WWI Digest 2937 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Happy New Year! by "Ken Zelnick" 2) Re: PE Control horns by Witold Kozakiewicz 3) Re: Sopwith Kits by Witold Kozakiewicz 4) Re: Happy New Year by Witold Kozakiewicz 5) Re: Classifications of modellers by Witold Kozakiewicz 6) Re: Sopwith Cookup by Witold Kozakiewicz 7) Re: Sopwith Choices by Mark Miller 8) Re: German Field Kitchen - gulashkanone ( Gulaschkanone) / How to paint horses by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 9) covered in "bloody" wires. Yuck. & bonus Cockney tangent. by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 10) First one of the New Year by "Steven M.Perry" 11) Re: Sopwith Cookup by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 12) Happy New Year by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 13) Internet Modeler of the new Millennium! by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 14) Re: Happy New Year (awwwwww) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 15) Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts by MAnde72343@aol.com 16) Re: Happy New Year (awwwwww) by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 17) Re: Classifications of modellers by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 18) Re: Sopwith Kits by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 19) RE: covered in "bloody" wires. Yuck. & bonus Cockney tangent. by "Ray Boorman" 20) Re: covered in "bloody" wires. Yuck. & bonus Cockney tangent. by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 21) Re: Happy New Year! by KarrArt@aol.com 22) 1st one of the New Year by "Dale Sebring" 23) PE Parts Set by "Steven M.Perry" 24) Sop Tripes by "Steven M.Perry" 25) January Internet Modeler by "Alberto Casirati" 26) Re: Sop Tripes by Todd Hayes 27) Sopwiths that no models exist for by "Ray Boorman" 28) Re: Sopwiths that no models exist for by Todd Hayes 29) Re: Sopwiths that no models exist for by Todd Hayes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 00:35:37 -0600 From: "Ken Zelnick" To: Subject: Happy New Year! Message-ID: <000f01c073bd$11e66960$8664b4d0@tcac.net> It's now a new year/century/millennium here in frozen Arkansas. Best wishes to all. Just think -- some of us will be able to tell people we spent New Year's Eve with a beautiful model! ;) Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:31:28 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PE Control horns Message-ID: <3A505C80.5F992B0D@bg.am.lodz.pl> John Huggins napisa³(a): > > For what it is worth, I have to go along with the pin method (better > attachment with less breakage) and add the hole in the end of the > horn. That's just like I prepared my set. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:53:44 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Kits Message-ID: <3A5061B8.A6DF7684@bg.am.lodz.pl> cameron rile napisa³(a): > Pup; > 1/48 Flashback Sopwith Navy Pup, Injection Moulded And the same model earlier was released by Eduard. Multimedia kit -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:57:20 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy New Year Message-ID: <3A506290.C71D7D17@bg.am.lodz.pl> Szczesliwego Nowego Roku = Happy New Year. Let the next year/century/millenium be better than last one for all of you and your families. On Saturday the winter came here - about 20cm of fresh white snow. Realy nice view. I also finished my Albatros D.II conversion on saturday evening. That was really good year for me. All the best. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:41:06 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Classifications of modellers Message-ID: <3A505EC2.D8C86105@bg.am.lodz.pl> Shane wrote: >historians - build to solidify history, from reading or whatever >artists - build to evoke a feeling >craftsmen - build for the joy of the handwork >collectors - build to collect, for example all Albatros types, or just "as >many different types as possible". Not to be confused with real collectors >who wouldn't dare *build* a model and accidental collectors who would build >one - if they had the time :-) I've never thought about me in this categories, but end of the year allways is a good time to think about myself (not only as a modeler). So I'm collector (as many types as possible), rather craftman than artist and a little historian but each one of us is part of historian/artist/craftsman/collector IMO. Good classification Shane, and interesting idea. Thanks. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:48:46 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Cookup Message-ID: <3A50608E.3A060AB9@bg.am.lodz.pl> cameron rile napisa³(a): > If anyone still has thier builds > that they have to send in pictures for, please send them whenever you > feel like or whenever you finish, they will be put up. Great, I send you my Albatros D.II finished just before the end of the millenium. I only have to take some pictures. > > Is anyone against the Sopwith Cookup starting with the new year? And > is anyone against the Sopwith Cookup having a tentative goal date of > six months? That is OK for me. > I think with this one I will break the Sopwith aircraft out into > their types, as their is more variation in their shapes than with the > Albatros marque. Good idea. > So all in favour? Count me in with BM Dolphin, Snipe and Toko Strutter. If Eduard release their Camels I try to add it to the c-u list. Happy Cook-Up -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2001 08:20:30 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Choices Message-ID: <20010101162030.17819.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi all I'm still plugging away on my virtual DVa - although progress has been halted recently because I'm trying to put together a web site. It's more work than I thought it would be. In any case, here's my Sopwith choice - name - Mark Miller scale - 1/48 manufacturer - Eduard aircraft - Sopwith Pup pilot or markings - ?? This is one of the earlier Eduard releases, and I don't think it was on the kit list. It will be nice to do some "physical" modeling for a change Happy New year Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:38:05 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German Field Kitchen - gulashkanone ( Gulaschkanone) / How to paint horses Message-ID: Dear Nigel, Thank you very much for your suggestions. I believe that when I sit down to paint the horses, I will use artists oils. For other livestock like chickens, pigs, geese, perhaps the acrylics will be better, I don't know. I'll have to look for paints other than Tamiya's as I find that they are very unforgiving of the brush. ~Steve In a message dated 12/31/0 2:51:37 PM, nigel@rosnar.freeserve.co.uk writes: << - If you can, use artists oils. This is the best way to get realistic looking horses, and the natrural sheen of the oils is quite a good representation of a horse's coat (they are not glossy). If you don't want to use oils, use artists acrylics. You will find it difficult to get realistic looking horses using enamels because the colours are not right for horses and you have to be quite expert at mixing to get good looking horse colours (unless you do a grey, which is one of the most difficult to do and very unlikely to be found dragging a field kitchen). Whereas with oils or acrylics, burnt umber and burnt sienna are the ideal statring point for a bay or chestnut horse. - My favourite way of using artists oils is to undercoat the horse in white and then lay down an unthinned coat of the appropriate colours. I then use small pieces of household sponge (with a fine "grain" or whatever it is you call the holes in a sponge) to gently lift the oil paint away from the highlights. This gives a very realistic finish and if you don't like it you just slop some more paint on and start again. If you want to get clever, you can work the sponge in the direction of the hair on the horse's coat to give an impression of the texture of the coat. You may need to just emphasize some of the shading with a darker version of the coat colours using a brush. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:49:41 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: covered in "bloody" wires. Yuck. & bonus Cockney tangent. Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/0 2:57:28 PM, nigel@rosnar.freeserve.co.uk writes: << British things are covered in bloody wires >> Yuck. Bloody from what? Did someone have to clean it? Incidentally, speaking of having "a butcher's" as someone recently did . . . let me see if I remember my Cockney formula: As a Cockney in the nineteenth century I was told it was at times helpful to be able to speak so that the police could not understand. Hence, to say, "We better go take (or have) a look" you'd choose a word that rhymes with "look", say, "book". Then you'd take another word that begins with "b" and use that as your word for "look". How far off am I? ~an American. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 02:35:28 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: First one of the New Year Message-ID: <000701c073c5$6f3a09c0$6ff0aec7@default> I'll claim the first model finished in 2001. (01:30). Yes I did spend New Years Eve with a model. Just finished the Hit Kit Ansaldo A.1 Balilla. It's done in natural wood and CDL and is in Polish Markings. Photos at: http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/a1.htm This kit has three problem areas outside the extensive parts cleanup required. The cockpit PE is too wide. I just cut grooves in the interior wall rather than grind out the whole thing. The lower wing and the lower nose piece will require a bit of filling. Finally the struts are too long and the holes for them in the wing are one bay farther out on the top wing than the ones on the bottom and this is incorrect. Not insurmountable problems, but the kit does require some extra work. The decals worked fine after a coat of clear decal film. If you like the sharp looking Balilla, then don't shy away from this kit, just approach it knowing you will have to work a bit on it. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:18:19 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Cookup Message-ID: <6b.de66d65.2781b36b@aol.com> In a message dated 01/01/01 01:14:20 GMT Standard Time, haeusler@tm.net.my writes: << "Is anyone against the Sopwith Cookup starting with the new year? And is anyone against the Sopwith Cookup having a tentative goal date of six months?" >> Got one done! Not like me. Matt must be sending out an enthusiasm bug with these emails cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 02:10:50 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Happy New Year Message-ID: <9c.a558e6e.2781877a@aol.com> For those of you freezing in the dark back east who are always ragging about we Californians, Happy New Year from the Lower Left Sprawl, where just 54 minutes till New Year it is 55F and been nice all day (heh heh heh). For everyone, happy 2001 - jeez, I always thought that was just a movie title, I mean, I'd be pretty old if I lived that long.... I am? I am!! :-) Tomorow we're going to sit here in the living room and listen to the entire 8 hour broadcast of the radio dramatization of Walter Mosley's novel "Black Betty." And we'll do so with an official dispensation for me to be working on the Boeing biplanes triple-header while doing so, while SWMBO sits there working on one of her projects. SWMBO said "what a pair of putzes!" I said, "Nope, just auld phartz." But any year that starts with an official dispensation to be modelling during "together time" is starting out right, believe me! I shall pour a glass of Domaine Ste. Michel Brut raise it to you and down it to my enjoyment. At US$10/bottle, been compared favorably by picky critics with French champagnes at US$150/bottle - does this mean I can spend $140 "saved" dollars on models??????? Best to you and yours this coming year. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:49:14 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: Internet Modeler of the new Millennium! Message-ID: Yup, folks, it's up there waiting for you to gaze in awe and wonder at the latest great stuff. WWI content is pretty good, with an armored car and a Fokker E.IV. But the best part is you get to vote for your best cover of last year! Pop on over and check it out! http://www.internetmodeler.com Sincerely, Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Illustrator Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 02:01:32 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy New Year (awwwwww) Message-ID: <92.e73601e.2781854c@aol.com> In a message dated 12/31/00 10:18:47 PM EST, solosycd@primus.com.au writes: << I would add: or a galute. >> Is that anything like a "galoot"? TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:05:00 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts Message-ID: <54.e114d4f.27822edc@aol.com> --part1_54.e114d4f.27822edc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Withold, is Part going to do a set for the Pfalz DIII/IIIa? With the Roden and MAC kits out, a set with the detail parts would be appreciated. If he does the Radiators (needed on the Roden kit) could he etch them through like Toms, as opposed to the half etch of Eduard. TIA Merrill --part1_54.e114d4f.27822edc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Withold, is Part going to do a set for the Pfalz DIII/IIIa?  With the Roden
and MAC kits out, a set with the detail parts would be appreciated. If he
does the Radiators (needed on the Roden kit) could he etch them through like
Toms, as opposed to the half etch of Eduard.
TIA
Merrill

