WWI Digest 2864 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: lya Mourometz by Friedrich Kappes 2) Re: Sanger Engineering by Peter Leonard 3) do you still remember... by "Gaston Graf" 4) QANTAS Avro 504 was ( Sopwith Atlantic question ) by "cameron rile" 5) Air Pictorial 1969 by "cameron rile" 6) Re: www.rodenplant.com by Marc Flake 7) Re: Linden Hill Imports by "Matt Bittner" 8) Re: www.rodenplant.com by "Matt Bittner" 9) Re: Air Pictorial 1969 by "Brad & Merville" 10) Pegasus/Blue Max news by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: Thanks and further historical clarification - Re: Red and the Frieherr by "Hans Trauner" 12) ...and Australian source. Re: Linden Hill Imports by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 13) Re: Thanks and further historical clarification - Re: Red and the Frieherr by "Matt Bittner" 14) Re: Sopwith Atlantic question by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 15) Re: ...and Australian source. Re: Linden Hill Imports by "Matt Bittner" 16) Aerlerons and horizontal stabilizers - Roden F1 and Eduard Dr.I by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 17) Tag/yard/rummage sales; kit finds. by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 18) Re: do you still remember... by MAnde72343@aol.com 19) Allmenroder's D.III!? by "Stefen Karver" 20) RE: Tag/yard/rummage sales; kit finds. by "Ray Boorman" 21) RE: Pegasus/Blue Max news by "Ray Boorman" 22) Re: do you still remember... by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: do you still remember... by "Brad & Merville" 24) Re: do you still remember... by smperry@mindspring.com 25) Re: www.rodenplant.com by "Michael Kendix" 26) Re: do you still remember... by "David C. Fletcher" 27) Re: do you still remember... by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 28) Re: do you still remember... by Ernest Thomas 29) Wolff's DIII was: Re: LvR's Albatros D.III? by "Sharon Henderson" 30) Re: Tag/yard/rummage sales; kit finds. by Ernest Thomas 31) Re: LvR's Albatros D.III? by "Sharon Henderson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Dec 00 13:14:17 MET From: Friedrich Kappes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lya Mourometz Message-ID: <20001203121417.8906.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> And how to contact NKR ? www.nkr.com ? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes Lots of nice links, pictures (photos, drawings, ...), book reviews, literature aids, a dictionary,... ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 13:03:44 +0000 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sanger Engineering Message-ID: <3A2A44B0.8111A138@cwcom.net> I have now been able to consult the oracle. These are thr old Contrail kits and can be recommended to the discerning listee cheers Peter L Todd Hayes wrote: > Has anyone seen any of the 1:24 OT vacs by this > company? > > TH > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:00:42 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: do you still remember... Message-ID: ...your first flying lesson? Hi Candice ;o)! Yesterday the weather finally was good enough to go flying so I finally could have my first flying lesson. I was a bit amazed to see that here at this flying school they dip ones "nose right into the soup". I believed for the first lesson the instructor will get the plane airborne and bring it to a safe altitude before he will allow students to try several manouevers. Also I believed he will land the aircraft after the lesson was over but this was not the case - I had to do it all alone, following his instructions. That was really cool and I enjoyed it a lot - no ugly feeling in my stomach, I guess I had not time for feeling ill anyway, but after landing again I was hungry like a wolf :o). I wish I could spend more time at the airfield but the weather turned bad again today. Yesterday we was two students with our instructor so the other guy, his name is Mike, took the back seat as I had my lesson in the Cessna 172 and later I took the backseat as he had his second lesson in a Piper. It was really a big fun. The instructor asked me if I play a lot on flightsims and I said "yes". He said he noticed that I have a good feeling for corrections to make which made me glad to see that all the armchair flying was not in vain. But it's by far not compareable to the real thing indeed. Also fun was to see how tiny this country is. Only minutes after getting airborne one is already in France or Germany. We flew towards the nuklear powerplant of Cattenom in France then changed direction to follow the river Mosel which is marking the borderline with Germany. have a nice weekend my dear Gaston ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:51:15 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: