WWI Digest 2941 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: First one of the New Year by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 2) Sopwith Cookup References by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 3) Martinsyde question by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 4) Fw: Sopwith Cookup References - two more by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 5) Sniping by Shane Weier 6) Re: Internet Modeller Page Problems? by Scottfking@aol.com 7) Sopwith tails Re: PE Parts Set by "cameron rile" 8) RE: plywood what-if by Shane Weier 9) Re: Martinsyde question by "Steven M.Perry" 10) Re: lounge lizard in NO by "Brad & Merville" 11) Re: plywood what-if by "Steven M.Perry" 12) Real OT at the model club meeting by "Steven M.Perry" 13) Tabloid question by "Steven M.Perry" 14) Sandy's Tabloid by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 15) Re: Martinsyde question by Todd Hayes 16) Martinsydes and Models (Reprise) by Todd Hayes 17) Re: Martinsyde question by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 18) Re: Martinsyde question by Todd Hayes 19) RE: Real OT at the model club meeting by Crawford Neil 20) RE: New year's report by Todd Hayes 21) RE: New year's report by Crawford Neil 22) Re: Real OT at the model club meeting by "Bob Pearson" 23) RE: Beginner's question about sanding wings by Crawford Neil 24) Roden Gotha G.II/III by Witold Kozakiewicz 25) RE: Roden Gotha G.II/III by "dfernet0" 26) RE: New year's report by "dfernet0" 27) Re: Roden Gotha G.II/III by "Bob Pearson" 28) RE: Roden Gotha G.II/III by "dfernet0" 29) RE: Roden Gotha G.II/III by Crawford Neil 30) RE: New year's report by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:58:08 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: RE: First one of the New Year Message-ID: Steven M.Perry remarked: >> Yes I did spend New Years Eve with a model. << Well, I dreamed of spending it with a model, but we'll not get into that right now... ;-) I started the Eduard Pfalz DIIIa yesterday. Maybe this one will get finished. My new ISP has given me some space for a homepage. I would like to post some pictures of my "under construction" projects like several others have. Any ideas on a catchy title? I really don't want to call it "My Home Page" or use some other cliche. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:06:03 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Sopwith Cookup References Message-ID: <000201c07521$b51fbae0$632c57d8@unionrai> Here's a start on reference for the cookup - Charlie Sopwith Camel, King of Combat by Chaz Bowyer Sopwith Camel by J. M. Bruce (Vintage Aviation series) The Sopwith Fighters by J. M. Bruce (Vintage Warbirds No. 5) Sopwith Aircraft by Mick Davis Sopwith Pup Profile No. 13 Sopwith Camel F.1 Profle No. 31 Sopwith 7F.1 Snipe Profile No. 50 Sopwith Triplane Profile No. 73 Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Profile No. 121 Sopwith Dolphin Profile No. 169 Windsock Datafile Sopwith Pup No. 2 Windsock Sopwith Pup Special Windsock Datafile Sopwith 2F1 Camel No. 6 Windsock Datafile Sopwith Triplane No. 22 Windsock Datafile Sopwith Camel No. 26 Windsock Datafile Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter No. 34 Windsock Datafile Sopwith Snipe No. 46 Windsock Datafile Sopwith Dolphin No. 54 Windsock Datafile Sopwith Baby No. 60 Windsock Datafile Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Volume 2 No. 80 Windsock Mini Datafile Sopwith Tabloid No. 9 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:09:50 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Martinsyde question Message-ID: <5b.fffbebc.2783d5de@aol.com> Now that I have the Martinsyde S.1, would anyone care to let the cat out of the bag as to what it is? Apparently an early-war British airplane is about as far as my in-depth knowledge of the type extends. Nice kit, but I think people may want to consider alternatives to the all-resin landing gear and struts if you plan on having it around for awhile. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:16:00 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Fw: Sopwith Cookup References - two more Message-ID: <000901c07522$d13197c0$632c57d8@unionrai> 'Pure Luck' The Authorized Biography of Sir Thomas Sopwith 1888-1989 by Alan Bramsom The Camel File by Ray Sturtivant and Gordon Page (Air-Britain Publication) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:12:11 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Sniping Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748993@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > Hi all, > > Having almost completed the BM Snipe (NOT!) I've been stricken by an > attack of AMS to do with the shape of the gundeck forward of the pilot. > > Bluntly, the BM part doesn't bear comparison with any production Snipe, > and probably not with any prototype either. Seen in plan view the cockpit > is a "D" shape and from side view the front sides of the cockpit are > symetrical, vertical and commence at the leading edge of the padding level > with the trailing edge of the rear cabane strut. > > I'm building a 4AFC aircraft, all of which (or all of those where I can > make it out) have the usual production layout where the port forward edge > of the cockpit cutout *is* vertical but further forward (level with the LE > of