WWI Digest 2881 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Plywood Fuse Panel by Crawford Neil 2) Re: Number One by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 3) RE: ot forays (was Re: wing decals) by Brent Theobald 4) Re: Hermann Goering by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: Plywood Fuse Panel by "DAVID BURKE" 6) RE: Plywood Fuse Panel by Crawford Neil 7) Re: The 'Formally Svelt' Herman's D-VII, was;PD Decals - we shall by "Brad & Merville" 8) Roseplane G-3 & humour/ was Re: Hermann Goering by "Michael Kendix" 9) 3D Printer by Brent Theobald 10) CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by ERIC HIGHT 11) Fokker D.VIII colors by "Lyle Lamboley" 12) Bye for the weekend by "DAVID BURKE" 13) Source of tools by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 14) Re: Fokker D.VIII colors by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 15) Alb tails - oops! by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 16) Alb. tails: Further apologies by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 17) Re: Alb tails - oops! by "Bob Pearson" 18) Re Fokker D.VIII Colors by "Mark Shannon" 19) Re: prop logos by "Mike Franklin" 20) Three Color Albatros Wings by "Lance Krieg" 21) Re: Albatros shoulder harness mounting by "Michael S. Alvarado" 22) RE: 3D Printer by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 23) Re: 3D Printer by Mark Miller 24) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by "Courtney Allen" 25) Re: Alb tails - oops! by "David Calhoun" 26) Re: Fokker D.VIII colors by David Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:08:20 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Plywood Fuse Panel Message-ID: I was talking to Jim Landon about this, he told me that if you soak wood with CA, you effectively turn it into plastic. When I do my propellers I find that the more CA the easier it is to carve. You can carve things that are nearly impossible in wood normally. I can well imagine it varnishes it too, though I've never tried that, I think I will, usually I just varnish anyway, maybe I don't need to? /Neil Mark wrote: also - consider using CA as "varnish" for the ply - gives a surprisingly nice finish ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:15:10 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Number One Message-ID: <44.991a611.276246ee@aol.com> This chap should fit right in here ;) cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:56:02 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ot forays (was Re: wing decals) Message-ID: <0C9947CED778D411B8BD0008C7FAA642A52044@emerald.telecom.sna.samsung.com> Howdy! Todd says: >>>I'm not sure if it's true, but I heard that he was Jewish. I recently completed reading an ot book written by a Jewish man named Viktor Klemperer. It's his diary written from '35 - '45 as a Jew living in Dresden. The title is *I Will Bear Witness*. It's a little hard to read, translation does odd things you know, plus it isn't exactly riviting. However it is very interesting. It also has a Titanic quality to it.... You know something awful is coming (Dresden air raid)but for some dumb reason you hope it doesn't. Whoa! I went a little wide of my mark! Long story short - I know of another Klemperer who was certainly Jewish. He was also a professor of clasical literature at a college in Dresden. That kind of fits in with the arts angle being tied into them name. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:00:01 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Hermann Goering Message-ID: <001101c0612f$ee4db0c0$95ee79a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:27 AM Subject: Re: Hermann Goering > Len Deighton does a thumbnail bio of Goering in the ot book "Fighter". He > also gives a bio on another "prize winner" Ehard Milch. > > Jack Hunter wrote an article for OTF, Vol. 13, N0 3., Fall 1998. Jack > served in counter-intelligence during WWII. He worked on/with a Nazi SS > type. It was a profoundly disturbing experiance. "The Blue Max" series are > drawn from his insights in to the Nazi psyche. > > Hunter's article & Deighton's book fighter do a very good job of sheading > light on what kind of people these Nazis were and of how they got that way. > Very insightful. > > Regards, > John Cyg. > Somebody mentioned that there had never been a good biography of HG. That is simply not true. There is a quite large volume devoted to Der Eisenmann. It is one of a set of three - also covering the Bavarian Corporal and the Schoolteacher (the head of the SS). It is quite a complete and fascinating work, and I read it some years back. I believe that it was done in the '50's or '60's, so much of the info presented was quite fresh. As to allegations that only time has allowed a complete biography of Bonaparte, and that a full bio of R.E.Lee still has to be published, then I beg you to look in your local libraries and bookstores. There are many. One of the reasons that Lee is so controversial is that he can't be pigeonholed - and the fact appears to be that he was one of the greatest Americans to have ever lived. Definitely one of my heroes. And upon research, N.B. Forrest wasn't such a bad guy either. Even though he was around the Pulaski Klan in its early days and served as its first Grand Wizard. As a slave dealer, he tried not to break up families, and was remembered as the kindest master that