WWI Digest 2919 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Snipe Finished by "Dale Sebring" 2) Re: Plastic under the tree? by "Hans Trauner" 3) Re: Secret Handshake? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 4) Re: Secret Handshake? by "Bob Pearson" 5) Re: Secret Handshake? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 6) a little late but... by "Gaston Graf" 7) Re: Woodman method scratchbuilt wings by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 8) scratchbuilt wings by "Dale Sebring" 9) RE: What a great Xmas present!!- you forgot something by "Ray Boorman" 10) Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 by "David Calhoun" 11) Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 by Todd Hayes 12) Re: Season's Greetings by Steve Cox 13) Re: Snipe Finished by "Michael S. Alvarado" 14) Re: Revell OT kits (Was Your (my) OT kit of the year) by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" 15) Holiday Wishes by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 16) Re: a little late but... by Lee Mensinger 17) Re: What a great Xmas present!!- you forgot something by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 18) Re: Plastic under the tree? by GRBroman@aol.com 19) How Limited Are Limited Edition Kits? by Todd Hayes 20) Web site by Dennis Ugulano 21) Mercedes Madness by Dave Watts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 08:22:49 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Snipe Finished Message-ID: <004101c06e86$8b945100$64b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: RE: Snipe Finished > In a message dated 12/24/2000 2:21:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > > << Snipe Finished >> > Well done Steve, Beautiful job on the Snipe, I like those stars on her, > something different I really must get moving on my Albatros, although I have > injured myself and will be out of work for a week or two however I am flat on > my back most of the time due to the fact that I have a Dorsal spine strain, > dorsal? I didn't know I even had a Dorsal. Slipped on the ice while removing > he Christmas tree from the roof of my Jeep. Just as well we have had two > major Refinery fires in the last two days and I'm not at all unhappy to miss > those. Anyway friends Merry Christmas & Happy holidays to all of you. > Best regards, > Jon > Jon V. Theisen > 7532 Lawndale Ave. > Phila., PA 19111-2706 Jon, take care of yourself, believe me a back is very important to a quality life. Having broken mine in several places, please so as the doc says!!! OK? The very best to you & yours, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 16:40:52 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Plastic under the tree? Message-ID: <006401c06e89$10b2c4a0$57a072d4@custom-pc> Yeah! There was a Dragon 1/48 Fokker DVIII incl. Goerth's bust and a Flashback ( Eduard re-issue) Siemens D III, which differs from the original : decals and resin parts are reworked. Hans -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ernest Thomas An: Multiple recipients of list Datum: Montag, 25. Dezember 2000 16:26 Betreff: Plastic under the tree? >Hi All, >Ok, I got a Tamiya Swordfish, which is ot but it's still got lots of >struts and strings. >And best of all, I got permission to stay home and have the house to >myself while Mrs. Claus takes the kids to MiL's house(YESH!!!) >Merry Kwanza to all and I hope you all are having a great one. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 10:38:21 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <000901c06e88$b74cdf90$c637183f@cyrixp166> Just toss an RNAS question. The speed of reply will bend time & space. ;-p Cyg. > Sometimes I just don't feel like typing > anymore ... or doing research that requires me to move from my chair. When > it is something specific that I think others won't answer I'll do so. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 07:48:58 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <200012251702.JAA08776@mail.rapidnet.net> Like this? Bob ---------- >From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? >Date: Mon, Dec 25, 2000, 7:47 am > > Just toss an RNAS question. The speed of reply will bend time & space. ;-p > > Cyg. > > >> Sometimes I just don't feel like typing >> anymore ... or doing research that requires me to move from my chair. When >> it is something specific that I think others won't answer I'll do so. >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 10:53:17 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <009b01c06e8a$cd1cc1d0$c637183f@cyrixp166> Egads man! Hope you are having a very merry Christmas in the Great North! Regards, Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? > Like this? > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? > >Date: Mon, Dec 25, 2000, 7:47 am > > > > > Just toss an RNAS question. The speed of reply will bend time & space. ;-p > > > > Cyg. > > > > > >> Sometimes I just don't feel like typing > >> anymore ... or doing research that requires me to move from my chair. When > >> it is something specific that I think others won't answer I'll do so. > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:17:16 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: a little late but... Message-ID: ...I too wanted to wish you all a merry merry chrismas and many lucky brushstrokes on your models as well as many finished new models in the new year of 2001. Thank you Thomas and Withold for sharing the Polish traditions with us. To me it sounds a bit like the land of the Hobbits - the funny little fellows of the "Lord of the Rings" trilogie who love to party and eat a lot of dishes on every feast they hold. Maybe J.R.R. tolkien was the guest of a Polish family before he had the great idea to write the most wonderful fantasy story of all times? I wonder ;o). In Luxembourg traditions vary a lot. Because it is a rich country many wealthy people tend to overdo it with luxury parties, eating a lot of expensive food. The average people generally cook something special for chrismas eve, mostly of the French and/or Luxemburgish kitchen, but there are no special traditions to follow (afaIk). In our family we keep it simple because we dislike the extravagance. To us chrismas is the feast of love, and should not become the feast of overdone commerce. Also most Luxemburgers put up their chrismas trees already early in December while we prefer to follow the German traditions of my wife to put up the tree only on December 24. Because the kids receive already their pile of gifts on St. Nicolas day they receive only small gifts for chrismas. We as a German/Luxemburgish couple try to follow the traditions of both of our contries a bit so I can imagine well that the same applies to other international families. btw: under the tree I found no model kits but a WACOM graphics tablet for picture editing on my puter. Really a nice tool, not only for picture editing but also for playing and handwriting. sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > - herrings on sour cream; > - herrings on vinegar and oil; > - red beetroot soup with... > - ravioli (dough pockets) with mushrooms > - carp with... > - special light bread with poppyseed; > - ravioli with cabbage; > - ravioli with poppyseed; > - fried cabbage with peas; > - carp soup; > - stewed prune; > - poppyseed cake; > - cheese cake; ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:53:12 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Woodman method scratchbuilt wings Message-ID: <63.f947a6f.2778d578@aol.com> Bucky, forget the heat source. Assuming you're using 10 thou for skinning just make a heavy score line along the leading edge and fold it. Courage mon brave. It's a doddle cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 12:03:43 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: scratchbuilt wings Message-ID: <003e01c06ea5$67974540$afa58dd0@main> Hi Bucky, your wing problems are a bummer. My 1/48 Aviatik wings have a plastic solid core (about 1/8") & .010 Evergreen sheet wrapers. The core was about 1/4" from the LE & about 3/8" from the TE to allow for taper & scallops. Both top & bottom were one piece w/ scribed rib detail via an old ball point pen. This same pen was used for the LE scribe this time double width however to help roll the LE shape. This was all done cold. I did notice a few stress lines on the LE, but nothing serious. Care must be taken when folding over the LE, perhaps very slowly so it will not crack. I hope this may help. Best regards & Happy Holidays, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:31:16 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: What a great Xmas present!!- you forgot something Message-ID: Tom, You are forgetting something, you have to feed and clean up after them darned cats. Don't make the mistake I made with SWMBO's Fokker Killer. SWMBO and my son went back to England for a month a few years ago. Being a sensible fellow I thought it was high time the cat and I lost some weight. Well when SWMBO returned she didn't notice our svelte physiques ;) all she could say was what did you do to the cat. Then she over fed it, causing the darned thing to pig out and throw up. Whereupon I was told I couldn't be trusted with anything. ;) which suited me down to the ground btw. To keep this OT. I didn't get any plastic but SWMBO did read my list and I got both Scratchbuilt (which I knew I was getting) and Master Scratchbuilders - which I didn't. Darn theirs enough inspiration in these books to get past any AMS blocks, including two splendid OT bombers, now I wonder who built them RK;) Just to make sure I got something plastic, I finally broke down and swapped a ot model for a Novo(ex Frog) Vickers Vimy, I Picked it up yesterday. The undersides of the wings are very realistic. Just lines for ribs. The top surfaces are another story though.... Nothing sanding won't cure though Ray Merry Christmas and happy