--part1_54.e114d4f.27822edc_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 23:01:54 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy New Year (awwwwww) Message-ID: <3A5071B2.8BFFB137@tac.com.au> Shane Weier wrote: > > Shane the young and frisky says: > > > Dill = fool, clumsy, getting old & can only drink two bottles of red > > ;-þ - you get the drift ;-) > > Gee mate, thanks. And only after one slab of beer too. > > Ahhh, that's better - why didn't you say you had a slab ya drongo ;-) > > >So there's still time to say Happy New Year and New Millennium! :-) > > > > Ahh someone else who enjoys being "technically correct" ;-)) > > Me too, me too. Macca on Australia all Over (ABC Radio) called last years > effort "The Millenium Rupert had to have" On ya cobber!! > Gotta agree. What a beat up. Too right. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:07:18 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Classifications of modellers Message-ID: <57.fa1a967.2781b0d6@aol.com> can I puy "aspirations to all of the above"? With a heavy accent an "aspirations" Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:15:30 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Kits Message-ID: In a message dated 01/01/01 00:16:24 GMT Standard Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Add 1/48 Waldo Sopwith Dolphin Resin/whie metal >> But dont forget to add "(deceased)" ;) Peter L aka Waldo (50%) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:30:12 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: covered in "bloody" wires. Yuck. & bonus Cockney tangent. Message-ID: Stephen, Its not that bloomin well organised. Not sure about the Peelers/Coppers etc. I always thought it was from the East End of London (Cockneys are born within the hearing of Bow Bells) and was often used in the Fish and Meat Markets. Lets see one of those would be Billingsgate and the other would be Spittlefields. Of course I'm probably totally wrong. I think the idea was that anyone from elsewhere was not supposed to know what was being said. Other examples Apple and pears=stairs Cup of Rosie-Lee =cup of tea Mince Pies=Eyes Basicly its a word or saying that sounds right but swaps with the word you are ryming with and you can make them up as you go. Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Stephendigiacomo@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: covered in "bloody" wires. Yuck. & bonus Cockney tangent. In a message dated 12/31/0 2:57:28 PM, nigel@rosnar.freeserve.co.uk writes: << British things are covered in bloody wires >> Yuck. Bloody from what? Did someone have to clean it? Incidentally, speaking of having "a butcher's" as someone recently did . . . let me see if I remember my Cockney formula: As a Cockney in the nineteenth century I was told it was at times helpful to be able to speak so that the police could not understand. Hence, to say, "We better go take (or have) a look" you'd choose a word that rhymes with "look", say, "book". Then you'd take another word that begins with "b" and use that as your word for "look". How far off am I? ~an American. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:32:22 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: covered in "bloody" wires. Yuck. & bonus Cockney tangent. Message-ID: In a message dated 01/01/01 18:12:24 GMT Standard Time, Stephendigiacomo@aol.com writes: << . Then you'd take another word that begins with "b" and use that as your word for "look". How far off am I? >> Close but no cigar. Butchers = butchers hook=look. The most complicated one I know is " 'aris" = aristottle=bottle=bottle and glass= @R$e. Maybe a certain listee "darnsarf" can furnish equally complex examples. Obligatory WW1 content: No doubt many a WW1 trench rat dropped his "bottle" first time under fire. cheers Peter L up't'north ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 02:30:00 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy New Year! Message-ID: <6f.f2ce0c6.27818bf8@aol.com> In a message dated 12/31/00 10:36:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, kzelnick@cox-internet.com writes: << It's now a new year/century/millennium here in frozen Arkansas. Best wishes to all. Just think -- some of us will be able to tell people we spent New Year's Eve with a beautiful model! ;) Ken Zelnick >> Man, you Arkansas dudes must've really got hit. A friend of a friend in West Fork just outside Fayetteville hasn't been able to leave their hill in four days. I spent one Christmas back there, about 1956/7- I was little- it snowed about 3 big flakes. All the kids who got sleds that year were bummed! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:47:56 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: 1st one of the New Year Message-ID: <000e01c0742b$bdd45980$85b58dd0@main> Steve, nice job. Love those Italian beauties!!! Happy New To All. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:25:42 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: PE Parts Set Message-ID: <00f501c07431$04292a00$57f9aec7@default> I heard from Fred Hultberg of Fotocut. He is interested in working with us to produce a set of PE parts. He mentioned trading the rights to the artwork for an agreed number of sets. This seems like a good idea as we could get a certian number of sets for "free" and he could produce more commercially so they would be available for some time. Since the things on our list are not commonly avaiable except on fairly type specific frets, then there should be a higher demand for them than type specific sets. Below is a portion of his response which answers some questions about the artwork. First, about artwork/booklet, which is really one question: As far as I am concerned, feel free to make and distribute copies of my old booklet(what could I do to stop you, anyway?) as it can answer all questions for beginners. To answer advanced questions would require about 2,500 pages, samples, etc, and now with better conputer-generated art(keep in mind, the booklet was done up in 1976!) it would require even more. Hand-drawings always work even to-day. Simple rules: BLACK is metal, WHITE is air. Couldn't be much simpler...reduction is the best way to go. I myself prefer 4:1, as it's a good compromise between cost and ease and sharpness. Larger is OK but would cost more because of intermediate camera/print steps, but I often use 16:1 or more just because that' how I like to do things(gives a better job), especially if there will be more than a coupla sets on a sheet. "While you're doing camera and print steps, make a couple-few and - well, you do the math - it's not too bad economically. Three(say) intermediate neg's at 4:1 from 16:1, stripped together and make maybe four prints, you get twelve-up artwork at 4:1 size." (example only) With careful planning, there is no reason why the same artwork couldn't be used in *any* scale. I do... To save cost and "plate" space, keep the pieces close together. (Then for ease of separating sets from each other, leave a little space.) Lack of sprue tabs makes this ideal, as you don't need space for cutting/snipping/etc. You can also put things inside of open spaces. I stole a look at the bulkhead sketch, and it is my opinion the whole lots of little stuff like your control horns and tee-handles could be placed inside the otherwise empty spaces in the bulkhead. (BTW, how about pidgeon cages/containers?) One thought that may make a *pile* of difference: don't try to mix things that should be done in different thicknesses on one sheet, the whole sheet is the same thickness. While I'm on that, allow minimum three times the depth of etch for minimum detail size, positive *or* negative for the best and cleanest etching. That "three times" is *after reduction,* of course! So Lance, if you have that Fotocut booklet, I'd sure appreciate a copy. If we end up trading artwork for a number of sets, then anyone who contributes any information or artwork will go on the list for a free set. I'm not sure how many sets he has in mind for an exchange at this point and we may have interest on this List exceeding what he may be able to reasonably offer. If that is the case then we'll cut a deal for the number of sets we need at the most reasonable discount we can get. I'll post more when I communicate further with him. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:40:35 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Sop Tripes Message-ID: <00ff01c07433$1872ba60$57f9aec7@default> I am in need of a scan of the Eduard Sopwith Triplane instructions. (BvB took care of my set). If anyone can help out, please give me a shout. I am also very interested in aquiring 2 Revell Sopwith Tripe kits (or any other 1/72 Sop Tripe kit). Trade or cash, whatever it takes. TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:16:28 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: January Internet Modeler Message-ID: <001501c07438$1fd02860$e00e623e@s> Another excellent issue: congratulations to all contributors and, of course, to the editorial staff !!! All the very best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:41:20 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sop Tripes Message-ID: <20010101214120.72849.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, I'll send you a photocopy of the instructions if you'd like. Which kit? Black Flight or other? Todd --- "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > I am in need of a scan of the Eduard Sopwith > Triplane instructions. (BvB > took care of my set). If anyone can help out, please > give me a shout. > > I am also very interested in aquiring 2 Revell > Sopwith Tripe kits (or any > other 1/72 Sop Tripe kit). Trade or cash, whatever > it takes. > > TIA > sp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:53:44 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "wwi" Subject: Sopwiths that no models exist for Message-ID: Lets see since we have most of the models listed, how about some Sopwiths that would have to be scratchbuilt. This list is by no means even close to complete btw year Name Type 1913 Sopwith D1 Three seat Biplane 1913/14 Batboat Type 2 (The Joystick model is a 1a the type 2 is larger) Biplane Flying Boat 1913 HT Seaplane Biplane/Floatplane Inline engine HT=Hydro Tractor. Several types one of which was entered in the 1913 Circuit of Britain 1913 Tabloid Single seat biplanes More than one type (SS1 SS3 Type R ????) 