most of them ever had (although owning another human is evil in itself - go figure). The points that were made that one cannot merely look at one facet of a person and judge him are right on the money. For instance, I'm sure that there were days in his early childhood that little Alfie Hitler was the sweetest, nicest kid in the world. As someone who hopes someday to write history, I fell into a blunder by referring to HG as 'Fatso'. Yes, during WWI, he was thin, and a sort of respected fighter pilot and head of JG1. OTOH, TC stirred up recollections in my head from the biography. IIRC, TC was right: he was not liked by his fellow pilots, save one or two. Sort of like a Greg 'Pappy' Boyington situation - he rubbed just about everyone the wrong way. He was apparently quite arrogant and played the aristocrat. Ahh, whatever. I don't remember where I read when he became a true anti-Semite, but the hard times of the '20's and the lure of power had alot to do with it. Ramble, ramble, ramble DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:06:54 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Plywood Fuse Panel Message-ID: <002601c06131$1a821b80$95ee79a5@com> > I was talking to Jim Landon about this, he told me that if you soak wood > with CA, you effectively turn it into plastic. When I do my propellers I > find that the more CA the easier it is to carve. You can carve things > that are nearly impossible in wood normally. I can well imagine it > varnishes it too, though I've never tried that, I think I will, usually > I just varnish anyway, maybe I don't need to? > /Neil > > Mark wrote: > also - consider using CA as "varnish" for the ply - gives a surprisingly > nice finish Yeah, That's what I do when I carve props: I do my laminates with thick CA and then I soak it with thin CA to get it into the wood grain. Using CA as a varnish has drawbacks. It almost never cures smoothly on the surface, so it has to be rubbed down. BTW, you can use a Future/drafter's ink wash over lightly-sanded CA. As soon as I can get a set of decent drawings done, I'll be sending a prop-carving article to IM. Should be pretty soon! I make great mention of using CA to 'plasticize' the wood. For results, check out my page in the Gallery; most of the props are hand-carved (including my first 4-bladed prop on my DH2). DB DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:28:55 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Plywood Fuse Panel Message-ID: Lovely work Dave, you can see my 1/72 4-blade on my DH4A here: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Crawford/Allied/dh4fro-1.jpg I've been using exactly the same technique as you. /Neil PS. That was a good summing up of the Göring thing too. -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE [mailto:dora9@sprynet.com] Sent: den 8 december 2000 17:13 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Plywood Fuse Panel > I was talking to Jim Landon about this, he told me that if you soak wood > with CA, you effectively turn it into plastic. When I do my propellers I > find that the more CA the easier it is to carve. You can carve things > that are nearly impossible in wood normally. I can well imagine it > varnishes it too, though I've never tried that, I think I will, usually > I just varnish anyway, maybe I don't need to? > /Neil > > Mark wrote: > also - consider using CA as "varnish" for the ply - gives a surprisingly > nice finish Yeah, That's what I do when I carve props: I do my laminates with thick CA and then I soak it with thin CA to get it into the wood grain. Using CA as a varnish has drawbacks. It almost never cures smoothly on the surface, so it has to be rubbed down. BTW, you can use a Future/drafter's ink wash over lightly-sanded CA. As soon as I can get a set of decent drawings done, I'll be sending a prop-carving article to IM. Should be pretty soon! I make great mention of using CA to 'plasticize' the wood. For results, check out my page in the Gallery; most of the props are hand-carved (including my first 4-bladed prop on my DH2). DB DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:47:04 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: The 'Formally Svelt' Herman's D-VII, was;PD Decals - we shall Message-ID: <00b101c06136$7f4c29c0$2c895ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> You heard it on this list first! Herman's DVII was white with POLKADOTS! Sorry Shane, couldn't resist. :^) Brad Putting on my Stahlhelm and spectacles and sinking back behind the nearest fern ala Artie Johnson. "Very interestink....but schtupdit!" -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: RE: The 'Formally Svelt' Herman's D-VII, was;PD Decals - we shall >Gabe, > >> Not so fast there, it may just have been an off-white which showed up >> lighter due to the orthochromagnon film then in use :-} >> > >I doubt it Gabe. It has long been known that white dope photographed with >orthochromagnon film will invariably produce a polka dot pattern with the >dot size precisly 282mm diameter and the distribution logarithmic both >port-starboard and fore-aft. Also (invariably) the dots will appear darker >and the background lighter according to an inverse square of the actual >amount of light falling on the white dope. > >Incidentally, all orthochromagnon film used during WW1 was coated on 3.6mm >thick slate quarried from a cave in southern France, and all samples now >held