WWI Digest 2861 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Jack Gartner by MAnde72343@aol.com 2) RE: What Sells? by Shane Weier 3) Good Modeling Night by Brent & Tina Theobald 4) Re: Good Modeling Night by Ernest Thomas 5) RE: Sopwith Atlantic question by Shane Weier 6) Re: Matte Finish for Stainless Steel by smperry@mindspring.com 7) Re: Good Modeling Night by "Bob Pearson" 8) RE: Sopwith Atlantic question by "Ray Boorman" 9) Re: [RE: [RE: A good source of plans? Ilya Mourometz]] by Friedrich Kappes 10) Re: Sopwith Atlantic question by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 11) Re: Re:LvR's D-III by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 12) Re: Lafayette Escadrille book by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 13) Re: Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder! by Mark Miller 14) Benz Drawings? by "Dale Beamish" 15) Lothar von R's Fokker D.VIIs by "Matt Bittner" 16) RE: Sopwith Atlantic question by "Ray Boorman" 17) Re: Sopwith Atlantic question by "Bob Pearson" 18) Re: Benz Drawings? by "Dale Sebring" 19) Re: Benz Drawings? by "Dale Beamish" 20) the rest of the city goes home!!. Friedrichshafen G.lll by JVT7532@aol.com 21) Re: Sopwith Atlantic question by Scottfking@aol.com 22) Re: Roden Fokker E.V Photos by "Hans Trauner" 23) Re: WWI digest 2859 by JVT7532@aol.com 24) Re: Roden Fokker E.V Photos by smperry@mindspring.com 25) RE: Sopwith Atlantic question by "Ray Boorman" 26) Where's Eric of CSM? by Brent & Tina Theobald 27) CSM Swallow Photos by smperry@mindspring.com 28) Re: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! by "Limon3" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:03:58 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Jack Gartner Message-ID: <5f.d9fe887.2759ceae@aol.com> --part1_5f.d9fe887.2759ceae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did I miss the message where he said he'd be gone? I haven't seen a message from Jack Gartner in a while. Merrill --part1_5f.d9fe887.2759ceae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did I miss the message where he said he'd be gone? I haven't seen a message
from Jack Gartner in a while.
Merrill

--part1_5f.d9fe887.2759ceae_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:45:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: What Sells? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621D31@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Merril says: > Gross exaggeration, shame on you Shane. I'm an American, and > I came in on the > side of Allied aircraft, we're not all a bunch of closet whatevers! > Guilty M'lud. I should avoid these racial stereotypes :-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 00:59:19 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Good Modeling Night Message-ID: <3A289DC7.450D0F15@airmail.net> Howdy! We had a good modeling night here. How about ya'll? My three year old daughter and I built the old Monogram P-36. We put it on the stand and took turns blowing on the prop and making it spin. My son started and completed some Ban Dai robot. He's thrilled so I don't care what it is. I spent the rest of the night cleaning up a model of Old Ironsides I built 15+ years ago. It looks pretty good up there on the mantle. Tomorrow shall be entertaining when SWMBO sees it. The only OT modeling I did was a little work on Nather's Alb. Overall a very good and relaxing night of modeling after a very hectic week. I hope I can get some more in this weekend. 'Night ya'll! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 01:14:27 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good Modeling Night Message-ID: <3A28A152.CE161164@bellsouth.net> Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > Howdy! > > We had a good modeling night here. How about ya'll? I got the top wing on the Roland. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:17:12 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Atlantic question Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621D32@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Mark, > Determined to wring as many even quasi OT subjects out of this museum > commision as possible ;-) > Replies off list please. Nah, on list. Did you include "Southern Cross" in your Newfoundland aviation project? Charles Kingsford Smith (a WW1 fighter pilot - see,it IS OT) landed her there on 25 June 1930 after a 31 1/2 hour trans Atlantic flight from Ireland. Went on to New York the next day where they were met by tens of thousands of people, given a city reception and (eventually) set off to complete a non-stop crossing of the USA. When they got to San Francisco it completed the first circumnavigation of the globe by air - a feat which was widely appreciated at the time but has since been nearly forgotten even in his own country. Shane (PS - I think FROG made one, and I have photos of her, since she now sits in a hangar at Brisbane Airport) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 02:32:23 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Matte Finish for Stainless Steel Message-ID: <001a01c05c32$03ec1e60$2af9aec7@default> > After several years of the Army, and several more living in the South, I > caught myself saying 'y'all', I was afraid to talk for a week, for fear grits > would start pouring from my mouth. > Merrill Yankees, yankees. Y'all orta know better. Grits is for pourin IN the mouth, long with country ham n red eye gravy. Y'all eat good now y'heah and don't f'get ta finish yer collards. