WWI Digest 2898 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Balloon Scale by Todd Hayes 2) Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 by "Michael Kendix" 3) Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 by Todd Hayes 4) RE: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 by "Ray Boorman" 5) RE: My opinions by "Ray Boorman" 6) HR Models by Todd Hayes 7) RE: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 8) Re: My opinions by Zulis@aol.com 9) TAPS (the story behind the song) by REwing@aol.com 10) RE: More on (moron?) Goering's caucasian bird by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 11) Re: Local Hobby Shop by pugs99@att.net 12) Re: More on (moron?) Goering's caucasian bird by "DAVID BURKE" 13) TAPS (the story behind the song) by cfrieden@calpoly.edu 14) Re: Hello by Witold Kozakiewicz 15) : Re: Hello by "Paul E. Thompson" 16) mercedes 260hp by "Bucky" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:52:33 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Balloon Scale Message-ID: <20001215035233.92155.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> I'd like to see a 1:48 observation balloon. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:54:15 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 Message-ID: >From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com > ><< > HR Models 1/48 > > 4802- Martinsyde S.1 Lire 55.000 >> > >Not to seem entirely dense, but who/what is HR Models and what else >might >they have done I'd be aware of?? Tom: You've been off in 1/48th la la land - they also do a PV7 (Port Victoria 7 - Grain Kitten) in that scale. Most of their stuff is in 1/72nd scale, see http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp/inshop/shop.asp on Vamp Models' page. Michael _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:02:12 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 Message-ID: <20001215040212.11726.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Michael, I didn't want to say that but, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!! Sorry Tom. It's funny that someone who obviously knows so much about models completely missed HR Models. Todd --- Michael Kendix wrote: > >From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com > > > ><< > HR Models 1/48 > > > 4802- Martinsyde S.1 Lire > 55.000 >> > > > >Not to seem entirely dense, but who/what is HR > Models and what else >might > >they have done I'd be aware of?? > > Tom: > > You've been off in 1/48th la la land - they also do > a PV7 (Port Victoria 7 > - Grain Kitten) in that scale. Most of their stuff > is in 1/72nd scale, see > > http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp/inshop/shop.asp > > on Vamp Models' page. > > Michael > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:17:25 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 Message-ID: No But Brazils colours are green and yellow!!! -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Limon3 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 7:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 Hola pibe. Maradona was maravilloso, pero Pele el mejor de todos. Did either of them have a green or yellow cowl :-} BTW, have you gotten any of the MisterKit OT paints? I want to order some, but want to hear from someone who has used them. I'll trade some of my Central Valley CA fog for your Argentina sunshine right now. It's dreary and miserable here. Hasta pronto, Gabe -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:31 AM Subject: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 >Hey I received this from Misterkit a moment ago: >D. >just a satisfied customer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mister Kit info > >Lista dei nuovi arrivi al >15/12/00 > >BROPLAN 1/72 >Caproni Ca 111 Lire 80.000 > >EAGLE STRIKE Decals 1/72 >72035- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color upper Lire 20.000 >72036- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color lower Lire 20.000 >72037- German Lozenge Camo. Strips Lire 20.000 > >EAGLE STRIKE Decals 1/48 >48011- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color upper Lire 20.000 >48012- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color lower Lire 20.000 >48013- German Lozenge Camo. Strips Lire 20.000 > > >HR Models 1/48 >4802- Martinsyde S.1 Lire 55.000 > >HR Models 1/72 >7267- Fokker A- III Lire 35.000 > >OMEGA 1/72 >72055- Fokker M-9 Lire 50.000 > >PART FOTOINCISIONI 1/72 >72129- Fokker E. IV Lire 18.000 >72130- Pfalz E. IV Lire 18.000 >72135- Sikorsky S. XIV Lire 18.000 > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:24:24 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: My opinions Message-ID: Another model that is a great first build is Rodans Fokker DVIII this one is a little gem. Virtually no rigging in fact you can model it with no rigging and it wouldnt look wrong. Its vey inexpensive and there are lots of references for the DVIII. As to Airbrushes Aztec/testors is a really good reasonably priced airbrush. I've had mine 6 years and its working as well now as the day I bought it. Once you have master this brush you can go to the more expensive brushes if you choose. Apart from that stick with Matt's choices and stay away from those pale wimpy light sided types in 1/48th ;) Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Matt Bittner Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 5:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: My opinions Yea, I know. Just when you thought it was safe. I would recommend the Eduard Fokker Dr.I as your first build. Better than the Roden and you won't have to fight with the ailerons. Minimal rigging, as has already been mentioned. I would not recommend the Revell Fokker D.VII just because it's aging badly and requires some work to make it right. If you don't mind rigging, than the Eduard Albatros D.V is your best bet. As far as the manufacturers go, the best is - by far - Eduard. Second I would rank Pegasus, just because they tend to be accurate and the struts they do include tend to work. Third would be Roden - not Toko. The Roden releases thus far have improved on Toko, which was definitely needed. Then would follow Revell and then Toko. About airbrushes, it also depends on how much you want to spend. The two "high end" brands - Iwata and Thayer & Chandler - tend to cost more than Badger and Paasche. I personally have three Thayer & Chandlers - yes, I do like them, why do you ask? And good for you building in The One True and Only Scale. That other scale people tend to gravite to is Balloon and those with no sense of humor. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:21:18 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: HR Models Message-ID: <20001215042118.56716.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> HR Models is my 1:48 wish list, plus some Sram! TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:49:46 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 Message-ID: Tom wanted to know: "Not to seem entirely dense, but who/what is HR Models and what else might they have done I'd be aware of?? Tom C" HR is a relative latecomer in the Czech resin business, the guy behind being Jan Hora from Prague. Did a lot of so-so Proper Scale OT subjects, some early (like the Aviatik D I) showing remarkable similarities to either some vacs or some short run injection stuff from Aeroclub etc. who were definitely the originals. Does in 72: Early Albatros (D I, D II in at least 3 different versions) Aviatik D I, D II Fokker D II, D III (I think Bob had a look on the last one in the Dec Internet Modeler) Hanriot HD I Morane H, G, L , N Nieuport 11, 12, 16, 24, 24bis, 27 Phoenix C I, D I, D II Pfalz A I, E I, E II, E III, E IV, E V, E VI Different BE 2/12´s as well as some other stuff. His newer models are "more original" in their choice and somewhat better from the moulding; He recently turned to 48 as well (nobody´s perfect) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:41:09 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My opinions Message-ID: In a message dated 00-12-14 23:30:58 EST, you write: << Another model that is a great first build is Rodans Fokker DVIII this one is a little gem. Virtually no rigging in fact you can model it with no rigging and it wouldnt look wrong. Its vey inexpensive and there are lots of references for the DVIII. >> l really liked this little kit - but getting that big wing correctly positioned may not be something l would want to do on my first wwi model. Just a thought. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:52:48 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: TAPS (the story behind the song) Message-ID: --part1_e1.da3592c.276afda0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, The following was sent to me by a friend. I had never heard this story before and was curious if anyone else had either. Sometimes these kinds of e-mails tend to be completely false but gain a whole life of their own via the Internet. Can anyone confirm or disclaim this story? Interesting if true. -Rick- > Subject: TAPS (the story behind the song) > > We have all heard the haunting melody of "Taps." It's the song that gives us > that lump in our throats and usually tears in our eyes. But do you know the > story behind the song? > > If not, I think you will be pleased to find out about its humble beginnings. > Reportedly, it all began in 1862 during the Civil War, when Union Army > Captain Robert Elliscombe was with his men near Harrison's Landing, > Virginia. > The Confederate Army was on the other side of the narrow strip of land. > During the night, Captain Ellisombe heard the moans of a soldier who was > severely wounded on the field. Not knowing if it was a Union or Confederate > soldier, the Captain decided to risk his life and bring the stricken man > back for medical attention. > > Crawling on his stomach through the gunfire, the Captain reached the > stricken soldier and began pulling him toward the encampment. When the > Captain finally reached his own lines, he discovered it was actually a > Confederate soldier, but the soldier was dead. The Captain lit a lantern and > suddenly caught his breath and went numb with shock. In the dim light he saw > the face of the soldier. It was his own son. > > The boy had been studying music in the South when the war broke out. Without > telling his father, the boy enlisted in the Confederate Army. > > The following morning, heartbroken, the father asked permission to give his > son a full military burial despite his enemy status. > > His request was only partially granted. The Captain had asked if he could > have a group of Army band members play a funeral dirge for his son at the > funeral. The request was denied since the soldier was a Confederate. But out > of respect for the father, they did say they could give him one musician. > The Captain chose a bugler. He asked the bugler to play series of musical > notes he had found on a piece of paper in the pocket of the dead youth's > uniform. This wish was granted. > > The haunting melody, which we now know as "Taps" used at military funerals, > was born. > > Day is done > Gone the sun > From the lakes > From the hills > From the sky > > All is well, > safely rest. > God is nigh. > > Fading light > Dims the sight > And a star > Gems the sky, > Gleaning bright > > From afar, > Drawing nigh, > Falls the night. > > Thanks and praise, > For our days, > Neath the sun, > Neath the stars, > Neath the sky, > > As we go, > This we know, > God is nigh. > > I, too, have felt the chills while listening to "Taps" but I have never seen > all the words to the song until now. I didn't even know there was more than > one verse. I also never knew the story behind the song and I didn't know > --part1_e1.da3592c.276afda0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     Hello everyone,
    The following was sent to me by a friend.  I had never heard this story
before and was curious if anyone else had either.  Sometimes these kinds of
e-mails tend to be completely false but gain a whole life of their own via
the Internet.  Can anyone confirm or disclaim this story?  Interesting if
true.
-Rick-