the rear cabane) and the starboard edge is curved so that the top > finishes about half way between the position of the port edge and the link > ejection chutes - in other words they are asymetrical. > > Between these *sides* the *top* of the cowl is cut away to reveal the tops > of the guns - this cutout extends forward to a point about level with the > rear of the link ejection chutes. > > What I *don't* know is whether the cutout is parallel sided, or narrows > towards the front. Most of the photos don't show this and the rest are > inconclusive. I *think* that Erics kit has the edges parallel - I've gone > that way as well, but I'd LOVE some photographic evidence before the area > is irrevocably out of reach beneath the top wing > > Anyone? > > I have the Datafile, and the Profile, and a number of other photos of > Australian Snipes from various places - so anything new would be a bonus > > Just realised I have "Camel - King of Combat" too and haven't looked there > ! > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:29:46 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Internet Modeller Page Problems? Message-ID: <7f.e51c3c6.2783da8a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/2/01 1:37:36 AM EST, mikedc@dnc.net writes: << Just tried to get my monthly dose of IM and nothing seems to happen.... Even all the past issues came up with an "page cannot be found" message. Anybody else have this problem... >> Had a similar problem last night, my computer could only find the December issue from my Favorite places, but today it worked fine. I supposed it was something I couldn't fix from here after trying several times... Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:23:20 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sopwith tails Re: PE Parts Set Message-ID: <75390BF1B11E4D115AD50005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Steve, >I am shy on Sopwith refrences, and would >greatly apreciate any scans or copies of >drawings of the tail end of Sopwith machines. Not drawings but I I did take some shots of the NASM Snipe, as it hangs from the roof, it shows some detail of the tail end. http://members.nbci.com/otprojects/sopwith/museum_nasm.html Is this the sort of thing you are looking for? The NASM Snipe is an original too, dont know how much it has been reworked or restored in it's life though. cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:50:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: plywood what-if Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748996@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego > The goal for me it's to > achieve a tiny > but distinct line between stripes of similar colour, be that > varnished woodor silbergrau. > D. > But have to try oil paints someday. I've done this in three ways 1. Decal strips applied *before* painting. A little drybrushig afterwards for emphasis 2. Painted strips using some thickish Humbrol paint in a drafting bow pen. Not easy on a concave surface but okay to simulate capstrips on scratchbuilt 1/72 wings 3. Same as 2 using Mr Surfacer somewhat thinned, with the same dificulties and rather thicker lines FWIW - just some more ideas to kick about Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:53:28 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Martinsyde question Message-ID: <00e401c07530$59b3a7c0$d6f9aec7@default> > Now that I have the Martinsyde S.1, would anyone care to let the cat out of > the bag as to what it is? Apparently an early-war British airplane is about > as far as my in-depth knowledge of the type extends It's the one with the notoriously sticky Lewis gun ammo drum and bashed cockpit. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:04:48 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: lounge lizard in NO Message-ID: <002701c07532$3d2c4560$68895ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> How 'bout "That's a lovely pair of F2B's you have there!" Liable to get your face slapped a lovely shade of MvR red. (at least in Britain) -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: lounge lizard in NO >Ernie defined: >>Lounge Lizards - Build models 'just to meet chicks'. > >I bet you met a lot interested in lozenge application right? ;-) >Here are some pick up lines for those interested on meeting girls on >bachelotr's bars: >"Love your CDL, dear. Wich dope do you use?" >"Hi Baby, I'm Schneider" >"Nice tailplanes. Are you rigged?" >"Your Gotha or mine?" >"You blip me out" > >These can't fail. >D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:20:29 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: plywood what-if Message-ID: <010a01c07534$20188180$d6f9aec7@default> > > The goal for me it's to > > achieve a tiny > > but distinct line between stripes of similar colour, be that > > varnished woodor silbergrau. > > D On plywood I simulate the panels with individual pieces of ply decal (homemade). Where they butt together to form a pane line, I use a darker brown thinned down a bit and a very fine brush. Flow a little paint into the line. Since I use Acrylics now, I keep a moist swab handy to wipe the excess paint away. That leaves a nice glue line between the panels. Also works with watercolor pencil after the decalled surfacce has been sealed with Future. Moisten the tip of the pencil, overdraw the line and then clean it up with a moist swab. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:27:39 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Real OT at the model club meeting Message-ID: <011201c07535$20918ca0$d6f9aec7@default> At the model club meeting tonight, a fellow brought in a pair of gold RAF wings from an uncle who was in WWI. They looked pretty much like the RFC wings, droopy with a crown atop the center and a shield with RAF in the exact center. They were between 2 and 3 inches long. He wanted to know if these were issued only to pilots or to all RAF personel. Anyone know? sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:46:09 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Tabloid question Message-ID: <011a01c07537$b6343620$d6f9aec7@default> I just began converting the Eduard Sopwith Schnider to a Tabloid. I wanted to do it as an RNAS machine, specifically that of Cmdr. Spencer Gray who used it to bomb the Zep sheds at Cologne. One photo of this plane in the Mini DF and it doesn't show the wing markings if any. RR sez that some early RNAS tabloids had the Union Jack painted on the bottom of the lower wings. Does anyone know if this is correct for this machine (RFC # 394 later RNAS # 167). The photo was taken 8/18/14 (pre war) and shows it with the RFC # 394. The raid in question was on 10/9/14 when the machine was in the hands of the RNAS and renumbered as 167. Also the pre war photo shows no bomb rack. Other photos in the DF show Tabloids with bomb racks. Am I safe in assuming that Gay dropped his bombs from a rack similar to that seen on other Tabloids, or is there some evidence that he used another method of delivering his ordinance? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:05:43 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Sandy's Tabloid Message-ID: <001401c0753a$732c2600$522c57d8@unionrai> The Tabloid is a fairly easy conversion from the Eduard Baby. Mine is complete except for final varnishing (no, still not done yet Charlie!) - but should be ready for Cookup! (All the conversion needs is a couple of nose formers and some sheeting to give the distinctive Tabloid shape and new undercarraige. Oh and new rudder!) I can't wait to see it on the cookup page; Sandy and I visited last summer and it was on my favorites in his collection, next to the Short 184 and the Sopwith Comic and the 1 1/2 Strutter, etc. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:12:33 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Martinsyde question Message-ID: <20010103041233.87205.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, It used an 80hp Gnome. Early versions also had skids on the landing gear. They were first used as scouts, issued in ones and twos to 1,4,5,6,12,and 16 squadrons in 1914 and were contemporaries of the Tabloid and Bristol scouts and were considered inferior to both types. Some served in Mesopotamia after they were withdrawn from the Western Front in the summer of 1915. They had a top speed of approx. 87mph. Most of them that were built (around 60) were used as training a/c. I think it was Charlie Duckworth that told me he had acquired a book on Martinsyde a/c by Air Britain. Todd --- TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > Now that I have the Martinsyde S.1, would anyone > care to let the cat out of > the bag as to what it is? Apparently an early-war > British airplane is about > as far as my in-depth knowledge of the type extends. > > Nice kit, but I think people may want to consider > alternatives to the > all-resin landing gear and struts if you plan on > having it around for awhile. > > Cheers, > > Tom Cleaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Martinsydes and Models (Reprise) Message-ID: <20010103042934.51887.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> I'm hoping that if the S.1 is successful for HR Models, maybe they'll do the Elephant and Buzzard. I get the feeling the owner might check the mailing list. It seems odd that a long thread on Martinsyde models that went on late last year, moaned about the lack of 1:48 kits, and voila- HR Models announces the impending release of the S.1 soon after. Charlie D., was that you with the Air Britain Martinsyde book? TH TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:31:29 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Martinsyde question Message-ID: <7b.e6066fa.27842141@aol.com> In a message dated 1/2/01 9:56:09 PM EST, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << t's the one with the notoriously sticky Lewis gun ammo drum and bashed cockpit. >> OKayyyyy- it's the one that flipped inverted when the guy tried to pull the ammo drum! That's a step in the right direction. TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Martinsyde question Message-ID: <20010103070131.65230.