WWI Digest 2955 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: MoS dilemma by Jan Vihonen 2) Hannants Mail Order by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 3) Avions OT content by Crawford Neil 4) Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many? by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: Great Web Site! by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: ot night space picture of the globe by Zulis@aol.com 7) Re: MoS dilemma by "Bob Pearson" 8) Re: MoS dilemma by David Fleming 9) Re: How Many? by David Fleming 10) Re: Hannants Mail Order by "DAVID BURKE" 11) British Albatros Question by David Fleming 12) Re: ot night space picture of the globe by "DAVID BURKE" 13) Re: List meeting Down Under by "Bob Pearson" 14) RE: How Many? by Crawford Neil 15) Re:Sopwith Tabloid question by Crawford Neil 16) RE: How Many? by Crawford Neil 17) Sopwith house colours? by Crawford Neil 18) RE: MoS dilemma by Crawford Neil 19) Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many? by "Dale Sebring" 20) Re: List meeting Down Under by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 21) Curtiss N9 by "Lance Krieg" 22) Re: Curtiss N9 by "aa8." 23) RE: ot night space picture of the globe by "dfernet0" 24) Re: MoS dilemma by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 25) RE: PE Parts Set by "Ray Boorman" 26) Surgical wire by Jim Landon 27) Poly Scale French Beige by Jim Landon 28) Re: Hannants Mail Order by Todd Hayes 29) RE: List meeting Down Under by "Lance Krieg" 30) Re: Poly Scale French Beige by "Michael Kendix" 31) Re: Hannants Mail Order by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:06:50 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MoS dilemma Message-ID: <3A59D789.87A40BC9@helsinki.fi> Matt Bittner wrote: > No, Rosemont makes a set of vac wing "blanks" that can be used for > almost anything. They're great for either this type of task (replacing > a wing) or for an easy way out of scratchbuilding. Highly recommended! > Wow. That sounds useful. Great idea from them. I supose I'm going to need that. Thanks for info, Matt. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:25:14 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hannants Mail Order Message-ID: Hi Folks, Has anyone here in the states been able to do business with these BOZOS???? I sent an order via email to them over a month ago based on a post from Sandy Adam listing a couple of BM kits that were on sale. The next day, I received a confirmation saying that they received my order and give them 2 weeks to process. Fair enough. After almost 4 weeks with no order, I emailed them to inquire as to my order status and received a very terse reply saying my order didn't meet their minimum full-price merchandise requirements!!! Apparently, those of us overseas get GOUGED for the privilige of doing business with Hannants. My order was for approx 33 pounds(over their already high 30 pound min, or so I thought), but becuase it included 24pounds of sale merchandise, I would have to add 22pounds of regular priced merchandise!!! And, to boot, I had to wait 4 weeks to find this out, after they CONFIRMED my order. Wonderful customer service. I have emailed Hannants and told them I will no longer do business with them. Any company that displays this piss-poor customer service and then refuses my business, doesn't get it in the future. Since joining this list, I have had nothing but pleasant experiences with all of the vendors that have been recommended or spoken about on this list. NKR, Copper State, Rosemont, Blue Max/Pegasus, Sierra, Roll, heck even Squadron has redeemed themselves to me!!! But, Hannants is the first company I have ever done business with in this market that has ever refused my business and been rude to boot. My recommendation: Don't do business with Hannants. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:37:47 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 list (E-mail)" Subject: Avions OT content Message-ID: I got my first copy of Avions on Friday (no.94 January 2001). OT content was an article about Nieuports in Czeckoslovakian service. Very interesting, lots of pics of 17's and 21's also a few shots of the LWF's that the Czecks had. Markings seem to be mostly the same as Imperial Russian, some Ukrainan, and later the square tricolour czeck flag markings. They also had red and white diagonal wing stripes on some of them, almost makes me want to build a Ni17. Also nearly OT was two pictures of the Arnoux-Simplex racer "Madon Carmier" for the 1922 Deutsch de la Merthe race. Pilot was Georges Madon (he of the red Spad XII). Interesting ot, was articles on Mitsubishi J2M, Caudron 690 and Tupolev ANT7 (R-6) bomber . Also an interesting french view of the circuses that the RAF did over France in 1941, they usually sent a few Blenheims and a mass of Spitfire V's. Reading british magazines I've never really realised how completely unsuccessful these raids were, If I understood correctly they were losing 28 a/c for each german a/c at one period, basically trying to do the same as the germans in the BoB, but nowhere nearly as well. Being half-english I didn't like reading it and had a few nasty thoughts about the french who dared to write this, but it was good for me. It's too easy to believe in books written (shortly after the war) when the winners still wore rose-tinted spectacles. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:34:48 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many? Message-ID: <007e01c07989$bad0cb20$13ee79a5@com> > That's the "I wanna buildbuildbuild" virus which is also affecting me > sometimes. It's always best to avoid the workbench area and put the new kit > onto the pile of other kits on the shelf immediately after coming hom. Do > NOT look at it again for the next 13 months or so. I am packing up all of my HUGE accumulation of kits and stuff in preparation for moving. First: I have an enormous burden of stuff - about the same size and selection as a good hobby shop. Second: about 30+ partially-built kits! So I am storing them as delicately as possible and saving all of the loose parts! Once I get re-settled, I'm gonna have a big sale (mostly ot - I wouldn't DARE part with my OT kits! - no reason why I can't do 10 Nie.17's!). But I'm kinda down looking at all of these projects that 'fell by the wayside'. Some are unsalvageable - they get pitched. I hate throwing them away, but what else would I do with them? However, this also means that I'm finding lots of missing pieces like the parts to my Hannover! Also stuff for other models. Still have days to go though to get it all cleaned up! And packed! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:42:28 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Great Web Site! Message-ID: <007f01c07989$bbb42640$13ee79a5@com> > > I came across your web site as I was researching WWI material for teaching > a > > history class to my 4th and 5th grade class. I am quite fascinated with > the > > model planes and I was thinking that the class ( nine boys and one girl) > > would also be facinated in the WWI model planes since we just completed a > > unit on flight. CRIMINEY!!! Y'mean that WE are being used to help teach KIDS!!!! Dear God! We can't even figure out what color Voss' cowling was - and teachers are asking US for help? Quick! Someone get ahold of that poor lady and set her straight - what has become of the educational system that she'd ask US? Those poor children! DB ...(on the other hand - those kids could be part of the future customer base that keeps Eduard producing OT kits....) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:45:35 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot night space picture of the globe Message-ID: <6c.6a63df0.278b3a9f@aol.com> Cam gives us the following url: << http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg >> Great site, Cam! Thanks for posting it.... Yes, a photo like that certainly shows where things are happening at night, though l suspect there are more actual people on some of the less affluent continents than the light would indicate. Also, I always thought the population in South America was more sparse than that - it must be Diego up late working on some rigging... :-) And this photo illustrates, much better than any regular map could, what a large, cold and empty place much of Russia is. Great stuff, Cam. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:48:22 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MoS dilemma Message-ID: <200101081703.JAA18405@mail.rapidnet.net> Check the CD .. there is a BB profiled at No.3 Sqn RFC To quote Matt Bob Who just finished two more Flower profiles (ships you say .. so? Better than todays ot subject . . . cars) --------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:27:09 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MoS dilemma Message-ID: <3A59DC4C.F79E0C8@dial.pipex.com> Matt Bittner wrote: > One thing I would like to do is build a model of a Morane Saulnier type > every year. Two years ago was the Type I; last year was the AI. I > can't decide what to build this year. I have the following to choose > from: > > Veterans Type P > HR Type N > HR Type L > HR Type H > Ragwings Pfalz E.I into a Type G > Eastern (vac) Type BB Let's look at this logically........ You've already done the I & the A1, so you have a 'Bullet' and a 'Parasol', you don't want to do the BB (Which reminds me, The RAF Museum has a BB fuselage frame in storage), so by my reckoning, to give you something different, that leaves: HR Type H Ragwings Pfalz E.I into a Type G So I guess it's down to one of those two !! As the other two are single seaters, why not do the 'G' ? On the Pfalz/G theme, what's the Roseplanes E like ? My local shop has one, and I'm tempted for the same reason. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:36:59 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How Many? Message-ID: <3A59DE9A.5AC13AC3@dial.pipex.com> Matt Bittner wrote: > > You are correct. Hanriot was license-building Salmson's when they > decided to make the HD.3. Engine is the same as the 2A.2, and the cowl > looks very similar. However, that's where the external similarities > end. > > Any one have any info on the RAF's HD3 ? It was serialed '2003' and was used at Grain for Floatation trials. I've only ever seen one reference & photo, in Air Enthusiast 49. the article implies that some testing was done for the French (Including a Voisin) so maybe it wasn't actually an 'RAF' plane. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:51:00 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Hannants Mail Order Message-ID: <008901c0798a$d19dc780$13ee79a5@com> > Hi Folks, > Has anyone here in the states been able to do business with these BOZOS???? Me. I think they're pretty good, personally. Apparently, those of us overseas get GOUGED for the > privilige of doing business with Hannants. Well John, did you look at the price listing that shows that overseas customers are charged less for the shipped stuff vs. the domestically bought stuff? >And, to boot, I had to wait 4 weeks to find > this out, after they CONFIRMED my order. Wonderful customer service. Well, if that's the case, I'd agree that you have a right to be pissed off. >My recommendation: Don't do business > with Hannants. Well, that's gonna be difficult as I have an order pending. I have never had a problem with them and they have always been very obliging. Their service, I have found, has been equal or superior to other vendors that are here in the US! I'm sorry to hear that you are having a bad time with them, but they've done O.K. by me. DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:44:32 +0000 From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: British Albatros Question Message-ID: <3A59E060.EF123878@dial.pipex.com> Did Albatros do floatplanes other than the W4, in particular any with more than 1 seat. Air Enthusiast 41 has an article on the Isle of Grain, which includes the following text: "Foreign aircraft captured from the enemy were also flown at Grain, including H-B W33 2670 (Note - actually W29) and an Albatros seaplane, the latter written off in a crash while Flt Lt Moore was giving a demonstration of aerobatics over a cruiser anchored in Sheerness Harbour. Bill harmsworth also remembers flying in the Albatros W4 seaplane" It then contains a quote in which Mr Harmsworh talks about flying in the plane with Lt Goodwin with a disfunctional elevator. Any thoughts? The MDF on the W4 makes no mention of any in the UK. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:56:14 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ot night space picture of the globe Message-ID: <008f01c0798b$890cb3e0$13ee79a5@com> > Cam gives us the following url: > > << http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg >> > > Great site, Cam! Thanks for posting it.... > > Yes, a photo like that certainly shows where things are happening at night, > though l suspect there are more actual people on some of the less affluent > continents than the light would indicate. WOW! I can see my house! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:53:14 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List meeting Down Under Message-ID: <200101081724.JAA19105@mail.rapidnet.net> Mark writes . .. > I have people across the pond ask if I 'know so and so. I think he lives in > Victora, BC," which is near Bob Pearson. > I on the other hand am on the other side of the continent in Newfoundland > about 6,000 miles away. And even then 'near' is about 6-700 miles away as the Sopwith flys. The next town from here is 100 miles down the road. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:41:27 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: How Many? Message-ID: Yes of course, I forgot that, so we can discuss Ferarris, they are all OT D: >PS: Baracca had the first "Ferrari" marking ever displayed. Too bad he >didn't had a red plane! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:47:34 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 list (E-mail)" Subject: Re:Sopwith Tabloid question Message-ID: Recently Steve asked about the Sopwith Tabloid that bombed the Zep sheds at Cologne. I found a couple of good references for early Sopwiths, "Britains first warplanes" by Jack Bruce, and an article in Air Enthusiast Quarterly no.20. There is two pictures of no.394/167 in Britains first warplanes, but on both the underwings are in shadow, on one which was taken by the germans at Antwerp with a Be2a beside the Sopwith, the Be2a had no union-jacks. Sorry this is little help, but maybe negative results may help you decide to do whatever you like, no-one else knows either;-) I'm building a Tabloid for the cook-up too, but as the Schneider racer, so I will be on the look-out for more references, I'll let you know if I find anything. I suppose you know why they stopped calling it the Tabloid, because there were complaints