WWI Digest 2914 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Looks like Japanese by "Michael Kendix" 2) Bishop Book by "Ken Acosta" 3) New images by "Matt Bittner" 4) RE: Looks like Japanese by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 5) Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Fit on the Toko Snipe by "Steven M.Perry" 8) RE: Fit on the Toko Snipe by "Graham Hunter" 9) Re: Caudron G3 - BIG by "Courtney Allen" 10) Re: Caudron G3 - BIG by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 11) Re: Fit on the Toko Snipe by "Steven M.Perry" 12) Re: Caudron G3 - BIG by "Steven M.Perry" 13) Merry Christmas by "Brian Nicklas" 14) RE: Fit on the Toko Snipe by "Graham Hunter" 15) Re: Merry Christmas by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 16) 1/48 Hanriots re-released by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 17) Re: Caudron G3 - BIG by "Robert Fabris" 18) G.3 to G.4 by JVT7532@aol.com 19) Re: Caudron G3 - BIG by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 20) Xmas news update (joke) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 21) Italian Christmas greetings by "Alberto Casirati" 22) Re: Hannover C.LIII night camo underside colour? by "Michael S. Alvarado" 23) Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise by Zulis@aol.com 24) Re: Bishop Book by Zulis@aol.com 25) Re: Bishop Book by "Bob Pearson" 26) Re: WWI digest 2908 by Steve Cox 27) RE: Bishop Book by "Gaston Graf" 28) Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 by Todd Hayes 29) Richthofen colours - The Bust! by "Hans Trauner" 30) Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:09:09 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Looks like Japanese Message-ID: >From: "dfernet0" > >Wow! nice planes and pictures. But, what's this? >http://www.hi-net.zaq.ne.jp/ladybird/29th/52.JPG Diego: Yes, I cannot recall the type but I think it is an pre-WW2/early WW2 Japanese (obviously) thing. I believe I saw it in a book on Japanese Aircraft 1920 to 1941 or something. Looks fantastic but after the current debacle, I'm staying away from triplanes for a bit. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:30:47 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Bishop Book Message-ID: I just received a gift from a friend who knows I have an interest in WWI aviation. The book is a biography of Billy Bishop, entitled "The Courage of the Early Morning" written by his son W. Arthur Bishop. Has anyone here read the book? If so, what are your thoughts? KA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:34:12 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New images Message-ID: <200012221435.GAA18297@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I just uploaded some well done 1/72nd models as done by Volker H„usler ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:21:10 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Looks like Japanese Message-ID: Shpuld be the Mitsubishi Type 10 triplanae torpedo bomber. Build in the early 20s, with at least 20 build. IIRC, the last production triplane. Plus the designer was nobody else than Herb Smith of Sopwith fame (just look at the fin and rudder, and you see the family connection). Volker Original Message: >From: "dfernet0" > >Wow! nice planes and pictures. But, what's this? >http://www.hi-net.zaq.ne.jp/ladybird/29th/52.JPG Diego: Yes, I cannot recall the type but I think it is an pre-WW2/early WW2 Japanese (obviously) thing. I believe I saw it in a book on Japanese Aircraft 1920 to 1941 or something. Looks fantastic but after the current debacle, I'm staying away from triplanes for a bit. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:48:22 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 Message-ID: <003401c06c2f$2f791120$01e179a5@com> Me Too! I want one! Just tell me where to pony up the bread! DB > Ernest, > > I ordered three of them. I'll sell you one of those > when I get them if you want. That price is excellent! > 1/3 of the shipping ($3.00) plus 14.70 for the kit. I > get a 2% discount from him. So $17.70. I won't > actually send off for them until after Christmas. It > takes about a one month round trip to me. I also have > three of the PV7's. > > Todd > > --- Ernest Thomas wrote: > > > > > > Todd Hayes wrote: > > > > > Lubos e-mailed me today to tell me the price of > > $20 > > > for the Martinsyde is incorrect. It's $15! > > > > Any of you gringo's plan on ordering one of these? > > Can I piggy-back one > > on your order? Please? Pretty please? > > E. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:51:19 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise Message-ID: <003501c06c2f$30534480$01e179a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Lorna Jenkins" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 12:20 AM Subject: Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise > Ernest Thomas wrote: > > > > "David C. Fletcher" wrote: > > > > > It's that time of year again, troops: > > > > > > Merry Christmas > > > Joyeux Noël > > > Fröhe Weihnachten > > > Buon Natale > > > Vesele Vanoce > > > Priecigus Ziemassvetkus! > > > Feliz Natal > > > "Oh May Day Toe O' Gozaieemas" > > > Maligayang Pasko > > > God Jul > > > Feliz Navidad > > > Boas Festas > > > Prettige Kerstdagen > > > Felices Pascuasy > > > Hyrää Joulua > > > > Merry Newtonmas > > Happy Hogswatch & may the Hogfather be kind to you ;-) Merry Crimble YumYum Barf (from the land of Bulemia) DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:03:47 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Fit on the Toko Snipe Message-ID: <000d01c06c30$c5e01180$57f1aec7@default> I just finished assembling a Toko Snipe painted and marked as Stepanovich's "Nelly". Since Toko has been noted for some fit problems, I thought I'd summarize what I found. There were only two "problem" areas and they were readily fixed. The first is the lower fuselage from the wing back. When adding the lower wing, (one piece including the center section), the rest of the fuselage botton from the TE back is too low, leaving a large step from the center section panel to the fuselage bottom. Happily the fix is easy, just slap a piece of 10 thou card on the fuselage bottom and it all evens out. Be careful not to spooge too much glue out along the edges. It actually takes less time than sanding out the lower seam. The other "problem" area, and you gotta be anal to call this a problem, is the lower end of the four cabaine struts. The struts have a pin molded in each end. On the fuselage there are notches for the struts, but you must do one of two things. Either cut off the lower pin, (best if you mount the top wing on the mainplane struts first and pop in the cabaines), or drill a receiving hole in the notch on the fuselage, (best if you mount the top wing on the cabaines first and pop in the mainplanes). Considering price and availability, this is a first rate kit. I'm looking forward to doing another as Barker's for my own collection. Now to rig this twin bay sucker.... sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:30:48 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Fit on the Toko Snipe Message-ID: <000001c06c34$8b449240$fa0101c0@grahamh> Hey Steven, How is your foot? I hope it is better. Are you still at home on model building leave ;-) Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:39:04 -0800 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: Caudron G3 - BIG Message-ID: <006701c06c35$b2e20fc0$3cc1480c@worldnet.att.net> I lost the original e-mail. Who has the G3 for sale and is it still available? Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaughan-Jackson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 5:21 AM Subject: Re: Caudron G3 - BIG > >Any interest out there for a Metropolitan G3 kit? It's big - in 1/24 scale. > >The engine supplied is the Gnome variant. Rudders and elevators operate. > >Selling this bird at $200. plus postage, includes original shipping foam box > >but not the paper cover, plus Rimmel and Batter reviews. Please contact me > >off-line. > > This is a monster kit. Just as well the paper covering isn't including > because it's 'orrible. > The rest of it (the screws that hold it all together notwithstanding) can > be made to look rather lovely. > Beware of the weird metal (but not white metal) struts. Mine were all > warped and snapped as soon as you breathed on them. Be prepared to carve > your own out of bamboo or (as I did) model ship ways ship spars. > > Certainly a nice addition to those who like their models on the big side. > MVJ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:36:40 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Caudron G3 - BIG Message-ID: Courtney asked: "I lost the original e-mail. Who has the G3 for sale and is it still available?" That would have been Robert Fabris (porthole@worldnet.att.net) IIRC MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:58:57 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Fit on the Toko Snipe Message-ID: <001d01c06c38$7a0525e0$57f1aec7@default> > Hey Steven, How is your foot? I hope it is better. Much better, thanks Graham. Are you still at home on model building leave ;-) Still chained to the modeling bench till after New Years. ;-( > Graham H. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:00:15 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Caudron G3 - BIG Message-ID: <002a01c06c38$a836b5a0$57f1aec7@default> > I lost the original e-mail. Who has the G3 for sale and is it still > available? "Robert Fabris" hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:15:27 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Merry Christmas Message-ID: I'm un-subbing for a few days so this chatty bunch of styrene junkies doesn't blow out my email buffers. Everyone of you have a Very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year. (Or other appropriate festive greeting for your locale/belief) Brian (St.) Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:21:40 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Fit on the Toko Snipe Message-ID: <000101c06c3b$a643b7e0$fa0101c0@grahamh> I hope you are able to replace those BvB induced shelf vacancies :-) GH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:03:41 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Message-ID: I second the motion Merry merry to all my friends on the list (and yes I do consider you so, cowl colour debates and political chinwagging aside) may your glasses be full and your model stash bulge. I'll be unsubbing also in an hour or two. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:18:51 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: 1/48 Hanriots re-released Message-ID: Today I saw 'new' Eduard Hanriot H.d.1/H.d.2 Profipack. Eduard had announced that its molds would be refined but I cannot see any improvements. The kit is very much the same, but the sprue has been now injected in sand/beige plastic and looks a bit "cleaner". Original color options have been preserved. Tomasz ------------------------------------------------------------------- PS. Nie zapomnij wyslac kartek na Swieta! http://kartki.interia.pl/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:34:20 -0800 From: "Robert Fabris" To: Subject: Re: Caudron G3 - BIG Message-ID: <001301c06c3d$6c76be20$0a39480c@garage> > > This is a monster kit. Just as well the paper covering isn't including > because it's 'orrible. > > Certainly a nice addition to those who like their models on the big side. > MVJ Mark misinterprets my note - it is the outer box covering that is missing, not the cheesecloth to be used for linen. Well, I exaggerate a bit, but to make a point. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:37:29 EST From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: G.3 to G.4 Message-ID: Does anyone on the list have a Phoenix or Blue Rider G.4 they would be willing to part with or know where I can find one? I'd really like to find the Blue Rider one that Matt mentioned as it already has the White metal parts and decals. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:17:27 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Caudron G3 - BIG Message-ID: >> >> This is a monster kit. Just as well the paper covering isn't including >> because it's 'orrible. >> >> Certainly a nice addition to those who like their models on the big side. >> MVJ > >Mark misinterprets my note - it is the outer box covering that is missing, >not the cheesecloth to be used for linen. Well, I exaggerate a bit, but to >make a point. Ooops. Mea Culpa. Apologies Robert. Misinterpreation and cheescloth notwithstanding this is a lovely big kit. Can't wait to eventually finish mine. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:33:50 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Xmas news update (joke) Message-ID: Finally, a way to look at recent events and grin. TC Breaking News - Santa Claus Subpoenaed It is rumored Al Gore has subpoenaed Santa Claus over some "irregularities" found on Christmas list handling procedures. After the Florida Supreme Court ordered a 3rd election recount, Gore allegedly said "making a list, and checking it twice" cannot possibly discern the true wishes of the children. And the part about "who has been naughty, and who has been nice" is clearly a value judgment that does not take into account the circumstance surrounding said malfeasance. Santa's list was obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and immediately a DNC boiler room call center was alerted to call all children to see if items listed on Santa's list were, in fact, true desired intent of the kids. Several indicated they had intended to ask for Sony Playstations, and instead had checked off Nintendo 64. Many of the children were emotionally distraught and felt the entire Christmas letter writing experience was outdated and "hard to understand". In reviewing the postmarks on Christmas letters, it was found by Democratic canvassing officials that certain letters, particularly those requesting "G.I. Joe" dolls were not properly postmarked. Those letters (obviously from Republican children) were thrown out. Democratic officials have asked that all Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade County children be contacted in person and have their requests reviewed for accuracy. Santa Claus indicated there was not possibly enough time to get to each child by Dec. 25. The Florida Supreme Court is now considering postponement of Christmas until Dec. 30th, to allow for a "full and accurate" list to be compiled. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:18:03 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Italian Christmas greetings Message-ID: <001b01c06c4c$097bda80$ef0e623e@s> Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovo to all of you !!!!! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:27:17 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hannover C.LIII night camo underside colour? Message-ID: <3A43AB15.38365229@bellatlantic.net> Michael, The Hannover Cl series built by Hannover Waggonfabrik were usually covered (wings and tail) with four or five color lozenge topside pattern on top and undersurface pattern on the bottom surfaces. The ply covered areas were hand painted in a large irregular lozenge pattern overall with the vertical tail surfaces and aft fuselage covered in undersurface pattern. The painted lozenge on the fuselage was often over sprayed with dark blue obscuring the lozenge pattern. They were not normally covered in the night pattern lozenge fabric reserved for the G and R bombers. This is not authoritative just base on my research done when I built my Edward 1/48 scale Hannover which I covered in four color but now believe should have been five color lozenge. HTH Alvie Michael Kendix wrote: > Does anyone know what the colours for the underside of the Hannover C.LIII > are for nightime camo? I know this is routine information for some but I > have no Datafile on that plane. > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:20:16 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise Message-ID: <95.49f21a3.27751180@aol.com> In a message dated 12/22/2000 6:03:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes: Neil asks: << I managed these, can someone help with the rest/Neil < snip > Priecigus Ziemassvetkus! >> Finally! Somebody asks a question on this list that l can actually answer. :-) Priecigus Ziemassvetkus is Happy Christmas in latvian. I get such a kick out of seeing this every year when Dave posts these.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:29:00 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bishop Book Message-ID: <3f.e5d02ee.2775138c@aol.com> In a message dated 12/22/2000 9:33:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, KACOSTA@colsa.com writes: << I just received a gift from a friend who knows I have an interest in WWI aviation. The book is a biography of Billy Bishop, entitled "The Courage of the Early Morning" written by his son W. Arthur Bishop. Has anyone here read the book? If so, what are your thoughts? KA >> l read this quite some time ago. My experience was tainted by all the Bishop controversey going on - and this is definitely a book written by a son. l suppose it was ok, but our standards on wwi books have risen so much over the past couple of decades that this seemed almost like one of those 60s novels for young boys. My opinion, anyway. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:45:57 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bishop Book Message-ID: <200012222158.NAA20695@mail.rapidnet.net> Until a new and totally unbiased bio of Bishop akin to the recent Barker bio is written, this is the best one of the lot. The worst? Billy Bishop, Canadian Hero by Dan McCaffrey. .. the less said about this one the better Bob ---------- >From: "Ken Acosta" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Bishop Book >Date: Fri, Dec 22, 2000, 6:36 am > > I just received a gift from a friend who knows I have an interest in WWI > aviation. The book is a biography of Billy Bishop, entitled "The Courage > of the Early Morning" written by his son W. Arthur Bishop. Has anyone here > read the book? If so, what are your thoughts? > KA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:48:08 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 2908 Message-ID: I started out with Airfix/Revell. I can remember kneeling at the living room windowsill with my Mum, trying to get the RE8 struts in place. I still have the model. For years I didn't know anything else existed, so I made lots of variants of Camels, and cut up others to make something not in the Airfix/Revell ranges Regards Steve nb Wire Wheels for the Bleriot XI nl Corrs concert =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:09:35 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: WWI digest 2908 > > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:02:49 +0000 > From: David Fleming > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Revell OT kits (Was Your (my) OT kit of the year) > Message-ID: <3A413A98.3EA16290@dial.pipex.com> > > > > Matt Bittner wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:53:23 -0500 (EST), David Fleming wrote: >> > >>> How many of us got started on these or the Airfix ones ? >> >> FWIW my first WW1 plastic kit was the Airfix D.Va. >> >> > > Mine was the Airfix Pup. Second was a vacform......... > > Dave > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:36:58 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Bishop Book Message-ID: Linked to my website is the website of Al Lowe :http://www.billybishop.net/ Very intersting source of information about Billy Bishop IMHO. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Bob Pearson > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 9:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Bishop Book > > > Until a new and totally unbiased bio of Bishop akin to the recent > Barker bio > is written, this is the best one of the lot. The worst? Billy Bishop, > Canadian Hero by Dan McCaffrey. .. the less said about this one the better > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: "Ken Acosta" > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Bishop Book > >Date: Fri, Dec 22, 2000, 6:36 am > > > > > I just received a gift from a friend who knows I have an interest in WWI > > aviation. The book is a biography of Billy Bishop, entitled > "The Courage > > of the Early Morning" written by his son W. Arthur Bishop. Has > anyone here > > read the book? If so, what are your thoughts? > > KA > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:16:22 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 Message-ID: <20001222221622.56696.