WWI Digest 2885 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Aircraft Archive by "Lyle Lamboley" 2) Re: HR Morane H by Todd Hayes 3) Re: Re Fokker D.VIII Colors by David Fleming 4) Re: Aircraft Archive by Todd Hayes 5) RE: Aircraft Archive by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 6) Re: Aircraft Archive by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Aircraft Archive by "Lyle Lamboley" 8) Re: Aircraft Archive by "Lyle Lamboley" 9) Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits by Todd Hayes 10) RE: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 11) RE: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits by Todd Hayes 12) British Experimentals - was: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 13) Re: British Experimentals - was: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits by Todd Hayes 14) Re: Aircraft Archive by Todd Hayes 15) Re: Aircraft Archive by "Tom Solinski" 16) Re: Aircraft Archive by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re:OT Political Stuff by pugs99@att.net 18) Re: Political Stuff AN END by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 19) Re: ot forays (was Re: wing decals) by Allan Wright 20) RE: A bit of nostalgia... by Shane Weier 21) RE: CSM Sale by Shane Weier 22) Re: Political Stuff AN END by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 23) Re: Aircraft Archive by "Hans Trauner" 24) Re: Vanted Wacs by "D Charles" 25) RE: Re : AWM Albatros wing covering by Shane Weier 26) RE: HR Morane H by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:23:31 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: <005b01c0623f$709d69c0$91dcd73f@lylelamb> Guys, Just drooling around on Ebay and found the three volumes of Aircraft Archive that are OT...the current bid is $50. I can't remember what they were going for originally, but it seems they are going for less than $17 each right now. Is that a bargain? Remember that Guillow's Pfalz that went for over $200 a few months back--quite a few have popped up since then. It's a good bet that the fellow who parted with that much money kicked himself in the arse when he saw how much those others sold for. Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:32:26 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HR Morane H Message-ID: <20001210003226.28508.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Marc, Thanks for the info on Silverbird. I always feel a little uneasy ordering overseas, until, as with you, I've received an order or two. I was the same with VAMP, but after several very satisfactory transactions, I feel as comfortable with Lubos as when I order from Rosemont. It is great that the Eastern European countries are doing so well and can offer such excellent deals. It sure has been a definite advantage for us WW1 modelers too. Todd --- Marc Flake wrote: > Matt: > > "Was it worth the price?" It cost me $8; it was > worth the price. > > "Accuracy, "scale-ness" (e.g. how thick or thin the > pieces are), > mismatched parts, etc." As you know, I'm no expert. > I could lay the > pieces on my scanner and send the image to you. > Fuselage walls are as > thin as the Roden/Toko/ICM kits that I have. Wings > approach vacuform > for thinness. The surfaces of both have a very > subtle texture that I'm > sure is meant to represent scale fabric weave. > > It comes with a general-purpose photo-etch fret with > wire wheels, and > some odd-looking triangular stuff that I don't think > belong on this > model. Decals are for two or three IRAS machines. > Instructions are > effectively non-existent. Only a three-view GA and > a couple of profiles > (neither one matching the decals) are provided. > > Same quality as the "L" which I also received (I > think you may have > built this one, or not?). > > Todd: I placed my order November 1, it arrived > Tuesday, but my wife > couldn't get around to picking it up until Friday. > Four to five weeks > for an order from Silverbird is about par for me. I > used to fret about > it, too, but after four successful orders, I no > longer get concerned. > It is a little daunting to send money all that > distance and so far away > from our legal system. But I have found Silverbird > and now GP models to > be excellent resources for kits I think are too > expensive over here. > I'm glad to hear the testimonial for Jadar. I'm > going to look their > catalog over to see if there's something I want from > them. > > These Eastern European guys have taken the free > market philosophy and > combined it with the new economy to provide us with > great deals. I hope > they are prospering. > > Marc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 22:44:13 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re Fokker D.VIII Colors Message-ID: <3A32B5BD.9FFBB36A@dial.pipex.com> Mark Shannon wrote: > As to the Fokker colors, mixing these four in equal proportions would give a rather dingy grey blue green or possibly brownish color -- maybe not too different from the latter RLM 02 (the green could cancel a lot of the redness in the violet, and azure is greyish in some formulations). Or perhaps not unlike the colour that Voss' mechanic described his F1 as being ? (earth grey ?) just a thought !! D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:51:00 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: <20001210005100.95614.