from a cough-tablet manufacturer using the same brand-name, the real question is why they called it a Tabloid in the first place?! /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:52:42 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: How Many? Message-ID: Sure, it was Enzo Ferarri that thought it was cool, and so asked Barraca's widow if he could use it, true! /Neil PS. So it is OT! >snip Sliding slightly ot, how come Ferrari adopted the "cavallino rampante" as it's trademark. Any real relation to Baracca? Jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:31:55 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 list (E-mail)" Subject: Sopwith house colours? Message-ID: Did Sopwith have any particular colour associated with them? Anders Bruun has aked this before, and now when I hope that Anders will do some decals for my Sopwith Schneider racer, I have become very interested in this question too. On the rear fuselage of many early Sopwiths there is "Sopwith" written in big letters, often black on photos, but equally often they are light coloured, they could be blue or red for instance, any guesses? /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:39:21 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: MoS dilemma Message-ID: Yes, we couldn't understand what you were talking about, still can't! /Neil -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] Sent: den 8 januari 2001 15:39 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: MoS dilemma On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:34:33 -0500 (EST), Matt Bittner wrote: > The biggest problem with the BB is that it was used by the French. All > BB's when to the British. So, I'll have to model it as the first > prototype machine which was in French markings. Cripes. What I wanted to say was the BB was *not* used by the French. Gads... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:55:07 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many? Message-ID: <002d01c07993$c3341e20$9cb58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:49 AM Subject: Re: the virus of modeling was RE: How Many? > > > > That's the "I wanna buildbuildbuild" virus which is also affecting > me > > sometimes. It's always best to avoid the workbench area and put the new > kit > > onto the pile of other kits on the shelf immediately after coming hom. Do > > NOT look at it again for the next 13 months or so. > > I am packing up all of my HUGE accumulation of kits and stuff in preparation > for moving. First: I have an enormous burden of stuff - about the same > size and selection as a good hobby shop. Second: about 30+ partially-built > kits! So I am storing them as delicately as possible and saving all of the > loose parts! Once I get re-settled, I'm gonna have a big sale (mostly ot - > I wouldn't DARE part with my OT kits! - no reason why I can't do 10 > Nie.17's!). But I'm kinda down looking at all of these projects that 'fell > by the wayside'. Some are unsalvageable - they get pitched. I hate > throwing them away, but what else would I do with them? > > However, this also means that I'm finding lots of missing pieces like the > parts to my Hannover! Also stuff for other models. Still have days to go > though to get it all cleaned up! And packed! > > > DB DB, when are you moving & how far...best of luck ...I cringe at the thought of a move. Best regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:36:30 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List meeting Down Under Message-ID: >Mark writes . .. > >> I have people across the pond ask if I 'know so and so. I think he lives in >> Victora, BC," which is near Bob Pearson. >> I on the other hand am on the other side of the continent in Newfoundland >> about 6,000 miles away. > >And even then 'near' is about 6-700 miles away as the Sopwith flys. The next >town from here is 100 miles down the road. > >Bob Hey 'neighbour.' Think I could nip round and borrow a six-pack? ;-) MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:59:08 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Curtiss N9 Message-ID: Andy asks: "Also Please send some detail on the N9H when you can." This LSM kit is a transitional one, with all parts of the airframe supplied in vac, while the floats, details, and a second fuselage appear in resin. It comes with American cockades of both types, and the appropriately-styled numerals 0-9 to make up any serial to suit. There was no PE. A good basic beginning. