WWI Digest 2956

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Tripe help for cookup
	by "Graham Hunter" <ghunter@pangea.ca>
  2) ot question: the whole nine yards
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  3) Re: Hannants Mail Order
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
  4) RE: ot question: the whole nine yards
	by Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
  5) Re: British Albatros Question
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
  6) Re: ot question: the whole nine yards
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
  7) Re: Hannants Mail Order
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
  8) Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many?
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
  9) Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many?
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
 10) Thanks a lot!
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 11) Wireless gear in Salmson observer's office
	by "Jim Landon" <thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com>
 12) Re: Poly Scale French Beige
	by "Ken Acosta" <KACOSTA@colsa.com>
 13) Whole slew of updates
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 14) RE: Poly Scale French Beige
	by james.d.landon@lmco.com
 15) Nieuport 17 Status Update and Cockpit References
	by "Ken Acosta" <KACOSTA@colsa.com>
 16) Re: Whole slew of updates
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
 17) Re: Whole slew of updates
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 18) RE: List meeting Down Under
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 19) Re: Nieuport 17 Status Update and Cockpit References
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 20) Small scale, big idea
	by "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 21) Re: Baracca and Ferrari
	by "Alberto Casirati" <alberto.casirati@inwind.it>
 22) Re: How Many?
	by geoff-smith <geoff-smith@ntlworld.com>
 23) Ebay and models
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 24) Re: Cellon area for Nieuport 17 center section:
	by "Mark Shannon" <mshannon@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
 25) Re: Latest Site Updates and confusing Baracca /Ferrari
	by "Mark Shannon" <mshannon@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
 26) Re: Hannants Mail Order
	by Craig Gavin <cgavin@ipa.net>
 27) Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many?
	by Craig Gavin <cgavin@ipa.net>

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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:26:35 -0600
From: "Graham Hunter" <ghunter@pangea.ca>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Tripe help for cookup
Message-ID: <000201c079a8$ebe20a20$fa0101c0@grahamh>

-----Original Message-----
Christopher Anderson
<If I decide to start out with a better kit, are the 3 Eduard <offerings
basically the same except for decals, skis, etc.? Would <the profipack
version extras be worth the extra couple of bucks?

The Smer kit is the Eduard mold (as stated by other list members), the
"Hilda/Maud" kit comes with PE, the Black Flight kit has a better PE set
than the "H/M" kit and a resin later tailplane option and the Profipack has
the skis and a very good resin Clerget engine. If you plan on getting one of
the Eduard kits I'd go for the Profipack.
You might want to try the Aerospace museum in Calgary, Alberta as they have
been working on a reproduction of the Tripe.
Regards, Graham H.


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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:28:57 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: ot question: the whole nine yards
Message-ID: <08a601c079a9$3f4cb700$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Sorry, this is an ot question but I'm sure that any of the english speakers
here can solve this small mistery we have here (we're in a middle of an
idiomatic discussion here)
What's the exact meaning of the idiom "The whole nine yards"? Is there any
type of story behind this expression?
Please answer me off list to dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar
Thanks a lot in advance
D.


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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:34:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Hannants Mail Order
Message-ID: <20010108193446.50186.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com>

Michael,

Maybe some businesses simply get too big for their own
good?  Aeroclub gives very commendable service. 
Squadron's service frequently leaves much to be
desired too.  I've never ordered from NKR, but I've
heard nothing but good things about them.  I like
smaller stores.  They need the business and appreciate
their customers.

