WWI Digest 2818 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Roden Fok D,VIII by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: Roden Fok D,VIII by Zulis@aol.com 3) Re: 1:48 Scale Rigging Wire by "Michael Kendix" 4) Re: 1:48 Scale Rigging Wire by jhudson@hcsmail.com 5) Re: 1:48 Scale Rigging Wire by "Michael Kendix" 6) Re: Sikorski S.XVI, was RE: Loose books, was RE: Underneath the wings by Todd Hayes 7) Looking For a Couple of Kits by pugs99@att.net 8) OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! by "Sandy Adam" 9) RE: Databases (Re: DH 6 question) by Shane Weier 10) RE: Eduard and the list by Shane Weier 11) RE: ss 304 vs. 304V by Shane Weier 12) Re: ss 304 vs. 304V by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 13) Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! by smperry@mindspring.com 14) How many does it take? by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 15) Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! by Mark Miller 16) Re: Roden Fok D,VIII by "Matt Bittner" 17) The list and Eduard by MAnde72343@aol.com 18) Re: Roden Fok D,VIII by "Michael Kendix" 19) Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! by Scottfking@aol.com 20) Re: Roden D VIII by Marc Flake 21) Re: Roden D VIII by smperry@mindspring.com 22) Re: Roden D VIII by smperry@mindspring.com 23) Re: Roden D VIII by Zulis@aol.com 24) Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 25) Re: Eduard and the list by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 26) Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! by "DAVID BURKE" 27) Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! by "David C. Fletcher" 28) RE: Eduard and the list by "Ray Boorman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:44:01 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden Fok D,VIII Message-ID: <3A15ECF0.6DEE820B@bellsouth.net> Thanks Mate, One for the Roden box. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:49:41 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden Fok D,VIII Message-ID: Steve writes: << You have to eyeball the angles, so use a minimal amount of CA to tack them in place so they can be adjusted slightly as needed. You can firm it up later after you have it where you want it. >> When I was trying this, I drew the correct angle on a piece of paper, set the u/c legs down on it (leaving a small gap at the end as they dont really come quite together) and, when they appeared to be in the correct relationship to each other, laid a couple of narrow pieces of masking tape across them to keep them that way. Repeat the same for the other side, and then lay the plane on its back. Set the leg "assemblies" in the right place on the bottom of the fuselage and just perch the u/c wing on top of them, and drops of CA on all corners. When it is all dry and hardened, gently pull off the strips of masking tape. Its a cool little kit, though. :-) However, a few days ago I struggled with getting the legs on the MAC Pfalz. The darn things just didnt want to narrow down enough to meet the attachment points..... you would not believe the masking tape and blu-tac monstrosity I had to create to get them into alignment. Next.... the Anatra (with wheels courtesy of a certain Argentinian buddy...) Dave Z nw: The Tick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 02:52:57 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1:48 Scale Rigging Wire Message-ID: >From: jhudson@hcsmail.com >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: 1:48 Scale Rigging Wire >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:35:40 -0500 (EST) > >Okay. I'm looking in the 2001 catalog on page 130. That page >has "MUSIC WIRE - Spring Steel, Straightened". I bought the 36" >lengths. I got the 0.007" diameter wire for 1/48 projects and the >0.005" diameter wire for 1/72 projects. > >In addition to the website posted earlier, The phone number is >800-220-4242. > >Jim Hudson > OK, how much wire do you get for the $5.00? Does it come packaged in a clear plastic barrel? Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:36:19 -0500 From: jhudson@hcsmail.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1:48 Scale Rigging Wire Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001117223619.007bc100@hcsmail.com> At 09:56 PM 11/17/00 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Okay. I'm looking in the 2001 catalog on page 130. That page >>has "MUSIC WIRE - Spring Steel, Straightened". I bought the 36" >>lengths. I got the 0.007" diameter wire for 1/48 projects and the >>0.005" diameter wire for 1/72 projects. >> >>In addition to the website posted earlier, The phone number is >>800-220-4242. >> >>Jim Hudson >> >OK, how much wire do you get for the $5.00? Does it come packaged in a >clear plastic barrel? > >Michael The catalog says you get ten 36" lengths of 0.005" dia wire for $5.00. The 0.007" dia wire is $4.50 for ten lengths. My wire came in the clear plastic barrel with the green caps on each end, and the clear barrels were packaged in a cardboard tube. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 04:02:04 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1:48 Scale Rigging Wire Message-ID: >From: jhudson@hcsmail.com >The catalog says you get ten 36" lengths of 0.005" dia wire for $5.00. >The 0.007" dia wire is $4.50 for ten lengths. My wire came in the clear >plastic barrel with the green caps on each end, and the clear barrels >were packaged in a cardboard tube. Jim: OK. Is the wire completely stiff. Can it be cut to length and simply glued into place? Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sikorski S.XVI, was RE: Loose books, was RE: Underneath the wings Message-ID: <20001118050700.26246.