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:18:07 -0000 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Re: Curtiss N9 Message-ID: <001401c07997$152bf9c0$1e173c3e@tinypc> Lance Thanks for the N9N info. I think I will order one and give it a bash Watch this space Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Curtiss N9 > Andy asks: > > "Also Please send some detail on the N9H when you can." > > This LSM kit is a transitional one, with all parts of the airframe supplied in vac, while the floats, details, and a second fuselage appear in resin. It comes with American cockades of both types, and the appropriately-styled numerals 0-9 to make up any serial to suit. There was no PE. > > A good basic beginning. > > HTH > > Lance > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:29:26 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: ot night space picture of the globe Message-ID: <05ec01c07998$8d43e200$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave wrote: >, I always thought the > population in South America was more sparse than that - it must be Diego up > late working on some rigging... :-) Not me Dave, even when I always rig the models by night, I always turn the lights off. > And this photo illustrates, much better than any regular map could, what a > large, cold and empty place much of Russia is. See how some light "veins" can be discerned west-east thru Russia? That's the trans-siberian railroad. Go some miles away from that and there's not a hobby store at sight! Thanks for this link, Cam, I'll be sending this to some friends. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:01:41 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MoS dilemma Message-ID: << The Type BB is one my preferred moranes, it looks weird. But if you don't feel like doing a vac, it's out of the question. >> That's in the "started but not finished" pile over there in the corner. Modified the Eduard type N fuselage but somehow never got around to scratchbuilding the wings. Which kind of reinforces my point about it being the kiss of death to start one model before another is finished. They're always easier to start than to complete. One of these days huh? cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:08:14 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: PE Parts Set Message-ID: For those thinking up various PE peices, has any company produced templates for markings or lettering. Some examples would be Lift here arrows and wording seen on british Aircraft, or the same but in german seen on Fokker DVII's. Not an original idea from me, in reading the Masters Scratch builders book, it is an item that often goes on the custom PE some of the modellers use. A humourus quote that seems to come up a few times with different modellers in the book is the fact that many of the model builders are not that practiced with Airbrushes. Seems with the average of two years between projects starting and ending, they dont get a lot of practice. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:21:42 -0700 From: Jim Landon To: PBArnold54@aol.com Cc: WWI List , Subject: Surgical wire Message-ID: <3A5A0536.15073483@lmco.com> Hi Bill, (and list) Nice job on the two Siemens Schukert DIII's and the Roland. Interesting that you sometimes build straight out of the box, and other times do lots of mods. Just curious -- where does one obtain 0.005 surgical wire? Is any other size available besides 0.005? -- since I'm always working on giant scale stuff. I have seen you mention it before, and I think other list members us it also. Jim Landon List semi-member (unsubscribed so reply directly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:30:59 -0700 From: Jim Landon To: mkendix@juno.com Cc: WWI List , Subject: Poly Scale French Beige Message-ID: <3A5A0763.38A26C0A@lmco.com> Hi Mike, Nice job on the 1 1/2 Strutter. Why did they cover up the rear cockpit? I thought the 1 1/2 Strutter was a two seater like the Salmson I'm building. Also, who sells Poly Scale "French Beige" -- I'm eventually going to need to simulate CDL on the underside of my Salmson, and I bought some Modern Desert Sand at Colpar, but it seems too yellow. Also I see you used 0.005" stainless stel wire, and you probably saw my question to Bill. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:50:27 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hannants Mail Order Message-ID: <20010108185027.36799.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> John, I've only ordered from Hannants once and wasn't too pleased with the experience. I did meet the minimum order amount. My problem was the item wasn't in stock by the time they processed the order but they didn't bother notifying me of this. E-mails went unanswered and when I finally did receive a reply about two months later I was informed of the above problem. I cancelled the order and received confirmation of its cancellation. I thought that was the end of it until I received a package from them with the supposedly cancelled order. I wanted to send it back but they have a 25% restocking fee!!! Also they had a big sale but the minimum order for non-European countries was 75 pounds exclusive of shipping. I was also treated very rudely once when I phoned them. The person on the other end acted like I was bothering him. Now Aeroclub is a different story. Very responsive, excellent service, and very patient and friendly- and no minimum order. TH --- John_Impenna@hyperion.com wrote: > > Hi Folks, > Has anyone here in the