QANTAS Avro 504 was ( Sopwith Atlantic question ) Message-ID: <5ECBE2FF129C4D115AA50005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Ray, >I was cheating a bit, but you should have >got this one....... lol > >http://www.frog.kits.freeuk.com/Airfix.htm > If you ever get out to Longreach, Queensland, Australia you can have a goose at a repro of the same plane; http://www.outbackheritage.com.au/museums/qantas.html cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:26:26 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Air Pictorial 1969 Message-ID: <7EEBE2FF129C4D115AA50005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Does anyone have the February 1969 issue of Air Pictorial? In there is a picture of two Bristol Fighter aircraft from 1 Sqn AFC infront of the big Handley Page 0/400 they received. Can someone have a look and see if the serials on those Biffs are readable and if one of them is B1229? ( Ross Smiths common mount ). cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 09:41:51 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: www.rodenplant.com Message-ID: <3A2A69BF.3DA7@airmail.net> Well, if we don't start the Sopwith Cookup soon, it looks like the next 10-15 OT kits I build are going to be Germans. Gad, look at all that candy, yum. And here I thought I'd be making the switch to 1/48 with the coming new millenium. It turns out I now have more OT 1/72 kits in the to-do pile than I did at the beginning of the year. Is it possible to have too much of a good thing? Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:05:27 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Linden Hill Imports Message-ID: <200012031605.IAA01217@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:35:30 -0500 (EST), Todd Hayes wrote: > Would anyone who has done business with Linden Hill > give me their impression of LHI's service? I just > ordered an Aeroclub BE2c from them and would like to > know if they're very quick on deliveries. I have had nothing but superb service from LHI. Guy - the owner - is a very decent chap to deal with. If what you want is *in stock* (which is usually not the case for some parts, like the off topic Equipage wheels) you will receive your order within a week. Granted I do most of my off topic shopping through Guy, but satisfied none the less. :-) I have four places I deal regularly with I have had nothing but success with: Rosemont, Roll Models, NKR and LHI. FWIW... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:14:31 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: www.rodenplant.com Message-ID: <200012031614.IAA16717@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:46:37 -0500 (EST), Marc Flake wrote: > And here I thought I'd be making the switch to 1/48 with the coming new > millenium. It turns out I now have more OT 1/72 kits in the to-do pile > than I did at the beginning of the year. Is it possible to have too > much of a good thing? Bwahahahahahaha! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:17:27 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Air Pictorial 1969 Message-ID: <003201c05d44$883f8f40$9b885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Cam 'Handley Page Bombers Of The First World War' has that picture on page 42. The caption reads: "0/400 C9681 at Haifa, October 1918 with Bristol F2Bs B1229 and B1295 giving comparisons in size." Brad nr: Just finishing 'One Airmans War' which of course references these machines. Thanks for recommending a truly great book! Did you manage to hook up with Mr. Lax? -----Original Message----- From: cameron rile To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, December 03, 2000 9:27 AM Subject: Air Pictorial 1969 >Does anyone have the February 1969 issue of Air >Pictorial? > >In there is a picture of two Bristol Fighter >aircraft from 1 Sqn AFC infront of the big >Handley Page 0/400 they received. Can someone >have a look and see if the serials on those Biffs >are readable and if one of them is B1229? ( Ross >Smiths common mount ). > > > > >cam >AFC - http://members.xoom.com/pointcook/ > >________________________________________ >Get your email at >http://www.prontomail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:18:36 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Pegasus/Blue Max news Message-ID: <200012031618.IAA25054@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Not sure how many people have subscribed to the new Pegasus email newsletter, but for those who haven't here's the latest. Their newest line - Silver Cloud - is now out with an off topic Spiteful. The next Pegasus *is* the SPAD 12 (woo hoo!!) but unfortunately no date is listed. Smart on their part I feel, but I'm impatient for it anyway. :-) The next Blue Max is the LVG C.VI, again no date listed. The next "Silver Cloud" will be the Seafang. I wonder (hope?) if the Silver Cloud will be used for non-WW1 models? Difficult to tell. I just want that SPAD 12 now, so it can collect dust quickest. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:21:00 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Thanks and further historical clarification - Re: Red and the Frieherr Message-ID: <003e01c05d45$069f3e80$8ea072d4@custom-pc> The F.I designation was only used on F 101/17, 102/17 and 103/17, the 'Mk.O' series, if you like. The DrI differed especially in the tailplane. The FI used a lightly rounded profile on the horizontal stabilizer. The Dr had also added the skids on the lower wings and both ailerons where changed later, but not on the very first examples. The engine hood also differs, but there where around six different shapes used. The Eduard F I is not a F I, but simply a late Dr I. I haven' t seen a Roden F I yet, but the Dr I includes both styles of ailerons, but I don't know if their FI includes a correct stabilizer. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:27:26 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ...and Australian source. Re: Linden Hill Imports Message-ID: Thanks for these tips, Matt. As much as I like the social aspect of the local hobby shop - sigh, money is money. By the way, someone mentioned an Australian source through which my hobby shop's ten dollar kits were to be had for five and a half. I don't remember what thread that info was given. Is it one of the sources below? ~Steve In a message dated 12/3/2000 4:08:47 PM, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << I have had nothing but superb service from LHI. Guy - the owner - is a very decent chap to deal with. If what you want is *in stock* (which is usually not the case for some parts, like the off topic Equipage wheels) you will receive your order within a week. Granted I do most of my off topic shopping through Guy, but satisfied none the less. :-) I have four places I deal regularly with I have had nothing but success with: Rosemont, Roll Models, NKR and LHI. FWIW... Matt Bittner >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:28:43 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Thanks and further historical clarification - Re: Red and the Frieherr Message-ID: <200012031628.IAA23291@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:25:55 -0500 (EST), Hans Trauner wrote: > The Eduard F I is not a F I, but simply a late Dr I. I haven' t seen a Roden > F I yet, but the Dr I includes both styles of ailerons, but I don't know if > their FI includes a correct stabilizer. Rosemont makes a correction set for the Eduard F.I which includes new upper wing, new tailplane and new cowl. The thinking is that the cowl was a little different as well. The Roden contains the ailerons only - no difference in cowl nor horizontal tail. Both the Eduard and Roden make it easy to leave off the wing skids. Keep in mind that the factory finish on these differed than the later production run - the three F.I's and some of the early production batch was all over turquoise with upper surfaces in streaky olive. All cowls were olive. ;-) No wait - red! No wait - yellow! Gads... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 01:29:37 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Atlantic question Message-ID: <3A2A58D1.D025F7F4@tac.com.au> Ray Boorman wrote: > > >Shane & Lorna Jenkins posted > > But since there's a comprehensive article in an early APMA Magazine on > >converting the Airfix 504 to a QANTAS version, I'd would have to use > >that article in converting it anyway or the Mistress would belt the hell > >outa me ;-). > Nope I'm not gonna comment on that one..... ;) What using the APMA magazine or the consequencies if I don't ;-) > > Anyway, no fair using the FROG site to get your Airfix trivia - here's > >me thinking you were referring to the FROG Vimy by mistake ;-). > > Nope just trying to mis-direct you..... Although Frog and Airfix were the > most available Kits in England when I was a kid, so I do get who did what > confused sometimes. Well, it worked ;-). Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:34:41 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: ...and Australian source. Re: Linden Hill Imports Message-ID: <200012031634.IAA28312@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:32:24 -0500 (EST), Stephendigiacomo@aol.com wrote: > By the way, someone mentioned an Australian source through which my hobby > shop's ten dollar kits were to be had for five and a half. I don't remember > what thread that info was given. Is it one of the sources below? The Australian source was mentioned, yes. It was NKR Models: http://www.nkrmodels.com.au/ Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:49:54 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aerlerons and horizontal stabilizers - Roden F1 and Eduard Dr.I Message-ID: Zer dänke*, Herr Hans, Thanks for the interesting information. I don't see any difference in the horizontal stabilizers of my Ed. Dr. I and the Ro. F.1 kit. Hmmm. I looked at my Dr. I trees and didn't see any extra aerlerons. There are two sets of aerlerons with the Ro. kit, and upon examining the two starbord aerlerons I see that one of them is slightly larger at the tip and also has a little more surface between the first and second inside ribs. ~Steve diGiacomo *Which nearly exhausts the extent of my current knowledge of German. In a message dated 12/3/2000 4:23:36 PM, hans.trauner@nefkom.net writes: << The engine hood also differs, but there where around six different shapes used. The Eduard F I is not a F I, but simply a late Dr I. I haven' t seen a Roden F I yet, but the Dr I includes both styles of ailerons, but I don't know if their FI includes a correct stabilizer. Hans >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:10:58 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Tag/yard/rummage sales; kit finds. Message-ID: <4c.d7ad11b.275bd8a2@aol.com> Before going on to the stated topic I wanted to point out to those in my area - (Hartford-Enfield, Connecticut) that Craftec Hobbies has -as is their wont - acquired an old man's model collection. There are a number of nifty oddballs such as 1930's Polish aircraft manufactured by a Polish company back in the Iron Curtain days and the quality of the two I peeked at - the boxes were not taped - was agreeable. They have a respectable stock of such oddities. I know, their price per for any of these kits - the ones I looked at were 1/72 - is in the five to seven dollar range, maybe a little pricey compared to running into such in Europe or at a private sale. Which brings me to the topic in the subject field. How much success has anyone had in acquiring model kits through tag sales/yard sales/rummage sales? I would like to hit these cheapo affairs often but never seem to have enough time available. (The old, perfectly good, heavy duty office chair I'm sitting on right now I picked up for one hundred cents at a tag sale.) Of the ten or so tag sales I've been to in the past two years, I've never encountered model kits. Just a matter of frequency and luck. ~Steve diGiacomo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:30:58 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: do you still remember... Message-ID: --part1_d.d198233.275bdd52_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although it's been over 30 years, I remember, and it was a tail dragging, fabric covered Piper Cub (I hope she's still flying in the hands of someone who loves her) Merrill --part1_d.d198233.275bdd52_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although it's been over 30 years, I remember, and it was a tail dragging,
fabric covered Piper Cub (I hope she's still flying in the hands of someone
who loves her)
Merrill
--part1_d.d198233.275bdd52_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 00:41:03 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Allmenroder's D.III!? Message-ID: <002c01c05db4$cc8c0a00$146dd6d8@stephen> Well, moving right along the early J11 roster, I have 5 images identified as Allmenroder's Alb. D.III D.6.29/17 available to me. In a speculative chronological order they are: 1. p. 47, top, Illustrated RB, cited as roughly contemporaneous with Wegener's 11 April visit to J11 2. p. 37, top, IRB, nd 3. Photo 111, Flying Circus (Hauprich), cited as late Spring/early Summer (being a somewhat overly fastidious dating since Allemenroder was killed in action 27 June) 4. Photo 112, FC (Nowara), nd 5. Woodman Collection (Jasta Pilots?), nd, but the weathering below the cockpit entrance suggests a later date than no. 3. The currently accepted benchmark version of the finish is as follows: with the exception of spinner and forward metal cowl panel, an all red fuselage, including struts, wheel covers, and tail group but for the elevator, where the exceptions are in the personal color of white. National markings are moderately overpainted. The photographs show the following: 1. Light spinner, cowl panel, engine cover, struts, and rudder. The visible wheel cover appears to have a dark circumferential band. The national markings are not overpainted. The overall effect is markedly similar to the Osprey Aces rendering of LvR's machine (the red band being indistinguishable, of course.) 2. As in photo 1, but with dark rudder and wheel covers. Fuselage metal areas are possibly not white but ex-works light gray (a comparison against the white cross border being in order). Landing gear, and possibly cabane struts, may also be overpainted. 