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 23:30:34 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good Modeling Night Message-ID: <200012020843.AAA19344@mail.rapidnet.net> I put itsy bitsy crewmen on HMS Buttercup. What? This isn't the ship list? Again. .. geez .. okay. .. OT. . next week I start on Italian Hanriot profiles courtesy of the currently unsubscribed Alberto Casirati. Bob ---------- > Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > >> Howdy! >> >> We had a good modeling night here. How about ya'll? > > I got the top wing on the Roland. > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:14:41 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith Atlantic question Message-ID: Shane you are correct Frog did make the Southern Cross along with the Alcock and Brown Vimy, Spirit of St Louis, Bleriot Monoplane and a Bristol High Altitude Aircraft. I think there were more aircraft in this series...... I can't remeber if frog or Airfix made the Comet Racer? Does anyone know if the modern "Silver Queen" Vimy replica is still planned to fly Alcock and Brown flight??, I read a while back that this was to be the third and final of the record breaking flights this Aircraft was to fly. btw does anyone know what Frog stands for? ;) Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Sopwith Atlantic question Mark, > Determined to wring as many even quasi OT subjects out of this museum > commision as possible ;-) > Replies off list please. Nah, on list. Did you include "Southern Cross" in your Newfoundland aviation project? Charles Kingsford Smith (a WW1 fighter pilot - see,it IS OT) landed her there on 25 June 1930 after a 31 1/2 hour trans Atlantic flight from Ireland. Went on to New York the next day where they were met by tens of thousands of people, given a city reception and (eventually) set off to complete a non-stop crossing of the USA. When they got to San Francisco it completed the first circumnavigation of the globe by air - a feat which was widely appreciated at the time but has since been nearly forgotten even in his own country. Shane (PS - I think FROG made one, and I have photos of her, since she now sits in a hangar at Brisbane Airport) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 00 11:52:45 MET From: Friedrich Kappes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: [RE: [RE: A good source of plans? Ilya Mourometz]] Message-ID: <20001202105245.2184.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Thank you, Matt! >Plus NKR carries them, and has some awesome prices and >service (at least to the US) is better than *almost all other* US hobby >shops. My "problem" is, that I do not live in the US, but in Germany... Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes Lots of nice links, pictures (photos, drawings, ...), book reviews, literature aids, a dictionary,... ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 22:53:40 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Atlantic question Message-ID: <3A28E2C4.52270522@tac.com.au> Ray Boorman wrote: > > btw does anyone know what Frog stands for? ;) > Ray C'mon Ray give us a hard question ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:18:58 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Re:LvR's D-III Message-ID: <007601c05c5a$0d990cc0$7538183f@cyrixp166> Interpreting color from b&w photos is a tricky business & I am not an expert. A lot of these photos are removed from the original by many generations. Just take an original and make a few copies of copies on any copier and you will get the idea of the changes that can happen to the image. I have seen photos of Albatri and you would swear the fuselage was stained dark. Then you get a different picture & it the wood is light. I say paint it the way you think is right. Keith Richards says "Paint it Black" Cyg. ;-) > My Uncle > has been in photography all of his life and is an expert > on film chemistry and when I asked him about this(using > the photo of Lothar in this plane and another > pilot(Baumer???) on a step-ladder)after showing him other > photos of the "yellowish" stained fuse D-III's, he said > that it wouldn't be that dark even on othochromatic film. > He said that while yellow can appear darker than normal, > it wouldn't be that dark. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:24:00 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille book Message-ID: <008101c05c5a$c09d9a20$7538183f@cyrixp166> My friend Scott has this book & I have read it though it was awhile ago. I don't recall Nungesser being mentioned. Let me know what you find. The photos are great & many of them were taken by Soubiran. I am not sure if the originals are sepia or if they were published that way. The C&C article has these and others. Regards, Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Calhoun To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:17 PM Subject: Lafayette Escadrille book > Hi all, > I just got a copy of "I flew with the Lafayette Escadrille" by Edwin C. > Parsons. It is a hardcover published in 1963. The best part of the book is > the many photos, although they are all sepia toned. Many photos of Nieuport > 11's & 17's, Spad 7's and all of the pilots. There are 80 illustrations > listed in the