stuffing day ;) -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of TomTheAeronut@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: What a great Xmas present!! Back the beginning of the month, SWMBO decided she needed to fly north for the holidays and visit family (no matter how often she says "Family - the gift that keeps on *living*). No cheap fares, and besides, someone had to stay behind and keep track of the thundering feline herds at her homestead and mine (believe me, when you're dealing with these numbers, "herd" is the correct term). So I volunteered. Out of the kindness ot my heart and my concern for felinedom. Just saw her off from Burbank airport, and can now look forward to nine - count 'em! - *nine* days in which it is entirely unlikely the phone will ring for any reason, that I will have to do anything but get up, down the coffee while reading the morning fishwrap, then walk the "commute" from kitchen to modeling room, and MODEL until I have had enough and it's time for a finger of The Glenlivet to mark Progress Achieved. Believe me, there is going to be a *lot* of Progress Achieved, both OT and ot. :-) Solitude: a modeler's vision of the greatest Christmas present!!! And when she gets back we will "double the pleasure, double the fun" the following weekend. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:42:39 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 Message-ID: <013c01c06ec3$fdbeec80$b72f3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Todd, I just got home from Christmas vacation down in Philly. Is it too late to be included in the order for the martensyde S.1? I will send out a check tomorrow if it's not too late. thanks, Dave Calhoun 10 Lake Drive Enfield, CT 06082 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Hayes" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 6:06 PM Subject: Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 > Alvie, > > I'll put you down for one also. That makes 5 so far. > I always try to buy two for myself. So far I have a > total of $75 worth of kits wanted excluding shipping. > For 1 kit, I'll need $18. For the others who want the > Martinsyde, I forgot that I'll have to pay to send > them to you, so please add another $1.50 for shipping. > $19.50 will pay for each kit ordered including all > shipping. And I do not mind doing this, so if you > want one, feel free to tell me. > > Please make checks or m.o.'s out to: Betty Hayes, same > address as below. > > Todd Hayes > 2910 Market St. > Burlington, IA. > 52601 > --- "Michael S. Alvarado" > wrote: > > Todd, > > > > If your making a group order, put me down for one > > also. Let me > > know what you need from me to accomplish this. > > > > Alvie > > > > Todd Hayes wrote: > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > I'm willing to place a group order if you want one > > > too. I'll add to my order if necessary. Lubos > > gives > > > a 10% discount on orders of $200 (excluding > > shipping). > > > > > > Lubos says the Martinsyde is better than the PV7. > > > It'll definitely be bigger! The PV7 has about a > > 4" > > > wingspan in 1:48!! > > > > > > Todd > > > 2910 Market St. > > > Burlington, IA. > > > 52601 > > > --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > > > > > Me Too! I want one! Just tell me where to pony > > up > > > > the bread! > > > > > > > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ernest, > > > > > > > > > > I ordered three of them. I'll sell you one of > > > > those > > > > > when I get them if you want. That price is > > > > excellent! > > > > > 1/3 of the shipping ($3.00) plus 14.70 for the > > > > kit. I > > > > > get a 2% discount from him. So $17.70. I > > won't > > > > > actually send off for them until after > > Christmas. > > > > It > > > > > takes about a one month round trip to me. I > > also > > > > have > > > > > three of the PV7's. > > > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > > --- Ernest Thomas > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd Hayes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lubos e-mailed me today to tell me the > > price > > > > of > > > > > > $20 > > > > > > > for the Martinsyde is incorrect. It's > > $15! > > > > > > > > > > > > Any of you gringo's plan on ordering one of > > > > these? > > > > > > Can I piggy-back one > > > > > > on your order? Please? Pretty please? > > > > > > E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. > > Millions of > > > > Products. > > > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > > Products. > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 Message-ID: <20001225194945.29513.