WWI Digest 2823 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: DVa wing tip conflict by "Bob Pearson" 2) Re: Frame fittings by Ernest Thomas 3) RE: Frame fittings by "Ray Boorman" 4) Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay by Zulis@aol.com 6) Re: Cockpits Volume 1 by Todd Hayes 7) Re: DVa wing tip conflict by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay by "Dale Beamish" 9) HP 0400 on Ebay by "Ray Boorman" 10) Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay by "Patrick Gilmore" 12) Re: HP 0400 on Ebay by "Mike Dicianna" 13) Re: Jacobs -god of the North wind by "Stefen Karver" 14) 1:48 Ilya Murometz by Todd Hayes 15) S.E.5 Questions by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: S.E.5 Questions by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: S.E.5 Questions by "David Calhoun" 18) Sunday was way too quiet!! by "Candice Uhlir" 19) RE: My Modeling Days are Over! by Shane Weier 20) RE: DVa wing tip conflict by Shane Weier 21) RE: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay by Shane Weier 22) Re: S.E.5 Questions by Todd Hayes 23) Re: DVa wing tip conflict by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Canadian SE5a's by "Ray Boorman" 25) Re: S.E.5 Questions by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 26) Re: S.E.5 Questions by "DAVID BURKE" 27) Re: S.E.5 Questions by "Bob Pearson" 28) RE: Sunday was way too quiet!! by "Gaston Graf" 29) Re: Sopwith question by "Andy Kemp" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:34:47 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DVa wing tip conflict Message-ID: <200011200058.QAA06397@mail.rapidnet.net> > The biggest Datafile whopper I've studied was #2 Sopwith Pup. Most sources > give the span as 26' 6" . This would be 6 5/8" in 1/48. The drawings measure > out at 6 11/64". Almost 5/16" to short! That's just shy of a scale foot and > half, which is considerable.( maybe the reprint has this corrected?) > RK Does this take into consideration the dihedral? That could shorten the apparent length Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:30:47 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Frame fittings Message-ID: <3A1870B6.6D0CD86@bellsouth.net> Ray, All of what you say is true. However, I think Steve was asking specifically about the fittings on the fuselage structure that attach the uprights and cross members to the longerons. These would all be internal, therefore not likely to be painter PC10, or any other color than whatever color they were when they left the factory. It would make sense that any external fittings would sooner or later end up being painted the same color as the surface they're attached to, wether it was during production, or done in the field as part of a repair job. E. Ray Boorman wrote: > Oops forgot to give page numbers so others can look at the pictures I was > looking at. Pup DF Special colour pictures are on pages 33 and 34 and show > interplane struts and fittings. However page 14 has a colour photo of the > landing gear and that appears dark grey or black. As in Stove enameled or > Jappaned (SP). This didnt make sense to me. However in my garage I have a 40 > year old Norton motorcycle, that I swear will get put back together and > restored one day (hehe yeah right and pigs might fly). Anyway the frame on > that is stove enameled but some of the fittings are just painted. If I > remember right the reason for this was down to cost. As in big frame easy to > dip and bake, small parts and fittings are not. Therefore Some of the > fittings may only have been painted on these aircraft to speed production > time and cost. Also one last point I have it on good authority from family > members who were in the services that when erks had paint pots they > sometimes would paint everything in sight that didnt move. So when wings > were re dopped etc maybe the fittings got painted too. Yep lousy theory but > it might explain why there seems to be no ryme or reason to why fittings > appear different colours. > > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Ray Boorman > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 1:18 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Frame fittings > > In the PUP DF special, they appear the same colour as the surface they are > connected too. Ie PC10. The few colour photo's show this clearly. The under > surface mountings appear pale grey/brown almost matches the cdl undersurface > which doesnt make sense?? Anyway all the shades appear slightly darker > because of the difference in material. As in Fittings are metal and the > flying surfaces are doped linen. > > hth's Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:34:43 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Frame fittings Message-ID: E, Duhhhh, See what happens if I try to read or think before midday. Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Ernest Thomas Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 4:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Frame fittings Ray, All of what you say is true. However, I think Steve was asking specifically about the fittings on the fuselage structure that attach the uprights and cross members to the longerons. These would all be internal, therefore not likely to be painter PC10, or any other color than whatever color they were when they left the factory. It would make sense that any external fittings would sooner or later end up being painted the same color as the surface they're attached to, wether it was during production, or done in the field as part of a repair job. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:39:56 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay Message-ID: <3A1872DB.9AD6F8EF@bellsouth.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > A D.VII is up for auction. Is anyone on the list bidding on this? I could use one of these for my new swabs markings, but I won't get into a bidding war with my friends, unless it's DB. :-) Lmk. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:45:48 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay Message-ID: Paraphrasing slightly.... check the list! :-) WWI List ebay Handles achound = panz-meador@vsti.com (Phillip D. Anz-Meador) aew = Allan Wright amadonRI = Gerry McOsker asilid = Eric Fisher austineers = Richard Eaton Biggles = Brad Gossen braille_scale_modeler = Paul A. Schwartzkopf Brent-o = Brent Theobald cam27 = Cameron Riley cduckworth = Charles Duckworth channard = Mark Shanks davecww1 = Dave Calhoun davekim = Dave Sterner Redfokker = Mike Dicianna fflt = Jon V. Theisen fighter2 = Shane Weier fokker = David Watts furzball = David Laws graham3 = Graham Nash hagerupk = K. Hagerup ID veejay124 = Mark Vaughan-Jackson ipms4450 = Russ Niles JastaElf = Sharon Henderson jberlien = Jack Berlien kzelnick@tcainternet.com = Kenneth Zelnick lejeune = Fernando Lamas Lothar = John Glaser MACFARB = MacFarb Macsporran = Sandy Adam mbittner = Matt Bittner modeleral@up-link.net = Al Superczynski modelhound = Mike Franklin Moritz1 = David Layton Nieuport29 = Mike Fletcher phoward@abilene.com = P. Howard roguerpj@black-hole.com = Rob Johnson Sopwith5f1 = Bob Pearson Sopwithdolphin = Ray Boorman tskio4@home.com = Tom Solinksi Viper32 = Rob Woodbury Vulture2 = Dave Zulis winks147 = Kevin Wenker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:48:36 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cockpits Volume 1 Message-ID: <20001120004836.30297.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Squadron and APC Hobbies both carry the "Cockpit Profiles" series. TH --- Brian Nicklas wrote: > > Michael, > Chris Mikesh at Nostalgic Plastic had these. > Don't know if he has all of the volumes currently, > but he did have a few > last I noticed. > Brian > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:14:13 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DVa wing tip conflict Message-ID: <58.388e916.2749d4e5@aol.com> In a message dated 11/19/00 3:49:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: << > The biggest Datafile whopper I've studied was #2 Sopwith Pup. Most sources > give the span as 26' 6" . This would be 6 5/8" in 1/48. The drawings measure > out at 6 11/64". Almost 5/16" to short! That's just shy of a scale foot and > half, which is considerable.( maybe the reprint has this corrected?) > RK Does this take into consideration the dihedral? That could shorten the apparent length Bob >> Yep. I gave the span only because I'm lazy, but the rest of the dims also check out all squirrely. The drawing may be in scale with itself, maybe not, but as a whole, it's too small all way 'round. Anybody laying a set of kit parts on it will go into shock and horror at the thought of all the plastic they'll have to hack away to make it really "correct"...unless the kit makers forgot to check for themselves and made a kit that matched the drawings. Then I would go into shock and horror at the thought of all that new plastic I would have to add...or just cuss to myself and scratchbuild. I usually don't worry about a few scales inches here or there, but things more than a foot off on something the size of the average WW I fighter......ooooooooo, I go all chivery! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:11:39 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay Message-ID: <00c401c0528f$0f780a20$c52bb8a1@darcy> > Paraphrasing slightly.... check the list! :-) > > WWI List ebay Handles And mine .... Dale Beamish ..... lozenge1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:18:52 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "wwi" Subject: HP 0400 on Ebay Message-ID: Not mine, and I have one anyway, but noticed this for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=494684719 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:50:25 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay Message-ID: <3A188360.88F0DE44@bellsouth.net> Cool. Looks like no friends are going after it. Guess I need to add my own ebay handle to the list; 'bitemedave'. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:58:38 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay Message-ID: <006401c05295$6657aac0$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Sure wish they would re-issue this dang kit. You can get the other "Knights of the Sky" series all over the place, just not the DVII. Seems sort of odd. Patrick Gilmore ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 7:42 PM Subject: Re: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay > > > John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > > A D.VII is up for auction. > > Is anyone on the list bidding on this? I could use one of these for my > new swabs markings, but I won't get into a bidding war with my friends, > unless it's DB. :-) > Lmk. > E. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:21:38 -0800 From: "Mike Dicianna" To: Subject: Re: HP 0400 on Ebay Message-ID: <009b01c05298$9d93f540$5a7f3ace@pavilion> I have HP 0/400 that was up for a trade about a year ago that never came to fruition. I have been thinking of putting it out to the Ebay lemmings since they are going for $40 or so. I also have a "Air lines" (frog) Vimy that I've been thinking of posting. Put these out to the group first.... any takers? MikeDC "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 5:25 PM Subject: HP 0400 on Ebay > Not mine, and I have one anyway, but noticed this for sale. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=494684719 > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:57:37 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Jacobs -god of the North wind Message-ID: <012701c05302$40455720$446dd6d8@stephen> "Steve Lawson" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:14 PM | It is enough for me as a historian first to accept Jacobs own description. Which is what precisely, and where and when published, if you please (see below). | For modelers you can't go wrong with the DML interpretation in their decals for kit #5906 1/48 Fok. Dr.I. Which is what exactly, since not all us poor modelers buy every kit to have their decals as scholarly reference material. | The Super Scale decals are more in characture [sic] form and they (with willful ignorance) deviated from Dan Abbott's recommendations. I believe Mr. Abbott rather prefers the honorific he was given: Dan-San. And his recommendations are what exactly and where can poor plastic maniacs find them published? | Americal /Gryphon 's Jacobs sheet is somewhat simplistic And there is the problem with decals. | but so was this particular marking in its original form. Which makes the A/G representation accurate...or what? | The balance of Greg Van Wyngarden's reply to Matt Bittner Nov.12, 2000 is right on. Although I searched the List Archive I could not find GvW's reply. | I would add that the "god of the North wind" is not satanic in origin. Which would make R. Rimell's version, with its little calf horns incorrect? But then, as another contributor noted, Jacobs himself referred to his emblem as a devil's head (teufelkopf). So that's a problem, especially since if one is looking for brick-and-mortar historical truths, the source of this rendering comes from an impeccable stable of real professional historians. (The wings aren't terribly well done either, are they?) | At best it is a copy if a turn of the century illustration probably found in a child's story book. Cheap Internet speculation? | It represents one of the four winds detailed in Norse mythology. The winds were allied to the Frost Giants If so then why is the chap a blowing hot flames out of his mouth (or is that just RR again)? | Jacobs described the piece in Red , White, Yellow and Brown with a grey-fleshy face. Another post suggested that Jacobs had actually drawn a version of the figure, possibly providing color notes for all its elements. Yours suggests he may have specified a hue only the face (could it be blue-gray, by the way?) and that the distribution of the balance of the colors may be a matter of conjecture (in which case a study of emulsion sensitivity may be worth the fatigue it engenders). Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:03:03 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 1:48 Ilya Murometz Message-ID: <20001120040303.64061.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Oleg Kasapkin of Avia Press informed me that Master Club is doing the Murometz in 1:48. The Voisan is still not ready. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:12:00 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: S.E.5 Questions Message-ID: <004101c052a8$0937a940$2de779a5@com> Hi Guys, When I got the Lindberg S.E.5a kit, it came with U.S. markings. Did the USAS use them in combat? How many? Which type was Mick Mannock's AC with the red LVG spinner? Was it a S.E.5 or 5a? Are his markings on any of the A/G sheets? Figured I'd do my CSM kit as Mannock's. DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:28:07 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: S.E.5 Questions Message-ID: <76.50ae3ce.274a0257@aol.com> In a message dated 11/19/00 8:13:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << When I got the Lindberg S.E.5a kit, it came with U.S. markings. Did the USAS use them in combat? How many? >> No combat, but IIRC, one patrol was flown Nov 10 or 11 with nothing happening. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:37:05 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: S.E.5 Questions Message-ID: <003801c052c4$af9948e0$be093ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Dave, I always thought McCudden flew the SE5a with red spinner. Decals for this are available on Americals 56 squadron sheet. The Lindberg kit can be used to make McCudden's aircraft with a little work. The SE5 was used earlier, probably Albert Ball (56 sqd) & Billy Bishop (60 sqd?) were the most famous aces flying these. Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: S.E.5 Questions > Hi Guys, > > When I got the Lindberg S.E.5a kit, it came with U.S. markings. Did the > USAS use them in combat? How many? > > Which type was Mick Mannock's AC with the red LVG spinner? Was it a > S.E.5 or 5a? Are his markings on any of the A/G sheets? > > Figured I'd do my CSM kit as Mannock's. > > > DB > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:45:27 GMT From: "Candice Uhlir" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sunday was way too quiet!! Message-ID: Are you guys out there?? Candice _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:01:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: My Modeling Days are Over! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621CB7@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt lives a life of luxury: > Do what I do. Although I don't have to be to work until 7:00am, I get > up at 0400 and, after showering, model until about 6:30. Gawd. I get up at 4:30 and start work at 6:30 (except on days when I'm busy and need to start early) Mmmmm, if I got up at 2:15, I could get some modelling in before work too. Shane (I really *have* to get a job which includes a life) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:21:08 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: DVa wing tip conflict Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621CB9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> RK says: > Anybody laying a set of kit > parts on it will go into shock and horror at the thought of > all the plastic > they'll have to hack away to make it really > "correct"... Anyone guilty of laying kit parts on plans to determine whether the kit parts are "correct" deserves all the pain he gets. I know it's a couple of years since we went over this, so it's worth noting that in doing so you are merely assuming that the draftsman working for the publisher is smarter than the draftsman working for the manufacturer - and experience will eventually show that it ain't necessarily so. FWIW you can be just as easily fooled by published dimensions, because (for example) there are a neat selection of different ways to measure the length of an