contents, quite a lot for a book of this type. There is an > excellent line drawing of the Nieuport 11 which states that "80 hp machines > were cream colored all over. And the 110 hp machines were camouflaged in > mottled light and dark brown with landscape imitations in light and dark > green. This pattern varied considerably with some photographs showing a > definite break between the colors, with others showing a blending of colors > as if sprayed on." > The 110 hp machines are actually N.16's I believe, so if the engine > determined the color of the aircraft, it would be safe to say that all the > clear doped machines were N.11's and all the camouflaged ones were N.16's. > Cyg: No photos of Nungesser, and no index, but after reading the book I will > let you know what it mentions about him. > I got the book on Abebooks.com for a reasonable price, and this book is > probably available in most libraries in the US. > Dave Calhoun > > ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2000 06:56:50 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder! Message-ID: <20001202145650.5121.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Fri, 01 December 2000, "Edward Swaim" wrote: > I did, but at a liberal arts college, so they didn't teach me any saleable > skills. Had to go to law school for that! > > My mother keeps saying "I wish you still did your art," to which I reply > "Look at all these models!" I also was an art major at a liberal arts college Washington University at St Loius Mo. class of 81 Sometimes I think I would have done better artisticaly if I had skipped college and stayed at home - my dad was my high school art teacher and I learned far more from him than anybody else. I did like the liberal arts courses though Your mother and mine should get together and compare notes - they sound like they have a lot in common. That "look at all these models" line would probably get me smacked in the head though :-) model making is definitly considered a waste of time by all my female relations Not that I've actualy made any models lately - but I think they look at the CAD work with the same attitude. I still do some painting - but not very often :-( Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:22:53 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Benz Drawings? Message-ID: <006c01c05c74$c33a1820$312eb8a1@darcy> Help ....does anyone have a drawing of either the 160 hp or 200 hp version of the Benz the wouldn't mind scanning for me? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:39:40 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Lothar von R's Fokker D.VIIs Message-ID: <200012021539.HAA07019@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> This is being forwarded from Greg VanWyngarden with his permission. ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== Lothar von Richthofen and the Fokker D.VII - Greg VanWyngarden First of all, one has to understand about two different Fokkers flown by Hermann Goering to understand where some erroneous beliefs about "Lothar's" Fokker came from. On 18 July 1918 Goering shot down a Spad for his 22nd and last victory; he was by then commander of JG I. His combat report survives and appears on page 192 of Jagd in Flanderns Himmel, and the Fokker is listed as D.VII F 294/18, and described as having a red forward fuselage with a yellow tail. This was obviously a Jasta 11 machine with a red nose, and a yellow tail as an individual marking. Whether or not it had actually been painted up for Goering is not known, but it seems unlikely - he was probably just flying it on this occasion; he had only been appointed JG I commander a week earlier. The yellow tail has produced suggestions that this D VII was being prepared for Lothar, but again there is no proof of that. Lothar returned to Jasta 11 about 19 July, but by his own account his return was somewhat unexpected, and he had to avoid going through the proper channels in order to return. His first flight was in a D.VII which was difficult, "since all the controls had been installed the wrong way for me.." and it was a new type to him anyway - so it seems unlikely indeed that a D.VII was prepared for Lothar's return before he arrived. However, the yellow tail description for 294/18 was well-known, and in the old Harleyford book on Von Richthofen and the Flying Circus, (at least in my 1964 3rd edition) they printed the well-known photo of Goering walking around a D VII with a light-colored fuselage aft of the cockpit, and dark nose, and mistakenly captioned it as 294/18 with "red wings and fuselage forward of the cockpit was simlarly painted; aft, the fuselage was yellow". This is very erroneous, and they compounded the error by saying on page 132 that this "machine that had been prepared for Lothar von Richthofen"; given the state of research and knowledge at the time, these mistakes are understandable. Over the years, others (including myself in the old Aerodrome Modeler days, I'm afraid) took this description and photo and ran with it, producing b/w and even color profiles of a red-nosed D.VII with yellow fuselage and tail aft of the cockpit, even extending the yellow to the fin and rudder. These depictions are obviously mistaken. Alex Imrie has revealed that the photo of Goering walking around a D VII actually depicts D.VIIF 4253/18 (this is based on an inspection of the Werk Nummer 2954 at the base of