Subject: TAPS (the story behind the song)

We have all heard the haunting melody of "Taps." It's the song that gives us
that lump in our throats and usually tears in our eyes. But do you know the
story behind the song?

If not, I think you will be pleased to find out about its humble beginnings.
Reportedly, it all began in 1862 during the Civil War, when Union Army
Captain Robert Elliscombe was with his men near Harrison's Landing,
Virginia.
The Confederate Army was on the other side of the narrow strip of land.
During the night, Captain Ellisombe heard the moans of a soldier who was
severely wounded on the field. Not knowing if it was a Union or Confederate
soldier, the Captain decided to risk his life and bring the stricken man
back for medical attention.

Crawling on his stomach through the gunfire, the Captain reached the
stricken soldier and began pulling him toward the encampment. When the
Captain finally reached his own lines, he discovered it was actually a
Confederate soldier, but the soldier was dead. The Captain lit a lantern and
suddenly caught his breath and went numb with shock. In the dim light he saw
the face of the soldier. It was his own son.

The boy had been studying music in the South when the war broke out. Without
telling his father, the boy enlisted in the Confederate Army.

The following morning, heartbroken, the father asked permission to give his
son a full military burial despite his enemy status.

His request was only partially granted. The Captain had asked if he could
have a group of Army band members play a funeral dirge for his son at the
funeral. The request was denied since the soldier was a Confederate. But out
of respect for the father, they did say they could give him one musician.
The Captain chose a bugler. He asked the bugler to play series of musical
notes he had found on a piece of paper in the pocket of the dead youth's
uniform. This wish was granted.

The haunting melody, which we now know as "Taps" used at military funerals,
was born.

  Day is done
  Gone the sun
  From the lakes
  From the hills
  From the sky

  All is well,
  safely rest.
  God is nigh.

  Fading light
  Dims the sight
  And a star
  Gems the sky,
  Gleaning bright

  From afar,
  Drawing nigh,
  Falls the night.

  Thanks and praise,
  For our days,
  Neath the sun,
  Neath the stars,
  Neath the sky,

  As we go,
  This we know,
  God is nigh.

I, too, have felt the chills while listening to "Taps" but I have never seen
all the words to the song until now. I didn't even know there was more than
one verse. I also never knew the story behind the song and I didn't know
if you had either so I thought I'd pass it along.

