WWI Digest 2909 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Secret Handshake? by NodalPoint@aol.com 2) RE: Secret Handshake? by "Ray Boorman" 3) Re: Secret Handshake? by Todd Hayes 4) Re: Secret Handshake? by "Tom Solinski" 5) Re: Resin for the Ages by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 6) CMK 1:48 Junkers D.I Instructions/Ernest Thomas by Todd Hayes 7) Re: Bellsouth failures, was Re: Flare pistols and "Can anyone hear me?" by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 8) Re: Secret Handshake? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 9) Re: Bill Bacon Memorial Library Contribution by REwing@aol.com 10) Re: Secret Handshake? by "DAVID BURKE" 11) Re: Secret Handshake? by CAUhlir@aol.com 12) What a great Xmas present!! by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 13) Re: Secret Handshake? by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Thirteen Days (ot) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 15) Re: Secret Handshake? by Zulis@aol.com 16) RE: Revell OT kits (Was Your (my) OT kit of the year) by Crawford Neil 17) Re: Secret Handshake? by "Bob Pearson" 18) New Chandelle by "Rob." 19) RE: Secret Handshake? by "dfernet0" 20) RE: Your (my) OT kit of the year by Shane Weier 21) RE: DR.1 Camo Colors by Shane Weier 22) Re: Secret Handshake? by Rob & Sherry 23) Dr1 colours by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 24) Fok. Dr.I Painting, was Secret Handshake? by Jan Vihonen 25) RE: Your (my) OT kit of the year by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:42:20 EST From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: I've been subscribed to the list for a few months now and have asked some questions in the past and gotten some nice replies. It's a great source of information. Lately though, my few questions seem to have fallen on deaf ears. I've had to repost several times and then might only get a single reply. Two days ago I asked about DR.1 camo colors and didn't get a single response. Are my questions really bad or something? Or are they considered off topic? I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert. That's why I subscribe to the list anyway. But It seems questions of a similar nature get lots of answers. Things which may seem obvious to the people who spend a lot more time at the hobby than I do are new and exciting to me. The list seems to be mostly personal so I'm wondering if I've stumbled across something that's by invite only or an organized club. Seeing the names of the people who post frequently, it seems like there are maybe 15-20 active people and a few others who fade in and out. I'm not trying to be too critical and don't want to ruffle any feathers (I certainly don't want to get any hate mail because I'm not trying to hurt any feelings), but I don't want to be taking up your space by constantly repeating questions that go unnoticed or don't belong here. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:59:40 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: Sometimes Questions just get passed by, by accident. If the list is busy on a particular day then a question gets missed and the askee has to ask again. As in DB's flare gun shout!!. Other days its more the fact that people are not online much and when they do come back the question is one amongst 100's of messages. Sometimes though its just the list members are not the all knowing font and no one has a real opinion that they feel stands up to critical judgment. In that case a lot of us would prefer not to guess and mislead the person asking. As to secret handshake, well there's the 1/48 types who have to do the "brail scale bump". Then ahem there's the "Heretical finger wavers". Of course the 1/72'ers do something but you need a microscope to tell what. All joking aside most of the people on the list try to answer questions when we can, so if you don't get an answer "try try again" maybe phrased differently of try the DB SHOUT OF HELP method;) btw we try to keep discussions friendly which makes this list the best virtual club I know of I would hate to see that disappear. Ray (Sorry didn't help with your question but I don't know the answer) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:08:34 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <20001221040834.71688.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> I certainly hope that's not the case. I've been subscribed for only a few months too. Guaranteed, any question that's specifically for me will be answered if I catch it. If I can answer a general question, I will no matter who asks it. TH --- NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > > I've been subscribed to the list for a few months > now and have asked some > questions in the past and gotten some nice replies. > It's a great source of > information. > > Lately though, my few questions seem to have fallen > on deaf ears. I've had to > repost several times and then might only get a > single reply. Two days ago I > asked about DR.1 camo colors and didn't get a single > response. > > Are my questions really bad or something? Or are > they considered off topic? > I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert. That's why > I subscribe to the list > anyway. But It seems questions of a