WWI Digest 2907 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Flare Pistols by Dave Watts 2) Re: Revell OT kits (Was Your (my) OT kit of the year) by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 3) Re: Club out of the box model build. by "David Calhoun" 4) DH2 wings by Morg17ms@aol.com 5) HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 by Todd Hayes 6) Re: Flare Pistols by "Limon3" 7) Flare pistols and "Can anyone hear me?" by Dave Watts 8) Albatros progress by "Kenneth Zelnick" 9) Fun little thing (ot) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 10) Re: Flare pistols and "Can anyone hear me?" by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: Albatros progress by Ernest Thomas 12) Holiday greetings from Paradise by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 13) Italian Voisins (was: Quick review) by "Alberto Casirati" 14) RE: Italian Voisins (was: Quick review) by "dfernet0" 15) New 1/72nd kit by "Matt Bittner" 16) Re: Flare pistols and "Can anyone hear me?" by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: New 1/72nd kit by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: New 1/72nd kit by "Matt Bittner" 19) Re: New 1/72nd kit by Witold Kozakiewicz 20) Re: New 1/72nd kit by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:13:24 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flare Pistols Message-ID: <200012192317.RAA30183@linux.wpds.net> Hi DB, >Anybody have info on the flare pistols that were mounted in the cockpits of German A/C? I've got about five or six of these. You used to be able to pick them up for around $100, although I've seen them going for more on eBay. As a matter of fact, I just did a search on eBay and found one listed, but it had been pulled off for some reason, the start bid was $98, about what I was thinking. I'm terrible about posting images, so you should be able to spot one on eBay. I also have an original dated and hallmarked empty brass flare casing. >I have pics of the barrels sticking out of the side of the planes, and the doped fabric strips that reinforced the orifice. I don't know what they looked like on the inside. I have a large photo of a stripped Fokker D.VII frame at McCook airfield, (Dayton), and you can easily make out the flare gun tube and mounting. Basically they clamped a large bracket onto the vertical fuselage frame member in the cockpit area, (normally on the right side of the cockpit), and the bracket has a tube welded to it to discharge the gun through. These were fitted in the field, so the fabric would often get "messed up" from the installation. I've only seen a couple of photos showing the gun in the cockpit, but I believe the flare gun would be in the "IN" position, and not holstered somewhere else in the cockpit awaiting use. There is the photo of the Dr.I on page 85 of Imrie's Fokker Triplane book that shows the flare gun aimed directly vertical, (skyward), which to me varies from "standard" horizontal, (away, back, and downward), D.VII installation. >Pistol grip, or was it removed? Pistol grip for sure. Best holiday wishes, Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:29:49 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Revell OT kits (Was Your (my) OT kit of the year) Message-ID: <000c01c06a13$954e8d90$5537183f@cyrixp166> Drop Revell-o-gram a line. They are soliciting suggestions for their Special Release program (They call it SSW but I don't know what this stands for). Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: Revell OT kits (Was Your (my) OT kit of the year) > > > Crawford Neil wrote: > > > Have hope, I get the impression that Revell re-release them > > on a regular basis. I agree completely about the collectors > > series, I think they are wonderful. The original (Roy Cross?) > > box-covers are so inspiring. I've built the DH2,Spad XIII,Fokker DVII > > ,Sopwith Triplane, Ni17 and Ni 28(nearly finished). I only have six > > left to do, and some of them have been superceded, I will build the > > modern kit equivalents instead, it's nice to have some of them unbuilt > > they look so nice with that fabric imitation, I hate sanding it off > > because that was the way I was bought up to think they looked like! > > /Neil > > Some they do, some they don't. The SPAD & Camel have been pretty frequent, as > have the Nie 28, the DVII & the Dr1. The Morane N was around late 80's/early > 90s. On the other hand, I can't recall the DH2, Sopwith Tripe, Nie 17, or SE5A, > as having been released in the last 15 years. The Fokker E111 was discontinued > about 1986. > > My choice for rerelease would be the DH2, Tripe and SE5a (Maybe the Nie 17). The > Camel is still the best 1/72nd scale one ! > > DF > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:47:20 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Club out of the box model build. Message-ID: <002e01c06a37$90967960$120c3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Ray, Our Wings & Wheels club has an out of box contest every year. The following is a good basis for what you can & can't do. Interior detail is limited to adding masking tape seatbelts. No other extra detail can be added that is not included in the kit. I don't know about scribing panel lines on the wings, but this is ok on the fuselage when filling seams & sanding off the kit detail. Cutting parts out - such as 1 piece canopies & ailerons, etc is a no no. Unless the kit instructions show this being done, with optional parts. For rigging on OT aircraft, I always use stretched sprue (out of the box) just so I don't have anycomplaints from the judges. Also if an item is shown in the instructions it is permissible (such as using wire for radiator hoses on the Eduard Albatros). Always bring along the instruction sheet if there is any questionable items. Hope this helps. Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:20 PM Subject: Club out of the box model build. > Has anyone built for the typical "IPMS club meeting out of the box builds". > Some places call them "Big mouth Builds". > > The rules I have in front of me state the model you must build the scale > and limit on price. It also says after market decals are ok along with > scratchbuilt seatbelts and stretched sprue antenna's. Doesn't say anything > else though. > > My problems are; > > Can I add some cockpit detail to go with the seatbelts - I'm thinking no?? > Can I scribe details on the fuselage wings etc?? This seems ok to me - I > mean I'm just replacing details that may have been sanded away. > > Can I separate movable surfaces and add wire pushrods, instead of the > plastic lumps?? (As in Rudder Elevator ailerons etc.) > > Sorry to waste list time with ot, but I have never built anything except for > my own amusement, and ahem I go to the IPMS meeting once or twice a year so > I have never really taken much notice before since its normally 109 thingies > or kero burners. > > Email me offlist if you have any opinions, I should have asked at the club > but forgot, the next meeting isn't for 4 weeks so I'm a little impatient > plus at my speed I need all the time I can get. > > btw a great product to use on older MPM or Eduard dirty plastic is the > Flexifile polisher finisher #3210. Takes only a few mins to clean rough > surface plastic and get it polished. I've never used the Flexi system before > since I typically use nail care flexible Emory boards instead. Very > inexpensive and just as good as flexi file. But this particular one is > amazing, it leaves a really polished surface with very little work. > > Ray (btw the big mouth model is a JU 87 thingy of which I chose the A > variant in 1/72 scale, now if only they'd let me enter a Junkers J1) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:08:43 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DH2 wings Message-ID: <86.4824856.2771609b@aol.com> Lance Wings done thusly: after re-contouring, markedly thinning, denuding of all surface detail, cutting out ailerons, cutting dihedral at roots - 1 lower surface - Misterkit clear doped linen as base coat. Longitudinal spar shadows masked and airbrushed [a/b] on with XtraColor X401 matt canvas tan. Rib shadows simulated with thin strips of Super Scale TF-013 brown decal. Then shadows deepened with a varying overspray of the XtraColor matt canvas again. The roundel shadow was done by cutting out a sheet 'washer' the size of the middle white band of the roundel, and holding it above the wing while I a/b more of the shadow colour (and all over my finger too). Sealed with clear spray. Edges masked and a 1/2 mm margin of the PC10 painted around the edges (hard to see on the photos). 2 upper surface - take copy of wing plan and glue to a sheet of plastic, say 0.030" thick. Using a fine drill, about 0.010" or 0.012" drill a hole at the leading and trailing edge at EVERY rib and riblet site. Tedious as there will be several dozen holes, and they must be in line. Place blanked wing on plan. Run fine thread through the holes and over the top of the wing at every rib and riblet, going back and forth, like lacing a shoe. Pull tight. Put a drop of thin CA along the threads (not too far on the riblets) to secure them. Don't worry about a little slopping of the CA. Place a straight edge along the ends of the riblets and cut them all off at the same length. I tried spraying some Future to further secure the thread, but it's not necessary - the CA is enough. Cut the threads and release the wing. Then spray on several coats of auto primer, sanding lightly only every few coats. This will build up between the threads giving a realistic and SUBTLE scalloped fabric effect. I then topped off each rib (not riblets) with a strip of decal tape to simulate the rib tapes. Colour coat of Misterkit PC10, and etc, etc. The photos are a little wavy in focus - the result looks better than pictured. I did the same for the tail feathers, etc. Takes a while but what the hell, that's what a hobby is supposed to do and besides, when you're doing a pusher it's mostly all wing anyway so you might as well 'guild the lilly' a little. Certainly is a long way around the "dreaded wing ripples!" Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: HR Models 1:48 Martinsyde S.1 Message-ID: <20001220020747.95206.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, Lubos at VAMP e-mailed me today to tell me the Martinsyde is available from him now. $20. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:32:01 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Flare Pistols Message-ID: <008301c06a3d$ce5e26c0$6af7303f@f4w2s5> In the Aviatik DI Datafile, there's a nice pic of a flare pistol mounted on the side of "MIZZI" looks kind like it might pivot forward to load (?) Gabe -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Flare Pistols >Hi Lee and Diego, > > I like the idea of a flare tube more than a permanent fixed mount in the >side of a fabric-covered plane!! You are right about Very pistols getting >hot! I wonder if there was a holster in the cockpit for the pistol; some >WW2 fighters of all nations had them and some had them spring-clipped to a >bulkead or side-wall. > > All in all, I'm just gonna use a piece of hypo tubing for the flare >chute, and figure on the pistol later. > > Thanks >for the input! > > >DB > > ...suffering the torments of the damned - a sinus infection on top of a >cold - and watching the snow... > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:22:06 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Subject: Flare pistols and "Can anyone hear me?" Message-ID: <200012200526.XAA32507@linux.wpds.net> Hi DB, >Anybody have info on the flare pistols that were mounted in the cockpits of German A/C? I've got about five or six of these. You used to be able to pick them up for around $100, although I've seen them going for more on eBay. As a matter of fact, I just did a search on eBay and found one listed, but it had been pulled off for some reason, the start bid was $98, about what I was thinking. I'm terrible about posting images, so you should be able to spot one on eBay. I also have an original dated and hallmarked empty brass flare casing. >I have pics of the barrels sticking out of the side of the planes, and the doped fabric strips that reinforced the orifice. I don't know what they looked like on the inside. I have a large photo of a stripped Fokker D.VII frame at McCook airfield, (Dayton), and you can easily make out the flare gun tube and mounting. Basically they clamped a large bracket onto the vertical fuselage frame member in the cockpit area, (normally on the right side of the cockpit), and the bracket has a tube welded to it to discharge the gun through. These were fitted in the field, so the fabric would often get "messed up" from the installation. I've only seen a couple of photos showing the gun in the cockpit, but I believe the flare gun would be in the "IN" position, and not holstered somewhere else in the cockpit awaiting use. There is the photo of the Dr.I on page 85 of Imrie's Fokker Triplane book that shows the flare gun aimed directly vertical, (skyward), which to me varies from "standard" horizontal, (away, back, and downward), D.VII installation. >Pistol grip, or was it removed? Pistol grip for sure. Best holiday wishes, Dave W. P.S. DID ANYONE SEE THIS REPLY? I replyed to it but didn't see my reply. Can anyone help me out here? I've been getting everyone else's postings just fine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:44:44 -0600 From: "Kenneth Zelnick" To: Subject: Albatros progress Message-ID: <001301c06a47$f4cdbc80$8d2ab4d0@dell> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C06A15.A9C855B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, Since I post so infrequently, and build so infrequently, I thought you = might be interested in an update on my current build, a Glencoe A-H = Albatros. I haven't decided on a paint scheme yet, but I have started = on the pieces of plastic that are supposed to represent an engine. So = far I've glued the two halves together and started removing things. I = removed the molded on pipe one side, the camshaft, and the valve = springs, and created some space between the cylinders. In the process, = I got overzealous with the sandpaper and files, so I had to fill in some = with Squadron white. I simply had to try making some new valve springs, = and they are now in place, although somewhat uneven and crooked. What = engine would be complete without spark plugs, so I got some insulated = wire (30 ga., I think), and cut it to best-guess length. I then clipped = each piece at the middle in a small pair of hemostats and removed the = insulation from each end. One end will be inserted into holes drilled = in the cylinders, and the plug wires will be attached to the other end. = I made the distributors from spare pieces of sprue cut and