 --part1_e1.da3592c.276afda0_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:18:22 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: More on (moron?) Goering's caucasian bird Message-ID: David, >Hi Fellow, uh, well, whatever we all are, >Last question for Goering's D.VII - were there crosses on the wings, or >fuselage/tail only? >DB 5125/18 clearly had UNDERWING crosses - visible in the one 3/4 front view. Given all the stencils and the underwing crosses, I would say it´s a save bet it also had them on the upper wing. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:10:44 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Local Hobby Shop Message-ID: <20001215051046.EJPM25510.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Mike Kendix writes>>I question the premise; namely, supporting your local hobby shop. if they don't provide something that you want, I see no reason to do so. I shop by a combination of price, service, availability, atmosphere etc. << Absolute agreement here. You wouldn't support your local hardware store if they treated you as if they were doing you a favor being in business. Why should one support a hobby shop if they don't cater to ones needs. I see absolutely no reason to support a model shop just because it is a model shop. I only go to the one closest to me in an absolute pinch. They don't cater to my needs, why should I fill their register..... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:47:24 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: More on (moron?) Goering's caucasian bird Message-ID: <002401c0665a$81dfee00$38e879a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Häusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:12 PM Subject: RE: More on (moron?) Goering's caucasian bird > David, > > >Hi Fellow, uh, well, whatever we all are, > >Last question for Goering's D.VII - were there crosses on the wings, or > >fuselage/tail only? > >DB > > 5125/18 clearly had UNDERWING crosses - visible in the one 3/4 front view. > Given all the stencils and the underwing crosses, I would say it´s a save > bet it also had them on the upper wing. > > Volker > Thanks Volker! Once again, AMS strikes! I added valve springs, full ignition, etc. to the engine. It disappears into the model. I have added trigger cables, control cables, and some instrument panel detail, and away it disappears into the model. Now, to figure out how to neglect the exterior detail... DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:51:00 -0800 From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu Subject: TAPS (the story behind the song) Message-ID: Hello all, A while back a friend forwarded me a rather long message on the origin of Taps. This story is mentioned, but the author (a USAF Sgt.) states that there is no evidence that it is true. He credits Northern General Daniel Adams Butterfield with revising an existing bugle call into the call now known as Taps. The author also states that the first use of Taps in a funeral ceremony was at the burial of a cannoneer killed during the Peninsular Campaign in Virginia. Taps was played because it was thought that the traditional three volleys might renew the fighting. It was adopted as an official call after the war. The author appears to have done a good job of researching the subject. If anyone wants a copy of the message let me know off list and I will forward it to you. HTH, Chris Friedenbach > Hello everyone, > The following was sent to me by a friend. I had never heard this story > before and was curious if anyone else had either. Sometimes these kinds of > e-mails tend to be completely false but gain a whole life of their own via > the Internet. Can anyone confirm or disclaim this story? Interesting if > true. > -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:08:57 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hello Message-ID: <3A39D199.4FC541F4@bg.am.lodz.pl> Hi, another greetings from Poland. I think you have got answers for most of your questions, I could add one more link to modeling techniques- it is rec.models.scale FAQ. Many interesting tips http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/models/rms_tips/rmsfaq.1.html And about companies, try to check their webpages. > Roden (ex Toko) http://www.rodenplant.com/ Toko has divided into Roden and Eastern Experes, they all has the same level. I have Toko Strutter looks very good, but I've heard that Flashback(Eduard) is better. > MPM http://www.mpm.cz/ > Eduard http://www.eduard.com/ - the best OT company IMO > Academy http://www.academy.co.kr/maine.htm > Revell http://www.revell.de/ and http://www.revell-monogram.com/ > Pegasus http://www.pegasusmodels.com/ very interesting models but needs some work and not cheap. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:05:37 +0100 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: : Re: Hello Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001215090037.00ae0230@pop.xs4all.nl> Rob, If you want the joy of 2 sets of wings but no hassle with twiggy interplane struts, why not grab a Heller (ex-Airfix) Roland CII? It's an old kit but fairly accurate, very unusual in appearance, has minimal rigging, and comes with a couple of really neat crew members. The parts fit quite well and if you go with the supplied markings the colour scheme is dead simple. There's no interior to speak of but you can either regard that as a challenge or install the crew. Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:01:31 +0900 From: "Bucky" To: Subject: mercedes 260hp Message-ID: <000801c06675$9eda7e60$1c4207d3@compaqcomputer> Hi y'all. Sorry it's been a while, but I've been busy carving male molds, heating plastic sheet over an electric stove and alternately cursing and whooping in delight. Sometimes all at once. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone out there has some schematic files (or would be able to do a scan or two of some) of the Mercedes 260hp used on German bombers such as AEG G.IV, Gotha, etc. I would greatly appreciate it if this "special someone" could send same to me off-list. You would be able to have the satisfaction of being able to help me with a worthy project -- a scratch 1/48 Friedrichshafen G.IIIa (Rob. K knows I've been fantasizing about this for years now and I'm just now finally getting off my keister to start it). Danke in advance, Bucky p.s. A cool scan of some night lozenge would also be greatly appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:54 PM Subject: WWI digest 2897 > WWI Digest 2897 > > Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? > by "Brad & Merville" > 2) RE: 'Twiggy' Goering's Fokker > by "Lance Krieg" > 3) Re: WW1 Tunnels > by "Lance Krieg" > 4) Re: WW1 Tunnels > by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" > 5) Re: Local hobby shops > by Todd Hayes > 6) Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? > by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" > 7) Re: Local hobby shops > by Todd Hayes > 8) "Above Flander's Fields" > by Todd Hayes > 9) Re: New additions > by Morg17ms@aol.com > 10) Hello > by R and S > 11) Re: 'Twiggy' Goering's Fokker > by "DAVID BURKE" > 12) Re: Hello > by "Brad & Merville" > 13) RE: Hello > by "Tomasz Gronczewski" > 14) Red Baron CD > by "Robert Fabris" > 15) Re: Hello > by Zulis@aol.com > 16) RE: Hello > by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" > 17) RE: Hello > by "Paul Schwartzkopf" > 18) Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 > by Todd Hayes > 19) My opinions > by "Matt Bittner" > 20) Now, my opinon/ was : My [his]opinions > by "Michael Kendix" > 21) Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 > by TomTheAeronut@aol.com > 22) WW1 profile pubs on ebay > by "Bob Pearson" > 23) Re: Hello > by "DAVID BURKE" > 24) Man, I needed that. > by "DAVID BURKE" > 25) More on (moron?) Goering's caucasian bird > by "DAVID BURKE" > 26) Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 > by "Limon3" > 27) Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 > by Todd Hayes > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:11:27 -0500 > From: "Brad & Merville" > To: > Subject: Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? > Message-ID: <002401c06612$6cf1bc00$87885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> > > Oh Oh! Here we go! .... What scale? > > Brad > I've got dibs on the ball! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? > > > >Ray: > >>I wonder who won the soccer match at > >> christmas in 1914.......... > > > >This can be of some help (and to bring back us to topic) > >http://www.worldwar1.com/heritage/xmast.htm > >Remember the idea of a group project for a diorama of the Xmas footbal > >match? Let's do it! > >D. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:48:53 -0600 > From: "Lance Krieg" > To: > Subject: RE: 'Twiggy' Goering's Fokker > Message-ID: > > DB has already been informed that the black ovals on the wing tips are trestle points, and reflect the spar locations. > > I suspect that the "spinner" was probably a quick-release hub that came into use (by both sides, IIRC) later in the war. As a form of tool, and not an aerodynamic fitting, I would guess it to be natural metal. > > A/G, as well as the Fokker Anthologies, offer detail explanations of the D.VII component markings. > > HTH > > Lance > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:51:48 -0600 > From: "Lance Krieg" > To: > Subject: Re: WW1 Tunnels > Message-ID: > > Brad and Shane have extolled the literary virtues of "Bird Song", and the many vivid descriptions of tunnel warfare (and the Somme offensive, too). > > The author is Sebastian Faulk. > > Lance > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:59:57 -0000 > From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" > To: > Subject: Re: WW1 Tunnels > Message-ID: <019801c06621$95abebc0$5cae37d4@pc1> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brad & Merville > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: WW1 Tunnels > > > > Also, you might like 'Bird Song' (I think that's the title, by somebody or > > other, I gave the book to my nephew and can't recall the name). > > Sebastian Faulks, it is. > > It's a > > fabulous novel with very graphic depictions of the horrors of tunnel > warfare > > in WW1. > > Indeed. > > > > Brad > > > > Lyn MacDonald's "They called it Passchendaele" also has some pretty good > reading on this subject > > Pedro > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:56:12 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Local hobby shops > Message-ID: <20001214225612.72461.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> > > Mark, > > The guy who used to run my local shop would bend over > backwards to get his customers what they wanted. He > was always pleasant and easy to get along with. And he > had two gorgeous daughters who worked at the store > occassionally. Bonus. > > Todd > --- Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > > Like most I agree with the premise. > > I have a great relationship with my local store. > > It's a crafts shop that > > only recently branched out into models. I visit > > regularly chatting with > > them, making suggestions and having my brains picked > > about what kind of > > stuff they should get in. . .and so far they haven't > > blacklisted me so > > things must be going okay. > > > > They are keen, eager to please, willing to hold on > > to kits for ages until > > my wallet can stretch to the price and will order > > anything I like. > > Orders are sent and are back within two weeks which > > is a record as far as > > I'm concerned. > > But I make no bones about it to them and they seem > > to appreciate where I'm > > coming from, I'm an equal opportunity buyer: I mail > > order, Ebay, and even > > go to THE OTHER model store in town - tho it's run > > by a Remote Control bloc > > and plastic is an expensive afterthought. > > And we get a 10 per cnt IPMS discount. > > > > I think these people have hit upon the key to > > working well with their > > customers - if they can get it they will, as fast > > and relatively cheaply as > > they can. . .if they can't they say so. They don't > > just fob you off with > > the old 'it's on back order' line. And above all if > > they can't get it > > they'll makje suggestions as to where you might be > > able to find it. > > Nice to know real customer service is alive and > > well. > > > > MVJ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:05:48 -0000 > From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" > To: > Subject: Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? > Message-ID: <01ae01c06622$66609220$5cae37d4@pc1> > > Well, > > Portugal did fly SPADS > > and let me just add Eusebio not as a celebrated pilot but as one of the best > ever football (real footbal not that cross polinisation between rugby and > hide and seek you americans play ;-)) players in the universe. I don't care > much (at all) about football, but he was pure magic. > > Pedro > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dfernet0 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 4:24 PM > Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? > > > > Neil! > > > I think Maradona (in his best moments) was greater than Pele, I've > > > never seen such beautiful football. > > > > I can't say. It's like comparing chocolate or vanilla ice cream: wich is > > best? :-) > > > > >OTOH Pele lasted longer. > > > > We're being fed on Maradona since the juvenile world cup of 1980, and > later > > he started to play in a small team. Besides, in the opening of Argentina > 78 > > there was during the opening ceremony of a scrawny little kid doing > > "aerobatics" (it was amaazing) with a football ball. He was little Diego > as > > a teenager, he still lived in a very poor neighborhood. > > > > > OT question, Did Argentina ever fly Spads? > > > > >From the top of my head I would say yes. But I can't say if they were > VIIs > > or XIIIs until I get to my library. We used an assortment of surplus > > aircraft since 1919, but the mainstay of the Argentina Air Force were > > british and italian planes. IIRC, the paint scheme of the Spads were a > very > > dull gray overall with argie cockades, nothing too garish. On the SVAs, > CDL > > wings and varnished fuselages, argie cockades. At least there were 2 > > Nieuport 28s, given for free to Vicente Almonacid to try the Andes > crossing. > > Later Juan Matienzo crashed to smithereens against the mountains in an ill > > fated flight and the remains of such mishap are currently being displayed > at > > the Air Force Museum in Buenos Aires. That plane was entirely painted in > > dark cherry red with argie cockades. > > D, > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:07:13 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Local hobby shops > Message-ID: <20001214230713.73791.