Todd

--- Michael Kendix <mkendix@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
> 
> >I've only ordered from Hannants once and wasn't too
> >pleased with the experience.
> 
> I don't usually order 30 quid's worth of kits from
> one place, so I'll 
> probably never meet their minimum requirement.  I
> think $50 for a minimum 
> order is excessive but that's their business
> (literally, I suppose).  I 
> don't think much these days of vendors who don't
> respond rapidly to emails.  
> Even Squadron, who took too long to send my stuff,
> responded fairly rapidly 
> to my email, and they have at least as many business
> orders as hannants. 
> Earl down at NKR Models responded within a couple of
> hours; admittedly, he's 
> a smaller business.
> 
> To respond to Dave Burke's mentioning of Hannant's
> lower price for non-EU 
> business - the reason is that 17.5% Value Addedd Tax
> (VAT) is charged on EU 
> business, but not outside the EU.  So, Hannants and
> get this sizeable break 
> on what they have to charge, which makes their 30
> pound minimum appear even 
> more excessive.
> 
> Finally, when I visited in person, I was not
> impresssed with their Colindale 
> retail outlet.  It was fairly large but he people
> there weren't particularly 
> friendly and at least one of them smoked, which I
> didn't like.
> 
> Michael
> 
> P.S. Len - I know you smoked when I visited but you
> asked if it was Ok. It 
> was your flat, you cooked me lunch and you were most
> friendly:)
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:38:40 -0600 
From: Brent Theobald <btheobal@sta.samsung.com>
To: "'dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar'" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
Cc: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: ot question: the whole nine yards
Message-ID: <4B9386E83999D411997100508BAF206A79EBFD@stamail.telecom.sna.samsung.com>

Howdy,

Urban legend, good story or the truth? I don't know. Here is the story as it
has been told to me.

During WWII machine gun belts came in 9 yard lengths. A pilot would shoot
"the whole nine yards" at a target during target practice. Meaning he shot
until he was out of bullets.

So it concerns aircraft and is therefore somewhat OT.

Later!

Brent
-----Original Message-----
From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: ot question: the whole nine yards


Sorry, this is an ot question but I'm sure that any of the english speakers
here can solve this small mistery we have here (we're in a middle of an
idiomatic discussion here)
What's the exact meaning of the idiom "The whole nine yards"? Is there any
type of story behind this expression?
Please answer me off list to dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar
Thanks a lot in advance
D.

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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:40:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: British Albatros Question
Message-ID: <20010108194009.50932.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com>

Dave,

The only other refernce I've seen to other W series
Albatroses is a W.1 in Marty Digmayer's prop catalog. 
If he says it existed, it probably did.  No data or
photographs, just the reference.

Todd

--- David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> Did Albatros do floatplanes other than the W4, in
> particular any with
> more than 1 seat. Air Enthusiast 41 has an article
> on the Isle of Grain,
> which includes the following text:
> 
> "Foreign aircraft captured from the enemy were also
> flown at Grain,
> including H-B W33 2670 (Note - actually W29) and an
> Albatros seaplane,
> the latter written off in a crash while Flt Lt Moore
> was giving a
> demonstration of aerobatics over a cruiser anchored
> in Sheerness
> Harbour. Bill harmsworth also remembers flying in
> the Albatros W4
> seaplane"
> 
> It then contains a quote in which Mr Harmsworh talks
> about flying in the
> plane with Lt Goodwin with a disfunctional elevator.
> 
> Any thoughts? The MDF on the W4 makes no mention of
> any in the UK.
> 
> 


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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:52:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: ot question: the whole nine yards
Message-ID: <20010108195206.52630.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com>

D.,

It essentially means to go as far as possible in doing
something.

Todd

--- dfernet0 <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar> wrote:
> Sorry, this is an ot question but I'm sure that any
> of the english speakers
> here can solve this small mistery we have here
> (we're in a middle of an
> idiomatic discussion here)
> What's the exact meaning of the idiom "The whole
> nine yards"? Is there any
> type of story behind this expression?
> Please answer me off list to dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar
> Thanks a lot in advance
> D.
> 


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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:55:00 
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Hannants Mail Order
Message-ID: <F251ot0OUIHNkjgJKVA00002d7a@hotmail.com>

>From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
>
>Maybe some businesses simply get too big for their own
>good?

Possibly, though I suspect Squadron and Hannants are solvent businesses.  No 
doubt, there are diseconomies of scale associated with organizing large 
quantities of sales.

