WWI Digest 2949 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Lone Star Macchi M-5 quick review by "Len Smith" 2) Choroszy Modelbud by "Matt Bittner" 3) RE: vac wings by "dfernet0" 4) House online was RE: the house of the Richthofen family by "Gaston Graf" 5) RE: the house of the Richthofen family by Todd Hayes 6) Re: LSM, emphasis on Felixstowe by "aa8." 7) Felixstowe F2a by "aa8." 8) Re: vac wings by "Dale Sebring" 9) Re: Felixstowe F2a and Curtiss by "Lance Krieg" 10) RE: vac wings by "Lance Krieg" 11) gronczewski@interia.pl by "cameron rile" 12) RE: vac wings by "Matt Bittner" 13) RE: vac wings by "Michael Kendix" 14) Games by "Robert Fabris" 15) RE: Cookup pledges by Steve Cox 16) Re: lame attempts Was: Bob Laskodi at Modeling Madness by Steve Cox 17) Re: 1/8 Camel by "Michael S. Alvarado" 18) Great work, Allan ! by "Alberto Casirati" 19) Michael Kendix's Strutters by "Alberto Casirati" 20) Vac wings by "Alberto Casirati" 21) MvRs war trophies was RE: the house of the Richthofen family by "Gaston Graf" 22) Re: Great work, Allan ! by Allan Wright 23) Re: MvRs war trophies was RE: the house of the Richthofen family by Todd Hayes 24) Re: vacs by David Fleming 25) Re: Getting Booted (was: Back Again) by Zulis@aol.com 26) Re: vac wings by David Fleming 27) Re: vac wings by David Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:02:55 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Lone Star Macchi M-5 quick review Message-ID: <002701c07741$dbbdc300$36847ed4@mesh> David, Datafile on the Macchi M5 is due out in March 2001. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Calhoun" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 4:33 AM Subject: Lone Star Macchi M-5 quick review > Looks like a nice kit, with a few scratchbuilt items needed. A photoetched > set for interior details would be welcomed. > Hats off to Mike West for issuing a great kit of an important seaplane even > after Flashback canceled their kit! Anyone have any references for this > aircraft? > Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:22:45 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Choroszy Modelbud Message-ID: <200101051822.KAA02918@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Just found CM's site: http://www.modelbud.inet.krakow.pl/ Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:27:34 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: vac wings Message-ID: <000d01c07745$2f9de6a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Dale! What? No! Great news!!!!!!Thanks a lot!! My hotmail account has behaved a bit strange lately. I guess I must do some cleansing in my inbox, maybe my account is full. I'll try to see those messages in no time. I'm going to finish that artwork we've been discussing during the weekend, doing version for the two scales (tiny and huge). Best regards D. On a very strange strange day ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:43:02 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: House online was RE: the house of the Richthofen family Message-ID: Folks, I just uploaded the two pictures of the house of the von Richthofen family. Details about the house as well as the pics are available from the ABOUT page - the page loading by default after you entered the site. I've got to confess that I felt quite a bit disappointed about the architecture of the building. I believed it looks more like an old mansion of the German stile. Instead it looks to me rather like a crematory. To Diego: Here's the email address of Mr. Barneche mailto:marbar@sion.com I posted it at the website too indeed. To all: I plan to add a section with links about modeling to my links page. I would like to invite everybody to send me the link to her/his private modeling website so I can them to my site. A short description would also be helpful so I won't need to check all the pages myself. Scale doesn't matter. sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Gaston > >From Argentina???????? Would you mind sending me Mario's Email? > D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: the house of the Richthofen family Message-ID: <20010105184411.62653.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> I'd like to see an investigation into Richthofen's missing war trophies. It would probably be impracticle but I'd like to see at least an attempt made. Todd --- dfernet0 wrote: > Gaston > >From Argentina???????? Would you mind sending me > Mario's Email? > D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gaston Graf > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:08 PM > Subject: the house of the Richthofen family > > > > Friends, > > > > a frequent visitor of my website - Mario Barneche > from Argentina - now > send > > me a couple of recent pictures of the house of the > Richthofen family. > Mario > > promised to send more info later so I am really > curious to learn more. I > > wanted to ask our friends in Poland - Withold and > Tomaz - if they have any > > particular info on that house. I will post the > pics at my website as soon > as > > possible. > > > > happy modeling to all who have the time for it ;o) > > > > Gaston Graf > > (ggraf@vo.lu) > > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 > "Boelcke" at: > > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:37:02 -0000 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Re: LSM, emphasis on Felixstowe Message-ID: <005401c07747$44db9b00$990e3c3e@tinypc> Lance I wondered about the Felixstowe because I had a T.C. Models kit of the same aircraft. All resin and not cheap (about 90 quid). To say that I thought it was disappointing was an understatement. I did nothing with it until a friend who is also a modeller was staying for the weekend and I found him examining the kit whilst drinking his Sunday morning tea on my patio(it was Summer). He wanted to take it away and build it so I let him. Since then he has been hacking away. So far he has thrown away the wings and other flying surfaces and scratch built them using only the hull from the kit. It looks good but has virtually ended up a scratch built project. I wondered if the LSM kit would be a source of wings for the T.C. kit. Not very cost effective but a possibility. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 4:40 PM Subject: Re: LSM, emphasis on Felixstowe > Andy catalogs the Lone Star kits, and wonders about: > > "the DH5, The Sablatnig, The Curtiss N9N, The Hansa Brandenburg W20..." > > I have the Curtiss, which I recall as a pretty standard vac with some resin, white metal, and some PE, but I haven't looked at it closely in some time... I can provide more info if you want. > > The DH5, on the other hand, is a resin kit, a little on the rough side, but definitely buildable. > > "Did any one out there ever buy LSM's Felixstowe flying boat in 1/48th?" > > Peter Fedders built one, and it's on the site. I am currently building mine, a sort of magnum opus that may never end; I recently completed the interior and put the hull together, a hundred or more hours into the project. > > This model is mostly vac, with a couple of resin pieces, a very modest amount of PE, and a decent selection of white metal. The propellers and RR Eagle engines are very nicely handled. > > The kit suffers from being based on an old set of plans, and is considerably too narrow through the hull of the boat, a very major fix that I still haven't completely solved. The empennage is too small all around and needs to be replaced. > > On the other hand, there are elements of the kit that are demonstrably more correct than the Ian Stair plans in the latest datafile. > > The kit is most acceptable, if a little daunting. > > Lance > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:41:06 -0000 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Felixstowe F2a Message-ID: <005501c07747$46b934a0$990e3c3e@tinypc> From: aa8. To: Subject: Re: LSM, emphasis on Felixstowe Date: 05 January 2001 18:37 Lance I wondered about the Felixstowe because I had a T.C. Models kit of the same aircraft. All resin and not cheap (about 90 quid). To say that I thought it was disappointing was an understatement. I did nothing with it until a friend who is also a modeller was staying for the weekend and I found him examining the kit whilst drinking his Sunday morning tea on my patio(it was Summer). He wanted to take it away and build it so I let him. Since then he has been hacking away. So far he has thrown away the wings and other flying surfaces and scratch built them using only the hull from the kit. It looks good but has virtually ended up a scratch built project. I wondered if the LSM kit would be a source of wings for the T.C. kit. Not very cost effective but a possibility. Also Please send some detail on the N9N when you can. Regards Andy Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 4:40 PM Subject: Re: LSM, emphasis on Felixstowe > Andy catalogs the Lone Star kits, and wonders about: > > "the DH5, The Sablatnig, The Curtiss N9N, The Hansa Brandenburg W20..." > > I have the Curtiss, which I recall as a pretty standard vac with some resin, white metal, and some PE, but I haven't looked at it closely in some time... I can provide more info if you want. > > The DH5, on the other hand, is a resin kit, a little on the rough side, but definitely buildable. > > "Did any one out there ever buy LSM's Felixstowe flying boat in 1/48th?" > > Peter Fedders built one, and it's on the site. I am currently building mine, a sort of magnum opus that may never end; I recently completed the interior and put the hull together, a hundred or more hours into the project. > > This model is mostly vac, with a couple of resin pieces, a very modest amount of PE, and a decent selection of white metal. The propellers and RR Eagle engines are very nicely handled. > > The kit suffers from being based on an old set of plans, and is considerably too narrow through the hull of the boat, a very major fix that I still haven't completely solved. The empennage is too small all around and needs to be replaced. > > On the other hand, there are elements of the kit that are demonstrably more correct than the Ian Stair plans in the latest datafile. > > The kit is most acceptable, if a little daunting. > > Lance > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:30:24 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: vac wings Message-ID: <002201c0774d$f4419620$59b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dfernet0" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:34 AM Subject: RE: vac wings > Hi Dale! > What? No! Great news!!!!!!Thanks a lot!! > My hotmail account has behaved a bit strange lately. I guess I must do some > cleansing in my inbox, maybe my account is full. I'll try to see those > messages in no time. > I'm going to finish that artwork we've been discussing during the weekend, > doing version for the two scales (tiny and huge). > Best regards > D. > On a very strange strange day D, when you read my responses, let me know what you think...OK? The decals went out yesterday. Enjoy your summer! :-).....zero F last night...;-0 enough to frost your cockpit! Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:40:30 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Felixstowe F2a and Curtiss Message-ID: Andy: "...wondered if the LSM kit would be a source of wings for the T.C. kit." Yes, I suppose, but the ailerons are not of the typical type and bear replacement. Also the rib stations do not quite tally with my take on the best plans, and the riblets that should be visible on the bottom are not represented. I used the tops, but scratched the bottoms around a basswood core. Then I removed all the detail from the tops, mostly inadvertently, and now propose to reinstate it at the right places. Those wings had a ply leading edge and this carried over the top to the front spar. I still can't decide if the rib tapes go all the way to the leading edge... any opinions? I agree that vac is about the only reasonable way to handle wings that are a full two feet in span, but if you may as well scratchbuild them, frankly - it won't be any more work. "Also Please send some detail on the N9N when you can." It'll be Monday, but can do. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:54:22 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: vac wings Message-ID: Michael and Diego have helped clear up some single-surface vac questions, and here's another: If you use the top surface only, and it contains any sort of rib detail, doesn't that leave a concavity or "trench" on the underside where the plastic has been pushed up? Do you then fill this with putty, or styrene strips? As far as flat spots on the underside, this would seem largely unavoidable with a single thickness of plastic, especially in 1/72, where the original slab is probably no more than .020 or .030. I can see that the trailing edge work would have to be confined to the underside, and handled very carefully not to screw up the outline. Washout (if appropriate) induced by bending would help disguise the flat areas. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:02:20 -0600 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: gronczewski@interia.pl Message-ID: Tomasz, >Count me in but I haven't decided about the subject yet. Little's Pup, or >Dallas' Tripe, or Gillett's Dolphin, or Sapozhnikov's Snipe, or... Wide >spectrum so far. I doubt if I'll be able to make more than one this time. When you decide for certain send me a mail and I'll put you up. Looking forward to seeing your very 'clean' style of modeling :) cam ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:01:51 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: vac wings Message-ID: <200101052001.MAA21028@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:58:49 -0500 (EST), Lance Krieg wrote: > If you use the top surface only, and it contains any sort of rib detail, doesn't that leave a concavity or "trench" on the underside where the plastic has been pushed up? Do you then fill this with putty, or styrene strips? No, that will be taken care of when you sand the airfoil more in. However, even with that ribs have to be replaced. > As far as flat spots on the underside, this would seem largely unavoidable with a single thickness of plastic, especially in 1/72, where the original slab is probably no more than .020 or .030. Hmmm...I've been trying to imagine this one since D brought it up, and I can't for the life of me understand his problem. > I can see that the trailing edge work would have to be confined to the underside, and handled very carefully not to screw up the outline. Washout (if appropriate) induced by bending would help disguise the flat areas. Good point. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:12:50 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: vac wings Message-ID: Lance writes... >Michael and Diego have helped clear up some single-surface vac questions, >and here's another: > >If you use the top surface only, and it contains any sort of rib detail, >doesn't that leave a concavity or "trench" on the underside where the >plastic has been pushed up? Do you then fill this with putty, or styrene >strips? If it's a decent vac, there is no reverse indentation because the modl is properly done and deleiberately flat on the reverse side. I have built 3 Rosemont vacs and one from VLE Models; none of these had this problem. >I can see that the trailing edge work would have to be confined to >the >underside, and handled very carefully not to screw up the >outline. >Washout (if appropriate) induced by bending would help >disguise the flat >areas. If the kit is decent, the washout is modelled into the kit; e.g. thte DFW "Mars" from VLE Models. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:23:45 -0800 From: "Robert Fabris" To: Subject: Games Message-ID: <026901c07755$68b39920$1737480c@garage> I have a bunch of ancient computer games (from the last millenium) to dispose of - Dawn Patrol - CD-ROM 1994, by Empire Interactive Knights of the Sky - 3" disc 1993, by Microprose Red Baron - 3" disc(3) plus 5" disc(2) 1990, by Dynamix (Sierra) Red Baron - CD-ROM 1996, by Sierra On-Line Prices are $10. each, ppd. Please respond off-line Thanks, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:35:19 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: RE: Cookup pledges Message-ID: I have seen pics of a camel fuselage used for experimental optical illusion camouflage. there are pics of the wings in the Harleyford fighter book, but I can't remember where I saw the fuselage. Regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:52:01 -0800 > From: "Ray Boorman" > To: > Subject: RE: Cookup pledges > Message-ID: > > I have a Blue Rider Comic camel fuselage all cut out and Airfix Camel wings > with no ribs. I also have a down to the skin manicure from all the wing > rubbing, so I guess I'm in for a Comic Camel does that count as a Camel. Any > suggestions as to what I can do with the Airfix Fuselage parts left over??? > > Ray > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of >> Steven M.Perry >> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:09 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Cookup pledges >> >> >> Sitting on the bench now is an Eduard Sopwith Schnider kit and a Sopwith >> Tabloid Mini DF. >> >> Put me down for the conversion, but since I haven't finished my Albatros >> yet, maybe you better put me down on the good intentions page rather than >> the pledge page ;-) >> sp >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:35:18 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: lame attempts Was: Bob Laskodi at Modeling Madness Message-ID: The solution, Rob, is to scratch build something unavailable as a kit. Then however bad it is it's something no one else has made better. :-) The down side to this philosophy is that when the kit comes out you have to find a new subject. My lovely Fokker DVI no longer looks so good. :-( Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:45:41 -0500 > From: Rob & Sherry > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Another OT Laskodi model at Modeling Madness > Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010103224541.007dfb10@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> > > O.K.....That is beautiful!!! SOOOOOOOOOO...... now I have request!! can > anyone show me some reaaaaaalllly bad builds so I can think my lame attempt > at building an OT kit looks like it's worth completing??????? LOL.....Yes, > I am finally off work, and celebrating New Years with Captain Morgan Rum :) > Thinking I will never complete anything worth even putting on display in > my own home!!!! Yet I am having fun half building (hacking???) kits until I > realize they look like crap! > Happy New Year to All!!! > Best to all in 2001 :) > Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:44:40 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/8 Camel Message-ID: <3A563237.A2B3CC17@bellatlantic.net> Dennis, You bet! Details please. Alvie Dennis Ugulano wrote: > Everyone, > > If anyone is interested in a mint un-built Hasagawa 1/8th Camel, I know > someone who is selling one. Contact me off list if interested. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://members.nbci.com/Uggies/dju.htm > Page Revised 12/22/00 > "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:37:54 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Great work, Allan ! Message-ID: <007301c0775a$d43551c0$c00e623e@s> Dear Allan, your work is superb and professionally done. We all owe you so much and we remember this so rarely.... Well done, and happy new year !!!! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:44:41 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Michael Kendix's Strutters Message-ID: <007401c0775a$d4dd2a80$c00e623e@s> I have just seen Michael's Strutters : what a nice job ! Well done, Michael, keep up the good work !!! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:58:55 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Vac wings Message-ID: <007501c0775a$d5850340$c00e623e@s> Dear Diego, I am not sure I understood your difficulties in the proper way (because of my not-so-deep English language knowledge), but here is the method I follow: - sanding the wing panel on a flat surface until the proper piece is separated from the supporting sheet. At this stage trailing edges are still a little too thick and there are flat contours under the leading edge, under the trailing edge and under the tips; - the flat surface, with its sanding paper, is put aside; - all edges are simply turned to a more accurate section simply by sanding with fine wet n'dry. Many wing sections had a double underwing curvature, which I try to achieve by sanding. Hope this can be of some help. Ciao ! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:06:41 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: MvRs war trophies was RE: the house of the Richthofen family Message-ID: Todd, after all that is known, the Russians plundered everything as they invaded the Reich. Nobody knows what happened to the items once displayed at the little private museum of Manfreds mother. It is furthermore assumed that some items are kept somewhere in Moscow or in other Russian archives but 'til this day the Russians refused to give the property of the Richthofen family back to them. Investigation was already attempted but proved to be quite impossible. I guess that even Bill Gates wouldn't have enough of money to bribe to Russians for information about the stolen trophies because they see the trophies as a triumph over the Germans nation - even today. They would never give it back! cheers Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > I'd like to see an investigation into Richthofen's > missing war trophies. It would probably be > impracticle but I'd like to see at least an attempt > made. > > Todd > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:15:09 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Great work, Allan ! Message-ID: <200101052115.QAA02906@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Dear Allan, > your work is superb and professionally done. > We all owe you so much and we remember this so rarely.... > Well done, and happy new year !!!! > Alberto Casirati ...Blushes... Thank you very much Alberto. The list members are really the 'meat' of the sandwich. I just provide the bread. Thanks for everyone's wonderful contributions this past year and here's to another one! Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:10:21 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MvRs war trophies was RE: the house of the Richthofen family Message-ID: <20010105221021.27920.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Gaston, Well that really blows!! Todd --- Gaston Graf wrote: > Todd, > > after all that is known, the Russians plundered > everything as they invaded > the Reich. Nobody knows what happened to the items > once displayed at the > little private museum of Manfreds mother. It is > furthermore assumed that > some items are kept somewhere in Moscow or in other > Russian archives but > 'til this day the Russians refused to give the > property of the Richthofen > family back to them. > Investigation was already attempted but proved to be > quite impossible. I > guess that even Bill Gates wouldn't have enough of > money to bribe to > Russians for information about the stolen trophies > because they see the > trophies as a triumph over the Germans nation - even > today. They would never > give it back! > > cheers > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" > at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > I'd like to see an investigation into Richthofen's > > missing war trophies. It would probably be > > impracticle but I'd like to see at least an > attempt > > made. > > > > Todd > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:31:17 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: vacs Message-ID: <3A55F6D4.21EE72DD@dial.pipex.com> dfernet0 wrote: > Hi! > I'm very glad with my modest collection of vac kits, and I've been > experimenting with them lately (far from completing one, but they don't look > as hard as before). > I've sanded the fuselage halves OK, right to the marked line and they fit. > But the wings, even when sanded right to razor sharp TE, still have certain > concavity due to the underwing camber and I can see flat areas under the > wingtips. How can I do to correct this without ruining the wing? I never sand wing tips or l/es on single surface wings, but use a sharp knife, sandpaper an a scraper balde to produce the required profile. D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:20:58 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Getting Booted (was: Back Again) Message-ID: Allan writes: << If I delete someone from the list (hasn't happened yet and I hope it never does) they will KNOW I did it and why as I will notify them of it personally. >> Am l the only one who had a chill in the pit of my stomach reading this? :-) Hoping l never get sent to modeller's purgatory, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:16:42 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: vac wings Message-ID: <3A5647CA.90462EE3@dial.pipex.com> dfernet0 wrote: > Michael dixit: > > Once you messed it up, I know of no fix. > > Yikes :-( > D. As with all things vac, I usually turn to a method shown by John Adams of Aeroclub. 1) Don't sand - scrape, or use a handheld sanding block 2) If you mess up a small section, cut it out, fill with a blank & use superglue to fill it, sand, add more glue, sand etc until it's neat again. DF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:22:46 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: vac wings Message-ID: <3A564936.F8E25771@dial.pipex.com> Lance Krieg wrote: > Michael and Diego have helped clear up some single-surface vac questions, and here's another: > > If you use the top surface only, and it contains any sort of rib detail, doesn't that leave a concavity or "trench" on the underside where the plastic has been pushed up? Do you then fill this with putty, or styrene strips? Many don't have any detail - ithe depth of the ribs & the thickness of the plastic often means they don't show. > > > As far as flat spots on the underside, this would seem largely unavoidable with a single thickness of plastic, especially in 1/72, where the original slab is probably no more than .020 or .030. > > I can see that the trailing edge work would have to be confined to the underside, and handled very carefully not to screw up the outline. Washout (if appropriate) induced by bending would help disguise the flat areas. > > It is possible to avoid the flat areas by scraping the underside. A mix of straight edge (For large areas) and round edge (For fine work) blades works. I usually cut the excess off with a very sharp scalpel before scraping. Leading edge is done by CAREFULLY cutting & shaping with a scalpel & Wet'n'dry. Single surface wings don't take kindly to the 'sand on a flat sheet' treatment. Dave Dave ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2949 **********************