WWI Digest 2896 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by "dfernet0" 2) RE: WW1 Tunnels by "dfernet0" 3) RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by Crawford Neil 4) RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by "dfernet0" 5) Re: WW1 Tunnels by "Brad & Merville" 6) RE: WW1 Tunnels by Shane Weier 7) Re: Eduard Perfidity by Patrick J haugh 8) RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by "Ray Boorman" 9) RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by Crawford Neil 10) Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by "Steven M.Perry" 11) RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by "Ray Boorman" 12) Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by "Dale Sebring" 13) Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 14) RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by "dfernet0" 15) Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 by "dfernet0" 16) RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by "dfernet0" 17) CSM PDMODELS DECALS by ERIC HIGHT 18) Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by David Fleming 19) RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? by "dfernet0" 20) Merry Christmas to me by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 21) Re: Local hobby shops by PBArnold54@aol.com 22) Re: Local hobby shops by "Michael Kendix" 23) Re: Local hobby shops by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 24) Re: Local hobby shops by "DAVID BURKE" 25) RE: springy things and traveling modeler by Steve Cox 26) Re: Local hobby shops by TomTheAeronut@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:29:23 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: <00f101c065c1$1bd1c640$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> CAUTION! ot rant mode: Even when my fame has trascended the boundaries of the nations and people cheer when they see me standing in a balcony ;-) my discomfort for this Maradona affair is not related with his futbolistic skills. Some days ago there was a lot of fuss here because FIFA awarded him with the title of "sportsman of the century", leaving Pelé on the second place. A lot was said about Maradona being the choice of the people and all that. Myself, I consider Diego Maradona a great footbal player, but a poor person and bad bad sportsman (our english friends must remember him of his tricks in Mexico86). He doesn't deserve awards, but he would find good use of a rehab. He's no example of what a sportsman must be. OK, soapbox mode off. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier > Obviously he's getting sick of the footballer stealing away some of his own > fame ;-) > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:34:33 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: WW1 Tunnels Message-ID: <010501c065c1$d4767380$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt: If the subject interest you, there is a book called "War Underground" (I forgot the author but if you like I can search it) describing the tunnel warfare on the western front and how it was used for observation and for laying mines. It is one of the less known aspects of the fighting in ww1. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 5:26 PM Subject: WW1 Tunnels > Saw this posted on Hyperscale. Very interesting! > > http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999255 > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:42:51 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 list (E-mail)" Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: Don't worry about it Diego, I love football and I love Maradona despite my english heritage. /Neil I consider Diego Maradona a great footbal player, but a poor person and bad bad sportsman (our english friends must remember him of his tricks in Mexico86). He doesn't deserve awards, but he would find good use of a rehab. He's no example of what a sportsman must be. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:06:09 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: <014501c065c6$3e9424c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sorry about the rant.... I got carried away. Back in 1993 I worked in a radio station when Maradona was hired to play in a local football team. I called him for an interview, but I had little hope of finding him awake, since it was just 7:30 AM... Mistake. He was well alive and kicking, since he didn't sleep at all that night! I must admit, tough, that he's a very nice guy to talk to and makes you feel like you were a buddy. His results in a team must be wonderful! D. Nieuport Nieuport nieuport! there you have. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > Don't worry about it Diego, I love football and I love Maradona despite my > english heritage. > /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:14:39 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: WW1 Tunnels Message-ID: <003e01c065c7$700be960$8f885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Also, you might like 'Bird Song' (I think that's the title, by somebody or other, I gave the book to my nephew and can't recall the name). It's a fabulous novel with very graphic depictions of the horrors of tunnel warfare in WW1. Brad -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 6:39 AM Subject: RE: WW1 Tunnels >Matt: >If the subject interest you, there is a book called "War Underground" (I >forgot the author but if you like I can search it) describing the tunnel >warfare on the western front and how it was used for observation and for >laying mines. It is one of the less known aspects of the fighting in ww1. >D. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Matt Bittner >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 5:26 PM >Subject: WW1 Tunnels > > >> Saw this posted on Hyperscale. Very interesting! >> >> http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999255 >> >> >> Matt Bittner >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:21:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WW1 Tunnels Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C710174895A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brad recommends: > Also, you might like 'Bird Song' (I think that's the title, > by somebody or > other, I gave the book to my nephew and can't recall the > name). It's a > fabulous novel with very graphic depictions of the horrors of > tunnel warfare in WW1. When I saw the first post on this subject I started racking my brain to recall the novel I read a few weeks ago - That's the one. I concur absolutely, a terrific, and terrible novel Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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This store has been > in existence since the late '40s and I'd hate to see > it go under. My father used to buy Aurora OT kits > there. I saw my first model Albatros, Nieuport, etc. > because of it. > > Todd > That would be a pity. I am spoiled for choice in Southern Md. My local hobby store started stocking Eduard and even some Blue Max and CSM OT subjects about two years ago, and can't keep them on the shelves. There must be either several other WWI modellers in the area, or a single, extraordinarily wealthy eccentric. I spoke to one of the guys who works there, who said they love the 1/48 scale and 1/72 scale models, -because they sell steadily all year round, (R/C and other flying models sell in spring and summer, trains at this time of year) -never go "out of fashion", -are fairly cheap to keep in stock, (unlike R/C which can cost hundreds/thousands of $$ to keep on the shelves) -don't require huge amounts of experienced staff to service them when they break down / crash / need a tune up And if they don't have it, Nostalgic Plastic will; only it's 90 minutes of horrible traffic away. Haya Safari Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:20:39 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: lol, but he isnt Pele.............. Something about 3 World cups for Brazil, and being a gentleman and great ambassador for his sport. Sorry Maradona = great player - short on character. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Crawford Neil Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Don't worry about it Diego, I love football and I love Maradona despite my english heritage. /Neil I consider Diego Maradona a great footbal player, but a poor person and bad bad sportsman (our english friends must remember him of his tricks in Mexico86). He doesn't deserve awards, but he would find good use of a rehab. He's no example of what a sportsman must be. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:39:47 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: I think Maradona (in his best moments) was greater than Pele, I've never seen such beautiful football. OTOH Pele lasted longer. /Neil OT content: SPAD SPAD SPAD nb: Nieuport 28 (oh that was OT too). OT question, Did Argentina ever fly Spads? -----Original Message----- From: Ray Boorman [mailto:Ray_Boorman@telus.net] Sent: den 14 december 2000 16:28 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? lol, but he isnt Pele.............. Something about 3 World cups for Brazil, and being a gentleman and great ambassador for his sport. Sorry Maradona = great player - short on character. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Crawford Neil Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Don't worry about it Diego, I love football and I love Maradona despite my english heritage. /Neil I consider Diego Maradona a great footbal player, but a poor person and bad bad sportsman (our english friends must remember him of his tricks in Mexico86). He doesn't deserve awards, but he would find good use of a rehab. He's no example of what a sportsman must be. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:54:41 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: <004701c065e6$2c023700$2af0aec7@default> > Sorry Maradona = great player - short on character. Gee, sounds like some of our NFL players. Ever hear the theory that WWI ended on 12/25/14? Only the English started a riot after the football match with the Germans and it lasted till 11/11/18. ;-) sp (Who had never heard of Maradona until this thread, but thinks Pele is great.) sb: Tom's Alb D.II vac. nu: Hit Kit Ansaldo A.1 & Toko Snipe (Bolshi Nelly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:10:32 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: Pele at his best made Brazil almost unbeatable, and that was with a less than stellar defence and quirky goalkeepers. In 1970 England were not unhappy to play to a narrow win by Brazil and that was with a very well balanced team with arguably the best defense anchored by Banks. It wasnt just Pele's play, it was the effect he had on his team. Other players who had that effect were Franz Beckenbaur and Bobby Charleton. I guess its no quirk they all played in Mexico City in 1970 for imho the three best teams of the time. Just my oppinion, oops sorry back OT I wonder who won the soccer match at christmas in 1914.......... Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Crawford Neil Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 7:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? I think Maradona (in his best moments) was greater than Pele, I've never seen such beautiful football. OTOH Pele lasted longer. /Neil OT content: SPAD SPAD SPAD nb: Nieuport 28 (oh that was OT too). OT question, Did Argentina ever fly Spads? -----Original Message----- From: Ray Boorman [mailto:Ray_Boorman@telus.net] Sent: den 14 december 2000 16:28 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? lol, but he isnt Pele.............. Something about 3 World cups for Brazil, and being a gentleman and great ambassador for his sport. Sorry Maradona = great player - short on character. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Crawford Neil Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Don't worry about it Diego, I love football and I love Maradona despite my english heritage. /Neil I consider Diego Maradona a great footbal player, but a poor person and bad bad sportsman (our english friends must remember him of his tricks in Mexico86). He doesn't deserve awards, but he would find good use of a rehab. He's no example of what a sportsman must be. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:16:17 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: <000701c065e9$31458980$7db58dd0@main> sp wrote: > (Who had never heard of Maradona until this thread, but thinks Pele is great.) Please forgive my football ignorance, but count me as one who never heard of Sr. Maradona, but Pele is very well known to me. Perhaps this has something to do with him being a good ambassador to all the world thru his sport. OT, what are the views for photos of our recreations. Is it better to use a digital camera, or an SLR & then scan. TIA, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:17:10 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: << just my oppinion, oops sorry back OT I wonder who won the soccer match at christmas in 1914.......... Ray >> thank heaven it didn't go to penalties Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:16:56 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: <000e01c065e9$485fd800$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! > I think Maradona (in his best moments) was greater than Pele, I've > never seen such beautiful football. I can't say. It's like comparing chocolate or vanilla ice cream: wich is best? :-) >OTOH Pele lasted longer. We're being fed on Maradona since the juvenile world cup of 1980, and later he started to play in a small team. Besides, in the opening of Argentina 78 there was during the opening ceremony of a scrawny little kid doing "aerobatics" (it was amaazing) with a football ball. He was little Diego as a teenager, he still lived in a very poor neighborhood. > OT question, Did Argentina ever fly Spads? >From the top of my head I would say yes. But I can't say if they were VIIs or XIIIs until I get to my library. We used an assortment of surplus aircraft since 1919, but the mainstay of the Argentina Air Force were british and italian planes. IIRC, the paint scheme of the Spads were a very dull gray overall with argie cockades, nothing too garish. On the SVAs, CDL wings and varnished fuselages, argie cockades. At least there were 2 Nieuport 28s, given for free to Vicente Almonacid to try the Andes crossing. Later Juan Matienzo crashed to smithereens against the mountains in an ill fated flight and the remains of such mishap are currently being displayed at the Air Force Museum in Buenos Aires. That plane was entirely painted in dark cherry red with argie cockades. D, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:26:44 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: Heads up from Italy FW: Aggiornamento Novita' 15/12 Message-ID: <001b01c065ea$a5f31da0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey I received this from Misterkit a moment ago: D. just a satisfied customer ----- Original Message ----- From: Mister Kit info Lista dei nuovi arrivi al 15/12/00 BROPLAN 1/72 Caproni Ca 111 Lire 80.000 EAGLE STRIKE Decals 1/72 72035- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color upper Lire 20.000 72036- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color lower Lire 20.000 72037- German Lozenge Camo. Strips Lire 20.000 EAGLE STRIKE Decals 1/48 48011- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color upper Lire 20.000 48012- German Lozenge Camo. 4 Color lower Lire 20.000 48013- German Lozenge Camo. Strips Lire 20.000 HR Models 1/48 4802- Martinsyde S.1 Lire 55.000 HR Models 1/72 7267- Fokker A- III Lire 35.000 OMEGA 1/72 72055- Fokker M-9 Lire 50.000 PART FOTOINCISIONI 1/72 72129- Fokker E. IV Lire 18.000 72130- Pfalz E. IV Lire 18.000 72135- Sikorsky S. XIV Lire 18.000 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:29:38 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: <002e01c065eb$0d8035c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ray: >I wonder who won the soccer match at > christmas in 1914.......... This can be of some help (and to bring back us to topic) http://www.worldwar1.com/heritage/xmast.htm Remember the idea of a group project for a diorama of the Xmas footbal match? Let's do it! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:35:06 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: CSM PDMODELS DECALS Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20001214093506.00737cf8@pop.amug.org> dear listees, i can not seem to count correctly and as a result i have extra decals left over. they are in 1/48th only as follows: (3) fokk. d.vii (2) spad part 1 (2) spad part 2 same deal 4.50 each plus S&H (1.50 u.s. and 3.00 ouside u.s.) these are on a first come first served basis. please respond off list. thanks again. regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:44:59 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: <3A38F90A.7736D177@dial.pipex.com> dfernet0 wrote: > CAUTION! ot rant mode: Football I can take - It's US politics I'm fed up with !! > > Even when my fame has trascended the boundaries of the nations and people > cheer when they see me standing in a balcony ;-) my discomfort for this > Maradona affair is not related with his futbolistic skills. > Some days ago there was a lot of fuss here because FIFA awarded him with the > title of "sportsman of the century", leaving Pelé on the second place. I thought it was a 'joint' award ?? > Myself,I consider Diego Maradona a great footbal player, but a poor person > and bad sportsman (our english friends must remember him of his tricks in > Mexico86). He's still revered here in Scotland for that 'Hand of God' goal. His second was sublime. > He doesn't deserve awards, but he would find good use of a rehab. > He's no example of what a sportsman must be. I would agree with your last point - what a waste of talent. Bringing this back OT, which DH6 did you get ? Does it have the decals/metal parts, or is it the early issue ? I must admit to having a soft spot for the DH6. Watch the wing stagger - a few had back stagger, but most were straight no stagger. Hope it's not too hot down there !! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:21:56 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: ot, good sport RE: Flat or shinier? Message-ID: <003a01c065f2$5c7c12a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> David! > Football I can take - It's US politics I'm fed up with !! At least you can say who won after just 90 minutes! ;-) (sorry I couldn't resist, please direct your toughts to me off list) > Bringing this back OT, which DH6 did you get ? Early issue, just a sheet of styrene and some extruded plastic struts. The instructions sheet has a plan and some reference titles for the plane. >I must admit to having a soft spot for the > DH6. Watch the wing stagger - a few had back stagger, but most were straight no > stagger. Note taken, thanks!. Anyway it'll be a while until I can clutch my hand on this model. It is female-moulded, so the underside of wings should be a bit detailed. > Hope it's not too hot down there !! We're cooking, mate. But a storm is looming again over us! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:15:59 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Merry Christmas to me Message-ID: Christmas is definitely here. Not only did I get a (small) financial windfall, allowing Christmas to actually go ahead in my household, and not only did another three kits I need for me Museum build arrive but when I went to pick them up - lo and behold there was the Eduard Roland in 48th scale!! This at a store that only ever has Eduard in 1:72. It left scorch marks it came off the shelf so fast! $36 CDN and whacked under the tree with a "To Mark from Santa" sticker on it. Life is good, snow notwithstanding Hope the season has some nice surprises for you all. MVJ hiding under his desk in the news room making obscene noises over an open Eduard box ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:27:31 EST From: PBArnold54@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Local hobby shops Message-ID: --part1_ae.e776f9d.276a7923_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can sympathize with your plight. I recently moved from an area prolific with really good hobby shops to an area nearly devoid of any plastic. Yes, we have the local train store, and two actual hobby shops. However, the one is owned and run (into the ground) by a total car fanatic who looks down his nose at those of us who prefer a/c. His shelves have not seen a "new release" in decades, and what little he does have to offer would bring tears to your eyes. There are no aftermarket anything in his store. His prices are outrageous, and absolutely will not give any price break to anyone...be you and IPMS member or blood relative. I realize it is important to support your local hobby shop, but there must be some give and take. This man absolutely refuses to order anything until he has accumulated an order for $150.00 for his supplier. You could theoretically wait a year (or longer) for a new release. Then they wonder why nobody goes there, or worse yet (to him) why everyone in the area deals with such supply outlets as Squadron. It's a sad commentary when the third largest city in the state has such limited resources for the modeller. Just my two cents. Rant mode off. BA --part1_ae.e776f9d.276a7923_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    I can sympathize with your plight.  I recently moved from an area
prolific with really good hobby shops to an area nearly devoid of any
plastic.  Yes, we have the local train store, and two actual hobby shops.  
However, the one is owned and run (into the ground) by a total car fanatic
who looks down his nose at those of us who prefer a/c.  His shelves have not
seen a "new release" in decades, and what little he does have to offer would
bring tears to your eyes. There are no aftermarket anything in his store.  
His prices are outrageous, and absolutely will not give any price break to
anyone...be you and IPMS member or blood relative.
    I realize it is important to support your local hobby shop, but there
must be some give and take.  This man absolutely refuses to order anything
until he has accumulated an order for $150.00 for his supplier.  You could
theoretically wait a year  (or longer) for a new release.  Then they wonder
why nobody goes there, or worse yet  (to him) why everyone in the area deals
with such supply outlets as Squadron.
    It's a sad commentary when the third largest city in the state has such  
limited resources for the modeller.
    Just my two cents.  Rant mode off.