Where these large companies come into their own is their ability to sell at 
lower prices.  Their large size gives them significant market power when 
buying from manufacturers; a similar situation occurs for large Drug Store 
(chemists) chains like CVS (Boots) purchasing from drug companies.  They do 
not necessarily pass these savings onto the consumer (us) but they may.  
Large companies are always seeking to increase profit margins by seeking 
such monoplies on sales and distribution.  For example, a large U.S. 
distributor of model kits may require that a foreign manufacturer give them 
exclusive US distribution rights.

Monopolies tend to sell fewer goods and charge higher prices.  Their 
monopoly position also allows them to dole out a certain amount of "Take it 
or leave it" guff to their customers.  In contrast, small companies are 
frequently operating on thin margins and must be really nice to customers in 
order to maintain their business.  In such as setting, successful small 
business tend to be run by "nice" people who are naturally selected to 
survive in such an environment.

Michael



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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:56:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many?
Message-ID: <20010108195639.45551.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com>

Dave,

Doesn't it seem that there is no kit as interesting as
the one you've just got?  Leads to compression - too
many kits, not enough work space!

Todd
--- DAVID BURKE <dora9@sprynet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > <grin> That's the "I wanna buildbuildbuild" virus
> which is also affecting
> me
> > sometimes. It's always best to avoid the workbench
> area and put the new
> kit
> > onto the pile of other kits on the shelf
> immediately after coming hom. Do
> > NOT look at it again for the next 13 months or so.
> 
> I am packing up all of my HUGE accumulation of kits
> and stuff in preparation
> for moving.  First:  I have an enormous burden of
> stuff - about the same
> size and selection as a good hobby shop.  Second: 
> about 30+ partially-built
> kits!  So I am storing them as delicately as
> possible and saving all of the
> loose parts!  Once I get re-settled, I'm gonna have
> a big sale (mostly ot -
> I wouldn't DARE part with my OT kits! - no reason
> why I can't do 10
> Nie.17's!).  But I'm kinda down looking at all of
> these projects that 'fell
> by the wayside'.  Some are unsalvageable - they get
> pitched.  I hate
> throwing them away, but what else would I do with
> them?
> 
> However, this also means that I'm finding lots of
> missing pieces like the
> parts to my Hannover!  Also stuff for other models. 
> Still have days to go
> though to get it all cleaned up!  And packed!
> 
> 
> DB
> 


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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:59:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many?
Message-ID: <20010108195940.32219.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com>

Gaston,

It's a transmittable disease.  My dad gave it to me.