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> > > Tom, > > Under the old management, that what a customer could > expect. Bob (a Texan now- their gain, our loss) was > friendly, smoked a great smelling pipe, got you what > you wanted if possible, and charged a reasonable > price. He was a railroad man personally, but he was > businessman enough to realize that he had other > customers to satisfy. He actually knew something > about OT subjects. > > Todd > --- TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/14/00 2:58:43 PM EST, > > mkendix@hotmail.com writes: > > > > << I question the premise; namely, supporting your > > local hobby shop. if they > > don't provide something that you want, I see no > > reason to do so. I shop by a > > combination of price, service, availability, > > atmosphere etc. Sure, I take > > into account that I like the guy or whatever but if > > he doesn't have what I > > want, I won't bother. Nothing personal - it's > > business. The best vendors, > > either on the web or not, are those that supply > > what you want at a decent > > price and give good service. Anything less and > > they won't survive as such. > > >> > > > > Complete and total agreement here with this. > > > > TC > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:16:15 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: "Above Flander's Fields" > Message-ID: <20001214231615.74859.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> > > Would anyone who has this book give an opinion about > its overall quality? I've always had alot of interest > in the Belgian air effort. I'd love to see some good > decals covering Belgian a/c. I have the Blue Rider > sheet in 1:48 (Nieuport 11, 16). > > TH > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:26:17 EST > From: Morg17ms@aol.com > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: New additions > Message-ID: <7d.e395fb4.276ab119@aol.com> > > The SPAD was the first WWI a/c that I had done (the MoS was second & the > Fokker third) so it looks alot better in ity bitty photos than in real life. > I'll ask Graham Hunter if I can borrow his digital camera again, and get a > few shots of it into the gallery. > > Tom Morgan > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:37:40 -0500 > From: R and S > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Hello > Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001214183740.007d1530@pop-server.tampabay.rr.com> > > Hello and Seasons Greatings! > My name is Rob and I'm From Tampa, FL. I am new to the list and WW1 > modeling. I am in utter amazement of the knowledge and the models. I have > been lurking, reading the posts for a few days now and have some Newbie > questions for ya'll.......that is if you don't mind!! First, is a kit > question: > What kit (in 1/72 scale) do you recommend for the person new not only to > WW1, but plastic models in general? I built quite a few of models, but > none as "serious" attempts. Most as a kid before I got involved in flying > models. > Second: > Is there a web site that tells the basic techniques of modeling, i.e., dry > brushing, shading, weathering, decaling, etc? > Third: > Comments on the following manufactures and their kits: > Roden/Toko/Eastern Express > MPM > Eduard > Academy > Revell > Pegasus > As you might be guessing, these are the one I have acquired so far, all in > 1/72 scale. > Fourth: > What airbrush is most used? I have had an Aztek in the past, but it > disappeared in the last move ;( > And last.........What is "OT"? Old Time, On Topic, Off Topic??? I can't > figure this one out! > Sorry for the stupid question! > Thanks for being here :) > Rob-The Newbie > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:42:02 -0600 > From: "DAVID BURKE" > To: > Subject: Re: 'Twiggy' Goering's Fokker > Message-ID: <001f01c06627$76f06e80$668aaec7@com> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lance Krieg" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 4:53 PM > Subject: RE: 'Twiggy' Goering's Fokker > > > > DB has already been informed that the black ovals on the wing tips are > trestle points, and reflect the spar locations. > > > > I suspect that the "spinner" was probably a quick-release hub that came > into use (by both sides, IIRC) later in the war. As a form of tool, and not > an aerodynamic fitting, I would guess it to be natural metal. > > > > A/G, as well as the Fokker Anthologies, offer detail explanations of the > D.VII component markings. > > > > HTH > > > > Lance > > > > Thanks, Daddy-O > > DB > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:01:31 -0500 > From: "Brad & Merville" > To: > Subject: Re: Hello > Message-ID: <004c01c0662a$2ed75f20$cf885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> > > Hi Rob > > Welcome to the list. I'll leave the bulk of your questions to others > more knowledgeable than myself. Your second guess was correct, OT is > indeed 'On Topic' and ot is 'off topic'. I'm sure the rest of your > questions will be answered to your satisfaction in short order. In the > meantime you might want to check the FAQ for some modelling tips and I > believe there are some reviews of some of the kits you mention if you search > the archives. > > Have Fun (aka Dicta Ira) > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: R and S > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 6:53 PM > Subject: Hello > > > >Hello and Seasons Greetings! > > My name is Rob and I'm From Tampa, FL. I am new to the list and WW1 > >modeling. I am in utter amazement of the knowledge and the models. I have > >been lurking, reading the posts for a few days now and have some Newbie > >questions for ya'll.......that is if you don't mind!! First, is a kit > >question: > >What kit (in 1/72 scale) do you recommend for the person new not only to > >WW1, but plastic models in general? I built quite a few of models, but > >none as "serious" attempts. Most as a kid before I got involved in flying > >models. > >Second: > > Is there a web site that tells the basic techniques of modeling, i.e., dry > >brushing, shading, weathering, decaling, etc? > >Third: > >Comments on the following manufactures and their kits: > >Roden/Toko/Eastern Express > >MPM > >Eduard > >Academy > >Revell > >Pegasus > >As you might be guessing, these are the one I have acquired so far, all in > >1/72 scale. > >Fourth: > > What airbrush is most used? I have had an Aztek in the past, but it > >disappeared in the last move ;( > >And last.........What is "OT"? Old Time, On Topic, Off Topic??? I can't > >figure this one out! > >Sorry for the stupid question! > >Thanks for being here :) > >Rob-The Newbie > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:01:48 +0100 > From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" > To: > Subject: RE: Hello > Message-ID: > > Hello Rob, > > Greetings from Poland. Welcome to this most friendly list I have ever > subscribed. > > > First, is a kit > > question: > > What kit (in 1/72 scale) > > Not