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Lance, Sorry to butt in, but could you give me a basic breakdown of types of material used in the Master Club Sikorski kit? You have one don't you? A Fellow Iowan Todd --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Matt makes a good point about single sheet being > easier to manipulate, especially when you need to > refer to them. > > For those books you are reluctant to cut apart, I > have found a little stand - made for cook-books - > that holds a book open to a particular page for > easier reference. > > That NASM Stropp book must be the worst job in the > history of bookbinding, since mine's in pieces, too, > and I haven't even made an Albatros since I got it. > I better find a zip-lock bag! > > Lance > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 05:09:53 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Looking For a Couple of Kits Message-ID: <20001118050954.GZLV25510.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi Folks, Does anyone have an Eduard 1/48 Fokker D.VI and a DML 1/48 Fokker D.VII they would want to part with? Contact me off list if you do. Regards, John Impenna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:26:58 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! Message-ID: <005801c05141$b4d5abc0$21e8b094@sandyada> NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy. Your new prime minister (The rt. hon. Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect: 1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using the same twenty seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up "interspersed". 2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. 3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents.It really isn't that hard. 4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the good guys. 5. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get confused and give up half way through. 6. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American "football", but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2005. 7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons if they give you any merde. The 97.85% of you who were not aware that there is a world outside your borders should count yourselves lucky. The Russians have never been the bad guys. "Merde" is French for "sh*t". 8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 7th will be a new national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive Day". 9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. 10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy. Thank you for your cooperation. (Sandy hides in a very deep hole - hee, hee, hee!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:44:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Databases (Re: DH 6 question) Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621CA4@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jim > If I keep modeling wwi subjects can I become insane like you? :) It's obligatory. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:49:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard and the list Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621CA5@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> TC says: > What is surprising to me is the criticism Eduard has gotten > from the WW1 > modeling community (and not just from here on this list, > which is actually > pretty supportive of the company), which is what has led them > to take a > second look at the cost of producting WW1 kits. I'm still trying to find WTF this terrible criticism actually happened. There are some small criticisms of things like overdone ribs in WS and elsewhere, but nothing even mildly over the top. If Eduard think that this criticism is just too tough they had better get ready for when nitpickers *really* attcak one of their WW2 kits. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:56:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ss 304 vs. 304V Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621CA6@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Cyg says: > I think 304V is low in Selineium. This element is not good for > semi-conductors. An arcane tid-bit picked up from a previous life. Funny, I recall from my 1st year electrical engineering lectures that Selenium was used to dope Silicon in order to *make* semiconductors. Lucky my engineering is now all at "join the system to the system" level and not atomic level. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:03:14 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: ss 304 vs. 304V Message-ID: <000901c05157$890625e0$7e39183f@cyrixp166> Yes & that is exactly the problem. When you are trying to dope a film - you want to be in control of the dopant. You do not want your vacuum system adding other contaminants especially those that can affect your film. So 2 things: Thanks for correcting my spelling & How 'bout that Born Haber process? (Trying desperately to end this on an OT Note) Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 6:01 AM Subject: RE: ss 304 vs. 304V > Cyg says: > > > > I think 304V is low in Selineium. This element is not good for > > semi-conductors. An arcane tid-bit picked up from a previous life. > > Funny, I recall from my 1st year electrical engineering lectures that > Selenium was used to dope Silicon in order to *make* semiconductors. > > Lucky my engineering is now all at "join the system to the system" level and > not atomic level. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:29:57 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! Message-ID: <002201c0515b$441255e0$58f0aec7@default> > Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical > duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except > Utah, which she does not fancy. Gee Sandy, that's pretty ballsy of HSM seeing as she's only the hired help fron Hannover. What do real Britts think? ;-) Actually if y'all are really set on this, you could make things easier on yourselves by giving the former Confederate States their independence. I'm sure a handsome discount on cotton could be arranged, its ever so much more comfortable than wool for unders. However, if y'all really want to push the issue, think twice and remember: "We fired our guns and the British kept a comin', Wasn't neigh as many as there was a while ago. Fired once more and they commenced to runnin' Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. They run through the briars And they run through the brambles, They run so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em, Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico." ;-) sp