Todd

--- Gaston Graf <ggraf@vo.lu> wrote:
> <grin> That's the "I wanna buildbuildbuild" virus
> which is also affecting me
> sometimes. It's always best to avoid the workbench
> area and put the new kit
> onto the pile of other kits on the shelf immediately
> after coming hom. Do
> NOT look at it again for the next 13 months or so.
> I often take the assembly plan out of the box and
> take the plan together
> with some books to work to study for possible and/or
> necessary
> superdetailing. At work I sometimes find time for
> that when I am waiting for
> a freight train to arrive or being composed for me
> to haul somewhere between
> France and Belgium. Also I do the rough work
> sometimes at work - sanding and
> cutting plus some of the assembly.
> 
> One of the nicest moments in modeling is it to open
> the kit, carefully
> taking the platic bags out with the parts inside....
> taking a sniff of the
> wonderful smell of fresh plastic...
> 
> Oh I forgot to mention that I also started to build
> the Titanic 1/350th from
> Academy about one year ago. I got it started because
> it is such a wonderful
> kit...
> 
> And the kit which I will never build is the PBY
> Catalina 1/72 of the series
> 2 from Airfix. This was the very first kit of my
> life which I build at the
> age of 8 - yes I am of the Airfix generation. I was
> nuts for aircraft and
> wanted to get one of those that I saw in the window
> of a paintshop. My dad
> bought it for me, I openend to box and feld very
> disappointed to find only
> parts inside, which did not look  like the beautiful
> picture on the cardbox.
> But then I liked the feeling to examine the parts,
> took them out of the box,
> and from that day on the virus of modeling had
> infected me. There is no cure
> so far... So I had to assemble the parts myself and
> because I did not know
> yet what to do with the decals I cut them out of the
> sheet and glued them
> onto the model instead of solving them in water...
> 
> About 14 years ago I found excactly this model at
> the IMPS Flanders Contest
> in Antwerp, Belgium. I bought it immediately and
> opened the box... and feld
> myself like travelling back in time to that day
> where I was 8 years.
> Wonderful!
> 
> ooops.........gotta run, forgot the time
> 
>  Gaston Graf
> (ggraf@vo.lu)
> Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke"
> at:
> http://www.jastaboelcke.de
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
> [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
> > dfernet0
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 11:34 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: RE: How Many?
> >
> >
> > I can't say...
> > I usualy start a new model if I'm in the mood, and
> almost every new kit I
> > get is de-sprued as soon as it gets near the
> workbench. This summer, as I
> > feel too cranky with hot weather to do detail
> work, I packed my almost
> > finished Albatros and Taube for a while and got
> out some vacs and other
> > projects for 2001 to sand fuselage interiors and
> cut pieces from styrene
> > sheets (and ruin the wings, while at it).
> > So far, I've sanded about 4 kit fuselages and cut
> out 3 vac kits. After
> > that, I usually box them away and keep them for
> rainy days. As much as I
> > enjoy building tiny details, if the temperature
> rises over 25ºC
> > and the sun
> > shines outside I can't bear to do dials 1mm wide!
> > D.
> >
> >
> 


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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:00:20 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Thanks a lot!
Message-ID: <090001c079ad$a17e83a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Lance, Todd, Brent!
thanks a lot for the answers! The discussion here is solved and I won!!!!!!
I love the stories related to the idiom. They all make sense.
Thanks again
D.


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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:08:40 
From: "Jim Landon" <thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Wireless gear in Salmson observer's office
Message-ID: <F73ugosMj1wdAwieX6x000059b2@hotmail.com>

Dudes,

A while back I posted a message asking for help in identifying the 
electrical components in a photo of the Salmson observer's office.  Thanks 
everybody who tried to help.  Since then I discovered that I could scan 
small areas of the photo at 1200 dpi and bring out more detail.  I also have 
written up some of what people have told me.  For anybody who gives a crap 
(I see two hands way in the back), go back to the original photo (click on 
link), read the changes to the text there, then click on "Next" to see the 
12 new pics and stories.  
http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=show_photo&ID_Community=Salmson2A2&ID_Topic=7&ID_Message=217

Thanks,
Jim Landon
Resident Idiot




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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:24:43 -0600
From: "Ken Acosta" <KACOSTA@colsa.com>
To: <James.D.Landon@lmco.com>, <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Poly Scale French Beige
Message-ID: <sa59cdbb.009@pluto.colsa.com>

>>> James.D.Landon@lmco.com 01/08/01 12:35PM >>>

"...who sells Poly Scale 'French Beige'?"

SMO sells it.
KA


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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:56:03 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Whole slew of updates
Message-ID: <200101082056.MAA19696@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

When it rains, it pours!

I added another model to Bill Arnold's page.  Another model to Bob
Laskodi's page.  Ken Zelnick now has his own area (and Rogue shot). 
Finally, thanks to Dave Fleming, I added some Fokker E.III images to
the Photos area.

<phew>

Excellent job, one and all!


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)



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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:59:22 -0700
From: james.d.landon@lmco.com
To: KACOSTA@colsa.com
Cc: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: Poly Scale French Beige
Message-ID: <D9C73B56157BD411B7540008C7E6647A43F164@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com>

Thanks.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Ken Acosta [mailto:KACOSTA@colsa.com] 
Sent:	Monday, January 08, 2001 1:25 PM
To:	James.D.Landon@lmco.com; wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject:	Re: Poly Scale French Beige

>>> James.D.Landon@lmco.com 01/08/01 12:35PM >>>

"...who sells Poly Scale 'French Beige'?"