similar nature > get lots of answers. > > Things which may seem obvious to the people who > spend a lot more time at the > hobby than I do are new and exciting to me. > > The list seems to be mostly personal so I'm > wondering if I've stumbled across > something that's by invite only or an organized > club. Seeing the names of the > people who post frequently, it seems like there are > maybe 15-20 active people > and a few others who fade in and out. > > I'm not trying to be too critical and don't want to > ruffle any feathers (I > certainly don't want to get any hate mail because > I'm not trying to hurt any > feelings), but I don't want to be taking up your > space by constantly > repeating questions that go unnoticed or don't > belong here. > > S > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:09:51 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <000801c06b03$de897c40$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> > Ray (Sorry didn't help with your question but I don't know the answer) But....It was one of the finest answers ever posted on this list! Tom S Going back to re read the first question ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:12:27 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Resin for the Ages Message-ID: <7b.de62b43.2772dd2b@aol.com> In a message dated 12/20/00 8:30:21 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << On the other hand, Tom has decayed significantly..... ;-) DB >> Nope, like a fine single-malt scotch allowed to age properly, I just get better and better. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:14:10 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: CMK 1:48 Junkers D.I Instructions/Ernest Thomas Message-ID: <20001221041410.23857.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Ernest, Would you give me your address again so I can send you the instructions you wanted. I deleted the message and lost the address. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:16:22 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bellsouth failures, was Re: Flare pistols and "Can anyone hear me?" Message-ID: In a message dated 12/20/00 10:06:56 PM EST, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << I'm at ethomas6@belsouth.net >> Not unless you live in that universe where all typos are autmatically changed to what they should be!! try ethomas6@bellsouth.net - believe me, he's as much a heretic as he always was, is, and shall be. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:22:27 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <93.4877e51.2772df83@aol.com> In a message dated 12/20/00 10:44:33 PM EST, NodalPoint@aol.com writes: << Two days ago I asked about DR.1 camo colors and didn't get a single response. >> I didn't answer because I thought one or two of the Serious Experten would have. Here's what I do, using Gunze-Sanyo paints: the underside is done in Hellblau (RLMN65), and the upper surfaces in "Sail Color." I then shoot a coat of Testor's Glosscote to seal this (so what I am about to do won't get through the varnish and harm the paint beneath). I then use the RLM71 Dark Green, a dark olive-green, andwith a 1/4" wide flat brush, I brush some on at an angle. I then dip the brush in rubbing alcohol, and go back over the paint, thinning it in an irregular way until it looks to my eye the way it should. I keep repeating that until the model is complete. I use the RLM colors because RLM65 sure looks like "turquoise blue," and RLM71 sure looks like "dark olive green." Several people, myself among them, think that the WW2 RLM colors came from already-established colors from WW1. BTW - at the point I paint the model, I have the fuselage assembled, but nothing else - wings and tail all separate. Final assembly doesn't come until after the painting. HTH Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:39:18 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: BigglesRFC@globalserve.net, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bill Bacon Memorial Library Contribution Message-ID: --part1_e2.e0b2a22.2772e376_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to let you know I dropped a copy of The SE5a Datafile Special in the > mail to you yesterday. It was donated to the list by Mr. Dave Hutchinson of > I received this book today and it is in the library. Great book. Thanks again, Brad. 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    I received this book today and it is in the library.  Great book.  
Thanks again, Brad.  If anyone would like to borrow it, let me know.

-Rick-