states been able to do > business with these BOZOS???? > I sent an order via email to them over a month ago > based on a post from > Sandy Adam listing a couple of BM kits that were on > sale. The next day, I > received a confirmation saying that they received my > order and give them 2 > weeks to process. Fair enough. After almost 4 weeks > with no order, I > emailed them to inquire as to my order status and > received a very terse > reply saying my order didn't meet their minimum > full-price merchandise > requirements!!! Apparently, those of us overseas get > GOUGED for the > privilige of doing business with Hannants. My order > was for approx 33 > pounds(over their already high 30 pound min, or so I > thought), but becuase > it included 24pounds of sale merchandise, I would > have to add 22pounds of > regular priced merchandise!!! And, to boot, I had to > wait 4 weeks to find > this out, after they CONFIRMED my order. Wonderful > customer service. I have > emailed Hannants and told them I will no longer do > business with them. Any > company that displays this piss-poor customer > service and then refuses my > business, doesn't get it in the future. > > Since joining this list, I have had nothing but > pleasant experiences with > all of the vendors that have been recommended or > spoken about on this list. > NKR, Copper State, Rosemont, Blue Max/Pegasus, > Sierra, Roll, heck even > Squadron has redeemed themselves to me!!! But, > Hannants is the first > company I have ever done business with in this > market that has ever refused > my business and been rude to boot. My > recommendation: Don't do business > with Hannants. > > Regards, > John > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:52:05 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: List meeting Down Under Message-ID: Various Aussies have supplied a Sydney-Adelaide iternary and make the trip sound like a visit to the "Mad Max" set. But go south along the coastal range to Woolongong, thence to Canberra and the OT planes in the ACT - very pretty farming country. From Canberra drive through theSnowy River country, and the Alps, to fetch up in the gold rush town of Beechworth and Ned Kelly country - mountains and history. Down from the highlands to Melbourne - and more OT at point Cook, and then the Shipwreck Coast - Apollo Bay, Ottway Ranges, Seven Sisters. Whaling history at Warnambool, the lake at Mt.Gambier, the German pioneer community at Hahndorf - renamed Kitchener during WWI . The Murray river valley, and presto, you're in Adelaide, without ever missing a pub or a petrol station. Trees the whole way, and nary a dingo chewing on the tyres. An easy 5-day jaunt, better with more time. I'm moonlighting as a QANTAS fly-and-drive representative. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:06:33 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Poly Scale French Beige Message-ID: Jim: >Nice job on the 1 1/2 Strutter. Why did they cover up the rear >cockpit? Thanks. Some Strutters were built as single seaters. They were armed only with the forward firing "through the prop" Lewis gun, I think. >I thought the 1 1/2 Strutter was a two seater like the Salmson I'm >building. I think the term "Strutter" is often used for the 2-seater but the 1-seater is very similar. >Also, who sells Poly Scale "French Beige" Rosemont Hobby, see: http://www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/pollys.htm although I bought mine at the local hobby shop. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:20:36 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hannants Mail Order Message-ID: >From: Todd Hayes >I've only ordered from Hannants once and wasn't too >pleased with the experience. I don't usually order 30 quid's worth of kits from one place, so I'll probably never meet their minimum requirement. I think $50 for a minimum order is excessive but that's their business (literally, I suppose). I don't think much these days of vendors who don't respond rapidly to emails. Even Squadron, who took too long to send my stuff, responded fairly rapidly to my email, and they have at least as many business orders as hannants. Earl down at NKR Models responded within a couple of hours; admittedly, he's a smaller business. To respond to Dave Burke's mentioning of Hannant's lower price for non-EU business - the reason is that 17.5% Value Addedd Tax (VAT) is charged on EU business, but not outside the EU. So, Hannants and get this sizeable break on what they have to charge, which makes their 30 pound minimum appear even more excessive. Finally, when I visited in person, I was not impresssed with their Colindale retail outlet. It was fairly large but he people there weren't particularly friendly and at least one of them smoked, which I didn't like. Michael P.S. Len - I know you smoked when I visited but you asked if it was Ok. It was your flat, you cooked me lunch and you were most friendly:) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2955 **********************