SMO sells it.
KA

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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:02:06 -0600
From: "Ken Acosta" <KACOSTA@colsa.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Nieuport 17 Status Update and Cockpit References
Message-ID: <sa59d67e.060@pluto.colsa.com>

Progress with the ProfiPack 17 has been OK so far, just slow (as anticipated).  I'm modifying the open upper wing center section in an effort to capture the delicate exposed structure of Lufbery's original.  I've studied the rigging diagrams in the kit instructions and compared them with photos and drawings in the Datafile.  The instructions missed a couple of the wires, but cross-referencing cleared this up.  Once comfortable with the setup, I marked and drilled out the rigging holes.  Last night I began studying the cockpit area and my Datafile left me with several question marks floating overhead.  I wanted to post a quick request on the List for good Ni.17 cockpit references, but in anticipation of Matt's obligatory "check the site" response, I checked the site and got some good steers.  Soooooo, here's the streamlined version of my request:  Where can a guy find back issues of "WWI Aero" (Issue 110), "Windsock" (Vol 05, No. 04), and "Over the Front" (Vol 03, No. 03)?
TIA-
KA


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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:04:49 
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Whole slew of updates
Message-ID: <F60RGkQ6mBySsxVY60m00011917@hotmail.com>

>From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>

>Ken Zelnick now has his own area (and Rogue shot).

For sure you mixed up Zelnick and Zulis pictures:)!

Michael
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:13:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Whole slew of updates
Message-ID: <200101082113.QAA20651@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> >From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
> >Ken Zelnick now has his own area (and Rogue shot).
> For sure you mixed up Zelnick and Zulis pictures:)!

Don't blame Matt on that one - I was the drunk behind the keyboard! 
Cut-and-Paste error corrected!

-Allan

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:10:46 +1000 
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: List meeting Down Under
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017489E2@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Lance says:

> Various Aussies have supplied a Sydney-Adelaide iternary and 
> make the trip sound like a visit to the "Mad Max" set.

HEY ! This is cheating. You've actually been there :-)

> 
> But go south along the coastal range to Woolongong, thence to 
(snip itinerary)
> I'm moonlighting as a QANTAS fly-and-drive representative.
> 

Doing a good job too. That's not a bad route from the one end to the other.
Volkers is good too - not through deserted nowheres as Cam would have it,
but through the area along the Murray and Murrumbidgee Rivers with their
history of paddlewheelers and a present based on irrigated farmland growing
everything from rice to cherries  - and near the Adelaide end  one of our
largest wine making areas with a strong German heritage.

.....and not a black clad road warrior in sight :-)

Shane










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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:20:06 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Status Update and Cockpit References
Message-ID: <sa59dac0.015@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Ken:

You might check the in-progress shots of my N.17 on the web site, which was constructed using the references you mentioned.  I also opened up the center of the upper wing, as you plan to do.

I will say this about the cockpit interior; almost nothing is visible on the completed model except the seat and the side walls, so spare yourself a lot of the work and concentrate on getting a couple of instruments to a jewel-like finish.

Let me know what you plan to use for the Cellon panel, and how it comes out.  I found that to be a surprisingly tricky part of the exercise.

All of the references you mentioned are available through the library loan programs, but are largely superflous if you have the Albatros Nieuport special.

Lance


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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:39:41 -0500
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Small scale, big idea
Message-ID: <006701c079bb$83d51900$32f0aec7@default>

> Actually I plan on replacing the wing with a Rosemont vac blank.  I
> don't trust that resin wing at all with only those middle struts

Brilliant. I have an HR Type L to do for Auggie Blume in Estonian colors
IIRC. I built the Eduard Type L and with structural rigging (each wire from
fuse, thru wing, over kingpost, thru wing and back to opposite fuse side),
it was remarkably sturdy. The HR kit is smaller and so should be even
stronger if bamboo struts are used in place of the resin ones. My worry was
packing and mailing it. My method supports the model by the wing and  that
ain't gonna work no how, no way for a Type L. But with a Vac wing (I have a
set of Rosemont blanks), I can support the fuselage and the wing will be so
light it will ride unsupported. Thanks I been wanting to do that one too, I
just love Type Ls.

sp


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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:36:13 +0100
From: "Alberto Casirati" <alberto.casirati@inwind.it>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Baracca and Ferrari
Message-ID: <005101c079bb$b1ab1b40$360a623e@s>

There are different versions of this story.

