderson> Shane, Yes, it's the one packaged with the godawful Albatros-like thing. Maybe I'll use it as a project to build with my nephew! (If he ever shows any interest) So the Tripe would be the Eduard without extras - isn't there a set for the Tripe by Tom's Modelworks? A curious release; wonder what prompted Smer and Eduard to do that? There are other ot 'dogfight' packages around, I think it is another variation of various 'retro' efforts. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: RE: Tripe help for cookup >Chris, > >> I already have the Smer - is this a reissue of the Aurora, >> and how much work >> would it need to bring it up to standard? > >Was this kit in a double? If so it *is* the Eduard kit IIRC. > >Shane > > > > > > > > >********************************************************************** >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is >intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or >copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to >forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the >MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > >e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au >phone: Australia 1800500646 >********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2957 **********************