Diving behind the nearest cotton gin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:02:31 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: How many does it take? Message-ID: <002101c05168$330ccf20$332c57d8@unionrai> (This was a joke, like "how many ( ) does it take to screw in a light bulb" right? E. not unlike "how many kits do I have to start before finishing one".....currently have Aurora DH10, BM N.28 and Eduard Fokker D.VI all in different stages. Went to Fort Lauderdale on biz last Saturday to Tuesday and took the Eduard DVI along to clean up all the flash on the parts - no, I was not recounting votes. btw a plug for Passchendaele's Halberstadt DIII, Peter Fedders brought over a finished model to the last St. Louis Jasta, beautiful kit if someone models 1/48th and likes early war a/c Charlie ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 2000 06:00:34 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! Message-ID: <20001118140034.6399.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sat, 18 November 2000, "Sandy Adam" wrote: > > NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE > > To the citizens of the United States of America, Sandy I got this yesterday and thought it was hilarious I was going to send it to the list - but chickened out at the last minute funniest thing I've seen in a long while Mark Miller _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:09:27 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Roden Fok D,VIII Message-ID: <200011181409.GAA17018@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:33:17 -0500 (EST), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > I don't use tube glue. It melts the plastic. CA works better for me. White > glue that has set a few minutes exposed to the air might work well here. It > can be strengthened with a tiny bit of CA after it sets up. Two advantages with tube glue, though. Melting the plastic actually makes it a stronger bond, and the slow drying tube glue gives you time to work with it. Just my opinion, though... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:16:16 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: The list and Eduard Message-ID: --part1_d3.cb58f31.2747e930_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of Eduard, has anyone heard anything about the Camel? It's supposed to be due any time now. I hope it arrives before the end of the year, my Dolphin is getting lonely. Merrill --part1_d3.cb58f31.2747e930_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of Eduard, has anyone heard anything about the Camel? It's supposed
to be due any time now. I hope it arrives before the end of the year, my
Dolphin is getting lonely.
Merrill

--part1_d3.cb58f31.2747e930_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:35:11 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden Fok D,VIII Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" >>On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:33:17 -0500 (EST), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > >>I don't use tube glue. It melts the plastic. CA works better for me. >> >>White glue that has set a few minutes exposed to the air might work >> >>well here. It can be strengthened with a tiny bit of CA after it sets >> >>up. > >Two advantages with tube glue, though. Melting the plastic actually >makes it a stronger bond, and the slow drying tube glue gives you time >to work with it. Just my opinion, though... I'm sure Mark Shannon knows the official chemical classification but I too prefer to use the "Plastic melters" (Testors, Model Moaster Liquid Cement) sometimes in preferences to the "bonders" (2-part epoxy, CA). Of course, you only need to melt the plastic a tiny bit to make it work. As my 6 year old discovered, using a quarter tube to glue the stand on an aeroplane kit can fundamentally alter the underside surface (makes a Gannon ripple look like nothing) and extend delay drying time. If you need real strength Tube glue really helps. I sometimes set things up with small amounts of CA and then brush on a "melter" like Pro-Weld. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:34:08 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! Message-ID: A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. You will also have to appoint Bill Daley as Minister of Questionnaires. Will have to depend on "Chicago Style" methods to get the vote out, i.e. "Respond early, respond often". To prevent any unnecessary legal wrangling, make up the rules as you go along. Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:53:01 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden D VIII Message-ID: <3A169F86.3435@airmail.net> For my struts, I used ModelMaster Liquid Cement. This appears to be halfway between tube glue and Tenax in viscosity. I put a small puddle of cement on a non-porous suface, dab the strut end in and place it in the spreader-bar-wing. They will kind of stick up without any help as the glue dries. Before the glue sets, I dip all four tips in the puddle (which has become even more viscuous) and, with a pair of tweezers, stick the struts onto the fuselage. Once the glue adheres the strut to the fuselage, I start fiddling with the whole undercarriage to get it properly aligned. Using modelilng clay and paint bottles I rig a temporary jig (fuselage on top) to hold the undercariage in place while it dries. Check frequently as gravity sometimes pulls the model off to the side, but this glue takes a while to really set up, so you can make adjustments for about an hour after you've attached the struts. Marc (Whose white plastic is softer and easier to work with, for some reason. sp, where did you get yours? From a domestic or foreign distributor? I got mine from Squadron.