The most credible is the one which tells that it was Francesco Baracca's
**mother** who gave to Enzo Ferrari the permission to use the rampant horse
as his racing cars team's emblem.

AFAIK, F.Baracca never got married.

All the very best,

Alberto


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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:30:12 +0000
From: geoff-smith <geoff-smith@ntlworld.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: How Many?
Message-ID: <3A5A3164.2BAA06AF@ntlworld.com>

David Fleming wrote:

> 
> Any one have any info on the RAF's HD3 ? It was serialed '2003' and was
> used at Grain for Floatation trials. I've only ever seen one reference &
> photo, in Air Enthusiast 49.
> 
> the article implies that some testing was done for the French (Including a
> Voisin) so maybe it wasn't actually an 'RAF' plane.
> 
> Dave

Quite right, 2003 was an AW built BE2c.

Geoff


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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:46:54 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Ebay and models
Message-ID: <200101082146.NAA11923@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Go here:

http://cgi6.ebay.netscape.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=worj&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25

This person has a ton of 1/72nd on topic vacs for bid.  There's a lot to wade through, but you may find something you've been looking for.



Matt Bittner



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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:48:39 -0600
From: "Mark Shannon" <mshannon@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Cellon area for Nieuport 17 center section:
Message-ID: <sa59e169.023@smtpgate.tnrcc.state.tx.us>

On my Guynemer Nieuport, I replicated the Celon by sticking the cellophane from a pack of playing cards (better if you can get the stuff from a pack of cigarettes, it's thinner, but don't smoke the pack contents) using varnish as the glue.  I tried using Future as the glue, but it doesn't give any working time when you are trying to get a thin coat.  You can try spot-welding the corners with the non-fuming CA after treating the interior sections of the cell with Future to prevent chlorosis, then sealling in the edges with the Future to get rid of the slight step, similar to decals.

I used the outline of the opening generated by airbrushing the center section over a 3X5 card as a pattern for the window size.  Since the material is essentially free, a little trial and error will give you the desired overlay all around the opening.

Anyway, a final touch over with a mixture of Polly-Scale Clear Satin mixed with Future gave the slightly frosted look of cellon that had seen some service and gave the same look to the general finish.  I finished that plane about two years ago, and haven't seen any signs that there will be a problem with the cellophane lifting, shrinking, or otherwise deteriorating.  It might yellow a bit, but that should be in keeping with the originals.

.Mark.

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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:10:53 -0600
From: "Mark Shannon" <mshannon@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Latest Site Updates and confusing Baracca /Ferrari
Message-ID: <sa59e6a0.093@smtpgate.tnrcc.state.tx.us>

Hmmm.

A set of photos of the existing Eindekker, and they aren't at the right angle to count the ribs.  piffle.

Beautiful Strutter, Bob, and a great dinky scale Roland, Bill,and good luck on Navratil's 251.116, Ken -- you'll need it with that Glencoe kit, though you can eventually carve out something that looks remarkable like an Albatros D.III (Oeffag) if you work at it long and hard enough.  The engine looks real good.

And on Baracca, I've seen it listed as widow, fiance, or mother, depending on which source you want to read.   I also don't even know if Baracca and Ferrari ever lived in the same town, but I've heard the hero worship variant, too.  I guess the only sure fact we have is that Ferrari was given permission by the Baracca family to use the symbol on the race cars he drove, and Enzo extended it to his own factory's designs.

.Mark.  