BA
   
--part1_ae.e776f9d.276a7923_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:54:38 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Local hobby shops Message-ID: >From: PBArnold54@aol.com > I realize it is important to support your local hobby shop, but > >there must be some give and take. I question the premise; namely, supporting your local hobby shop. if they don't provide something that you want, I see no reason to do so. I shop by a combination of price, service, availability, atmosphere etc. Sure, I take into account that I like the guy or whatever but if he doesn't have what I want, I won't bother. Nothing personal - it's business. The best vendors, either on the web or not, are those that supply what you want at a decent price and give good service. Anything less and they won't survive as such. I'm fortunate to have Nostalgic Plastic close by - decent prices on most stuff and an atmosphere that would be hard to beat. If, however, the people who work there turned into a collection of "Mr. Hydes", they jacked up their prices and reduced their selection, I'd find someone else. As it stands, things are great there, so I visit often. Michael _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:56:31 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Local hobby shops Message-ID: Like most I agree with the premise. I have a great relationship with my local store. It's a crafts shop that only recently branched out into models. I visit regularly chatting with them, making suggestions and having my brains picked about what kind of stuff they should get in. . .and so far they haven't blacklisted me so things must be going okay. They are keen, eager to please, willing to hold on to kits for ages until my wallet can stretch to the price and will order anything I like. Orders are sent and are back within two weeks which is a record as far as I'm concerned. But I make no bones about it to them and they seem to appreciate where I'm coming from, I'm an equal opportunity buyer: I mail order, Ebay, and even go to THE OTHER model store in town - tho it's run by a Remote Control bloc and plastic is an expensive afterthought. And we get a 10 per cnt IPMS discount. I think these people have hit upon the key to working well with their customers - if they can get it they will, as fast and relatively cheaply as they can. . .if they can't they say so. They don't just fob you off with the old 'it's on back order' line. And above all if they can't get it they'll makje suggestions as to where you might be able to find it. Nice to know real customer service is alive and well. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:17:43 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Local hobby shops Message-ID: <006a01c0660a$eb8d8380$09e379a5@com> > >From: PBArnold54@aol.com > > > I realize it is important to support your local hobby shop, but > > >there must be some give and take. > Michael Kendix also said: > I question the premise; namely, supporting your local hobby shop. I don't - I support my local shop, and they do their damndest to make available all sorts of stuff that I personally like because they know that I'll buy it. I understand and appreciate the arguements here, but the hobby shop is MORE than where you buy your stuff - it's where alot of us meet up and swap plastic info and have informal club meetings and such. For instance, AAA Hobby in Marietta, GA is the site of the informal day-long club meetings which take place every Saturday. Same here for Homewood Toy and Hobby in the Birmingham area. I can run into Bill Powers, Phil Hale, et al, all very experienced and excellent modellers who are never afraid to swap info on what they are doing and how they are doing it. Ditto for me. The hobby shop owner who ignores his clientele makes a real mistake. Show the shop owners your stuff. Get other guys with similar interests there with their stuff too. If the owner can't take the hint, then he deserves to go under IMNSHO. Likewise, it's really nice when the hobbyists go to the store - it keeps the local retailer happy. I like mail-order and internet purchases, but mostly for stuff that my local guy's suppliers can't provide. And that's all I have to say about that. Forrest aka. DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:21:13 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: RE: springy things and traveling modeler Message-ID: On my last holiday I took a box full of vacforms, a pen, a knife and a scraper. Got through the cutting out and thinning down of about 20 kits. this has the advantage of not having anything too delicate to worry about while travelling Shame nothing much else has been done on them in the six months I've been home Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:54:42 +0100 > From: Crawford Neil > To: "WW1 list (E-mail)" > Subject: RE: springy things and traveling modeler > > I've never tried it, but I usually have a large repair kit to competitions, > you can take most everythinhg in a very small box. Watch out for > leaking glue. Sounds like plenty of sandpaper and filler is a good idea. > /Neil > >> next month I'll take vacations and I tought on getting a model >> with me to do some simple tasks as sanding and such. What do you think that >> would be useful to carry as tools? I won't have too much extra space left >> and I don't want to carry heavy items (I'll go by plane and I'll take >> several buses during the vacations) It'll be nice to hear about other >> modelers experiences "on the road" >> D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:08:51 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Local hobby shops Message-ID: <46.df13905.276a90e3@aol.com> In a message dated 12/14/00 2:58:43 PM EST, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << I question the premise; namely, supporting your local hobby shop. if they don't provide something that you want, I see no reason to do so. I shop by a combination of price, service, availability, atmosphere etc. Sure, I take into account that I like the guy or whatever but if he doesn't have what I want, I won't bother. Nothing personal - it's business. The best vendors, either on the web or not, are those that supply what you want at a decent price and give good service. Anything less and they won't survive as such. >> Complete and total agreement here with this. TC ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2896 **********************