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:16:47 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Roden D VIII Message-ID: <006601c0517a$f41746c0$58f0aec7@default> > Marc (Whose white plastic is softer and easier to work with, for some > reason. sp, where did you get yours? From a domestic or foreign > distributor? I got mine from Squadron.) Marc: I got my kit from the fellow in Va. for whom I'm building a series of RCW period models. I believe he got it from Squadron too. My aversion to tube glue stems from modeling as a kid where I, like Michael's son, had a tendency to use enough tube glue to sink a battleship. I recall in particular a B-58 whose spindly L/G didn't appreciate my generous application of tube glue. I only wanted to make it stronger :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:03:46 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Roden D VIII Message-ID: <006f01c05181$83e30c20$58f0aec7@default> Well I finished the Roden (I keep wanting to call them Rodents) Fokker E.V / D.VIII. It's done in Polish markings. I used the Kit Lozenge and toned it down with a dark overspray and it looks quite acceptable. Getting the top wing on was kind of fiddly, but the struts were all exactly the right length. Now I don't want to hear any more protestations of fumble fingeredness from Mr. Zulis. Finishing this kit takes a respectable degree of dexterity. No ifs ands or buts, Dave ;-) Ignoring extremely minor nits like slight flash and very subtle fabric weave, this kit is a remarkable value for under 10 dollars. The prospect of a Gotha from these folks leaves me salivating and my Rare Planes Gotha vac feeling paranoid. Photos when I get the digicam out of hock sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:16:57 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden D VIII Message-ID: Steve writes: << Getting the top wing on was kind of fiddly, but the struts were all exactly the right length. Now I don't want to hear any more protestations of fumble fingeredness from Mr. Zulis. Finishing this kit takes a respectable degree of dexterity. No ifs ands or buts, Dave ;-) >> Thank you for the credit, but it is really more creativity than dexterity. I sat a ball of blu tac on top of the fuselage (where the guns go, later) and then bedded the top wing down on the blu-tac. When I thought it was in alignment, etc I added all those struts which, as you said, were just right. When it all dried and hardened, I picked the blu-tac out with tweezers and inserted the guns. With clumsy fingers, ya gotta be creative... :-) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:28:50 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! Message-ID: <7b.c4b3458.27481652@aol.com> In a message dated 11/18/00 4:28:59 AM EST, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes: << Thank you for your cooperation. (Sandy hides in a very deep hole - hee, hee, hee!) >> We're supposed to surrender to a bunch of drowned rats?? :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:34:04 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard and the list Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/00 5:52:10 AM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << If Eduard think that this criticism is just too tough they had better get ready for when nitpickers *really* attcak one of their WW2 kits. >> According to Colin Adair, they have gotten stuff from some people that is strong enough to have seriously upset the President of the company. If it really is a small minority (which I told him it has to be because everyone I know of - even people who don't do OT - likes their stuff), I hope the rest of us can demonstrate that they should ignore the morons. And you're right about the criticism they will get for WW2 muckups - though they're fortunate their production quality is such they won't get raked over the coals like a certain Ukrainian company who has produced the best-designed/most accurate Merlin-60-series Supermarine thingie, and ruined it with shoddy production quality. TC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:44:11 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! Message-ID: <001a01c0518f$92edb900$14eb79a5@com> Over the last week and a half, I have seen this goddamn thing about 20 times. Please pardon my very evident exasperation, but it was merely amusing the first time. Let's keep our noses pointed more along WWI modeling, hmmm? And one more thing: This is not On Topic, it is off topic. So it is not OT, it is ot. Thank You A Disgusted American DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:45:26 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - but then then there are so many Amis on the list! Message-ID: <3A16CE46.B48691D0@mars.ark.com> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: "We fired our guns and the British kept a comin', Wasn't neigh as many as there was a while ago..." Actually, there weren't very many Brits to start with. It was a victory for the revolutionaries because they outnumbered the opposition by better than ten to one. We Canadians have kept our independence from our Southern neighbours (neighbors, y'all) by maintaining a population of 10 per cent of that of the U.S.A. in order to ensure a safe margin of supremacy. How do we bring this 'OT"? I know - if this list was a war, the Americans would just be joining it now... Diving into the nearest reinforced igloo... Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:06:37 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Eduard and the list Message-ID: I agree with Shane on this one. As OT kit producers Eduard are the Tamiya of their class and inexpensive to boot. However if they step up to other era's they will be one amongst many. I'm sure they will sell more but they are going to have to find subjects no one else has done and take a deal more criticism. Or be just so darned good that they can rehash the same old tired subjects. I.e. F15/F4 Keroburners or yet another yawnnnn 1&9 thingie - yep that's the ticket for success;) As to more criticism, well I can't think why they have got more than nit-picks unless its those darned Loz decals. I have a suspicion its not criticism more that there is more competition in the OT area now and therefore Eduard is not selling as many as they once did. Or they are selling more and therefore just getting more feedback. I checked the Windsocks for the last year, they haven't been overly down on Eduard, and on this list Eduard has a very good reputation, in fact they are normally always recommended. Ray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2818 **********************