1913/14 Sociable or Churchill - Enlarged tabloid multi seat side by side hence the name. 1913/14 Sopwith SPGn (Sopwith Pusher Gun Carrier may also have been the Sopwith Gunbus 1914 Type 137 Seaplane Biplane 1914 Spinning Jenny or Two Seat Scout Landplane version of the Folder 1914/15 Type 860 Seaplane Large two seat Seaplane 1915 Sigrists Bus. Said to be the ancestor of the 1 1/2 Strutter. 1915 SLTBP Sopwith Light tractor Biplane One of the Ancestors of the Pup. May also have been called the Sparrow 1917 Sopwith Bee (one of Harry Hawkers runabouts, diminutive biplane 50hp Gnome) 1916 Hispano triplane (Larger than a Clerget triplane btw) 1916 LRTTr Long Range tractor triplane Ugly looking plane would be great as a scratchbuild - Hispano powered 1917 Sopwith B1 and B2 Large single seat Hispano powered biplane Bombers ancestors of the T1 Cuckoo 1918 Scooter single seat monoplane Camel - runabout used by Harry Hawker (My favorite aircraft) 1918 Swallow Military development of the Scooter 1918 Dragon, Unsuccessful Dragonfly engined Snipe 1918 TF1 ground attack Camel conversion. 1918 Buffalo two seat ground attack aircraft - looks similar to a Salamander on Steroids with a rear gunner 1917 3F2 Hippo two seat negative stagger biplane Looks like a rotary engined Dolphin with rear gunner 1917/18 2FR2 Bulldog Two seater looks like a Snipe another great looking aircraft 1917 2B2 Rhino - another triplane. two seater inline engine (And you thought there was only one Sopwith Triplane) 1918 8F1 Snail ABC Radial engine (Wasp) Single seater 1918 Snark ABC Dragonfly engined Triplane - Single Seater 1918 Snapper Biplane ABC engined Single seater 1918 Cobham Triplane long range twin engined bomber (DH10 - Vimy Sized) Problem was ABC engines again 1918 Atlantic Built for the unsuccessful Daily Mail transatlantic flight by Hawker and Mackenzie-Grieve 1919 Gnu - Postwar built for passengers and freight single engined staggered wing biplane 1919 Wallaby - Similar to the Atlantic built for the prize for the first Australian to fly home from Europe 1919 Antelope - Wallaby development to carry passengers and freight. 1919 Grasshopper - Two seat tourer, Radial engined looks similar to the Camel with two bay wings. 1919 Schneider / Rainbow. Same aircraft Schneider was a floatplane built for the Schneider trophy, renamed Rainbow in landplane form. Looks like a Bullet with baby wings and floats as far as I can see anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:05:20 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwiths that no models exist for Message-ID: <20010101220520.75820.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ray, HR Models is working on a 1:72 Swallow, and I think maybe a Cuckoo. I'd like to have a 1:48 Batboat, Tabloid, and Gunbus. Todd --- Ray Boorman wrote: > Lets see since we have most of the models listed, > how about some Sopwiths > that would have to be scratchbuilt. This list is by > no means even close to > complete btw > > year Name Type > 1913 Sopwith D1 Three seat Biplane > 1913/14 Batboat Type 2 (The Joystick model is a > 1a the type 2 is larger) > Biplane Flying Boat > 1913 HT Seaplane Biplane/Floatplane Inline > engine HT=Hydro Tractor. > Several types one of which was entered in the 1913 > Circuit of Britain > > 1913 Tabloid Single seat biplanes > More than one type (SS1 > SS3 Type R ????) > 1913/14 Sociable or Churchill - Enlarged tabloid > multi seat side by side > hence the name. > 1913/14 Sopwith SPGn (Sopwith Pusher Gun Carrier > may also have been the > Sopwith Gunbus > 1914 Type 137 Seaplane Biplane > 1914 Spinning Jenny or Two Seat Scout > Landplane version of the Folder > 1914/15 Type 860 Seaplane Large two seat > Seaplane > 1915 Sigrists Bus. Said to be the ancestor of the > 1 1/2 Strutter. > 1915 SLTBP Sopwith Light tractor Biplane One > of the Ancestors of the > Pup. May also have been called the Sparrow > 1917 Sopwith Bee (one of Harry Hawkers runabouts, > diminutive biplane 50hp > Gnome) > 1916 Hispano triplane (Larger than a Clerget > triplane btw) > 1916 LRTTr Long Range tractor triplane Ugly > looking plane would be great > as a scratchbuild - Hispano powered > 1917 Sopwith B1 and B2 Large single seat > Hispano powered biplane > Bombers ancestors of the T1 Cuckoo > 1918 Scooter single seat monoplane Camel - > runabout used by Harry Hawker > (My favorite aircraft) > 1918 Swallow Military development of the Scooter > 1918 Dragon, Unsuccessful Dragonfly engined Snipe > 1918 TF1 ground attack Camel conversion. > 1918 Buffalo two seat ground attack aircraft - > looks similar to a > Salamander on Steroids with a rear gunner > 1917 3F2 