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--part1_e2.e0b2a22.2772e376_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:07:21 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <002501c06b0b$fbab6560$7b87aec7@com> > Sometimes Questions just get passed by, by accident. If the list is busy on > a particular day then a question gets missed > and the askee has to ask again. As in DB's flare gun shout!!. Who are you kidding? Youse guys all take turns ignoring me!! ;-) > Other days its more the fact that people are not online much and when they > do come back the question is one amongst 100's of messages. And sometimes the List is very quiet. > Sometimes though its just the list members are not the all knowing font and > no one has a real opinion that they feel stands up to critical judgment. In > that case a lot of us would prefer not to guess and mislead the person > asking. Jeez, like THAT'S stopped anybody before... > As to secret handshake, well there's the 1/48 types who have to do the > "brail scale bump". Then ahem there's the "Heretical finger wavers". Of > course the 1/72'ers do something but you need a microscope to tell what. Just don't mention a certain cowling and you'll be fine, lad! > All joking aside most of the people on the list try to answer questions > when we can, so if you don't get an answer "try try again" maybe phrased > differently of try the DB SHOUT OF HELP method;) H E L P ! > > btw we try to keep discussions friendly which makes this list the best > virtual club I know of I would hate to see that disappear. Damned Straight! > Ray (Sorry didn't help with your question but I don't know the answer) > DB (who used RLM 70 or 71 to streak over his Fokker Tripes. There's pics in the Gallery - David Burke) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:07:38 EST From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: Maybethe Dr1 cammo question came after all the Voss' cowl comments, Herr Timm's "earth grey" comments, etc :) Candice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:33:45 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: What a great Xmas present!! Message-ID: Back the beginning of the month, SWMBO decided she needed to fly north for the holidays and visit family (no matter how often she says "Family - the gift that keeps on *living*). No cheap fares, and besides, someone had to stay behind and keep track of the thundering feline herds at her homestead and mine (believe me, when you're dealing with these numbers, "herd" is the correct term). So I volunteered. Out of the kindness ot my heart and my concern for felinedom. Just saw her off from Burbank airport, and can now look forward to nine - count 'em! - *nine* days in which it is entirely unlikely the phone will ring for any reason, that I will have to do anything but get up, down the coffee while reading the morning fishwrap, then walk the "commute" from kitchen to modeling room, and MODEL until I have had enough and it's time for a finger of The Glenlivet to mark Progress Achieved. Believe me, there is going to be a *lot* of Progress Achieved, both OT and ot. :-) Solitude: a modeler's vision of the greatest Christmas present!!! And when she gets back we will "double the pleasure, double the fun" the following weekend. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:41:16 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <24.ec015ae.2772e3ec@aol.com> In a message dated 12/20/00 7:44:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, NodalPoint@aol.com writes: << I'm not trying to be too critical and don't want to ruffle any feathers (I certainly don't want to get any hate mail because I'm not trying to hurt any feelings), but I don't want to be taking up your space by constantly repeating questions that go unnoticed or don't belong here. S >> A lot of the folks are like me- they go through times when other stuff drags them away from the List- then circumstances ease up and then you can't shut us up! Sometimes I see questions posed and it drives me crazy that I can't go dig out an answer right then and there. RK ( who has a shot at a one-man show next spring which means turning up the flames under the painting burner, so I'm still sorta submerged....but I peek in with my periscope every day) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:28:06 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thirteen Days (ot) Message-ID: Just got back from a pre-release screening of this movie. GO SEE IT. It'll be out in mid-January. Had the priviIege of a pre-release screening tonight. I don't know how many of you think The Cuban Missile Crisis was an big thing, but I often think of myself as more of a Missile Crisis Veteran than I do as a Vietnam Veteran. I came far closer to dying in October '62 than I ever did August '64-June '65. Actually it was only 8 hours. 2200Golf to 0600 Golf October 22, 1962. I don't think of it that often, but the movie made me think. I was in aircrew school at North Island, and I was in line at the base laundry to pay for my uniforms when the girl at the cash register said "the President's going to speak." We all listened, I paid for my laundry, and went to the barracks. We were "under orders" - go to the briefing room (this was a training squadron). In the briefing room we were broken down into crews, with at least two vets/instructors per crew, and told "VP-46 is now operational." We were sent to a spot 50 miles SSW of Santa Catalina ("40 kilometers in a leaky old boat/any old thing that'll stay afloat/for romance, romance, romance, romance...") Our mission was a Russian Golf Class submarine - two air-breathing missiles with a 200 mile range (the Soviet equivalent of the US Grayling class with Regulus II missiles). We were told the "Grayling" took 10 minutes from surfacing to second missile gone, and that we should apply the same standard to the Golf. we were told the likely targets were Los Angeles south of the mountains and the San Fernando Valley (heart of the US aerospace