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, That was Lt. Louis Strange, 6 Squadron, Martinsyde 2449, May 10, 1915. My reference said the S.1 was unstable. I imagine Lt. Strange would have agreed! Todd --- TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/2/01 9:56:09 PM EST, > smperry@mindspring.com writes: > > << t's the one with the notoriously sticky Lewis gun > ammo drum and bashed > cockpit. >> > > OKayyyyy- it's the one that flipped inverted when > the guy tried to pull the > ammo drum! That's a step in the right direction. > > TC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:01:57 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Real OT at the model club meeting Message-ID: My grandfather who was a mechanic in the RFC/RAF didn't get any, so I guess they were only for pilots or officers. /Neil -----Original Message----- From: Steven M.Perry [mailto:smperry@mindspring.com] Sent: den 3 januari 2001 04:31 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Real OT at the model club meeting At the model club meeting tonight, a fellow brought in a pair of gold RAF wings from an uncle who was in WWI. They looked pretty much like the RFC wings, droopy with a crown atop the center and a shield with RAF in the exact center. They were between 2 and 3 inches long. He wanted to know if these were issued only to pilots or to all RAF personel. Anyone know? sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: New year's report Message-ID: <20010103080310.31283.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Guinness- like German EKU- no bottle necessary. It'll hold it's shape without one!! --- Crawford Neil wrote: > > > > Hi listees > > Did you all had a nice New Year party? I had. Here > in the > > lower end of the > > american continent (you know America is not just > the U.S.A. ;-)) the > > temperature rised to almost unbearable and of > course, thirst > > was one of the > > most important feelings in the last hours of the > past > > millenium as in the > > first of the present one. > > I started on friday on a country house,eating > "asado" what > > you may call an > > argie barbacue, with red wine from Mendoza > > Is that the same as in Southern Brasil that they > call a Currasceria (IIRC), > just eat as much meat as you can, and the waiters > keep bringing more. If so > I am very envious. Not that we had it so bad, all > seafood, Lobster,crab and > so > on, west coast of Sweden means good fish. Wine was > mostly Chardonnay, which > I certainly aren't complaining about. > > > > Not having visited Ireland -yet- I can't vouch for > accuracy, > > but it looked > > just like any New York or Boston irish pub I > visited. I > > tasted a Guinness > > Did you like Guinness? I had my second Guinees ever > , still horrible! > > > > OT content? Yes, I sanded the innards of the > ultra-thick > > fuselage walls of > > my Eduard Sopwith Schneider, because something > inside me told > > me that a > > Sopwith Cook Up was riping out. > >> > > Is that the 1/72 one? I am thinking of doing that > for the cook-up > As the 1914 Schneider cup winner, would that be > acceptable? > /Neil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:14:53 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New year's report Message-ID: To be honest I'm not even sure it was Guinness, it was black with foam on top, tasted like marmite. The party had been going for a while, so all pretty hazy, I moved on to Fernet-branca which was much better! /Neil OT content: Did WW1 observation a/c have batteries? How many volts? -----Original Message----- From: Todd Hayes [mailto:thayes_52601@yahoo.com] Sent: den 3 januari 2001 09:08 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: New year's report Guinness- like German EKU- no bottle necessary. It'll hold it's shape without one!! --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 00:36:21 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Real OT at the model club meeting Message-ID: <200101030951.BAA31091@mail.rapidnet.net> Wings only went to pilots. .. half wings to observors (AFTER they had served 6 months or so). Many pilots had metal 'sweetheart' brooches (sp?) made for loved ones, but I was under the impression they were smaller. Bob ---------- >From: Crawford Neil >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Real OT at the model club meeting >Date: Wed, Jan 3, 2001, 12:07 am > > My grandfather who was a mechanic in the RFC/RAF didn't get any, > so I guess they were only for pilots or officers. > /Neil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven M.Perry [mailto:smperry@mindspring.com] > Sent: den 3 januari 2001 04:31 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Real OT at the model club meeting > > > At the model club meeting tonight, a fellow brought in a pair of gold RAF > wings from an uncle who was in WWI. They looked pretty much like the RFC > wings, droopy with a crown atop the center and a shield with RAF in the > exact center. They were between 2 and 3 inches long. > > He wanted to know if these were issued only to pilots or to all RAF > personel. > > Anyone know? > > sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:52:30 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Beginner's question about sanding wings Message-ID: Not exactly a beginners question Ken, more like a serious AMS symptom! I use double-sided tape, and a sheet of sandpaper on a flat surface. Stick the wing to your fingers and start sanding, make sure you move your finger-placing, first the middle, then one end, then the other, this is to stop sanding too much in one place. Constant checking, and moving up to ever finer grades of sandpaper is also a good thing. Check by looking along the wing, against the light for uneven reflections. Take care! /Neil -----Original Message----- From: Ken Zelnick [mailto:kzelnick@cox-internet.com] Sent: den 3 januari 2001 