Hippo two seat negative stagger biplane > Looks like a rotary > engined Dolphin with rear gunner > 1917/18 2FR2 Bulldog Two seater looks like a Snipe > another great looking > aircraft > 1917 2B2 Rhino - another triplane. two seater > inline engine (And you > thought there was only one Sopwith Triplane) > 1918 8F1 Snail ABC Radial engine (Wasp) Single > seater > 1918 Snark ABC Dragonfly engined Triplane - Single > Seater > 1918 Snapper Biplane ABC engined Single seater > 1918 Cobham Triplane long range twin engined > bomber (DH10 - Vimy Sized) > Problem was ABC engines again > 1918 Atlantic Built for the unsuccessful Daily > Mail transatlantic flight > by Hawker and Mackenzie-Grieve > 1919 Gnu - Postwar built for passengers and > freight single engined > staggered wing biplane > 1919 Wallaby - Similar to the Atlantic built for > the prize for the first > Australian to fly home from Europe > 1919 Antelope - Wallaby development to carry > passengers and freight. > 1919 Grasshopper - Two seat tourer, Radial engined > looks similar to the > Camel with two bay wings. > 1919 Schneider / Rainbow. Same aircraft > Schneider was a floatplane > built for the Schneider trophy, renamed Rainbow in > landplane form. Looks > like a Bullet with baby wings and floats as far as I > can see anyway. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:14:09 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwiths that no models exist for Message-ID: <20010101221409.75640.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Scratch the HR Swallow. It's being done in 1:72 by RVHP. --- Ray Boorman wrote: > Lets see since we have most of the models listed, > how about some Sopwiths > that would have to be scratchbuilt. This list is by > no means even close to > complete btw > > year Name Type > 1913 Sopwith D1 Three seat Biplane > 1913/14 Batboat Type 2 (The Joystick model is a > 1a the type 2 is larger) > Biplane Flying Boat > 1913 HT Seaplane Biplane/Floatplane Inline > engine HT=Hydro Tractor. > Several types one of which was entered in the 1913 > Circuit of Britain > > 1913 Tabloid Single seat biplanes > More than one type (SS1 > SS3 Type R ????) > 1913/14 Sociable or Churchill - Enlarged tabloid > multi seat side by side > hence the name. > 1913/14 Sopwith SPGn (Sopwith Pusher Gun Carrier > may also have been the > Sopwith Gunbus > 1914 Type 137 Seaplane Biplane > 1914 Spinning Jenny or Two Seat Scout > Landplane version of the Folder > 1914/15 Type 860 Seaplane Large two seat > Seaplane > 1915 Sigrists Bus. Said to be the ancestor of the > 1 1/2 Strutter. > 1915 SLTBP Sopwith Light tractor Biplane One > of the Ancestors of the > Pup. May also have been called the Sparrow > 1917 Sopwith Bee (one of Harry Hawkers runabouts, > diminutive biplane 50hp > Gnome) > 1916 Hispano triplane (Larger than a Clerget > triplane btw) > 1916 LRTTr Long Range tractor triplane Ugly > looking plane would be great > as a scratchbuild - Hispano powered > 1917 Sopwith B1 and B2 Large single seat > Hispano powered biplane > Bombers ancestors of the T1 Cuckoo > 1918 Scooter single seat monoplane Camel - > runabout used by Harry Hawker > (My favorite aircraft) > 1918 Swallow Military development of the Scooter > 1918 Dragon, Unsuccessful Dragonfly engined Snipe > 1918 TF1 ground attack Camel conversion. > 1918 Buffalo two seat ground attack aircraft - > looks similar to a > Salamander on Steroids with a rear gunner > 1917 3F2 Hippo two seat negative stagger biplane > Looks like a rotary > engined Dolphin with rear gunner > 1917/18 2FR2 Bulldog Two seater looks like a Snipe > another great looking > aircraft > 1917 2B2 Rhino - another triplane. two seater > inline engine (And you > thought there was only one Sopwith Triplane) > 1918 8F1 Snail ABC Radial engine (Wasp) Single > seater > 1918 Snark ABC Dragonfly engined Triplane - Single > Seater > 1918 Snapper Biplane ABC engined Single seater > 1918 Cobham Triplane long range twin engined > bomber (DH10 - Vimy Sized) > Problem was ABC engines again > 1918 Atlantic Built for the unsuccessful Daily > Mail transatlantic flight > by Hawker and Mackenzie-Grieve > 1919 Gnu - Postwar built for passengers and > freight single engined > staggered wing biplane > 1919 Wallaby - Similar to the Atlantic built for > the prize for the first > Australian to fly home from Europe > 1919 Antelope - Wallaby development to carry > passengers and freight. > 1919 Grasshopper - Two seat tourer, Radial engined > looks similar to the > Camel with two bay wings. > 1919 Schneider / Rainbow. Same aircraft > Schneider was a floatplane > built for the Schneider trophy, renamed Rainbow in > landplane form. Looks > like a Bullet with baby wings and floats as far as I > can see anyway. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2937 **********************