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, Merry Christmas and no problem. I anticipate sending the order a little after New Years. Do you need the address? Todd --- David Calhoun wrote: > Hi Todd, > I just got home from Christmas vacation down in > Philly. Is it too late to > be included in the order for the martensyde S.1? I > will send out a check > tomorrow if it's not too late. > thanks, > Dave Calhoun > 10 Lake Drive > Enfield, CT 06082 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Hayes" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 > > > > Alvie, > > > > I'll put you down for one also. That makes 5 so > far. > > I always try to buy two for myself. So far I have > a > > total of $75 worth of kits wanted excluding > shipping. > > For 1 kit, I'll need $18. For the others who want > the > > Martinsyde, I forgot that I'll have to pay to send > > them to you, so please add another $1.50 for > shipping. > > $19.50 will pay for each kit ordered including > all > > shipping. And I do not mind doing this, so if you > > want one, feel free to tell me. > > > > Please make checks or m.o.'s out to: Betty Hayes, > same > > address as below. > > > > Todd Hayes > > 2910 Market St. > > Burlington, IA. > > 52601 > > --- "Michael S. Alvarado" > > > wrote: > > > Todd, > > > > > > If your making a group order, put me down for > one > > > also. Let me > > > know what you need from me to accomplish this. > > > > > > Alvie > > > > > > Todd Hayes wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > I'm willing to place a group order if you want > one > > > > too. I'll add to my order if necessary. > Lubos > > > gives > > > > a 10% discount on orders of $200 (excluding > > > shipping). > > > > > > > > Lubos says the Martinsyde is better than the > PV7. > > > > It'll definitely be bigger! The PV7 has about > a > > > 4" > > > > wingspan in 1:48!! > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > 2910 Market St. > > > > Burlington, IA. > > > > 52601 > > > > --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Me Too! I want one! Just tell me where to > pony > > > up > > > > > the bread! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ernest, > > > > > > > > > > > > I ordered three of them. I'll sell you > one of > > > > > those > > > > > > when I get them if you want. That price > is > > > > > excellent! > > > > > > 1/3 of the shipping ($3.00) plus 14.70 for > the > > > > > kit. I > > > > > > get a 2% discount from him. So $17.70. I > > > won't > > > > > > actually send off for them until after > > > Christmas. > > > > > It > > > > > > takes about a one month round trip to me. > I > > > also > > > > > have > > > > > > three of the PV7's. > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Ernest Thomas > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd Hayes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lubos e-mailed me today to tell me the > > > price > > > > > of > > > > > > > $20 > > > > > > > > for the Martinsyde is incorrect. It's > > > $15! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any of you gringo's plan on ordering one > of > > > > > these? > > > > > > > Can I piggy-back one > > > > > > > on your order? Please? Pretty please? > > > > > > > E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. > > > Millions of > > > > > Products. > > > > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. > Millions of > > > Products. > > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:51:56 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Season's Greetings Message-ID: My WW1 Widow bought me McCudden's Flying Fury and the Osprey German & Austrian Aviation of WW1 - lots of pictures I haven't seen before. Santa bought me a Pegasus Albstros DI/II and a Maquette Ilya Murometz. At current rate of production I'll start on these in 2083 happy modelling all Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > > Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:35:30 -0800 > From: "Mike Dicianna" > To: > Subject: Re: Season's greetings > Can't wait to hear what everybody got in the WWI vein. > One of my packages under the tree is TO: Redfokker > From: Your WWI Airplane Widow.... > > Can't wait to open that one....Feels like a heavy book... > > > MikeDC > "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:51:58 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Snipe Finished Message-ID: <3A47A55D.7F93FC1C@bellatlantic.net> Jon, Best wishes on a speedy recovery. Merry Christmas. Wow, refinery fires in (South?) Philly - scary. Alvie Who has to visit our lab at what used to be the Philly Navy Yard at least once a season. JVT7532@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/24/2000 2:21:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > > << Snipe Finished >> > Well done Steve, Beautiful job on the Snipe, I like those stars on her, > something different I really must get moving on my Albatros, although I have > injured myself and will be out of work for a week or two however I am flat on > my back most of the time due to the fact that I have a Dorsal spine strain, > dorsal? I didn't know I even had a Dorsal. Slipped on the ice while removing > he Christmas tree from the roof of my Jeep. Just as well we have had two > major Refinery fires in the last two days and I'm not at all unhappy to miss > those. Anyway friends Merry Christmas & Happy holidays to all of you. > Best regards, > Jon > Jon V. Theisen > 7532 Lawndale Ave. > Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:31:32 -0000 From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Revell OT kits (Was Your (my) OT kit of the year) Message-ID: <004901c06ebb$027d9c20$65df41c2@pc1> It's a nice one, indeed. Not the shake and bake type, but you can get a pretty good model oob with only a little extra work, mainly due to some fitting poblems. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 10:38 AM Subject: RE: Revell OT kits (Was Your (my) OT kit of the year) IIRC Ray Rimell was quite nice about the ICM kit, was > he just being nice, is he losing his grip, or am I? > /Neil > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:41:54 -0600 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Holiday Wishes Message-ID: Good Day, and may you all have a wonderful Christmas/New Years holiday. I would like to take a moment to say thanks to all for the mounds of information that has passed through the world wide wires and may you all have a wonderful new year. May you find the time to build all of the models you have on the to do list, find all of the bits of reference materials you have been looking for. Best wishes and happy holidays from the Huggins-Leahey household. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:48:09 -0600 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: a little late but... Message-ID: <3A47C099.8EF9F1C1@x25.net> There is a cartoon called B.C. by a man called Johnny Hart. He often speaks a volume in a small poem. It seems to me that since the "fall" -without even thinking it odd. That man has no trouble at all believing that he can be God. How he would do this I can not conceive, tho he certainly thinks that he can -and yet, he cannot bring himself to believe, that God can become a man. Why we have Christmas. Lee Gaston Graf wrote: > ..I too wanted to wish you all a merry merry chrismas and many lucky > brushstrokes on your models as well as many finished new models in the new > year of 2001. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:31:53 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What a great Xmas present!!- you forgot something Message-ID: In a message dated 12/25/00 2:34:04 PM EST, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << Tom, You are forgetting something, you have to feed and clean up after them darned cats. Don't make the mistake I made with SWMBO's Fokker Killer. SWMBO and my son went back to England for a month a few years ago. Being a sensible fellow I thought it was high time the cat and I lost some weight. Well when SWMBO returned she didn't notice our svelte physiques ;) all she could say was what did you do to the cat. Then she over fed it, causing the darned thing to pig out and throw up. Whereupon I was told I couldn't be trusted with anything. ;) which suited me down to the ground btw. >> Yeah, but The Bakman Bunch are all my good friends anyway, and adding in Francine the Kitty Queen so she could get her medical treatments was no problem. The most recent addition to the Bunch was originally thought to be female, but clearly demonstrated that was a mistake shortly after his arrival. He's now known as Biggles the Flying Ace because (a) he's truly aerobatic when playing "fishing for kitties" and (b) the first night he was here he did jump into a model shelf (fortunately not the OT shelves) and it took a day to repair the damage. He knew he'd done bad though, and punished himself more effectively than I could be hiding behind the stove and refrigerator, necessitating a full-fledged rescue operation that had me completely forgetting the origin of the problem and had him so filthy he got two baths. He's stayed well clear of the models since, like all the other members of The Bunch. Merry Christmas from sunny (completely clear) and warm (75F) Lohz Ahngeleeez! TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:39:30 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Plastic under the tree? Message-ID: <98.e6e1c1d.277926a2@aol.com> Well, I did get some OT plastic, the wife surprsied me with teh ICM Grosser Kurfurst. She wen to teh local hobby shop and asked what I'd been drooling over the last month or two. After 17 years, I think she's pretty much got my number. I also got an Arsenal warm up jersey. My two favorite teams? Arsenal and whom ever is playing Man U ;) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: How Limited Are Limited Edition Kits? Message-ID: <20001225225144.23475.