aircraft, but *which* method is seldom provided with the dimensions and they can cause quite major discrepancies I concur with RK when he says: > I usually don't > worry about a few scales inches here or there, but things > more than a foot off on something the size of the average WW I > fighter......ooooooooo, I go all chivery! ...with the caveat that measured dimensions quoted in various references may well vary as much or more than a foot, and determining just which reference to believe can make me all ch..chivery too :-( Shane (who respects Ian Stairs WW1 collection above any other draftsman, but has detected a decent share of major and minor errors in them too) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:22:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621CBA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Patrick > Sure wish they would re-issue this dang kit. You can get the > other "Knights > of the Sky" series all over the place, just not the DVII. > Seems sort of odd. That'll be because of people like me hoarding them for my JG.I project ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:28:28 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: S.E.5 Questions Message-ID: <20001120052828.76628.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, I thought it was McCudden that had the red LVG spinner on his SE5a. So far, none of the a/g sheets I have include markings for Mannock. Americals does excellent 56 squadron decal sets for SE's. They also do an SE5/5a sheet for 1 squadron. I was thinking about doing my CSM kit as Ball's a/c. The Se5a, I believe, equipped one AEF squadron, and it never saw combat. That's the unit represented in the Linberg kit. TH --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > Hi Guys, > > When I got the Lindberg S.E.5a kit, it came with > U.S. markings. Did the > USAS use them in combat? How many? > > Which type was Mick Mannock's AC with the red > LVG spinner? Was it a > S.E.5 or 5a? Are his markings on any of the A/G > sheets? > > Figured I'd do my CSM kit as Mannock's. > > > DB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:13:53 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DVa wing tip conflict Message-ID: In a message dated 11/19/00 9:24:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << ..with the caveat that measured dimensions quoted in various references may well vary as much or more than a foot, and determining just which reference to believe can make me all ch..chivery too :-( Shane (who respects Ian Stairs WW1 collection above any other draftsman, but has detected a decent share of major and minor errors in them too) >> At some point, assuming a "Machine A" existed, and the several, or however many were built, dimensions existed too. Short of reading a bowl full of flaming chicken guts during a dark moon, you do have to work with what is available.This is where especially WW I Aero comes in handy because they often have notes and explanations about how particular measurements were derived, from what points, during what time frame, if derived from factory working drawings or measurements from existing machines. Gather as much stuff as can be, and dive in. And I concur completely about Stair. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:55:22 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "wwi" Subject: Canadian SE5a's Message-ID: All the talk of SE5a Markings got me searching the web. How about this for a Canadian SE5a. http://aviart.tcel.com/pge-se5a.htm If you haven't been to this site, there a few OT items hidden away. http://aviart.tcel.com/cover-pg.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:49:52 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: S.E.5 Questions Message-ID: In a message dated 11/19/00 11:13:51 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << Figured I'd do my CSM kit as Mannock's. >> Thank God! You only use the Lindberg kit as spare parts for scratchbuilding projects. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:20:53 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: S.E.5 Questions Message-ID: <002f01c052ca$ce3ab800$a5ec79a5@com> Whoops! Yes, I apologise - the red-spinnered SE is McCudden's. Since the book I was looking at has Mannock's and McCudden's stories side by side, I got 'em confused. My Mannock color plate shows the aircraft letter ('A') on the upper starboard wing. Would it also have appeared on the under-starboard wing too? This is for D 278. TIA! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:04:57 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: S.E.5 Questions Message-ID: <200011201016.CAA22760@mail.rapidnet.net> Gee, and what book would that be from? Mannocks SE5a D278 was conjectural, the form and location were based on other SE5as from No.74 Sqn, but it can be assumed that the letter is on the lower wing Bob > My Mannock color plate shows the aircraft letter ('A') on the upper > starboard wing. Would it also have appeared on the under-starboard wing > too? This is for D 278. > > > TIA! > > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:28:04 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Sunday was way too quiet!! Message-ID: Yuk - Luxembourg Outpost still receives all the messages here. 'Twas rather quiet on the weekend like it is on all the weekends but it was not dead. end of transmission Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Candice Uhlir > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 5:50 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Sunday was way too quiet!! > > > Are you guys out there?? > > Candice > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:41:44 -0000 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith question Message-ID: <008101c052d6$19e52320$55266cd5@5120> 44 Sqn had a number of Camels painted grey overall - an attempt at night camouflage ... Andy > I have yet to see any Sopwiths with > grey fabric that was not part of a marking ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2823 **********************