WWI Digest 2910 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Secret Handshake? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 2) Roseplane Caudron G-3? by Jan Vihonen 3) Re: Roseplane Caudron G-3? by "Michael Kendix" 4) Re: Secret Handshake? by Lee Mensinger 5) RE: Secret Handshake? by Crawford Neil 6) Modelkrak Russian armored cars by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: New 1/72nd kit by Witold Kozakiewicz 8) RE: New photos by Crawford Neil 9) Re:CA-3 kits by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 10) Re:CA-3 kits by "Matt Bittner" 11) RE: Holiday greetings from Paradise by Crawford Neil 12) Re: Secret Handshake? by "Lance Krieg" 13) Definitive colours - was: New Chandelle by "Sandy Adam" 14) RE: Definitive colours - was: New Chandelle by Crawford Neil 15) Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 16) RE: Secret Handshake? by Brent Theobald 17) Re: Secret Handshake by "Mark Shannon" 18) RE: Holiday greetings from Paradise by "dfernet0" 19) Re: Secret Handshake by "DAVID BURKE" 20) new Italian stuff by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 21) Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Theorems / was: Secret Handshake by "Michael Kendix" 23) Uploads by "Matt Bittner" 24) Re: DR.1 paint colors + more by Myles Miller 25) Best Wishes by Myles Miller 26) Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 27) Why Charlie's Angels are OT (Was: Holiday Greetings...) by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 28) Re: Roseplane Caudron G-3? by Jan Vihonen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 06:40:40 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <003201c06b42$d923f5c0$1a37183f@cyrixp166> Traffic is somewhat down on the list. It may be the time of year. I would suggest searching the Archive, then checking out the Model Gallery. There are some nice Dr.1 & I am sure that the folks who built them have some opinions. Don't be afraid to re-post a question if it doesn't get answered the first time. I don't know much about Dr.1 camo. My "opinion" is gray /green streaks over turquois for F.1s & green / brown streaks over CDL for Dr.1s. Olive cowls of course. ;-p Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 10:47 PM Subject: Secret Handshake? > > I've been subscribed to the list for a few months now and have asked some > questions in the past and gotten some nice replies. It's a great source of > information. > > Lately though, my few questions seem to have fallen on deaf ears. I've had to > repost several times and then might only get a single reply. Two days ago I > asked about DR.1 camo colors and didn't get a single response. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:09:32 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Roseplane Caudron G-3? Message-ID: <3A41F2FC.78BE3BCB@helsinki.fi> Is it just me, or is this kit really not listed on the Rosemont Hobbies Web page? I don't seem to be able to find it. Has anybody see it? How is it? Jan Michael Kendix wrote: > > >From: Brent Theobald > Brent writes: > > > >What resin or vac kits were ya'll glad to see this year? > > I'm always glad to see a vacuform kit and Roseplanes upgrade of the 1/72nd > scale Caudron G-3 is the best I've come across this year. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:48:40 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roseplane Caudron G-3? Message-ID: >From: Jan Vihonen > >Is it just me, or is this kit really not listed on the Rosemont >Hobbies >Web page? I don't seem to be able to find it. Has anybody see >it? How is >it? Jan: It's a upgrade of an older Roseplane vac that was released a few years ago - I don't know how long ago. It's pretty nice from what I can tell but I haven't laid it against a set of drawings or anything yet. It contains a bunch of new resin, including the cockpit/nacelle. Barry doesn't have it up on his site yet - probably he is busy at this time of year and he's only just started the making the upgrades. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:09:59 -0600 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, NodalPoint@aol.com Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <3A420F37.FA799EFD@x25.net> I suspect the answer to your questions are on hold. At this time of year the list people have the holiday in mind and many are not doing much on line. My e-mail from the list has dropped by about 60 to 80% in the past few days. I would answer your question I knew the answer. I will suggest that you delay a bit and ask again after the New Year starts. Do not dispair. There is a light in the future. You may also wish to look in the Archives for some answers. I am sorry, but, I did not pay close attention to the questions, and I do not remember them, since I knew I didn't have any answer. There may be information in the List Archive already. Oh yes. There is no Secret Handshake. The Dr 1 wizards just may be to busy, with other things, at the moment. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > I've been subscribed to the list for a few months now and have asked some > questions in the past and gotten some nice replies. It's a great source of > information. > > Lately though, my few questions seem to have fallen on deaf ears. I've had to > repost several times and then might only get a single reply. Two days ago I > asked about DR.1 camo colors and didn't get a single response. > > Are my questions really bad or something? Or are they considered off topic? > I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert. That's why I subscribe to the list > anyway. But It seems questions of a similar nature get lots of answers. > > Things which may seem obvious to the people who spend a lot more time at the > hobby than I do are new and exciting to me. > > The list seems to be mostly personal so I'm wondering if I've stumbled across > something that's by invite only or an organized club. Seeing the names of the > people who post frequently, it seems like there are maybe 15-20 active people > and a few others who fade in and out. > > I'm not trying to be too critical and don't want to ruffle any feathers (I > certainly don't want to get any hate mail because I'm not trying to hurt any > feelings), but I don't want to be taking up your space by constantly > repeating questions that go unnoticed or don't belong here. > > S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:54:29 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: Yes I've noticed this myself, its quite frustrating, but there is no secret handshake involved, it's just the way life is. If you go to an IPMS-meeting it's the same if you are new, everyone is polite but not many people talk to you. You have to work at it , and if you do, you will soon find yourself on the organizing commitee! It's just that everyone on the list should really be doing something else, like modelling or working, so you only answer a few messages, and if one of them is from someone you know, that gets priority. I've noticed that I'm getting reactions to things now, that I never got when I started. It just takes time , the more you write, the more answers you get. /Neil ----Original Message----- From: NodalPoint@aol.com [mailto:NodalPoint@aol.com] Sent: den 21 december 2000 04:47 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Secret Handshake? I've been subscribed to the list for a few months now and have asked some questions in the past and gotten some nice replies. It's a great source of information. Lately though, my few questions seem to have fallen on deaf ears. I've had to repost several times and then might only get a single reply. Two days ago I asked about DR.1 camo colors and didn't get a single response. Are my questions really bad or something? Or are they considered off topic? I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert. That's why I subscribe to the list anyway. But It seems questions of a similar nature get lots of answers. Things which may seem obvious to the people who spend a lot more time at the hobby than I do are new and exciting to me. The list seems to be mostly personal so I'm wondering if I've stumbled across something that's by invite only or an organized club. Seeing the names of the people who post frequently, it seems like there are maybe 15-20 active people and a few others who fade in and out. I'm not trying to be too critical and don't want to ruffle any feathers (I certainly don't want to get any hate mail because I'm not trying to hurt any feelings), but I don't want to be taking up your space by constantly repeating questions that go unnoticed or don't belong here. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:24:35 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Modelkrak Russian armored cars Message-ID: <200012211423.GAA23159@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I may have said this before, but if so I would like to reiterate. Having just finished on of the Modelkrak Russian WW1 armored cars, I can not recommend these enough to people who like to build on topic ground vehicles. There is some work involved, but far less than most injected kits I have built. Plus, they look great when finished, and something that will generate some discussion. I'll probably soon start the other Austin, having finished the "First Series". Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:36:55 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New 1/72nd kit Message-ID: <3A421587.58977BDF@bg.am.lodz.pl> Matt Bittner napisał(a): > http://www.russianscalemodels.com/mgd.asp > > Then click on M-Avia, then models (or something like that) then MBR and > look at the box top posted. I was told about the C.I in their direct > email. > > Matt Bittner Thanks, very nice site. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:06:21 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New photos Message-ID: Hi Jim, I finally had time to look at your latest photos, they look great, that Salmson will be a world-beater. Happy Christmas and New Year. Best regards Neil -----Original Message----- From: MPeggLandon@cs.com [mailto:MPeggLandon@cs.com] Sent: den 13 december 2000 03:40 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New photos Hi all, Allan has posted 6 new photos of the construction process of my 1:16 scale scratch built Salmson 2A2 at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Landon/Salmson/index.html The six nearest the top of the page are the new ones. The pictures came out dark and off-color, not sure what happened. A lot more Salmson info can be found at my new web site: http://communities.msn.com/Salmson2A2 Something's been wrong with Hotmail in recent days, so I'm writing from my wife's CompuServe email account. I never did manage to get re-subscribed to the wwi list, so please reply to me at MPeggLandon@cs.com Jim Landon W.W.I List semi-member ;-) TheGreatLandoni@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:16:28 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:CA-3 kits Message-ID: Thanks ,Todd, for the info. Are there any injected or vac kits of the CA-3? I thought someone mentioned they were working on one a while back...TIA for any help..... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:28:54 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re:CA-3 kits Message-ID: <200012211528.HAA21004@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:22:25 -0500 (EST), John_Impenna@hyperion.com wrote: > Are there any injected or vac kits of the CA-3? I thought someone > mentioned they were working on one a while back...TIA > for any help..... Just the difficult to find, expensive 1/72nd Meikraft one. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:30:17 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Holiday greetings from Paradise Message-ID: Sorry Tom, I don't much like horror films, I prefer sex-films! To get this back on to aviation, my favorite there was "The final countdown" ,the one with the F14 vs Zero dogfight. It's not as well known as "Top gun" but I think it paved the way for that. And to get it back OT, I have to admit missing nearly all of them, I did see one years and years ago. My memory tells me it was about a Fokker DrI replica but I think MvR, Lanoe Hawker and Roy Brown were involved somewhere. It wasn't very good except for some nice in-flight views of the Fokker, Does anyone recognize it, I don't think it's one of the famous ones? /Neil -----Original Message----- From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com [mailto:TomTheAeronut@aol.com] Sent: den 20 december 2000 19:44 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise In a message dated 12/20/00 10:34:51 AM EST, Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes: << have you been involved in any of the more famous films, in other words, ones I might have seen? I'm new on the list so I don't know. /Neil >> The "better known" movies I was involved with I am contractually barred from mentioning, since my rewrites of the original writer didn't receive credit in the Writer's Guild's arbitrations for screen credit. Suffice it to say the producers and directors and actors who got to make the movie based on a script that made sense knew who did what, and the credit I did receive was the kind bank managers like. If you like little horror movies, I did one for Roger Corman that made more money for him than everything else he released that decade, which also is notable for the fact that everything on the page is on the screen, including the fact that the director caught my "shots" in the descriptions (no good writer ever tries to tell a director directly what to do there, but if your descriptions are good, sometimes they communicate), and the actors found the emotional hooks I put in the scenes for them to hang their performances on. The only drawback to the movie is that Roger took the director aside and told him he'd paid a lot of money for the monster and "I want to see it," so the monster is shown full-body much too soon. The movie is "The Terror Within." I don't think you'll find it in Blockbuster, but if you have the equivalent of our "Eddie Brand's Saturday Matinee" full of obscure videos, it might show up. I have no connection to "Terror Within II" other than it says "based on characters created by T.M. Cleaver" and I wish it didn't have that. :-) Cheers, TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:32:45 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: Many reasons have been posted for why a particular question goes unanswered, and I have thought some about the phenomenon. It seems to me that questions that might be too "easy" or too "hard" are the ones that get ignored. Too "easy" is a shorthand way of referring to questions that have appeared and been answered many times. Of course, a list newcomer doesn't know this, and his or her enthusiasm may be chilled by the reaction. If you think silence is bad, try asking about Werner Voss' cowling! It has been suggested that searching the archives, or looking at the model galleries, is a good way to get started on a particular subject. There are a number of Dr.Is in the galleries, from which the general color can be gauged. An on- or off-list post to a particular builder will almost always get a response. Personally, I skip some posts that I can answer off the top of my head because I assume someone else will pick it up, and I don't want to appear to be too much of a "know-it-all". I guess that's the price one pays for a 40 year interest in the subject... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:41:55 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Definitive colours - was: New Chandelle Message-ID: <007601c06b64$8e3df2a0$29e8b094@sandyada> >Chandelle Volume 5, Number 3 is now posted. I'd suggest a peek at this for everybody on the list - the "Aircraft Colours" section has three pics of the same F-104 in differing lighting conditions, which beautifully illustrate why there is never a definitive answer as to what colour is correct - even when we have an original paint chip! (Well done rojo, great issue as always.) I posted on this two or three years ago, regarding my choice of light reddish brown for a sunlit Dolphin as on the DF cover - and was lampooned by a bunch of erstwhile listees (who have all now thankfully departed) - anyway the F-104 pictures convince in three frames what all my words couldn't. As Peter says, "both PC10 and "Fokker Green" can be based on any pre-1943 version of US olive drab" - quite right, by the time you allow for varitaions of mix, wear, sunlight fading, and lighting conditions - you can paint the damn thing just about any shade you want. Sandy Who has no two PC10s or Silbergraus the same shade, on about 20 Sopwith and Pfalz subjects. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:49:27 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Definitive colours - was: New Chandelle Message-ID: I once asked my Grandfather who was a RFC mechanic about, this, he couldn't remember at all, "they were green or brown or something" was his reply. You're dead right Sandy, anything khaki will do fine. /Neil -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam [mailto:cbbs@almac.co.uk] Sent: den 21 december 2000 16:46 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Definitive colours - was: New Chandelle >Chandelle Volume 5, Number 3 is now posted. I'd suggest a peek at this for everybody on the list - the "Aircraft Colours" section has three pics of the same F-104 in differing lighting conditions, which beautifully illustrate why there is never a definitive answer as to what colour is correct - even when we have an original paint chip! (Well done rojo, great issue as always.) I posted on this two or three years ago, regarding my choice of light reddish brown for a sunlit Dolphin as on the DF cover - and was lampooned by a bunch of erstwhile listees (who have all now thankfully departed) - anyway the F-104 pictures convince in three frames what all my words couldn't. As Peter says, "both PC10 and "Fokker Green" can be based on any pre-1943 version of US olive drab" - quite right, by the time you allow for varitaions of mix, wear, sunlight fading, and lighting conditions - you can paint the damn thing just about any shade you want. Sandy Who has no two PC10s or Silbergraus the same shade, on about 20 Sopwith and Pfalz subjects. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:05:25 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise Message-ID: <4c.e6ef89a.27738445@aol.com> That was "Richthofen and Brown". Also released (escaped more like) on video as "Battle of the Aces". In this epic 24 sqn, commanded by Hawker and including every other British ace you ever heared of plus Brown and May, does battle with "The Richthofen Circus", which is commanded in the first instance by Boelke and includes in its complement not only both Richtofens but Voss, Goering, Imelmann et al.It gets my vote as all time OT aviation turkey. Had they not made the claim "based on a true story" so beloved of TV movies it would have been a so-so flying flick. But as it was it was not only bad but offensive to WWI anoraks everywhere. It beats "Gunbus" in to second place because at least the latter never claimed to be anything other than hokum and had the benefit of some very nice Salmson replicas. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:49:33 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <0C9947CED778D411B8BD0008C7FAA642A5207F@emerald.telecom.sna.samsung.com> Howdy! I wouldn't worry about it. I saw this post and didn't have the time to respond. I was secure in the knowledge that someone else would field the question. Apparently everyone else had the same response. You should have a few good answers by now. Don't take it personal. Later! BRent -----Original Message----- From: NodalPoint@aol.com [mailto:NodalPoint@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Secret Handshake? I've been subscribed to the list for a few months now and have asked some questions in the past and gotten some nice replies. It's a great source of information. Lately though, my few questions seem to have fallen on deaf ears. I've had to repost several times and then might only get a single reply. Two days ago I asked about DR.1 camo colors and didn't get a single response. Are my questions really bad or something? Or are they considered off topic? I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert. That's why I subscribe to the list anyway. But It seems questions of a similar nature get lots of answers. Things which may seem obvious to the people who spend a lot more time at the hobby than I do are new and exciting to me. The list seems to be mostly personal so I'm wondering if I've stumbled across something that's by invite only or an organized club. Seeing the names of the people who post frequently, it seems like there are maybe 15-20 active people and a few others who fade in and out. I'm not trying to be too critical and don't want to ruffle any feathers (I certainly don't want to get any hate mail because I'm not trying to hurt any feelings), but I don't want to be taking up your space by constantly repeating questions that go unnoticed or don't belong here. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:20:53 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Secret Handshake Message-ID: I spent no little time at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where there was a specific lexicon for the gnurd (as it was spelled in those days). Among the definitions was: Trivial (adj.) 1. Too simple to require explanation, as in, "The proof of the theorem is trivial and is left for the reader as an exercise. -- Fermat" 2. So complex as to totally defy all attempt at explanation or have no explanation, as in, "The proof of the theorem is trivial and is left for the reader as an exercise. -- Fermat" Lance's explanation was so nostalgic.... .Mark. Lance Krieg wrote: >It seems to me that questions that might be too "easy" or too "hard" are >the ones that get ignored. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:24:08 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Holiday greetings from Paradise Message-ID: <02e101c06b72$d3c1a160$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> The interesting trivia about this movie is that Richard Bach did some of the aerial stunts. A nice series of small articles are in the book "A Gift of Wings" or something like that. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise > That was "Richthofen and Brown". Also released (escaped more like) on video > as "Battle of the Aces". In this epic 24 sqn, commanded by Hawker and > including every other British ace you ever heared of plus Brown and May, does > battle with "The Richthofen Circus", which is commanded in the first instance > by Boelke and includes in its complement not only both Richtofens but Voss, > Goering, Imelmann et al.It gets my vote as all time OT aviation turkey. Had > they not made the claim "based on a true story" so beloved of TV movies it > would have been a so-so flying flick. But as it was it was not only bad but > offensive to WWI anoraks everywhere. It beats "Gunbus" in to second place > because at least the latter never claimed to be anything other than hokum and > had the benefit of some very nice Salmson replicas. > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:31:05 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Secret Handshake Message-ID: <000901c06b73$ce3ba3c0$c186aec7@com> I wonder if Fermat knew what color Voss' cowl would be.... DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:34:51 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: new Italian stuff Message-ID: <85.49818be.2773993b@aol.com> Someone on a certain forum in "another place" posted this link http://web.tiscalinet.it/infonetservice/primaguerra.htm It's all in Italian but VERY OT cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:42:55 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise Message-ID: <77.ddebc31.27739b1f@aol.com> In a message dated 12/21/00 8:07:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, LEONARDPeterL@aol.com writes: << "Richthofen and Brown". Also released (escaped more like) on video as "Battle of the Aces". ..........It gets my vote as all time OT aviation turkey. Had they not made the claim "based on a true story" so beloved of TV movies it would have been a so-so flying flick. ..............>> I taped this monster off TV 12/15 years ago and condensed the flying scenes down to about 10 minutes- not bad....but ooooooooo, the rest of the movie. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:47:29 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Theorems / was: Secret Handshake Message-ID: >From: "DAVID BURKE" >I wonder if Fermat knew what color Voss' cowl would be.... > Abolutely, he did. The proof is trivial, following from Eueler's Rule and Goering's Lemmon. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:09:45 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Uploads Message-ID: <200012211809.KAA26546@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Just wanted to let people know that uploads to the site will be slow. Al is either on vacation now, or starts tomorrow, and I'll be in and out of the office (and don't do updates from home) during the holidays that updates will be pretty sporadic. I have some to get to - I may or may not before I leave Friday, depends on the actual workload. If you want to hang on to your images until after the New Year, then by all means feel free. It would be best, actually, so as not to fill up our email inbox. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:24:03 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DR.1 paint colors + more Message-ID: <4.1.20001221095334.009f0d80@mail> >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:42:20 EST >From: NodalPoint@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Secret Handshake? >Message-ID: > Two days ago I asked about DR.1 camo colors Hello "Nodalpoint" I can't help with the historical aspect of your request, but I recently asked the list about the preferred paint brands and colors used to replicate the CDL undercoat of the Dr. 1. Here is a listing of the responses for you and the listmembers. Note that some of these colors are "experimental", in that the modelers are trying out different colors to find one that suits their taste. Gunze-Sanyo sail color Mixed artists acrylics with Future - Unbleached Titanium tinted to taste Ceramcoat Antique White Ceramcoat Ivory Ceramcoat Old Parchment Ceramcoat Straw Floquil Antique White Floquil Depot Buff Floquil Foundation Others have provided responses regarding the streaky green color. I would also like to share with the listmembers another option for replicating the Turquoise underside color of the Dr.1. Taking note of the recent discussions regarding Ceramcoat acrylic artists paints, I made a trip to the local crafts store to check them out. I found the Ceramcoat Turquoise