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Didn't Guillows also do a Rumpler? My father has talked about it and I vaguely remember seeing one before when I was a kid. Todd --- Lyle Lamboley wrote: > Guys, > Just drooling around on Ebay and found the three > volumes of Aircraft Archive > that are OT...the current bid is $50. I can't > remember what they were going > for originally, but it seems they are going for less > than $17 each right > now. Is that a bargain? > Remember that Guillow's Pfalz that went for over > $200 a few months > back--quite a few have popped up since then. It's a > good bet that the > fellow who parted with that much money kicked > himself in the arse when he > saw how much those others sold for. > Lyle > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:07:05 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: RE: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: I remember paying $15 (plus shipping) for each volume when I ordered mine a few years back from Motorbooks International. They are pretty good books, but IMHO that price is probably approaching the logical limit (but nothing seems logical on Ebay anymore, does it?) of what they are worth. Paul >>Just drooling around on Ebay and found the three volumes of Aircraft Archive >>that are OT...the current bid is $50. I can't remember what they were going >>for originally, but it seems they are going for less than $17 each right now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:12:31 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: In a message dated 12/9/00 4:53:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: << Didn't Guillows also do a Rumpler? My father has talked about it and I vaguely remember seeing one before when I was a kid. Todd >> Yep- came out ' 64 paired with the DH-4 to commemorate 50 years since WW I started. The ads in the model magazines started appearing in the spring saying that the models would be available that summer. I've got the tattered remnants of the plans somewhere around here, buried in accumulated treasures and trash...and a few color poloroids of the finished model all lozenged up and ready to go somewhere. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:24:14 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: <006d01c06247$ea4d2be0$91dcd73f@lylelamb> Paul, > I remember paying $15 (plus shipping) for each volume when I ordered mine a > few years back from Motorbooks International. They are pretty good books, > but IMHO that price is probably approaching the logical limit (but nothing > seems logical on Ebay anymore, does it?) of what they are worth. > I think I can find them from Aeroplane Books or some source like ABE books, and then I'll know the price will remain the same, without the damn snipers descending like a horde of locusts three seconds before the auction ends. :-( Lyle (who has been sniped to the point of extreme annoyance) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:43:37 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: <008401c0624a$9ff66180$91dcd73f@lylelamb> Just to clarify my last post, I know that no one on the list has ever sniped me.... Who was doing the "Ebay Record" of our names? Was that Dave Z.? Anyway, my name at ebay is "jastab." It was supposed to be Jasta B, but it didn't like the capitalization and corrected me. Dave, glad you are feeling better after that little CA episode. I contracted bronchial asthma in 1985 after a stint of not enough ventilation while building an R/C model. That was before all of the new odorless and safer variations came out, but the stuff is still dangerous. Later, Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits Message-ID: <20001210020339.3745.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone made contact with this company? I was just looking at their kit list. Other than the Salmson and Thomas-Morse, there's nothing else OT in 1:48. One OT kit in 1:72 that I noticed that might be of interest to you small scale modelers is a AW FK.10 quadriplane w/metal parts, and decals. Quite an unusual looking a/c. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:33:59 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits Message-ID: Todd, at least for the 72 scale models (like the HB W 12, the Brandenburg C I and the AW FK 10), they are all - how shall I say? - "very similar" to those original (ie, earlier) "Czechmaster" resins. And yes, that FK 10 is quite nice (but I still prefer the resin). Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Todd Hayes Sent: Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2000 09:09 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits Has anyone made contact with this company? I was just looking at their kit list. Other than the Salmson and Thomas-Morse, there's nothing else OT in 1:48. One OT kit in 1:72 that I noticed that might be of interest to you small scale modelers is a AW FK.10 quadriplane w/metal parts, and decals. Quite an unusual looking a/c. TH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:43:14 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits Message-ID: <20001210024314.43993.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Volker, Just letting list members know about it. Since it's available in resin, that would be my choice too. I'm into 1:48 myself. I'd like to see someone do it in 1:48 injection or resin. Seems kind of hard to find British experimentals in 1:48. I have the CSM Sop. Swallow, and the HR Models Port Victoria PV7. Is it as tough in 1:72? Todd --- Volker_Häusler wrote: > Todd, > > at least for the 72 scale models (like the HB W 12, > the Brandenburg C I and > the AW FK 10), they are all - how shall I say? - > "very similar" to those > original (ie, earlier) "Czechmaster" resins. And > yes, that FK 10 is quite > nice (but I still prefer the resin). > > Volker > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Todd Hayes > Sent: Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2000 09:09 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits > > > Has anyone made contact with this company? I was > just > looking at their kit list. Other than the Salmson > and > Thomas-Morse, there's nothing else OT in 1:48. One > OT > kit in 1:72 that I noticed that might be of interest > to you small scale modelers is a AW FK.10 > quadriplane > w/metal parts, and decals. Quite an unusual looking > a/c. > > TH > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 14:01:08 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: British Experimentals - was: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits Message-ID: Todd asked: "Seems kind of hard to find British experimentals in 1:48. I have the CSM Sop. Swallow, and the HR Models Port Victoria PV7. Is it as tough in 1:72? Todd" Seems life is easier if you select the true/right/proper/better/more beautifule etc scale (sorry but I NEVER can resist on that one). Just what comes into my mind: AD Scout (Expomodels - one of a total of three done specially for that London Southern Expo) Blackburn Triplane (nb) Austin Ball AFB 1(both vac and resin) PV 7 (Scaleplanes) PV 8 (Scaleplanes) PV 2bis (Phoenix) Vickers FB 26 (Scaleplanes) BAT Bantam (Scaleplanes) Swallow Conversion (Airframe) Austin Osprey (RVHP) Martinsyde F 4 (CMK) Nieuport Nighhawk (Blue Rider) As I said: that´s just what comes into my mind now - but there must have been more. Still no Supermarine PB 31, though. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:58:58 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: British Experimentals - was: Wings 72 &48 Vac Kits Message-ID: <20001210035858.36977.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Volker, That would be 1:48 right? I know the a/c existed. The problem is finding them in 1:48. Todd --- Volker_Häusler wrote: > Todd asked: > > "Seems kind of hard to find > British experimentals in 1:48. I have the CSM Sop. > Swallow, and the HR Models Port Victoria PV7. Is it > as > tough in 1:72? > > Todd" > > Seems life is easier if you select the > true/right/proper/better/more > beautifule etc scale (sorry but I NEVER can resist > on that one). > > Just what comes into my mind: > > AD Scout (Expomodels - one of a total of three done > specially for that > London Southern Expo) > Blackburn Triplane (nb) > Austin Ball AFB 1(both vac and resin) > PV 7 (Scaleplanes) > PV 8 (Scaleplanes) > PV 2bis (Phoenix) > Vickers FB 26 (Scaleplanes) > BAT Bantam (Scaleplanes) > Swallow Conversion (Airframe) > Austin Osprey (RVHP) > Martinsyde F 4 (CMK) > Nieuport Nighhawk (Blue Rider) > > As I said: that´s just what comes into my mind now - > but there must have > been more. Still no Supermarine PB 31, though. > > Volker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: <20001210041544.38280.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> RK, Yikes! The original kit is as old as I am. I'd love to have one. My father still has quite a few of the Guillow's plans. I'd like to find some of the old Comet kits too. Todd --- KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/9/00 4:53:29 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: > > << Didn't Guillows also do a Rumpler? My father has > talked about it and I vaguely remember seeing one > before when I was a kid. > > Todd >> > > Yep- came out ' 64 paired with the DH-4 to > commemorate 50 years since WW I > started. The ads in the model magazines started > appearing in the spring > saying that the models would be available that > summer. I've got the tattered > remnants of the plans somewhere around here, buried > in accumulated treasures > and trash...and a few color poloroids of the > finished model all lozenged up > and ready to go somewhere. > RK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 22:48:26 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: <001c01c06264$6fd733c0$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> Yes Guillows did do a Rumpler C-IV, and I was lucky enough to get one on eBay for only $35 a month ago. There is a gentleman in Texas is making Guillows like kits Called DPC models, I have his Phalz D-III and Sopwith tripe. The nice thing these are made for rubber only and look like they are light enough to fly well > Didn't Guillows also do a Rumpler? My father has > talked about it and I vaguely remember seeing one > before when I was a kid. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 23:52:50 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: <3f.db49127.27646622@aol.com> In a message dated 12/9/00 8:17:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: << RK, Yikes! The original kit is as old as I am. I'd love to have one. My father still has quite a few of the Guillow's plans. I'd like to find some of the old Comet kits too. Todd >> Yikes! Now I feel old and decrepit! I built almost (but not quite) all of the Guillow kits. I did hack together a few of the cheaper Comets- usually flew these to destruction, which is to say they went maybe, oh, 2 or 3 feet. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:22:28 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:OT Political Stuff Message-ID: <20001210052229.DMTY2234.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi Folks, Can't believe I actually weighed in on this stuff...Tom and Merrill, and Mike, all hit the nail right on the head..I was just getting a little tired of all the b.s. bashing of one side of the issue. Lets keep it where our real interests and reason for this terrific list lie in the first place: WWI and it's amazing history...Also, Gaston, I have to thank you for the good laugh I had over that joke about "one of the best presidents"!!!: ) :) Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 00:47:04 -0600 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Political Stuff AN END Message-ID: Ladies and Gents, Let us all remember what this list is for and who is being allowed to host it and on who's computer system. Lets put it back on topic and keep it there. All it would take is for one complaint to get back to Alan's supervisors and the site would be history. Just a reminder. JPH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:05:38 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot forays (was Re: wing decals) Message-ID: <200012100805.DAA06934@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I log off for the weekend and things go to hell in a handbasket. General rule of thumb, if it's not WWI Modeling, please take it elsewhere. The most lattitude I'm willing to give is off-topic modeling posts which ask for off-list responses. Sorry for the reminder, let's play nicely people. Remember, we're all friends and modeling nuts here - let's discuss that. I'd rather hear about Voss' cowel again before seing political flame wars going on here. -Allan Wright - List GOD - Don't make me have to smite you :-) > TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > >> Political post snipped << > > Mr Cleaver, > Please take your political posts somewhere else - we don't need nor > want it here. =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:34:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: A bit of nostalgia... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748934@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Paul says: > Judging by the average age of listees, I'll bet a lot of them > grew up in the > GI Joe hay-day back in the mid '60s, as I did. Not in Australia mate. No GI's around here, not especially little ones, the possession of which would at very least been considered "suspect" in those less enlightened days ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:45:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: CSM Sale Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748935@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd (in reply to Bob) says: > You hit the nail right on the head. CSM's kits are > more expensive than BM, but the extra cost is more > than acceptable because you get more for your money. Which is all very well if you live in the US, but a load of old cobblers elsewhere. I can buy three BM kits or six Eduard profipacks for the cost of one of Erics kits - and the Profis are at least as good, while the opportunity to complete three interesting subjects rather than one is a considerable advantage for the BM's. Yet again I say that I don't believe Eric is overpricing - resin production taint cheap - but given that my enjoyment is gained mostly in the process I'm not averse to the extra work inherent in a BM kit, and given a serious shortage of $$$ of any nationality price IS a factor. I saw Candice mention the upcoming Gotha - let me suppose it to cost US$130, which is not unlikely IMHO, and even after the A$ appreciated 4% against the greenback this week it would still cost me A$305 with bank charges to get a US$ bankdraft and including postage. Which will provide me ONE kit so expensive I can't begin to imagine how I'd justify it to my long suffering wife *however* good and desirable it might be. I'll have a Gotha one day, but I'm betting I'll scratchbuild it! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:50:50 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Political Stuff AN END Message-ID: <3A3343EA.5DC921AE@tac.com.au> Bob Pearson wrote: > > The Canadians get this one ... the rest of you need to learn the one true > sport Ahhh - you're finally going to graduate to playing on grass are you??? ;-þ Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:06:06 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Aircraft Archive Message-ID: <001c01c06288$6e5655c0$a6a172d4@custom-pc> Yes, they did. I do have one in my kit storage facility ( a garage ). It's cold outside and the garage is a little way down the street and therefore I connot confirm the exact type. But it should be a D IV as far as I remember. Von: Todd Hayes An: Multiple recipients of list Datum: Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2000 01:54 Betreff: Re: Aircraft Archive >Didn't Guillows also do a Rumpler? My father has >talked about it and I vaguely remember seeing one >before when I was a kid. > >Todd > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:31:14 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Re: Vanted Wacs Message-ID: <000101c0628a$653a43a0$322ad7d2@charls> I have the Airframe Vac of the FE8. How hard do you want to work? David >Anyone have have the following kits in 1/72 and is inclined to sell or swap >them?: >- Libramodels or Scaleplanes DH5 >- Libramodels FE8 >- Formaplane FE2b >D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:28:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Re : AWM Albatros wing covering Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748936@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Cam, > >However - the Canberra D.Va is neither unique, nor by > >the photographic record only one of very few. > > Ah hell, I did my cook-up as chordwise, wasnt aware that at capture > the Claus DVa had spanwise lozenge on its upper wing bottom. Was > there still rib tapes on the spanwise lozenge. Where is the lozenge > being spanwise for the AWM albatros recorded? Part of the original publication which also recorded the 5 colour pattern on the original fabric and gave the 5 colour pattern the name "Canberra Pattern" as opposed to 4 colour "Knowlton pattern" IIRC. I also have a lengthy letter from my late friend Eric Watson, who was one of those involved in the restoration in which the original fabric was replaced with replica. He as official photgrapher together with Bob Waugh as draftsman was responsible for the full documentation of the machine prior to the restoration. The letter gives a long explanation of the state and type of fabric left on the machine, and is an important source from my perspective *however* he asked (and I promised) that I *not* pass on the letter in its entirety because of inter alia discussion of some less than reputable events which led to the disappearance of most of the original fabric, property of the AWM archives - which was later sold in various places including some quite well known to us. OTOH I'm happy enough to extract the relevant sections - if you wouldn't mind photocopies which look like the censor attacked them. > > >This has been discussed on list before about 2 > >years ago, > > Did a search and found it. Wish I had looked earlier :( Matt will no doubt agree ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:33:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: HR Morane H Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748937@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd says: > I always feel a > little uneasy ordering overseas, until, as with you, > I've received an order or two. Me too. Given that the US is chock full of gangsters, con-men and drug dealers, it's a terrifying act, to send money all that way in the uncertain hope that the model traders there are amongst the small percentage of honest folk outside Australias borders ;-) <======= BIG smiley Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2885 **********************