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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:17:20 -0600
From: Craig Gavin <cgavin@ipa.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Hannants Mail Order
Message-ID: <B67F97C0.5429%cgavin@ipa.net>

John - While I can sympathize with you ("been there, done that" with other
vendors) I have to say that I've been buying from Hannants off and on for
over ten years and have always received excellent service.  True, their
minimum order policy is a pain! And I wish they'd re-think their position,
especially as applied to their "big sale events" that requires a minimum
purchase of $75 USD.  But in fairness to Hannants, their site does offers a
special warning screen during the on-line ordering process that attempts to
alert buyers of their policy .  However, you'll never go wrong using
Rosemont, Roll Models, or Sierra Scale from my experience.  Can't vouch for
CSM as I'm passionately devoted to the one "true scale" and so far Eric
seems to only support the 1/48th heretics ;-)  Now Great Models - now that's
another story.  Best regards - Craig Gavin

> From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com
> Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:30:13 -0500 (EST)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Hannants Mail Order
> 
> 
> Hi Folks,
> Has anyone here in the states been able to do business with these BOZOS????
> I sent an order via email to them over a month ago based on a post from
> Sandy Adam listing a couple of BM kits that were on sale.  The next day, I
> received a confirmation saying that they received my order and give them 2
> weeks to process. Fair enough. After almost 4 weeks with no order, I
> emailed them to inquire as to my order status and received a very terse
> reply saying my order didn't meet their minimum full-price merchandise
> requirements!!! Apparently, those of us overseas get GOUGED for the
> privilige of doing business with Hannants. My order was for approx 33
> pounds(over their already high 30 pound min, or so I thought), but becuase
> it included 24pounds of sale merchandise, I would have to add 22pounds of
> regular priced merchandise!!! And, to boot, I had to wait 4 weeks to find
> this out, after they CONFIRMED my order. Wonderful customer service. I have
> emailed Hannants and told them I will no longer do business with them. Any
> company that displays this piss-poor customer service and then refuses my
> business, doesn't get it in the future.
> 
> Since joining this list, I have had nothing but pleasant experiences with
> all of the vendors that have been recommended or spoken about on this list.
> NKR, Copper State, Rosemont, Blue Max/Pegasus, Sierra, Roll, heck even
> Squadron has redeemed themselves to me!!! But, Hannants is the first
> company I have ever done business with in this market that has ever refused
> my business and been rude to boot. My recommendation: Don't do business
> with Hannants.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 


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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:29:02 -0600
From: Craig Gavin <cgavin@ipa.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many?
Message-ID: <B67F9B4D.5432%cgavin@ipa.net>

David - Moving has to be right up their on the list along with root canals
at the dentist and an IRS audit.  Don't sell any of your OT collections.
Remeber: "He who dies with the most kits wins." (Just kidding!)  My deepest
sympathy on your impending move - Craig Gavin Ý

> From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
> Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:49:26 -0500 (EST)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many?
> 
> 
> 
>> <grin> That's the "I wanna buildbuildbuild" virus which is also affecting
> me
>> sometimes. It's always best to avoid the workbench area and put the new
> kit
>> onto the pile of other kits on the shelf immediately after coming hom. Do
>> NOT look at it again for the next 13 months or so.
> 
> I am packing up all of my HUGE accumulation of kits and stuff in preparation
> for moving.  First:  I have an enormous burden of stuff - about the same
> size and selection as a good hobby shop.  Second:  about 30+ partially-built
> kits!  So I am storing them as delicately as possible and saving all of the
> loose parts!  Once I get re-settled, I'm gonna have a big sale (mostly ot -
> I wouldn't DARE part with my OT kits! - no reason why I can't do 10
> Nie.17's!).  But I'm kinda down looking at all of these projects that 'fell
> by the wayside'.  Some are unsalvageable - they get pitched.  I hate
> throwing them away, but what else would I do with them?
> 
> However, this also means that I'm finding lots of missing pieces like the
> parts to my Hannover!  Also stuff for other models.  Still have days to go
> though to get it all cleaned up!  And packed!
> 
> 
> DB
> 


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