WWI Digest 2822 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Model Builders Unite! by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 2) Re: decal removal by Lee Mensinger 3) Re: Model Builders Unite! by Al Superczynski 4) Re: Tanks R ME by GRBroman@aol.com 5) RE: My Modeling Days are Over! by Shane Weier 6) RE: Frame fittings by Shane Weier 7) Re: decal removal by "Dale Beamish" 8) Re: Cockpits Volume 1 by Ernest Thomas 9) DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 10) Re: Model Builders Unite! by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 11) Re: Cockpits Volume 1 by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: Model Builders Unite! by Al Superczynski 13) Re: My Modeling Days are Over! by "Tom Solinski" 14) Modeling Days Over? by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: decal removal by "Michael S. Alvarado" 16) Re: Frame fittings by Eli Geher 17) RE: Frame fittings by "Ray Boorman" 18) Re: My Modeling Days are Over! by "Matt Bittner" 19) Re: Tanks R ME by "Matt Bittner" 20) RE: Frame fittings by "Ray Boorman" 21) RE: My Modeling Days are Over! by "Ray Boorman" 22) Re: Cockpits Volume 1 by "Brian Nicklas" 23) Re: Frame fittings by smperry@mindspring.com 24) Re: My Modeling Days are Over! by smperry@mindspring.com 25) Re: Model Builders Unite! by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 26) Re: Model Builders Unite! by smperry@mindspring.com 27) Re: DVa wing tip conflict by "Stefen Karver" 28) plug for av-art show wasRe: My Modeling Days are Over! by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Avia Press by Todd Hayes 30) Silverbird Christmas Clearance by Todd Hayes 31) Re: Sopwith question by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:27:00 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Builders Unite! Message-ID: Well, there is a school of thought which says that the shining ends justify the filthiest means. In a message dated 11/19/2000 7:22:30 PM, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << This will only work if Gore takes it. If it goes to Bush, then best we can hope for is to be targeted as just one more leftist group that's tugging at the threads of the American moral fabric. But this would get us the sympathy and support of all those other leftist groups that are tugging at the threads. Tough call. E. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:48:52 -0600 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: decal removal Message-ID: <3A182EA4.EA08D6C1@x25.net> My son finally came home, and, he said that a product called POLLY'S REMOVER will work. I do believe it also takes off paint quite easily. I know he uses it to take paint off of Model Cars. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX Dale Sebring wrote: > Hello all, > How should I remove decals (loz) from an aircraft? > TIA, > Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:46:09 -0600 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Builders Unite! Message-ID: <7dbg1tgi346fhvmc4o7a1roe9gisaq0i8o@4ax.com> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:32:22 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >...there is a school of thought which says that the shining ends justify >the filthiest means. Yeah, by the same guy that said that those who cast the votes mean nothing but those who "count" the votes mean everything..... Al ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:48:20 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tanks R ME Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/2000 7:52:52 PM EST, r_niles1@juno.com writes: > Glen > >From where and whom is your book on the FT17 available? Russ, it's published by Darlington Productions in their Museum Ordnance series. They have a website www.darlingtonproductions.com, but it isn't listed yet. Retail should be under US $9. Any hobby shop or book store that carries Darlington's books would likely have it on the shelf when it comes out. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:52:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: My Modeling Days are Over! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621CB4@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP > Taking periodic breaks from the bench and running errands for > BvB also buys > some forbearance, but I feel like an Aussie with the exchange rate ;-) > ROTFL... Unfortunately the equivalent exchange rate here does nothing for me either. Shane (waiting for either candidate to actually do the things he promised. Our exchange rate will soar) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:55:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Frame fittings Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621CB5@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Steve theorises: > FWIW, I would guess, judging from just about all military > equipment ferrous > metal fittings of the period, e.g., saddles, rifles, gun > belts, that these on > the Sopwith would have been anodized or some such. Metal fittings on British built aircraft were specified to be "Japanned" FWIW this should make them black though I see plenty of photos where they apparently aren't FWIW (2) japanning is a form of lacquering. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:56:21 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: decal removal Message-ID: <004f01c05262$edfe1be0$c52bb8a1@darcy> I use FANTASTIC the all-purpose cleaner full strength ... cleans and strips I've used it for years. Just submerge the part ... it won't eat plastic but does a great job cleaning everything else away. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 19 November, 2000 11:20 AM Subject: Re: decal removal > Some of the fellow use oven cleaner. Poly-Strip is very good. Sold at > better model stores everywhere. > > Regards, > Cyg. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dale Sebring > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:54 AM > Subject: decal removal > > > > Hello all, > > How should I remove decals (loz) from an aircraft? > > TIA, > > Dale > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:07:40 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cockpits Volume 1 Message-ID: <3A18330B.ED6DEA5C@bellsouth.net> Lee Mensinger wrote: > Pilots seat on an Aviatic C.1 (bureau number 227/16, Works number 832) in > the Museum of the Army in Brussels. (The) Man (the observer) paid attention > to the high test Fuel reserves in addition to (forward movement) from the > observer's seat ( Beobachtersitz) and with a thermometer watched the air > temperature exhibited. > > It implies the observer had a few additional jobs, besides observing, he > helped the pilot pay a bit of attention to some details. It also gives a clue as to what equipment might be found in the rear office. Thanks for the translation. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:06:21 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: DML Fokker D.VII - Ebay Message-ID: <000701c05264$30d449c0$d437183f@cyrixp166> A D.VII is up for auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=497692810 Regards, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:15:18 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Builders Unite! Message-ID: <26.d54b283.27498ed6@aol.com> Is that the same guy who said something about "no controlling legal authority to make me . . ." Hey, you don't suppose that he would just use us and our protected minority status do you? Don't get me wrong, comrades, I'm perfectly willing to be co-opted and used and lied to so long as I get preferential treatment. In a message dated 11/19/2000 7:48:42 PM, modeleral@up-link.net writes: << Yeah, by the same guy that said that those who cast the votes mean nothing but those who "count" the votes mean everything..... Al >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:18:25 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cockpits Volume 1 Message-ID: Ernest: I've built 2 D.VII's and I'd liked to build all those you mention, however, I am not in control of my own destiny at the moment:) Thanks for looking and I'll get a copy of that thing eventually. Michael >From: Ernest Thomas >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Cockpits Volume 1 >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:42:25 -0500 (EST) > >Mike, >Sorry old bean. Absolutely nothing on any SSW types. Why don't you build a >Fok. >D-VII, or a HB W-13, or an Otto Doppledecker. Lots of stuff on those. >:-) >E. > > >Michael Kendix wrote: > > > Ernest: > > > > I'm making Roseplane's SSW DDr.I for Internet Modeler. There's not much >on > > it for refs and no cockpit stuff. Does the book contain and later SSW >types > > such as the D.III or D.IV? I really need to buy that book but when the > > local fellow ahd one, I was uninterested, being totally fixated on RFC >stuff > > at that particular minute. Now I'll have to get by mail order. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Michael > > > > >From: Ernest Thomas > > >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > >Subject: Re: Cockpits Volume 1 > > >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:49:29 -0500 (EST) > > > > > >Michael Kendix wrote: > > > > > > > Can anyone give me the full > > > > title of this publication so I can search for its being sold on the >web. > > > > > >Mike, > > >The complete title is 'Cockpit Profile' vol 1, > > >published by Flugzeug Publikations GmbH > > >Thomas-Mann-StraBe 3 > > >89257 Illertissen > > >Tel 0 73 03/96 42 20 > > >Fax 0 73 03/96 42 41 > > > > > >Don't see an isbn anywhere on it. Sorry. > > >Hth. > > >E. > > >Btw,I have it in hand, if you have any questions about the content. > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:29:26 -0600 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Builders Unite! Message-ID: My apologies to all for inadvertently helping to perpetuate this ot thread - my email sent privately to another list member was not intended by me to be made public. Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:29:46 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: My Modeling Days are Over! Message-ID: <029901c05267$7502c9c0$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> Brent if you need a stop over on the long I-35 drive, my door is open1 Tom Solinski Oklahoma City ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 10:28 AM Subject: My Modeling Days are Over! > > No, this is not a post about how I am going to liquidate my stash at insane > prices... Vultures! > > I am forced to move back South from the Twin Cities to Dallas. Again, no it > isn't because I'm a rabid, gun toting, lethal injecting, Bush supporting > conservative who is being forced to leave the Red Star State for the Lone > Star State. It's because my contract up here is over and I start a new job > in Dallas a week from Monday. It's high time I went home. My wife has been > a real trooper taking care of 2 1/2 children, a house and a dog while I've > been traveling. They all need me to be home now. > > The only negative aspect of this happy occasion is my modeling time will be > reduced drastically. Usually I get at least two hours a day. Now it's going > to be tough to get 2 hours a weekend! I've been packing my stuff and it's > surprising how many kits I've acquired in the 11 months I've been up here. > Six big boxes. Sheesh! I have as much, or more, here than I do at home. I > can stock one aisle of a good hobby shop. That's the bane of 72nd I guess. > It's cheaper, so you can buy more of it. > > When I get home I am going to have to reclaim my workbench. It's buried > under a ton of crap the wife and kids have been piling on it since I left. > There might need to be some schedule set up where I get "modeling night". > That would be my private time. I'm interested in how you other modelers out > there find time to build these wonderful models and still have time for > wife, kids, friends, home, and a full time job. How do you do it? I used to > stay up too late or I would get in trouble for "goofing off" while > something or someone needed my attention. > > Don't worry, I'll still be subscribed in Texas. > > Later! > > Brent > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:32:52 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Modeling Days Over? Message-ID: --part1_e.521ea51.274992f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brent, most of the Minnesota Mafia will miss you, but I hear more from you on the List, so I'll still have to put up with you. You'll be able to find time to model, once everyone gets used to having you underfoot 'full time', they may even encourage you to spend more time modeling. Merrill --part1_e.521ea51.274992f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brent, most of the Minnesota Mafia will miss you, but I hear more from you on
the List, so I'll still have to put up with you.  You'll be able to find time
to model, once everyone gets used to having you underfoot 'full time', they
may even encourage you to spend more time modeling.
Merrill

--part1_e.521ea51.274992f4_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:37:22 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: decal removal Message-ID: <3A183A02.3D91FF60@bellatlantic.net> If you want to remove decals without removing the underlying paint, just touch a piece of regular scotch type (frosted) tape to the decal and lift. The cal will adhere to the tape and pull right off the model without disturbing the paint. If you want to remove everything I suggest Poly Scale Easy Lift Off. (Which I am usng at this very minute to strip the upper wing of an ot biplane from the time between WWI parst i and 2). Alvie John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > Some of the fellow use oven cleaner. Poly-Strip is very good. Sold at > better model stores everywhere. > > Regards, > Cyg. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dale Sebring > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:54 AM > Subject: decal removal > > > Hello all, > > How should I remove decals (loz) from an aircraft? > > TIA, > > Dale > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:50:04 -0600 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Frame fittings Message-ID: <3A183CFC.82CD42D9@hiwaay.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > Would the fittings used at the joints of longerons and strut members in a > typical Sopwith wire braced truss fuselage frame be coated or painted to > protect from corrosion or ne left natural metal? If so what would be a > likely color? The fittings would have been iron or steel and thus subject to rust. It would have been irresponsible not to provide a protective coating. Electroplated coatings weren't very common until the 1930's so a coat of paint is the most likely solution. The brits seem to have favored a process called stove enamel, basically a baked on black porcelain finish. Lacquer (Japanning) is also a possibility. Black is the most likely possibility for the lacquer, but I suppose any color but silver could have been used. Silver paint would not allow a reliable visual inspection of coverage. I can offer little specific proof, but these are industrial processes that existed in the era and earlier and represented the state of the art. Eli ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:10:10 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Frame fittings Message-ID: In the PUP DF special, they appear the same colour as the surface they are connected too. Ie PC10. The few colour photo's show this clearly. The under surface mountings appear pale grey/brown almost matches the cdl undersurface which doesnt make sense?? Anyway all the shades appear slightly darker because of the difference in