3. Benchmark details, with the exception that elevator, the balance portion which appears to be visible, is also dark (presumably red), not white. 4. A close-up, but otherwise consistent with benchmark details. 5. Benchmark details, with a more visible fuselage cross outline than in no. 3. Admittedly, many machines seem to have existed in a number of different states over time. Willi Gabriel's Fok. D.VII is one that immediately comes to mind. If these photos indeed all depict a single mount of Allmenroder's, then the speculative time line accounting for at least three distinct states may have some validity, with the benchmark details being finalized when Allmenroder was given command of the Jasta between 13 May and 15 Jun 1917. Comments and rebuttals appreciated, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:04:05 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Tag/yard/rummage sales; kit finds. Message-ID: IPMS swap meets are a good source and hobby store od-bins (thats how I got my ByPlanes Snipe) Some yard sales are worthwhile more for books etc that may be for sale. One by product is that if you find interesting stuff to you, the original owner isnt far behind they sometimes once they know you are interested in OT will bring out things that were not originally for sale. Another good one are the dealers who usually set up shop at IPMS shows. Last one I went to I saw a Rareplanes Gotha and Airfix HP 0/400. Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Stephendigiacomo@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Tag/yard/rummage sales; kit finds. Before going on to the stated topic I wanted to point out to those in my area - (Hartford-Enfield, Connecticut) that Craftec Hobbies has -as is their wont - acquired an old man's model collection. There are a number of nifty oddballs such as 1930's Polish aircraft manufactured by a Polish company back in the Iron Curtain days and the quality of the two I peeked at - the boxes were not taped - was agreeable. They have a respectable stock of such oddities. I know, their price per for any of these kits - the ones I looked at were 1/72 - is in the five to seven dollar range, maybe a little pricey compared to running into such in Europe or at a private sale. Which brings me to the topic in the subject field. How much success has anyone had in acquiring model kits through tag sales/yard sales/rummage sales? I would like to hit these cheapo affairs often but never seem to have enough time available. (The old, perfectly good, heavy duty office chair I'm sitting on right now I picked up for one hundred cents at a tag sale.) Of the ten or so tag sales I've been to in the past two years, I've never encountered model kits. Just a matter of frequency and luck. ~Steve diGiacomo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:08:33 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Pegasus/Blue Max news Message-ID: I'm confused here, not unusual I know ;) I thought Silver Cloud would replace Blue Max, better quality etc. Are the two lines to continue together???? -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Matt Bittner Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Pegasus/Blue Max news Not sure how many people have subscribed to the new Pegasus email newsletter, but for those who haven't here's the latest. Their newest line - Silver Cloud - is now out with an off topic Spiteful. The next Pegasus *is* the SPAD 12 (woo hoo!!) but unfortunately no date is listed. Smart on their part I feel, but I'm impatient for it anyway. :-) The next Blue Max is the LVG C.VI, again no date listed. The next "Silver Cloud" will be the Seafang. I wonder (hope?) if the Silver Cloud will be used for non-WW1 models? Difficult to tell. I just want that SPAD 12 now, so it can collect dust quickest. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 12:15:08 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: do you still remember... Message-ID: <3A2A8DAB.6F596F4D@bellsouth.net> Cessna 757 tango tango! "yes I remember it well....." E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:16:33 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: do you still remember... Message-ID: <000901c05d5d$8f7f4c00$0d895ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Piper Cherokee: Charlie Golf - Quebec Golf Whiskey. I know for a fact though that she was an SE5a in a former incarnation. Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:27:32 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: do you still remember... Message-ID: <002101c05d5f$15d60e00$46f1aec7@default> N6563T 1961 C-150 Rwy #4 Lakaland Regional Spring of '78 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:23:06 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: www.rodenplant.com Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" >On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:46:37 -0500 (EST), Marc Flake wrote: > >>And here I thought I'd be making the switch to 1/48 with the coming >>new >>millenium. It turns out I now have more OT 1/72 kits in the to->>do pile >>than I did at the beginning of the year. Is it possible to >>have too >>much of a good thing? > >Bwahahahahahaha! ;-) Matt: Don't laugh too soon! I see they are testing the 1/48th scale waters with a Gloster Gladiator. Hopefully, they will serve both scales equally. I do not know how I'm goig to sneak all those kits in the house! What a glorious piece of news. Michael _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 11:34:44 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: do you still remember... Message-ID: <3A2AA054.BD5AB8E7@mars.ark.com> First flight: Auster Mark V, off the beach at Southport - and the second flight was in a Dragon Rapide at (then) Ringway. First military training flight was in RCAF Beech C-45 '1482' and first pilot lesson was in Fleet (not Curtiss...) Canuck 'CF-EBP'. And the dream should never die! I am now approaching 9,000 flying hours and yesterday I was flying around at 50 feet looking at the seals basking on the rocks - they were unperturbed and I was happy. Of course, it helps having an aeroplane that will land on water... Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:54:13 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: do you still remember... Message-ID: I well remember my first training flight, a J-3 Cub flying out of Natomas Field, a dirt duster strip north of Sacramento that was the shortest, narrowest strip in central California. I climbed in the back (had to learn from the back seat since that's where you solo it from) and we took off, a bumpy bounce over the cornfield, then a biiiiiiig bounce from the car exhausts as we passed over the freeway, then off we went. And then coming back was fun, get all set up on final and a great big Grumman Ag-Cat duster biplane makes a downwind landing right at us! Hard right bank, skittering off over the cornfields to do it again. Ended up doing my first 8 hours in the Cub, including learning to land at an unlighted field at night using reflectors beside the runway. Fun! But solo required an airplane with an electrical system, so into the old straight-back 150 with cageable gyros, and for-real spin training, something I absolutely believe was the single dumbest thing the FAA ever did regarding pilot training - no matter how much you study it in theory, until you have had your sunglasses slide off your nose in the pullout from a three-turn spin you do not know what to do really. A first spin is something you remember. Knowing that saved my life in another first time related here later. If you can get real spin training while you are learning, do so! The other first times best remembered were the first time in a Stearman - big and heavy, a real stick *and* rudder airplane, learning the "Stearman dance" on the rudder pedals to land it. Like they say, it's not landed till it's shut down, tied down and chocked down. Truly most memorable first time though was my first PIC in full IFR a week after I got my ticket, having never been in actual IFR before, Ontario to Sacramento in a statewide driving rainstorm, flying a V-tailed doctor-killer, and ATC routed me right into a cell in the line of thunderbumpers across the Tehachapi Mountains north of LA. Fortunately I was spit out on a northerly heading so I was past the mountain crest and had 4,000 more feet of sky to recover in, still only made it by 150 feet at the pullout. I was as wet by the time I got to Sacramento as if I had been flying through that storm in an open cockpit. Believe me, the ILS was *nailed* on that approach! But of it all, learning on that J-3 was good, because you learn very quickly that the sky really is an ocean. And the wheels really do "chirp" when they touch down in a full-stall 3-pointer on dirt and grass. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:21:55 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: do you still remember... Message-ID: <3A2AAB63.62A9EBD2@bellsouth.net> And my first instructor was Risto Untenen, from Finland. His accent made learning to fly even more challenging, like when he was teaching me to fly a rectangular course and he kept telling me to 'crap' into the wind. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:22:38 -0800 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Wolff's DIII was: Re: LvR's Albatros D.III? Message-ID: <200012032022.MAA16534@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Hi folks, Cyg sez: >Sharon Henderson is the Wolff expert here. However at the risk of >intruding on her turf, I think it is pretty well accepted that his >ship was an eggplant color. There may be written evidence. well, I guess I do know a bit about him... :-) There are a couple of places where this particular DIII is given the colour of a deep, eggplant-like purple (hence my tendency to think of it as a flying aubergine, the French word for eggplant...) And for all of the technical references, one of my most solid ones hasn't a picture in it at all. It's a novel, but bear with me on that. in the 1930s a writer using the pseudonym "Thor Goote" wrote a marvelous novel about Richthofen and his men at the height of their fame. It is called 'Rangehen ist Alles!' which (extremely loosely) translates to "The most important thing is getting up there", which any pilot can tell you is more than half the battle. :-) It literally means "Getting it up is everything!" (STOP that, Ernest Thomas, I can hear you all the way in Virginia. :-) And Mr. Burke, you likewise... ) Anyway, silliness aside, the novel is probably better than 90% factual, because it reads like whole slews of it were simply copied from people's letters -- as well it was. Reading the list of thank yous at the beginning of the book is like reading a who's who of the Jasta 11 family and friends network. These folks opened their homes to Goote and shared pictures, memorabilia, and (most importantly) letters from their pilot loved ones, because he had a letter of intro from Hermann Goering, who essentially comissioned the novel. So when you read things like Wolff having a eggplant-coloured airplane, you can believe it. (And for those who read German, and care about such things, there is a drop-dead fascinating look into the minds of both MvR and Wolff concerning patriotism and duty to one's country in a conversation they have very late one night while both are hospitalized in Courtrai and cannot sleep. The dialogue is basically lifted straight out of their letters and simply changed to reflect them speaking directly to one another rather than expostulating to the home-folks. Cool stuff...) Anyway, Neil O'Connor's Aviation Awards series has the pic in the Prussia volume of Wolff's purple DIII, hidden way in the back. It shows someone else in the cockpit while Wolff poses next to the wing. The national markings are indeed overpainted, to such a degree that they can almost not be seen -- which, as I've said before, explains perhaps how Lothar von Richthofen could have nearly shot down his friend and comrade during a dogfight early in April of 1917, believing this was not a German craft. :-) And while most prints of the pic are very dark and fuzzy, it's fairly clear the colour is darker than the ways in which red generally photograph. The plane probably had camo on the top wing, and a standard light blue underside to fuselage and wings and all. At least, that's how I'm modelling it for the cook-up, as I used my enforced semi-retirement to try and finish the bird... :-) Cheers, Sharon ------------------------------------------------------------ Powered by Microsith Lookout - http://www.microsith.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:27:33 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tag/yard/rummage sales; kit finds. Message-ID: <3A2AACB5.6D8CE090@bellsouth.net> Stephendigiacomo@aol.com wrote: > Which brings me to the topic in the subject field. How much success has > anyone had in acquiring model kits through tag sales/yard sales/rummage > sales? Best I've found was a bunch of really old control line models in the .19 to .35 range. Neat stuff, like probably a 'first edition' Ringmaster, a Nobler, and some combat wings. I had to walk away reminding myself that 1/48 OT took up enough time and space as far as swmbo was concerned. Boy, that Nobler was tempting. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:26:26 -0800 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: LvR's Albatros D.III? Message-ID: <200012032026.MAA16907@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Stef sez: >With respect to Wolff's machine, would that be fancy Italian >eggplant with variegated purple tending toward magenta or common >garden-variety black-purple eggplant? ;-) > >I will await the resident expert's brief on the matter. :-) Stef, I would officially state for the record it was the garden variety black-purple eggplant. However, half the Jastas believed the STEMS of said eggplants were factory-spec dried green -- while the other half, on the word of Voss' mechanic, swear they were dried yellow. The experts are still out on that. Tongue firmly in cheek, Sharon ------------------------------------------------------------ Powered by Microsith Lookout - http://www.microsith.com/ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2864 **********************