my scale but Eduard Fokker Dr.I belongs to the best 1/72 kits I have > ever seen. Easy construction, crisp details, and almost no rigging. > > > Second: > > Is there a web site that tells the basic techniques of modeling, i.e., dry > > brushing, shading, weathering, decaling, etc? > > Tony Matelliano's mother of all link pages should guide you across the > modeling webpages: > http://www.buffnet.net/~tonym/models.htm > > Also you can watch > rec.models.scale newsgroup > > > Third: > > Comments on the following manufactures and their kits: > > I think that Eduard is the best, but latest Roden/Toko stuff is not bad as > well. Some of old Revell kits are acceptable too, Academy ww1 efforts are > ridiculous. Don't know much about Pegasus. > > > Fourth: > > What airbrush is most used? > > I have been using Testors Professional for more than six years and I am > happy of it (later Testors was re-labeled Aztek) > > > And last.........What is "OT"? Old Time, On Topic, Off Topic??? I can't > > figure this one out! > > OT = On Topic - ww1 subject > ot = off topic - other subjects > > Cheers > > Tomasz > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:36:40 -0800 > From: "Robert Fabris" > To: > Subject: Red Baron CD > Message-ID: <000701c0662f$196ddba0$b53a480c@garage> > > Selling new CD of the program "Red Baron", by Sierra On-Line. Has 33 > different British and German aircraft flight simulations. 40 missions > possible - including dogfights and zepp attacks. 11. postpaid, contact > offline. Bob > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:35:01 EST > From: Zulis@aol.com > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Hello > Message-ID: > > Rob writes: > > << What kit (in 1/72 scale) do you recommend for the person new not only to > WW1, but plastic models in general? I built quite a few of models, but > none as "serious" attempts. Most as a kid before I got involved in flying > models. >> > > Welcome to the list! > > l would suggest two models as being very suitable for first attempts in 1/72. > The Revell Fokker D.VII which fits together very nicely and doesnt really > require any serious rigging. On the other hand, if a little basic rigging > does not deter you, the Eduard Albatros D.V is a gem - the fit is perfect, it > looks 'right' when completed, and is simply a joy to make (just dont put the > engine in backwards, as l did!). > > As for your other questions - well, some of those are a bit broad-reaching. > For the reviews of the various manufacturers, l would suggest you just > wander around in the archives - most subject lines will have the > manufacturer's name in them and you can look up Roden, Pegasus or whoever > interests you. > > Regards, > > Dave Zulis > Toronto, Canada > > ps - thank you to all the list members who commented or sent me little items > about gas masks and other CA fume protection. l thank you, my mother > thanks you, and my nose thanks you... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:46:04 -0800 > From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" > To: > Subject: RE: Hello > Message-ID: > > Welcome to the list! I'm sure you're going to get a lot of answers on easy > first kits, but I'll toss in my 2 cents worth. First choice would be either > the Eduard or Roden Fokker Dr.I, as those don't have a lot of rigging to > worry about (a Fokker D.VII would be another good choice, just to whet your > appetite). For those kits that require a bit of rigging, either the Eduard > Albatros D.V or the Mac (or Roden) Pfalz D.III/IIIa kits would be good > choices. > > As for airbrushes, I know of people using Thayer & Chandler, Iwata, and > Paasche brushes and I've tried all of those brands myself. I personally use > a Thayer & Chandler, but I could easily move to either Iwata or Paasche. > The big question is whether you want to use a double-action brush or a > single-action brush, and that's mostly a matter of taste. I've gotten the > same results with an ancient Paasche F1 single-action airbrush that I have > with my current double-action Thayer & Chandler. > > For online sources on general modeling, try Internet Modeler > (http://www.internetmodeler.com). Not that I'm biased or anything.... :-) > > Sincerely, > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Publisher/Illustrator > Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:53:29 -0600 > From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" > To: > Subject: RE: Hello > Message-ID: > > Hi Rob, > > >>What kit (in 1/72 scale) do you recommend for the person new not only to > >>WW1, but plastic models in general? > > Well, I was going to suggest the Revell Fokker D.VII, but Dave beat me to > it! That just goes to show you that great minds think alike. Simple kit, > no rigging, plus many color schemes available. If you are really energetic, > check out some of the Roseplane resin upgrade kits by Rosemont Hobbies for > it: http://www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/ > > >>As you might be guessing, these are the one I have acquired so far, all in > >>1/72 scale. > > Beware the evil of the dark side, young Master Skywalker. The true, good > side of the force lies within 1/48 scale, although that's not what Darth > Bittner will say... ;-) > > I haven't run across any Internet sites on model techniques specifically, > but a good place to start looking for links might be the IPMS/USA homepage: > http://www.ipmsusa.org/ > or Internet Modeler: http://www.internetmodeler.com > > Welcome to the list. Oh, and "Beep Beep" fellow rr.com! > > Paul > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:17:39 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 > Message-ID: <20001215011739.86881.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> > > I've heard that Eagle Strike is some good stuff. Yes, > a 1:48 Martinsyde!! > > Todd > > > --- dfernet0 wrote: > > Hey I received this from Misterkit a moment ago: > > D. > > just a satisfied customer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mister Kit info > > > > Lista dei nuovi arrivi al > > 15/12/00 > > > > BROPLAN 1/72 > > Caproni Ca 111 Lire 80.000 > > > > EAGLE STRIKE Decals 1/72 > > 72035- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color upper Lire > > 20.000 > > 72036- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color lower Lire > > 20.000 > > 72037- German Lozenge Camo. Strips Lire > > 20.000 > > > > EAGLE STRIKE Decals 1/48 > > 48011- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color upper Lire > > 20.000 > > 48012- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color lower Lire > > 20.000 > > 48013- German Lozenge Camo. Strips Lire > > 20.000 > > > > > > HR Models 1/48 > > 4802- Martinsyde S.1 Lire 55.000 > > > > HR Models 1/72 > > 7267- Fokker A- III Lire 35.000 > > > > OMEGA 1/72 > > 72055- Fokker M-9 Lire > > 50.000 > > > > PART FOTOINCISIONI 1/72 > > 72129- Fokker E. IV Lire 18.000 > > 72130- Pfalz E. IV Lire > > 18.000 > > 72135- Sikorsky S. XIV Lire 18.000 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:37:26 -0600 > From: "Matt Bittner" > To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" > Subject: My opinions > Message-ID: <200012150137.RAA21520@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> > > Yea, I know. Just when you thought it