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, I'm willing to place a group order if you want one too. I'll add to my order if necessary. Lubos gives a 10% discount on orders of $200 (excluding shipping). Lubos says the Martinsyde is better than the PV7. It'll definitely be bigger! The PV7 has about a 4" wingspan in 1:48!! Todd 2910 Market St. Burlington, IA. 52601 --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > Me Too! I want one! Just tell me where to pony up > the bread! > > > DB > > > > Ernest, > > > > I ordered three of them. I'll sell you one of > those > > when I get them if you want. That price is > excellent! > > 1/3 of the shipping ($3.00) plus 14.70 for the > kit. I > > get a 2% discount from him. So $17.70. I won't > > actually send off for them until after Christmas. > It > > takes about a one month round trip to me. I also > have > > three of the PV7's. > > > > Todd > > > > --- Ernest Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > Todd Hayes wrote: > > > > > > > Lubos e-mailed me today to tell me the price > of > > > $20 > > > > for the Martinsyde is incorrect. It's $15! > > > > > > Any of you gringo's plan on ordering one of > these? > > > Can I piggy-back one > > > on your order? Please? Pretty please? > > > E. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:38:36 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: "Mailing List WWI" Subject: Richthofen colours - The Bust! Message-ID: <002d01c06c67$ecb09280$18a072d4@custom-pc> Hey, You Experts! This is a WW I Modelling Theme, but not a pure aircraft theme. I have painted model figures now for years and have returned to aircraft business now. As you know, DML/Dragon have included busts of MvR, Udet, Rickenbacker and Goerth in their kits. Wonderful for me, I can do figures and aircraft! My problem is that I am quite uncertain about detail colours of Richthofen's uniform ( and Udet's). Let's start with MvR: The bust is based on one of the well known propaganda shots ( f.e. in Von Richthofen And The Flying Circus, Page 8). Question 1: colour of piping and collar of his ulanka. According to his ' Der Rote Kampfflieger' he started his military career in Ulanenregiment Nr. 1 "Kaiser Alexander III". If I follow Stephen Bull's World War One Army Brassey's) the piping of this unit was white. Hmmm.. none of any photos known to me shows MvR with white pipings. Red (what else) ??? Question 2: Colour of the band of the peaked cap. Ulans had yellow bands. As I don't believe that every WWI photo was taken with ortho material the photos does not show this light colour ( compare it with Lothar's cap - this IS yellow!). So, what else? Usually it is shown in red , also. Why? Red was the colour of the infantry. Or does he wear a real Fliegertruppe cap with black band/ red piping? I think so, but I am not sure. Any comments? Question 3: Udet! The bust is based on a photo which could be found in his 'Fliegerleben', page105. He is wearing an overall with fur collar. Any suggestions for the colour of this overall? The bust has a standard peaked cap ( not shown in the pic mentioned!). Band colour of this cap? Standard Fliegertruppe, I presume. Any help is welcome! Thanks. Hals- und Beinbruch Hans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:42:23 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 Message-ID: <001301c06c68$927c6b80$c9e279a5@com> Hi Todd, I am definitely in! Let me know exactly how much, and where to send the check! And thanks for letting me piggyback! DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Hayes" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: Re: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 > Hi Dave, > > I'm willing to place a group order if you want one > too. I'll add to my order if necessary. Lubos gives > a 10% discount on orders of $200 (excluding shipping). > > Lubos says the Martinsyde is better than the PV7. > It'll definitely be bigger! The PV7 has about a 4" > wingspan in 1:48!! > > Todd > 2910 Market St. > Burlington, IA. > 52601 > --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > Me Too! I want one! Just tell me where to pony up > > the bread! > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > Ernest, > > > > > > I ordered three of them. I'll sell you one of > > those > > > when I get them if you want. That price is > > excellent! > > > 1/3 of the shipping ($3.00) plus 14.70 for the > > kit. I > > > get a 2% discount from him. So $17.70. I won't > > > actually send off for them until after Christmas. > > It > > > takes about a one month round trip to me. I also > > have > > > three of the PV7's. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > --- Ernest Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd Hayes wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lubos e-mailed me today to tell me the price > > of > > > > $20 > > > > > for the Martinsyde is incorrect. It's $15! > > > > > > > > Any of you gringo's plan on ordering one of > > these? > > > > Can I piggy-back one > > > > on your order? Please? Pretty please? > > > > E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > > Products. > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2914 **********************