material. As in Fittings are metal and the flying surfaces are doped linen. hth's Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Ernest Thomas Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 9:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Frame fittings smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > Would the fittings used at the joints of longerons and strut members in a > typical Sopwith wire braced truss fuselage frame be coated or painted to > protect from corrosion or ne left natural metal? If so what would be a > likely color? Just squizzed the Camel DF. Hard to tell from the photos. Some look natural metal, but some look very dark, like maybe black. Natural metal might show up better in the model, fwiw. I'll check out the other Sopwith DF's and see what I can come up with. After a hot shower. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:34:14 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: My Modeling Days are Over! Message-ID: <200011192134.NAA10343@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Do what I do. Although I don't have to be to work until 7:00am, I get up at 0400 and, after showering, model until about 6:30. Oh, and take lots of caffiene. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:36:14 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Tanks R ME Message-ID: <200011192136.NAA13750@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:53:16 -0500 (EST), GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > Russ, it's published by Darlington Productions in their Museum Ordnance > series. They have a website www.darlingtonproductions.com, but it isn't > listed yet. Retail should be under US $9. Any hobby shop or book store that > carries Darlington's books would likely have it on the shelf when it comes > out. ... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:35:43 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Frame fittings Message-ID: Oops forgot to give page numbers so others can look at the pictures I was looking at. Pup DF Special colour pictures are on pages 33 and 34 and show interplane struts and fittings. However page 14 has a colour photo of the landing gear and that appears dark grey or black. As in Stove enameled or Jappaned (SP). This didnt make sense to me. However in my garage I have a 40 year old Norton motorcycle, that I swear will get put back together and restored one day (hehe yeah right and pigs might fly). Anyway the frame on that is stove enameled but some of the fittings are just painted. If I remember right the reason for this was down to cost. As in big frame easy to dip and bake, small parts and fittings are not. Therefore Some of the fittings may only have been painted on these aircraft to speed production time and cost. Also one last point I have it on good authority from family members who were in the services that when erks had paint pots they sometimes would paint everything in sight that didnt move. So when wings were re dopped etc maybe the fittings got painted too. Yep lousy theory but it might explain why there seems to be no ryme or reason to why fittings appear different colours. Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Ray Boorman Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 1:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Frame fittings In the PUP DF special, they appear the same colour as the surface they are connected too. Ie PC10. The few colour photo's show this clearly. The under surface mountings appear pale grey/brown almost matches the cdl undersurface which doesnt make sense?? Anyway all the shades appear slightly darker because of the difference in material. As in Fittings are metal and the flying surfaces are doped linen. hth's Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:42:01 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: My Modeling Days are Over! Message-ID: Matt, you truly are crazy ;) eeps 4 am thats so uncivilised ick ick. (I'm really not a morning person). Anyway feigned deafness works to get you extra time. Also I watch a lot of PBS if I watch tv at all. SWMBO hates documentaries etc, so once we hit her anti PBS threshold she suggests that I politely surrender the remote. After the usual dominance battle over the remote and my pouting since I typically lose said battles (I do like cooked meals etc), I get told why don't you find something to do ;) This is good for 6 to 8 hours a week for hobbies!! Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Matt Bittner Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 1:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: My Modeling Days are Over! Do what I do. Although I don't have to be to work until 7:00am, I get up at 0400 and, after showering, model until about 6:30. Oh, and take lots of caffiene. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:01:08 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cockpits Volume 1 Message-ID: Michael, Chris Mikesh at Nostalgic Plastic had these. Don't know if he has all of the volumes currently, but he did have a few last I noticed. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:02:38 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Frame fittings Message-ID: <000b01c05274$6f2bcf80$4af9aec7@default> I want to thank everyone who responded to my questions. This List never ceases to amaze me. I think I'll go with black for the inside fittings and those on a CDL surface and PC-10 where they might have been doped over. I'll use a near black called Paynes Gray for scale effect. This is my first CSM kit and it is an unmitigated pleasure to work with. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:06:53 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: My Modeling Days are Over! Message-ID: <001901c05275$06c81100$4af9aec7@default> Matt sensibly says: > Do what I do. Although I don't have to be to work until 7:00am, I get > up at 0400 and, after showering, model until about 6:30. Oh, and take > lots of caffiene. ;-) Ray responds: Matt, you truly are crazy ;) eeps 4 am thats so uncivilised ick ick. (I'm really not a morning person). sp chirps up: I do the same. I'm up every work morning by 4 or 430 to check the List and putz with the current kit on the work bench. Caffene, Nicotine and Sugar the three main food groups. Makes a breakfast of Champions ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:13:34 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Builders Unite! Message-ID: <9b.cf63bf9.2749aa8e@aol.com> We could always become the Synchronized Kit-Juggling Drill Team and march at the Doo-Dah Parade in Pasadena behind the Synchronized Briefcase Drill Team! TC (who just got back from watching that inspired looniness :-)) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:24:59 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Model Builders Unite! Message-ID: <002501c05277$8e68e9c0$4af9aec7@default> > We could always become the Synchronized Kit-Juggling Drill Team and march at > the Doo-Dah Parade in Pasadena behind the Synchronized Briefcase Drill Team There ya go Tom We could have a float (olive on one end and yellow on the other) carrying "Legs" Pearson and the List Band. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:47:26 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: DVa wing tip conflict Message-ID: <005c01c052df$4a4081a0$446dd6d8@stephen> caveated | The Datafile drawings, and others, don't always print at true 1/48 or 1/72. | As an example, the span can vary within the printed version by more than | 1/16" from the top view and front view. One view may work out to, say 1/47 | while another view on the same page may be 1/50. The only cure is to gather | some dimensions and do your own drawing- nothing fancy- maybe just a box | drawn to the span and chord for a more accurate, if general check. | The biggest Datafile whopper I've studied was #2 Sopwith Pup. Most sources | give the span as 26' 6" . This would be 6 5/8" in 1/48. The drawings measure | out at 6 11/64". Almost 5/16" to short! That's just shy of a scale foot and | half, which is considerable.( maybe the reprint has this corrected?) A word to the wise is sufficient. However, at least in the case under review, the Stair plans--top and bottom views--and front view all agree on span. And these are printed on facing pages. The former agree wrt chord. Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:56:15 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: plug for av-art show wasRe: My Modeling Days are Over! Message-ID: <98.cb33b8b.2749b48f@aol.com> In a message dated 11/19/00 2:04:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Caffene, Nicotine and Sugar the three main food groups. Makes a breakfast of Champions ;-) sp >> Oh no- that means I'm suffering from morning mal-nutrition...... I don't have my Sugar Pops till afternoon. BTW- Modeling time? what's that? BUT- if anybody is around Riverside California Airport next weekend, Nov 24 and 25, between 10:00 AM and 4:00 PM, come on out- there's an aviation art show/sale/exhibition/benefit for the CAF and you can see what I've been doing instead of model bulding. Plus I might talk to you...then again, I may run away and hide...depends on those mornings' Caffeine and Nicotine dosage. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:07:24 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Avia Press Message-ID: <20001119230724.33546.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Highly recommended. I ordered two Master Club kits last Wednesday. Oleg Kasapkin tells me my order will be shipped this week, and he's including a book that I had also requested on the Sikorski S.XVI (in Russian) at extra no cost. The site also shows a book (in Russian) on Russian Civil War aircraft. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:38:17 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Silverbird Christmas Clearance Message-ID: <20001119233817.31612.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Glad to see the response to Silverbird's ad! There are still alot of great deals to be had. 1:72 modelers-heads up!! TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:25:46 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith question Message-ID: <200011200058.QAA06394@mail.rapidnet.net> Or in the case of Dolphins and Snipes. . the grey could also be plywood. I have yet to see any Sopwiths with grey fabric that was not part of a marking. Bob ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2822 **********************