are of Martinsyde F.100 which have faded to such a degree as to show no >better than stick figures and the animal itself > >Regards > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >********************************************************************** >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is >intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or >copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to >forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the >MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > >e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au >phone: Australia 1800500646 >********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 17:59:54 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Roseplane G-3 & humour/ was Re: Hermann Goering Message-ID: I received a copy of Roseplane's new rendering of their 1/72nd scale Caudron G-3 kit. I don't have it to hand at work but the vacuform sheet is the usual high quality, HOWEVER, it now comes with a whole load of resin parts including the engine cowl, interior bits, nacelle/fuselage and I think, tail parts. Plus the usual metal/resin wheels, prop and gun. Looks outstanding. The nacelle and tail parts are also on the vac sheet (presumably from the original kit mold)so Barry hasn't deprived you the thrill of doing those in vac, if you're (insane) so inclined. If I ever live through building the SSW DDr.1,.... I've had the top wing on and off twice and it's been stripped twice and will be painted for a third (times a charm, I hope) tonight! Michael >From: "DAVID BURKE" >It is one of a set of three - also covering the Bavarian Corporal I thought he was Austrian? A different corporal perhaps? Schultze! Schultze! >and the Schoolteacher (the head of the SS). Wasn't Himmler a chicken farmer? Perhaps it was just part time (chicken farming not head of the SS). >N.B. Forrest wasn't such a bad guy either. Even though he was >around the Pulaski Klan in its early days and served as its first Grand >Wizard. Now I can sleep soundly in my white bedsheets. >As a slave dealer, he tried not to break up families, and was >remembered as the kindest master that most of them ever had (although > >owning another human is evil in itself - go figure). That is so true. Hitler adored his dog but was mean to millions; some people just defy any sort of categorization. Michael _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:18:09 -0600 From: Brent Theobald To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: 3D Printer Message-ID: <0C9947CED778D411B8BD0008C7FAA642A5204D@emerald.telecom.sna.samsung.com> Howdy ya'll! I have had a "Modeling in the Future" article on my back burner for most of the last year. I was doing some more research on it today when I ran across a company that is running a Free Part Promotion. The deal is I send them a file of the part I want created. And tey send me a part. Now, since this article is (obviously) of a modeling nature what is the ONE part ya'll would like to see created? This is something that can be used as a master for a resin mold etc. If there's something the group would like done just contact me off list and we can discuss it. Another thought just occured to me... We already have some nice virtual models on the cookup page. Any hope of getting an STL file of the engine? Heck, why not send them an STL of the whole fuselage? Thanks! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:31:52 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20001208113152.00926610@pop.amug.org> esteemed listees and yes brent that includes you! csm will be having a 20% sale for the rest of this month. everything but the following will be included: k1002 (already at cost) k1012 (10% d.i. discount will apply) k1013 (10% d.i. discount will apply) props 1/72 scale items(these are already 55%off)(10% d.i. discount will apply) the dicta ira discount will apply also so that is 30% off for the math challanged. for those new to the list csm offers a 10% discount for list members that give the "password"(dicta ira) on all items in our line except the props. happy holidays and all that sh***. thanks again for your continued support. thanks, regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:01:29 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Fokker D.VIII colors Message-ID: <004a01c06149$590858c0$7e1cd03f@lylelamb> This is from Dan San Abbott over at The Aerodrome, which was a surprise to me. "A piece of information for the model builders. The upper plywood surface of the wing was stained with dark green and mocha brown and the under surfaces was stained sky blue and lilac after which it was clear lacquered. Interesting, yes, no?" The Datafile lists the paints for the Fokker as follows: (other than for the national insignia) 20 gm Mocha Brown (wood stain) 20 gm Azure Blue 20 gm 'Azin' (brand name) violet 20 gm New True Green POSSIBLY mixed together to achieve the factory dark olive... I always subscribed to the four colors being mixed together, but knowing how unreliable photo evidence is, it might not be too far out to suggest the undersides were a lighter shade. Still, the vote's out for me, and I'm not changing my E.V to comply (yet). Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:13:23 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Bye for the weekend Message-ID: <001001c0614a$fc6ab660$11e579a5@com> Hi Guys, I'm off to N.O. for the weekend - Father's Birthday is tomorrow. I'll unsub for a wee bit and be back in your collective faces on Monday, when painting shall commence on the Camel (YES!!!) Be Happy Or Not! DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:20:59 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'WWI Modeling Digest'" Subject: Source of tools Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A249078012ABA92@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Greetings, This may be old news to some, but I stumbled upon a place to get miniature drills, pin vises, needle files, and other small tools. It's http://www.widgetsupplies.com. The tools are *not* top quality made-in-USA stuff, but they seem to be adequate for the materials we commonly use, and the price is right. I had a problem with the pin vise I got -- it held the smallest drill bits at a slight angle -- so I e-mailed them and they sent me a replacement right away. No connection, just a satisfied customer. OT, I opened and started fondling a recently acquired Glencoe A-H Alb. It definitely won't be a "shake the box" build, but it's a good, inexpensive place to try out some of the techniques I've been reading about on this list. There's quite a bit of flash and the fit isn't great, but I think I can build it into an attractive, if not completely accurate, model. There seem to be some options. The kit includes two propellers, two noses/spinners, two rudders, and two (seemingly identical) tail skids. This brings up a question, as my best (!) reference is the Squadron _Alb. Fighters in Action_ book. According to it, the A-H Albs had a squared-off tail. However, Mr. Pearson's profiles of A-H machines show them with rounded tails. Is my book flat-out wrong, or did A-H machines have both types of tails? Sorry for taking so much bandwith, and TIA. Dicta Ira, ken zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:22:32 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII colors Message-ID: <43.da86f97.27628ef8@aol.com> Dan San A is also I understand the source of the current belief in the three colour Albatros schemes. Now I know he is a highly respected researcher, author, and collector, with an enviable body of work behind him and it is not my intent to udermine that in any way. But what are the lists feelings on whether we should abandon all that was previously accepted on the strength of one report on one captured aircraft? Or is there more to it than that which has passed me by? I am reminded how for decades we all, based on the example of the Canberra DV, clung to the notion that some Albatros a/c had lozenge fabric applied spanwise. I think we are all agreed now that this aeroplane is not at all typical and have adjusted our ideas accordingly. Is the two versus three colour debate (has there actually been a debate?) perhaps another example of this? My mind is open, I am ready and willing to be educated in this as in verything else cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:26:08 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'WWI Modeling Digest'" Subject: Alb tails - oops! Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A249078012ABA93@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> I may have spoken too soon, gang. The Pearson Profiles to which I referred are on the buildup page. After looking at Mr. Pearson's site, I found profiles there with flat tails. I'm still wondering, though, did A-H Albs have both types of tails? Thanks again, ken zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:52:16 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'WWI Modeling Digest'" Subject: Alb. tails: Further apologies Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A249078012ABA94@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Sorry about that. Seems I can't tell the difference between "OAW" and "OEF". ken zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:11:36 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Alb tails - oops! Message-ID: <200012082125.NAA10926@mail.rapidnet.net> A-H Albatros D.IIIs had the 'flat' tails, the rounded D.III tails are by OAW or were on the D.V/Va. Bob ---------- >From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Alb tails - oops! >Date: Fri, Dec 8, 2000, 11:30 am > > I may have spoken too soon, gang. The Pearson Profiles to which I referred > are on the buildup page. After looking at Mr. Pearson's site, I found > profiles there with flat tails. I'm still wondering, though, did A-H Albs > have both types of tails? > > Thanks again, > > ken zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 14:25:54 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re Fokker D.VIII Colors Message-ID: While I am wondering about the multicolor wings on Fokker D.VIII, I have no trouble accepting a three-color paint scheme for Albatros D.III's. I have photos of camouflaged wings and tails from angles showing clearly the span of the wing at pretty much parallel to the film plane. These have always been described when printed as red-brown or mauve and green two color, but three distinctly contrasting shades are apparent in the photo. Examples are in the Squadron 'In Action' title on Albatros Fighters. These do not appear to be re-fabric of damaged sections showing up as different -- the color dividing lines do not follow fabric divide and cellule patterns. Also, the crosses do not appear