the rudder in a clear print), and that it had a red forward fuselage, wheels and struts as per Jasta 11 practice, but the wings remained standard lozenge fabric, and the aft fuselage was Goering's usual white color.This same machine had earlier been flown by Udet, but Goering repainted part of it. Goering scored no victories in this machine, but he obviously flew it as the cockpit area and guns were modified especially for him, and there is motion picture film (taken by Tony Fokker) of Goering in the cockpit of this machine, removing his flying helmet. Now, as to Lothar, I know of photos of him with only two D.VIIs. The first is the familiar 244/18 of Jasta 10, which was the subject of a series of photos of Lothar and his father. This machine was actually the usual aircraft of Aloys Heldmann (there are combat reports and interviews with Heldmann himself to prove this) and Lothar was just borrowing it on this occasion - perhaps this was one of the 'unfamiliar' machines he was forced to fly on his return to JG I. At any rate, it bore the yellow nose of Jasta 10 and Heldmann's black/white checkerboard tailplane. Later on, as commander of Jasta 11 in early August, Lothar flew, and pranged, a D.VII he off-handedly describes as "my lovely red bird" .He landed it at too high a speed and taxied it into a tent, breaking the wing, on 8 August. Later that day he borrowed Ltn. Erich Just's machine. Now, just how much of the "lovely red bird" was red is anybody's guess - as Jasta 11 CO, he may have had an entirely red fuselage and tail, or perhaps the tail was yellow - who knows ?? There is a photo (see Over the Front, Vol. 14 No. 3, page 239) which shows Lothar and Otto Foerster in front of a D VII which seems to have a dark-painted fuselage - but was this Lothar's a/c, or Foerster's, or simply a convenient backdrop for an impromptu photo ? I sure don't know. Thus, there is little concrete info on any of Lothar's D VII, except for Heldmann's which he borrowed on one (or pehaps more) occasion(s). Sorry, but such are the vagaries of preservation of photographs and documentation from Germany's final months of air war some 82 years ago. I suggest the following references: "My Last Time at the Front", by Lothar von Richthofen, translated by Jan Hayzlett, Over the Front Vol. 14 No. 3, 1999. "The Combat Records of Hermann Goring", by Frank Olynyk, Over the Front, Vol. 10, No. 3, 1995. Von Richthofen's Flying Circus by Greg VanWyngarden, Albatros Productions, 1995 (sorry to blow my own horn !). ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:44:04 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith Atlantic question Message-ID: Shane, Ok then what OT subject is said to be the rarest of Airfix models. With only 100 or so produced. The model has its basis as an OT aircraft but was released as a Civil ot version?? Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Shane & Lorna Jenkins Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 3:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sopwith Atlantic question Ray Boorman wrote: > > btw does anyone know what Frog stands for? ;) > Ray C'mon Ray give us a hard question ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 07:53:36 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Atlantic question Message-ID: <200012021706.JAA28832@mail.rapidnet.net> Uhm ... Sopwith Dove? Bob ---------- > Shane, > Ok then what OT subject is said to be the rarest of Airfix models. With only > 100 or so produced. > The model has its basis as an OT aircraft but was released as a Civil ot > version?? > > Ray > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:00:13 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Benz Drawings? Message-ID: <003501c05c78$f54d7920$aea58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Beamish" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 8:38 AM Subject: Benz Drawings? > Help ....does anyone have a drawing of either the 160 hp or 200 hp version > of the Benz the wouldn't mind scanning for me? > Dale Dale...I can copy the Wylam 160 & 180 Mercedes-but I believe that is a horse of a differnt collar. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:41:04 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Benz Drawings? Message-ID: <00a701c05c7e$f16a8ae0$312eb8a1@darcy> Dale > Dale...I can copy the Wylam 160 & 180 Mercedes-but I believe that is a horse > of a differnt collar. Completely different animal ... :-) I have the Mercedes drawings, The Benz had the rockers and pushrods all on one side. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:56:34 EST From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: the rest of the city goes home!!. Friedrichshafen G.lll Message-ID: <33.d552248.275a83c2@aol.com> In a message dated 12/1/2000 7:24:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << .my home city just got effectively shut down by the first snowstorm of the year. 16 cms so far with another 20 due over night whipped into nice inpenetrable whiteouts by 90 kph winds. As a reporter I stay on at work while the rest of the city goes home. .hence the off colour comment. My apologies, we're getting a bit sitr crazy with the snow howling outside.) >> Hi Mark, You know not everyone gets to go home, I bet your really glad your not a fireman in that weather eh! We don't get to go home, we get to do what everyone else cannot do. Back on topic I am getting ready to order some decals from A.G. and was wondering what would be appropriate for a Friedrichshafen G.lll, I have the Sierra Scale 1/72 vac kit. Any ideas for a good looking scheme? I have no reference material on this aircraft at this time but since I'm going to order from A.G. I figured the list has enough people who have all the info needed to order the right sets of decals for it. Thanks a bunch. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:58:47 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Atlantic question Message-ID: <86.3a9b8c1.275a8447@aol.com> In a message dated 12/2/00 3:21:30 AM EST, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << . I can't remeber if frog or Airfix made the Comet Racer? >> It was Airfix, the kit is available again at Squadron and Model Expo <> Flies Right Off Ground? I think the old FROG company marketed gum band powered models way back before WW2 Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 18:08:27 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Roden Fokker E.V Photos Message-ID: <001201c05c82$7d305fc0$95a072d4@custom-pc> Great work! But, as it is a Roden/Toko-Kit: Did the struts fit od did you have to make new ones? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:13:35 EST From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 2859 Message-ID: <86.3a6e5e4.275a87bf@aol.com> In a message dated 12/1/2000 7:24:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << I have the same Brisfit kit, and was able to take care of it by merely sanding the ripples out between layered sprayings of Gunze Mr. Surfacer 500. Of course, I lost all those nice rib tapes in the process, but was able to make new ones by masking with narrow strips of tape and spraying more Surfacer rather thickly on appropriately spaced gaps, sanding resulting ridges level, then scoring down the middle with an X-Acto for the stitching. It worked nicely. Bucky >> Thanks Bucky, I will take this into serious consideration, it sounds like it would certainly be easier to do than making totally new wings for sure. And to every one of you on the list I say thank you very much for the help, this list is the very best, Thanks everyone you are all great, I sit here everyday like a sponge and try to absorb as much info as possible, hopefully someday I will be able to actually contribute something helpful. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:26:44 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Roden Fokker E.V Photos Message-ID: <001901c05c85$0b4bd9e0$07f2aec7@default> > Great work! But, as it is a Roden/Toko-Kit: Did the struts fit od did you > have to make new ones? > > Hans > Thanks Hans. The struts fit correctly. Some care needs to be taken to keep track of which one goes where. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:26:33 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith Atlantic question Message-ID: Cooorrect give the man an Airfix DR1..... That by the way is why they called the first range of plastic Models of the late 30's "Penguin". As in can't fly ;) Ray SR (Still reading) Scratchbuilt... -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Scottfking@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 9:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sopwith Atlantic question In a message dated 12/2/00 3:21:30 AM EST, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << . I can't remeber if frog or Airfix made the Comet Racer? >> It was Airfix, the kit is available again at Squadron and Model Expo <> Flies Right Off Ground? I think the old FROG company marketed gum band powered models way back before WW2 Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 11:53:52 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Where's Eric of CSM? Message-ID: <3A293730.5DC062C9@airmail.net> I haven't heard anything from Eric in a while. I guess he's busy getting our Gotha ready. C'mon Eric! This is supposed to be my Christmas present. Have a good weekend everyone! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:49:32 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: CSM Swallow Photos Message-ID: <000901c05c90$9d163c20$bef0aec7@default> I finished the CSM Sopwith Swallow this morning. Excellent kit Eric. I sure enjoyed building it. This kit started out as one of BvB's victims. Both wing panels snapped in two. One fuselage half snapped in two the other in three, the stab in two, the PE bent and white metal twisted. Eric kindly replaced the decals. Alchemy triumphs over bitchery. sp http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/swa.htm E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:03:53 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Message-ID: <00d001c05c92$9dfda400$92f7303f@f4w2s5> Hi Mike, I'd appreciate it if you would let me know when they're available, I sure would like some. Regards, Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Mike Franklin To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! >> Alberto, >> now if we could only get some decal maker to produce those lovely and >> unique squadriglia markings for the Hanriot. >> Gabe > >I am working on just such a set. Will be available in all scales. > >Mike Franklin >Bellingham, WA USA > >"No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit" > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2861 **********************