industry then). We got out there, and got an indication on the MAD. We had orders that, if it surfaced after 2300 Golf that night, we were to attack and sink without warning. We all talked about it - a crew with an instructor pilot and an instrcutor chief for we technicians, average age of the crew I guess was 22 (I was 18). We knew well how little we knew. We talked about it, and ended up voting (unanimously) that if the submarine surfaced we would dive the airplane into the submarine on the first pass (we were pretty sure we wouldn't hit anything otherwise with the obsolescent bird we were flying). Our reasoning was that there were a million of them in LA and 9 of us, a "good trade". At 0600, the relief airplane showed up, the submarine hadn't surfaced, and we flew back to San Diego. There were no ships capable of getting underway that had been there when we took off at sunset that dawn. This is a very minor footnote to a moment that has turned out to be far bigger than we knew at the time. The only time I ever ran across someone who understood those 8 hours that night was waiting for "All American" and "9-0-9" to show up at Van Nuys airport in 1996, when I told the story to a 35-mission 8th AF vet. He hugged me andf said "thank you." I didn't realize until I saw the movie tonight what he did for me: I watched the movie in perfect calm. Often, when I am locked in "gridlock" driving around here, in the city I "saved" 38 years ago, that I have lived in for 30 years, I look around and say "You were a sucker, babes." TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:45:23 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <67.d80b72b.27730f13@aol.com> In a message dated 12/20/2000 11:02:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << Other days its more the fact that people are not online much and when they do come back the question is one amongst 100's of messages. >> l think Ray hits the nail on the head here. Either list traffic has increased, or else my life has become more complicated, because l am rarely caught up on reading the posts - usually, l run at least a couple of days behind. When scrambling to catch up, a question can easily get lost in the many many that make up the backlog. Also, if l am reading the posts 2-3 days late, l will often read a straightforward question and simply assume that someone must have answered it, so l just carry on. Perhaps l am not entirely unlike other list members in this regard.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:00:11 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Revell OT kits (Was Your (my) OT kit of the year) Message-ID: One of the sillier things I've written here, was the other day when I declared the ICM EIII as the kit of the year. I don't know how I got so mixed up, the worst of it all is that I didn't even buy one, it was Mårten that bought some kind of Fokker, at the swedish nat's. I bought a Morane "I". I think I got the idea from reading too much WS reviews and thinking, that sounds like a good kit, must get one. Which brings me to the point, IIRC Ray Rimell was quite nice about the ICM kit, was he just being nice, is he losing his grip, or am I? /Neil D wrote: >What? No EIII currently in production. The Eduard PE kit is beyond my >patience and skills, the MAC E.IV is horrible and the ICM E.IV involves as >much work as the ancient Revell to get an accurate model. On the Revell >E.III I figure that the front section of the fuselage has to be replaced >(not as much work as it seems, I guess) the wings sanded and the tail and >undercarriage replaced and you will have a contest winner. Besides it can be >used for a multitude of Fokker designs, not so with the uniquely elongated >E.IV fuselage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:46:04 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <200012210900.BAA10308@mail.rapidnet.net> S, In my own case I get between 100-200 messages a day (not counting AIM/ICQ) .. some are just deleted as spam, some I delete because I trust someone else will answer it, some I stay away from because I have no opinion one way or the other. There are also others that I just have no interest in as it has been gone over so often already and that is no fault of your own for asking it .. it is mine for moving on. Sometimes I just don't feel like typing anymore ... or doing research that requires me to move from my chair. When it is something specific that I think others won't answer I'll do so. I have also had three or four threads I tried to start in the last two weeks that just died. . reasons vary, but in the end it just means it wasn't their time. I would suggest reposting the questiion again at a later date, but DON'T make an issue of its not being asked the first time, that just engenders defensive feelings among the guilty and you may not get an answer for that reason. But posting it anew may allow someone who missed it the first time around to see it, or for someone who deleted it as part of the overnight purge to get it again. One nice thing about the list is the offlist friendships that form up. . I have many people from the list that I deal with on AIM or ICQ as well as via email .. every so often someone drifts away and someone new comes along. But whenever a question or idea that is felt will be of interest to the list pops up .. it goes to the list. Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:25:15 +0000 From: "Rob." To: Chandelle.readers@concentric.net Subject: New Chandelle Message-ID: <200012210610.BAA10830@newman.concentric.net> Chandelle Volume 5, Number 3 is now posted. Best wishes for the holidays and the new year. Robert Craig Johnson Editor Chandelle, the Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:34:20 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <006401c06b39$943b5c40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> S. wrote: > I've had to > repost several times and then might only get a single reply. Ray answered that one, but let me say that the WW1 List has a completely erratic behaviour. Sometimes you make a comment (it doesn't have to be a question at all!) and bum! hundreds of replys and lots of knowledge poured. But sometimes you ask that crucial bit of info.. and gets lost in cyberspace. Don't worry, try again... >Two days ago I > asked about DR.1 camo colors and didn't get a single response. Sorry, I don't remember it, maybe because my mind was wandering. Dark green streaks over CDL or over turquoise (like the undersides) The streaks are done at an angle, so check your references. Same for markings, the triplanes got caught in the early stage of markings change, so you can find different styles. Can I ask whose plane are you painting? Best thing to do those is by brush, just like the real thing. Practice first! Once you get hold of the technique, it's easy. > Things which may seem obvious to the people who spend a lot more time at the > hobby than I do are new and exciting to me. Got the same feeling everyday here in listland. I learn a new thing each day. > The list seems to be mostly personal so I'm wondering if I've stumbled across > something that's by invite only or an organized club. People told me that you got blackballed at the Country Club because you wore white shoes in october. Shocking! ;-) > but I don't want to be taking up your space by constantly > repeating questions that go unnoticed or don't belong here. No problem. Make yourself heard, but don't trust on us too much! ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:25:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Your (my) OT kit of the year Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748961@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael asks: > Which of the OT kits released in 2000 was your > favourite and why? Since there's many who like > to build in 1/72nd and 1/48 scale, pick > one of each if you want. Can I pick one in 1/350 too? This isn't only an aircraft list! So.. ICM 1/350 Konig This is a beautiful kit which is pleasing me immensely. For starters, it's better detailed than any other injection moulded ship kit I've ever seen, and shows that ICM *can* mould the finest detail without technical error. It's also accurate, fits well, and utterly unique as a kit - there being no other injection moulded large scale WW1 battleship kit (okay, but Grosser Kurfurst is the same plastic) The shippees have long been in the same position we WW1 airplane builders were in 15 years ago - few, poor or old injection kits with the slack being taken up by the cottage industry. ICM might just help them to a golden age too. 1/48 - I've lost track of what was released when. For me a toss-up between the Eduard Roland C.II and the Blue Max Snipe (or was that 1999?), the former for the terrific quality, the later for the subject plus near perfection in short run plastic. 1/72 - Eduards Albatros was on my bench in mid year and so good I built it in under 6 weeks. A narrow winner over their Dr.I and slightly further to the Roden Pfalz D.IIIa which I have seen today for the first time. At A$8.50 == To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: DR.1 Camo Colors Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748960@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Steve, I've been away from home for a few days and have many hundreds of emails to catch up on - so *this* one hadn't even been read until I saw your "Secret Handshake" post (yes, I read todays posts before the older ones where the subjects may be interesting, but may already be played out) All of Rays reasons for a lack of responses are valid, and I'll add one more which is appropriate for your particular question. > > Just wondering about the brushed on paint applied to DR.1's. > I've heard that > the colors may have ranged from olive green to a brown color. Yeah, well that applies to PC.10 too, a colour for which we actually *know* the pigments and proportions used. > > I've seen lots of olive or dull green tripes but haven't come > across any browns. > > Anyone out there have any comments about brownish shades on the DR.1? Occasionally mentioned in period writing IIRC, but also some surprising quotes like "silvery" > > And what about the DR.1 replica at the Air Force museum in > Dayton? If I > remember correctly, it appears to be an orange-brown. Is that > accurate? And here is where I tell you what the other reason for no answer might be. To put it bluntly, I'm too cautious to comment because this is one of those things which no-one seems to know about for sure - "experts" included - and