different from one another, which might be the case if this was in the middle of a redoping/painting. On the other hand, I do not have access to either a time machine or authenticated fabric swatches to report this as proved beyond any doubt. However, if an older description of the wings was just a quick "they were camouflage painted in green and red-brown" it could easily have meant either two or three color (Only a modeler and a historian would worry about whether the description was really intended to mean two shades of green and a red-brown.) The example from the second world unpleasantness was on the German colors, often passed off in the literature and descriptions as 'painted in blue grays'. How many? Where? Only we fools look at 'em this closely. As to the Fokker colors, mixing these four in equal proportions would give a rather dingy grey blue green or possibly brownish color -- maybe not too different from the latter RLM 02 (the green could cancel a lot of the redness in the violet, and azure is greyish in some formulations). The nature of the color names, however, does not seem to fit with purer pigment bases (umber, sienna, ultramarine, terra verte, etc.) and it would sound more like individual formulations intended to be used as just that. I'm wondering if 'Azin' trademark color is one of the aniline purples the German chemical industry was so busy making during the thirty or so years prior to WWI for the dye industry -- soluble colors, fairly vibrant but translucent in nature. Ahhh, WWI uncertainties again. Don'ch'a just luv'em? .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:37:26 -0800 From: "Mike Franklin" To: Subject: Re: prop logos Message-ID: <000e01c06156$ae032fa0$b1ecfc9e@picker> David, I do not have a copy of the Ratmanoff logo. Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA USA "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit" ----- Original Message ----- From: David Calhoun To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: Re: prop logos > Hi Mike, > Which Nieuport prop logo do you have? I'm still in need of the Ratmanoff > for my N.17. Lee M. sent me an excellent Levesseur (sic) logo from a > Nieuport 28, but this is not correct for the N.17. > Please e-mail me a scan off list if you have the Ratmanoff logo. > Thanks, > Dave Calhoun > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Fletcher" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: prop logos > > > > I have collected from various sources the following logos (with varying > > levels of quality) if any are of use > > > > Beardmore > > Morane Saulnier (2) > > Nieuport > > Voisin > > Dux > > Russo-Baltic Wagon Works (Sikorsky) > > Russian Ski logo > > Pfalz > > SSW > > Fokker > > Elettro Ferroviarie(Italian blt Nieuports) > > Darraq > > Gnome > > Hispano-Suiza > > Salmson (2) > > > > dfernet0 wrote: > > > > > > Mike! > > > Excellent idea. May I suggest a few more? > > > Pfalz logo decals > > > AVRO logo decals > > > Sopwith logo decals > > > Fokker logo decals > > > Albatros logo decals > > > > > > The decals from Americals sometimes have these images, but I always > displace > > > them or ruin the smaller items. A full sheet of logos will be great! > > > Regards > > > D. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Mike Franklin > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: Prop logos > > > > > > > The propellers that I have documented and completed the artwork are: > > > > > > > > 1. Garuda from the NASM Albatross Book > > > > 2. Nieuport 28 Helice Levasseur Brevete S.D.G.D. thanks to Lee > Mensinger > > > > 3. LVG Niendorf Propellerwerke Luckenwalde thanks to Steve Cox > > > > > > > > I have not yet combed my Datafiles, Profiles or WW One Aero, but plan > to > > > do > > > > so. If anyone has any others, please contact me for details on what > kind > > > of > > > > scan I would need. > > > > > > > > I am re-drawing all the art in Corel 8, vector based images for > maximum > > > > detail and clarity. > > > > > > > > Mike Franklin > > > > Bellingham, WA USA > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 14:58:30 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Three Color Albatros Wings Message-ID: Like Peter, I tend to balk at new theories that seem to spring, full blown, into accepted fact. I have inquired on this Albatros theory specifically with other markings mavens, who support the Abbott thesis. And as Mark points out, there are pretty clearly three distinct shades in a lot of Albatros pictures... I'm still waiting to be convinced that early Albatorossen did NOT have their fuselages stained dark, though. The ortho film argument hasn't convinced me yet. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:05:40 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros shoulder harness mounting Message-ID: <3A314D23.E63094E9@bellatlantic.net> Steve; The fuselage ends of the shoulder harness were attached by hook and eye bolts to the fuselage frame immediately aft of the cockpit opening. If you look at the Eduard 1/48 scale PE detail set for either the Albatros D.V/Va or D.III you will see what I mean. The eyebolts are attached to the fuselage frame at about the level of the upper fuselage longerons. Closed end hooks which are part of the seatbelt hardware attached to these eyebolts. HTH Alvie Steven M Perry wrote: > Did the shoulder harness straps on Albatri attach to the back of the > seat, to a bar across the fuselage behind and above the seat back or to > the fuselage framework structure. > > Also, was there some sort of curtain or baffle behind the seat like some > of the Fokkers had? > > TIA > sp > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:16:18 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: 3D Printer Message-ID: Brent, I've heard about devices called Fabers. Have you meant them? What is the precision of such devices? How small details could be cut using 3d printer? How surfaces look like after 'printing' the part? Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 13:48:27 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 3D Printer Message-ID: <20001208214827.15945.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Fri, 08 December 2000, Brent Theobald wrote: > > Howdy ya'll! > > I have had a "Modeling in the Future" article on my back burner for most of > the last year. I was doing some more research on it today when I ran across > a company that is running a Free Part Promotion. The deal is I send them a > file of the part I want created. And tey send me a part. Now, since this > article is (obviously) of a modeling nature what is the ONE part ya'll would > like to see created? This is something that can be used as a master for a > resin mold etc. If there's something the group would like done just contact > me off list and we can discuss it. > > Another thought just occured to me... We already have some nice virtual > models on the cookup page. Any hope of getting an STL file of the engine? > Heck, why not send them an STL of the whole fuselage? > > Thanks! > > Brent It's a weird world Just this morning an optical designer came in to my office and asked me if I've ever heard of a file with a .STL extension. I Had to tell him no - never heard of such a thing. Now here it is a couple of hours later and another question about the same file type. I'd be happy to give you a file - I would suggest the engine - as the fuse might have some thin wall problems. Also was wondering if you got any instructions as to file prep? But... I looked at the Microstation export types and STL is not listed. I'll talk to the local CAD wizards on monday and see what can be done. I have found that cross apllication file transfers can be convoluted but you usualy can make it happen. I'll also ask the microstation newsgroup they might have an answer. sounds pretty cool - I'd love to see something I've made digitaly turn into something physical Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:03:08 -0800 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <000d01c06162$a6d46300$58c1480c@oemcomputer> Thank You Eric. What a guy! Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: "ERIC HIGHT" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:39 AM Subject: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT > esteemed listees and yes brent that includes you! > > csm will be having a 20% sale for the rest of this month. > everything but the following will be included: > k1002 (already at cost) > k1012 (10% d.i. discount will apply) > k1013 (10% d.i. discount will apply) > props > 1/72 scale items(these are already 55%off)(10% d.i. discount will apply) > > the dicta ira discount will apply also so that is 30% off for the math > challanged. > for those new to the list csm offers a 10% discount for list members that > give the "password"(dicta ira) on all items in our line except the props. > > happy holidays and all that sh***. thanks again for your continued support. > thanks, > regards, > eric > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:05:09 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Alb tails - oops! Message-ID: <006401c06184$76a9f100$c32e3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Ken, the AH D.III's seem to all have the flat trailing edge on the tail. German Alb D.III OAW had the round tail as seen on the D.V. The Glencoe kits has parts to build the German D.III & 2 versions of the AH D.III, round nose (series 253) & spinner covered prop nose (series 153). I am going to do a conversion using the Eduard Albatros D.III and add the nose from the Glencoe kit to get an accurate D.III series 253. (with a scratchbuilt interior) Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:30 AM Subject: Alb tails - oops! > I may have spoken too soon, gang. The Pearson Profiles to which I referred > are on the buildup page. After looking at Mr. Pearson's site, I found > profiles there with flat tails. I'm still wondering, though, did A-H Albs > have both types of tails? > > Thanks again, > > ken zelnick > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 23:36:33 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII colors Message-ID: <3A317081.F3447124@dial.pipex.com> LEONARDPeterL@aol.com wrote: > > I am reminded how for decades we all, based on the example of the Canberra > DV, clung to the notion that some Albatros a/c had lozenge fabric applied > spanwise. I think we are all agreed now that this aeroplane is not at all > typical and have adjusted our ideas accordingly. Is the two versus three > colour debate (has there actually been a debate?) perhaps another example of > this? > At least one other Albatros (D2359/17-G144) had the port Lozenge applied spanwise. The photo is in the datafile 3 Dave ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2881 **********************