was safe. > > I would recommend the Eduard Fokker Dr.I as your first build. Better > than the Roden and you won't have to fight with the ailerons. Minimal > rigging, as has already been mentioned. I would not recommend the > Revell Fokker D.VII just because it's aging badly and requires some > work to make it right. If you don't mind rigging, than the Eduard > Albatros D.V is your best bet. > > As far as the manufacturers go, the best is - by far - Eduard. Second > I would rank Pegasus, just because they tend to be accurate and the > struts they do include tend to work. Third would be Roden - not Toko. > The Roden releases thus far have improved on Toko, which was definitely > needed. Then would follow Revell and then Toko. > > About airbrushes, it also depends on how much you want to spend. The > two "high end" brands - Iwata and Thayer & Chandler - tend to cost more > than Badger and Paasche. I personally have three Thayer & Chandlers - > yes, I do like them, why do you ask? > > And good for you building in The One True and Only Scale. That other > scale people tend to gravite to is Balloon and those with no sense of > humor. :-) > > > Matt Bittner > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 02:38:25 > From: "Michael Kendix" > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Now, my opinon/ was : My [his]opinions > Message-ID: > > >From: "Matt Bittner" > > > >I would recommend the Eduard Fokker Dr.I as your first build. > > >I would not recommend the Revell Fokker D.VII just because it's aging > > >badly and requires some work to make it right. > > I would not recommend a triplane as a first kit, lack of rigging not > withstanding. I agree about the D.VII being a little inaccurate but these > are minor and the kit is really straightforward to build. Furthermore, the > D.VII has a large number of painting options available, including > non-lozenge, thus, in this regard it is similar to the Dr.1. > > My primary recommendation is to build what you like the best. > > Michael > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:59:03 EST > From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 > Message-ID: <90.d821861.276ae2f7@aol.com> > > In a message dated 12/14/00 9:55:46 PM EST, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: > > << > HR Models 1/48 > > 4802- Martinsyde S.1 Lire 55.000 >> > > Not to seem entirely dense, but who/what is HR Models and what else might > they have done I'd be aware of?? > > Tom C > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:02:59 -0800 > From: "Bob Pearson" > To: ww1 mailing list > Subject: WW1 profile pubs on ebay > Message-ID: <200012150426.UAA03375@mail.rapidnet.net> > > title says it all > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=522170566 > > Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:21:42 -0600 > From: "DAVID BURKE" > To: > Subject: Re: Hello > Message-ID: <004b01c06646$4dd62e80$668aaec7@com> > > Hi Rob! > > Another Floridian List member!- keep this up and my overall opinion of > your state will improve! ;-) > > First off, why bother with 1/72? 1/48 is MUCH better for your eyesight > and nerves! > > OT is 'On Topic' and ot is 'off-topic'. > > I have 5 airbrushes and I would say the major differences in them (other > than the turbo) is nil. > > Welcome to Bedlam! > > > DB > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:26:00 -0600 > From: "DAVID BURKE" > To: > Subject: Man, I needed that. > Message-ID: <005a01c06646$feb088e0$668aaec7@com> > > There was just an SRV special on PBS. Watched and listened as I detailed > out the interior of Goering's D.VII. That man had soul. Couldn't figure > out why I was having trouble seeing what I was doing. Wiped my eyes and > felt a little better. Could see too. > > > DB > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:27:45 -0600 > From: "DAVID BURKE" > To: > Subject: More on (moron?) Goering's caucasian bird > Message-ID: <005b01c06646$ff5861a0$668aaec7@com> > > Hi Fellow, uh, well, whatever we all are, > > Last question for Goering's D.VII - were there crosses on the wings, or > fuselage/tail only? > > > DB > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:53:26 -0800 > From: "Limon3" > To: > Subject: Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 > Message-ID: <003b01c0664a$9b4cf960$a7f7303f@f4w2s5> > > Hola pibe. Maradona was maravilloso, pero Pele el mejor de todos. Did > either of them have a green or yellow cowl :-} BTW, have you gotten any of > the MisterKit OT paints? I want to order some, but want to hear from > someone who has used them. I'll trade some of my Central Valley CA fog for > your Argentina sunshine right now. It's dreary and miserable here. > Hasta pronto, > Gabe > > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:31 AM > Subject: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 > > > >Hey I received this from Misterkit a moment ago: > >D. > >just a satisfied customer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mister Kit info > > > >Lista dei nuovi arrivi al > >15/12/00 > > > >BROPLAN 1/72 > >Caproni Ca 111 Lire 80.000 > > > >EAGLE STRIKE Decals 1/72 > >72035- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color upper Lire 20.000 > >72036- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color lower Lire 20.000 > >72037- German Lozenge Camo. Strips Lire 20.000 > > > >EAGLE STRIKE Decals 1/48 > >48011- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color upper Lire 20.000 > >48012- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color lower Lire 20.000 > >48013- German Lozenge Camo. Strips Lire 20.000 > > > > > >HR Models 1/48 > >4802- Martinsyde S.1 Lire 55.000 > > > >HR Models 1/72 > >7267- Fokker A- III Lire 35.000 > > > >OMEGA 1/72 > >72055- Fokker M-9 Lire 50.000 > > > >PART FOTOINCISIONI 1/72 > >72129- Fokker E. IV Lire 18.000 > >72130- Pfalz E. IV Lire 18.000 > >72135- Sikorsky S. XIV Lire 18.000 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:49:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Todd Hayes > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 > Message-ID: <20001215034959.91892.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> > > Hi Tom, > > HR models are from the Czech Republic. Imagine that. > Mostly 1:72 resin, some p.e. occassionally, decals > with lots of OT kits. Until recently they've done > only 1:72. I just got three of their first 1:48 > release, the Port Victoria PV7. Tiny!! Not bad > resin. No p.e. Really nice decals. There's a first > look review in last month's "Internet Modeller". By > Bob Pearson? If you get it from Lubos, it's only $17. > They've apparently just released their second 1:48 > kit. A Martinsyde S.1 Scout of Lt. Louis Strange and > the lewis gun fame. It's about time someone did a > Martinsyde in 1:48. Now how about a 1:48 Buzzard or > Elephant?! > > Todd > > > --- TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/14/00 9:55:46 PM EST, > > thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: > > > > << > HR Models 1/48 > > > 4802- Martinsyde S.1 Lire > > 55.000 >> > > > > Not to seem entirely dense, but who/what is HR > > Models and what else might > > they have done I'd be aware of?? > > > > Tom C > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. 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