00:09 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Beginner's question about sanding wings Greetings, Here's a beginner's question : do any of you have any special techniques for thinning wings and removing starving cow ribs, and retaining a nice smooth curve? How do you avoid flat spots and uneven airfoils? TIA, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:31:24 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: WWI Subject: Roden Gotha G.II/III Message-ID: <3A52F16C.C6235093@bg.am.lodz.pl> New year, new model. Hope soon in the shops. http://www.rodenplant.com/HTML/gothag2.htm -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:58:29 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roden Gotha G.II/III Message-ID: <006d01c0756b$b9818ec0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gott mit Uns! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 6:35 AM Subject: Roden Gotha G.II/III > New year, new model. Hope soon in the shops. > http://www.rodenplant.com/HTML/gothag2.htm > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:04:48 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: New year's report Message-ID: <007b01c0756c$9bbac400$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > OT content: Did WW1 observation a/c have batteries? How many volts? Certainly. I can't say voltage, but the ones I've seen in pictures looked like medium sized black boxes or cylinders, and had a pair of connectors on top. I guess that those connectors might have been colour keyed, just like modern car batteries. > I moved on to Fernet-branca which > was much better! That's just because the first part! ;-) Diego, of course, Fernetti ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 03:24:56 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden Gotha G.II/III Message-ID: <200101031239.EAA01880@mail.rapidnet.net> You too? I got some real cool ones that have the cutaway fingertips and a foldover 'mitten' portion to keep aforementioned fingertips warm when not needed. Sorry .. couldn't help myself Bob ---------- >From: "dfernet0" > Gott mit Uns! > D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:27:44 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roden Gotha G.II/III Message-ID: <00c001c07578$31bd78c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ha ha ha :-p D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Roden Gotha G.II/III > You too? I got some real cool ones that have the cutaway fingertips and a > foldover 'mitten' portion to keep aforementioned fingertips warm when not > needed. > > Sorry .. couldn't help myself > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: "dfernet0" > > > Gott mit Uns! > > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:31:23 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Roden Gotha G.II/III Message-ID: ROTFLMAO at both of you /Neil -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson [mailto:bpearson@rapidnet.net] Sent: den 3 januari 2001 12:30 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Roden Gotha G.II/III You too? I got some real cool ones that have the cutaway fingertips and a foldover 'mitten' portion to keep aforementioned fingertips warm when not needed. Sorry .. couldn't help myself Bob ---------- >From: "dfernet0" > Gott mit Uns! > D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:14:06 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New year's report Message-ID: You've probably been looking at the same photo as me, the one Jim Landon asked us to look at. I think that the box on the floor is a battery, the wireless set looks different. On the RE8 there is a battery similar to the "Salmson box" and a wireless with what looks like a coil on the front. But Jim says this: >snip >I re-scanned the photo one component at a time at 1200 dpi. The thing that >everybody thinks is a battery has an identification plate on it and you can >barely make out the word "INDUCTANCE". I borrowed two radio books from my >boss and it says they tried using batteries but abandoned it in favor of the >wind-driven generator. And it sounds like they needed big inductance coils >to make the antenna work. >I spotted the telegraph key and created an enlargement of it. I think I've >almost got it all figured out. >I'm going to post the enlarged pictures on the web site soon as I get a >chance On the Spad 16, the french ones had no generator, but the USAF museum machine has, I think the french equipped 2-seat SPADS and Salmsons with batteries. Generators came later. Please comment and I will send it over to Jim after. Finally ot, what does Fernet and Fernetti mean? /Neil -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] Sent: den 3 januari 2001 11:11 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: New year's report ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > OT content: Did WW1 observation a/c have batteries? How many volts? Certainly. I can't say voltage, but the ones I've seen in pictures looked like medium sized black boxes or cylinders, and had a pair of connectors on top. I guess that those connectors might have been colour keyed, just like modern car batteries. > I moved on to Fernet-branca which > was much better! That's just because the first part! ;-) Diego, of course, Fernetti ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2941 **********************