sanded to = best-guess shape, and will run plug wires from them to the spark plugs. = I still have to finish the cam shaft and some assorted plumbing. Notice = that a lot of this is best-guess, as my only references are _Jane's = Fighting Aircraft of WWI_ and the Squadron _Albatros Fighters in = Action_. Anyway, I'm having a blast breaking in some new skills on an = inexpensive model. My son recently got a camera for his PC, and I'll take some pics as soon = as I figure out how to work it. If anyone is interested, I'll submit = them to the web site. How do I do this? Al, Matt, should I e-mail them = to one of you? Thanks for listening. I hope you old-timers didn't find this too = boring. Thanks to lots of you for posting the information that I have = absorbed from the list. Happy holidays to all, Ken Zelnick ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C06A15.A9C855B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
Since I post so infrequently, and build = so=20 infrequently, I thought you might be interested in an update on my = current=20 build, a Glencoe A-H Albatros.  I haven't decided on a paint scheme = yet,=20 but I have started on the pieces of plastic that are supposed to = represent an=20 engine.  So far I've glued the two halves together and started = removing=20 things.  I removed the molded on pipe one side, the = camshaft, and the=20 valve springs, and created some space between the cylinders.  In = the=20 process, I got overzealous with the sandpaper and files, so I had to = fill in=20 some with Squadron white.  I simply had to try making some new = valve=20 springs, and they are now in place, although somewhat uneven and = crooked. =20 What engine would be complete without spark plugs, so I got some = insulated wire=20 (30 ga., I think), and cut it to best-guess length.  I then clipped = each=20 piece at the middle in a small pair of hemostats and removed the = insulation from=20 each end.  One end will be inserted into holes drilled in the = cylinders,=20 and the plug wires will be attached to the other end.  I made the=20 distributors from spare pieces of sprue cut and sanded to best-guess = shape, and=20 will run plug wires from them to the spark plugs.  I still have to = finish=20 the cam shaft and some assorted plumbing.  Notice that a lot of = this is=20 best-guess, as my only references are _Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI_ = and the=20 Squadron _Albatros Fighters in Action_.  Anyway, I'm having a blast = breaking in some new skills on an inexpensive model.
 
My son recently got a camera for his = PC, and I'll=20 take some pics as soon as I figure out how to work it.  If anyone = is=20 interested, I'll submit them to the web site.  How do I do = this?  Al,=20 Matt, should I e-mail them to one of you?
 
Thanks for listening.  I hope you = old-timers=20 didn't find this too boring.  Thanks to lots of you for posting the = information that I have absorbed from the list.
 
Happy holidays to all,
 
Ken Zelnick
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C06A15.A9C855B0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:49:00 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Fun little thing (ot) Message-ID: <8c.f086f.2771a24c@aol.com> Fun!! Enjoy!! :) DON'T CHEAT BY SCROLLING DOWN FIRST!!!!! It only takes 30 seconds........................................ Work this out as you read. Be sure you don't read the bottom until you've worked it out! 1. First of all, pick a number of times a week that you would like to have chocolate. (try for more than once but less than 10) 2. Multiply this number by 2 (Just to be bold) 3. Add 5. (for Sunday) 4. Multiply it by 50 (being a bit stupid) I'll wait while you get the calculator................. 5. If you have already had your birthday this year, add 1750. If you haven't, add 1749................ 6. Now subtract the four digit year that you were born. (if you remember) You should have a three digit number.......... The first digit of this was your original number. (i.e. how many times you want to have chocolate each week) The next two numbers are your age. THIS IS THE ONLY YEAR (2000) IT WILL EVER WORK, SO..............SPREAD IT AROUND WHILE IT LASTS. IMPRESSIVE ISN'T IT. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:58:48 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: The List Subject: Re: Flare pistols and "Can anyone hear me?" Message-ID: <3A404A98.616D128A@bellsouth.net> It came through just fine Dave. So after being on this list for I don't know how many years now, I've come to the conclusion that you, Dave, are most likely sitting on a big pile of OT artifacts, mementos, etc... Am I correct? Can I be in your will? :-) E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:09:40 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros progress Message-ID: <3A404D23.563C6B45@bellsouth.net> Kenneth Zelnick wrote: > Notice > that a lot of this is best-guess, as my only references are _Jane's = > Fighting Aircraft of WWI_ and the Squadron _Albatros Fighters in = > Action Try this... http://home.xnet.com/~tmblweed/mercedes.html E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:24:09 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Holiday greetings from Paradise Message-ID: Well, that last might be a bit strong, but when it's 80F, a beautiful clear day with just enough wind the night before to clean out the aerial crud - one of the days when LA really is beautiful - and I'm hearing how those of you to the east are running around in snow cats because of the whiteouts, or hiding in storm cellars, or shivering in the dark with no power or (if you live in Paris) hoping your house knows how to swim (likely the same in Blighty), it certainly does seem paradisiacal here. Thank God the Navy rescued me from Winter lo these many years ago when they kidnapped me out of Colorado!! :-) This time of year, those of us in the movie biz guilds, like the Wankers (er, Writer's) Guild, get to go to movies for free, so you can really stock up. (They're fishing for our votes for things like Guild awards, Oscars, etc.) Anyway, I have seen two that I want to pass on to you: one you might just pass by even if it does have Sean Connery in it, and another little one that might slip past too fast for you to decide to go if you don't do so on opening night. They're both about being an artist. The first is "Finding Forrester" with Sean Connery. On the basis of the story, stupid me would not have gone to see it were it not free. It's about a young writer who discovers an old master writer lives in his neighborhood, who gets the guy to come back into the world. It's about being a writer. I would not personally think that writing, one of the most interior of the arts, could ever make a good subject for something as visual as a movie, but this proves me wrong. Go see it and come out feeling good. The other is "Pollock," which stars Ed Harris and is his directing debut. I had known of this project for about 10 of the 15 years he's spent trying to get it made. The best "artist's biopic" I have ever seen, period. It's about Jackson Pollock, very unsentimental, and very true. As far as I am concerned there are four really revolutionary artists of the last 200 years: Beethoven, Van Gogh, Picasso and Pollock, so I had a lot of interest here in the subject matter and was not disappointed. This is a really interesting study of the creative process. Whether or not you like Modern Expressionism or not, it's a compelling story. My only complaint about either of these movies is that they don't have the credit "Screenplay By Thomas McKelvey Cleaver." I sure would like to have been involved. And now I shall go back to enjoying the only good weather in the northern hemisphere. Most likely that will be subject to change. :-) Merry Christmas/Holiday greetings to all. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:27:37 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "Witold Kozakiewicz" Cc: Subject: Italian Voisins (was: Quick review) Message-ID: <001101c06a67$7cf23e00$990d623e@s> Glad to hear that Witold is planning to build a Voisin in Italian markings. BTW, the type was extensively flown by the 25a Squadriglia (amongst others) of the Aviazione del Regio Esercito, one of the most gallant Italian recce squadrons. It seems that Italian Voisin crews did not consider their plane's low speed a decisive disadvantage and never felt inferior to enemy fighters, very frequently fending them off in combat. Although I am not in the position to assure that there were white Italian Voisins, there MAY have been some, although at present the alternative of clear doped ** bleached ** linen (thus very light, such as Macchi-built Nieuport 11s within the 1000 serial range) seems more probable to me. I admit, though, that I still have to study the type in depth. All the very best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:12:50 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Italian Voisins (was: Quick review) Message-ID: <004501c06a6d$68899340$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Yesterday I was examining the decals sheet on the Flasback Voisin, but I saw that the green portion on the rudder decals is a bit too bright for the italian flag green. Well, anyway I decided that my Voisin won't be italian, but the same plane as in that painting where a dead observer is being carried out of the plane as his pilot salutes him standing in the cockpit. Anyway, the kit looks so good that I know that will be a chance in the future when I'll build another if I live long enough. Tell us Alberto, if the wings were bleached linen, the small cockpit "carriage" was still painted white or in a very light tan to match the wing colour? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto Casirati To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:38 AM Subject: Italian Voisins (was: Quick review) > Glad to hear that Witold is planning to build a Voisin in Italian markings. > BTW, the type was extensively flown by the 25a Squadriglia (amongst others) > of the Aviazione del Regio Esercito, one of the most gallant Italian recce > squadrons. It seems that Italian Voisin crews did not consider their plane's > low speed a decisive disadvantage and never felt inferior to enemy fighters, > very frequently fending them off in combat. > Although I am not in the position to assure that there were white Italian > Voisins, there MAY have been some, although at present the alternative of > clear doped ** bleached ** linen (thus very light, such as Macchi-built > Nieuport 11s within the 1000 serial range) seems more probable to me. I > admit, though, that I still have to study the type in depth. > > All the very best, > > Alberto Casirati > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:04:34 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New 1/72nd kit Message-ID: <200012201304.FAA19278@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I just received word that Model Group Dnieper (MGD) is releasing a 1/72nd injected Hansa Brandenburg C.I. This is their first WW1 release - their prior aircraft release was the big VVS MBR-2bis, which is a very nice kit. Cool! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:42:35 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Flare pistols and "Can anyone hear me?" Message-ID: <002601c06a86$4a764240$38ec79a5@com> > P.S. DID ANYONE SEE THIS REPLY? I replyed to it but didn't see my reply. > Can anyone help me out here? I've been getting everyone else's postings > just fine. > Yeah Dave, got it the first time - thanks, sorry I forgot to thank you when I first saw it. Pardon the typing - @&$^&% Landlord let the heat go out again and it was 16F last night... GRRRRR. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:25:17 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New 1/72nd kit Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" >I just received word that Model Group Dnieper (MGD) is releasing a >1/72nd injected Hansa Brandenburg C.I. This is their first WW1 >release - >their prior aircraft release was the big VVS MBR-2bis, >which is a very >nice kit. Cool! > I saw that MBR-2bis, I believe, sort of a cantilever job with struts anfd floats. The kit itself was OK - softish plastic, some flash but not too bad. Weren't there a few different H-B C.1's? I have the Eagles-Talon vacuform kit - also a decent vac but it has no resin or metal - you have to find your own wheels, propeller, engine etc. or make them from the vac. Maybe a combination of the MGD kit and the vac is possible. Where'd you find out about this kit? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:33:01 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New 1/72nd kit Message-ID: <200012201333.FAA24113@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:30:25 -0500 (EST), Michael Kendix wrote: > I saw that MBR-2bis, I believe, sort of a cantilever job with struts anfd > floats. The kit itself was OK - softish plastic, some flash but not too > bad. Weren't there a few different H-B C.1's? I have the Eagles-Talon > vacuform kit - also a decent vac but it has no resin or metal - you have to > find your own wheels, propeller, engine etc. or make them from the vac. > Maybe a combination of the MGD kit and the vac is possible. You have hit it directly on the head about the MBR. I'm not sure about all the C.I's available, but I believe you're correct about the Eagles Talon one. > Where'd you find out about this kit? Direct from MGD. They sent us a request (us being the VVS site) to link to their site, which I have done. MGD is also the group that distributes those wonderful, awesome and suberb Colibri and Komintern off topic ground vehicles. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:42:01 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New 1/72nd kit Message-ID: <3A40B729.4342FF12@bg.am.lodz.pl> Matt Bittner napisał(a): > Direct from MGD. They sent us a request (us being the VVS site) to > link to their site, which I have done. > > MGD is also the group that distributes those wonderful, awesome and > suberb Colibri and Komintern off topic ground vehicles. > > Matt Bittner Matt, could you send that link? TIA -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:44:16 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New 1/72nd kit Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" > > Where'd you find out about this kit? > >Direct from MGD. They sent us a request (us being the VVS site) to >link to their site, which I have done. > >MGD is also the group that distributes those wonderful, awesome and >suberb Colibri and Komintern off topic ground vehicles. Matt: The link to MGD on the VVS site is busted (don't know the technical term:) ). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2907 **********************