I'd rather not lead a friend astray by making wild guesses when what I "know" is simply that the paint is said to be "Fokker Green" and the surviving fabric looks rather brown - maybe because the cellulose acetate in the dope has gone all brown as old acetate film does - which may or may not be how the aircraft looked 80 years ago. I'm sorry no-one answered this time. It may simply be that like me, no-one else felt that they had a usefull answer Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:10:09 -0500 From: Rob & Sherry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001221081009.007d5840@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> Hello, I don't think this is the case. I am new to the list and asked some questions recently that I am sure have been covered a million times. I got plenty of answers and a warm welcome. As far as your questions, I can't answer them. About the only thing I know on colors/paint can be found at: http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_colorcharts.htm Rob At 10:46 PM 12/20/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >I've been subscribed to the list for a few months now and have asked some >questions in the past and gotten some nice replies. It's a great source of >information. > >Lately though, my few questions seem to have fallen on deaf ears. I've had to >repost several times and then might only get a single reply. Two days ago I >asked about DR.1 camo colors and didn't get a single response. > >Are my questions really bad or something? Or are they considered off topic? >I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert. That's why I subscribe to the list >anyway. But It seems questions of a similar nature get lots of answers. > >Things which may seem obvious to the people who spend a lot more time at the >hobby than I do are new and exciting to me. > >The list seems to be mostly personal so I'm wondering if I've stumbled across >something that's by invite only or an organized club. Seeing the names of the >people who post frequently, it seems like there are maybe 15-20 active people >and a few others who fade in and out. > >I'm not trying to be too critical and don't want to ruffle any feathers (I >certainly don't want to get any hate mail because I'm not trying to hurt any >feelings), but I don't want to be taking up your space by constantly >repeating questions that go unnoticed or don't belong here. > >S > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:11:15 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Dr1 colours Message-ID: <12.678d312.27735b73@aol.com> My twopennyworth on this favours a brown olive colour, for much the same reason as I lean toward a brown shade for PC10. Pigments of the period tended to me somewhat fugitive and what started out as one colour would pretty soon fade to something quite different. A green would quickly fade to brown. For my money both PC10 and "Fokker Green" can be based on any pre-1943 version of US olive drab, which was browner than later versions of this colour. Gunze have a very good one in their range of accrilics.You can find two attempts of mine at "streaky green", a DVII and a DrI, on Allans web site. at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Leonard/CP/index.html Please don't take the initial lack of response to your question as a slight. It's happened to me before and it will happen again I am sure. There may be many reasons; it was a busy day and it got over looked. (it can be a little daunting to log on and find over a hundred e-mails waiting to be read. A little pruning is often necessary. Look at it as a little like counting votes in Florida) Nobody knew the answer (unlikely in this group) Somebody knew the answer but felt that someone else was better qualified to give it and stepped aside. But then in the event no-body did answer (sods law) stick with it, it's for sure you know something nobody else does and enquiring minds will want to know. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:21:48 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Fok. Dr.I Painting, was Secret Handshake? Message-ID: <3A4203EC.516ACF5F@helsinki.fi> Could any of you who have the Albatros publications monographs of Fokker Dr.I refer what is said in the colours section. Plus possible F.S. and/or Methuen references there. FWIW, I too, as a newbie myself, consider this list a collection very helpful and very nice people. TIA Jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:26:39 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Your (my) OT kit of the year Message-ID: >From: Shane Weier >>Michael asks: > > > Which of the OT kits released in 2000 was your > > favourite and why? Since there's many who like > > to build in 1/72nd and 1/48 scale, pick > > one of each if you want. > >Can I pick one in 1/350 too? You can pick anything you like mate, except your relatives! >This isn't only an aircraft list! What a nerve! These Arsenal fans think they just say anything! >So.. > >ICM 1/350 Konig [Moaning about lack of WW1 ships snipped!] continues... >insert my prayer for a 1/350 injection WW1 *British* battle ship >here Lack of a kit didn't stop you from building the Bristol Fighter 2.B did it? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2909 **********************