to be much to green. However, next to the Ceramcoat display was another series of acrylic paints called "Americana" by Deco-Art. This brand includes an intense Turquoise blue paint that, in my view, offers a close match to the underside Dr.1 color. It needs to be toned down and lightened a bit with some added white, and thus will provide a rich blue-green (more on the blue side) hue. The cost is $0.99 for a plastic bottle of a size that would probably provide enough paint for the entire DML Dr.1 inventory (OK, an exaggeration, but it is a large amount and is equivalent to the size of the Ceramcoat bottles). Be advised that the stuff is really thick. I experimented with thinning using distilled water, alcohol, and Future. The water and alcohol didn't work very well - the water created an overly wet and thick layer of paint and didn't really mix well and the alcohol-thinned solution left a grainy finish on some scrap plastic. The Future seemed to work well, as long as the pigment and thinning medium were thoroughly mixed (it takes a lot of stirring and agitation). Anyway, just wanted to advise the list that the Americana paints may offer another alternative. Myles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:48:59 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Best Wishes Message-ID: <4.1.20001221095441.009f9e10@mail> Dear Listmembers, I'm heading on towards the western desert of Texas that was once my home for the annual family and old friends holiday events. I'll be away from my main computer access until around New Years, but may be able to check the archives once in awhile to keep up on things. For 2001, I hope to have some [finally completed] models to post on the website. 1/3 done - DML Spad XIII 1/2 done - Blue Max Junkers D1/J9 2/3 done - DML Fokker Dr.1 Best wishes for the holidays, and may everyone get an Eduard under your tree and a CSM instrument set in your stocking. Myles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:53:48 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Holiday greetings from Paradise Message-ID: <9a.dc80efa.2773abbc@aol.com> In a message dated 12/21/00 10:33:42 AM EST, Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes: << And to get it back OT, I have to admit missing nearly all of them, I did see one years and years ago. My memory tells me it was about a Fokker DrI replica but I think MvR, Lanoe Hawker and Roy Brown were involved somewhere. It wasn't very good except for some nice in-flight views of the Fokker, Does anyone recognize it, I don't think it's one of the famous ones? >> "Von Richtofen and Brown," 1974, the last movie Roger Corman directed himself. Shot in Ireland. Starred Don Stroud as Roy Brown, I can't remember who palyed MvR. TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:19:28 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Why Charlie's Angels are OT (Was: Holiday Greetings...) Message-ID: Neil said: "And to get it back OT, I have to admit missing nearly all of them, I did see one years and years ago. My memory tells me it was about a Fokker DrI replica but I think MvR, Lanoe Hawker and Roy Brown were involved somewhere. It wasn't very good except for some nice in-flight views of the Fokker, Does anyone recognize it, I don't think it's one of the famous ones?" I think the (English) title was "Von Richthofen and Brown", and it is better to forget about that one. In Germany they obviously ran it as "Der Rote Baron". Terrible thing which mixed some historical facts (like the Voss fight - what cowling did the tripe have in that movie?) with what must have been one of the worst stories EVER filmed. Slightly earlier was the "Blue Max" which had at least a somewhat better story as well as better flying scenes. However, to come to the title of my mail, one of the strange things over here in Malaysia are the proliferous VideoCD shops you find in every mall - usually selling the latest Hollywood stuff (see title) for less than 2 US $. However, I was amazed in the last weeks to find copies of both the Wellman Classic "Wings" (the movie which received the first ever Academy award for best movie - and the director was a OT pilot) and Hughes' "Hell´s Angels" - now these were movies! Disgressing to music, I recently (while still continuing to unpack my stuff) rediscovered and watched a taped German TV production on MvR from (I guess) the early eighties. Nothing really interesting, but in between was some music from a group called "The Red Barons". They sang a song that MIGHT be titled "Red Albatros, White October Sun". Has anybody heard about this group, and is there maybe even a CD on the market? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:06:15 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roseplane Caudron G-3? Message-ID: <3A4254A7.82ABFE2D@helsinki.fi> Michael Thank you very much for the information. Sounds a like must-have thing. Jan > It's a upgrade of an older Roseplane vac that was released a few years ago - > I don't know how long ago. It's pretty nice from what I can tell but I > haven't laid it against a set of drawings or anything yet. It contains a > bunch of new resin, including the cockpit/nacelle. Barry doesn't have it up > on his site yet - probably he is busy at this time of year and he's only > just started the making the upgrades. > > Michael > _________ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2910 **********************