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> I was just looking at my Alliance Models OT kits. They say Ltd. Ed. Resin Kit on them. It always makes me wonder just what is meant by companies like Alliance when they list them as such. Aren't all resin kits Ltd. Eds.? Some of the inj. companies __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:24:49 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Web site Message-ID: <200012251825_MC2-BFD1-ABFD@compuserve.com> Everyone, Tech Support and I have spent the weekend revising the web site to make it load a little easier. The next major change will come the sub-dividing the German page into smaller chunks. It's too big right now. Anyway, the Hansa Brandenberg W-20 have been revised with digital shots. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.nbci.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 12/22/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:32:29 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Subject: Mercedes Madness Message-ID: <200012252336.RAA04863@linux.wpds.net> I hope everyone had a merry Christmas. This question may seem a bit beyond the resources of most, but possibly someone knows of an old motor guru that is able to "solve this riddle". I recently picked up a friend's Mercedes D.IIIa, for rebuilding/overhaul. The motor is completely original with all matching parts, (other than the carb). Upon inspection of the main bearing, I first thought someone had ruined the bearing with some strange idea, but upon inspection of my old original main bearing and the connecting rod bearings, I concluded this "damage" was actually an intended "modification" by Mercedes. The "modification" I refer to is a widening of the bearings on the sides. Before I go into detail, first let me clarify the standard D.IIIa design. The D.IIIa crankcase is split or divided horizontally into a top and bottom half cover, with each cover containing seven "half" bearing shells to support the crankshaft. That way when you put the two halves together with the crankshaft in the middle, you have the basic crankcase assembled. The design of the main bearings is; two bronze half shells with a babbitt lining. The main bearings are feed oil through the center of the bottom bearing shell. The bearing shells or halves have 45% beveled "pockets" along each side of the bearing shell half. Where the two halves come together it forms a large oil pocket. The important thing about these oil pockets is they do not extend the length of the entire bearing. Say, for example, the bearing is two and a half inches long, the side pocket would be two inches long centered on the side of the bearing. This is normal standard practice for bearings of the period. Today, they did away with these "pockets" and they have the inside of the bearings, a perfect circular surface. Now for the strange "modification". For some good reason, our friends at Mercedes decided to add a special "touch" to the bearings. As you recall, we have the side "pockets". They come down the side of the interior bearing half shell surface about 1/8th of an inch, and do not extend the length of the bearing, so as to form a "pocket". Well, after all of this was done a workman would come back, and hand scrape all of the bearing halves wider. By this I mean, on the sides where the "pockets" extend about an 1/8th inch down, the workman would scrape down about 3/8ths of an inch down on the entire bearing sides at about a 70% angle, right over and including the oil "pockets". Normally, this would be the opposite of what you would want to do with a motor, because you are now giving the oil pressure an easy way to escape from the main bearings and the crankshaft. In principle, you would be lowering the oil pressure to the crankshaft, but you may get more volume of oil to pass through the bearings. The connecting rods have this same widening of the bearings. To further explain the oil system, there is an oil pump, with no pressure relief valve. Each main bearing is fed oil by pipes coming from the oil pump. The oil goes into the main bearing and the main crankshaft journal fills up with oil, and there is a passage going from the main crankshaft journal to the connecting rod journal on the crankshaft. So each main feeds a corresponding con-rod. The oil than passes up a tube on the con-rod to the piston wrist pin, and passes out into the crankcase sump and back to the oil pump. I do not know of any good reason for doing this widening of the bearings, but Mercedes did. I know this is way out there, but I would appreciate any input. My only guess was it had to possibly do with oil viscosity during the winter months, or at altitude, and it allowed easier movement of the oil so the pump wouldn't be over stressed. By the way, all but one of the bearings in my friend's motor appear okay, the number two top half bearing shell is scorched, and the babbitt began to blister. This is exactly what I would guess would happen from the widening of the bearings, the top half of the main bearings would get very little pressure. Especially the front bearings since the oil pump supplies the bearings from the back forward, and the number one bearing may get the least pressure. Thanks for any assistance, Dave Watts ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2919 **********************