WWI Digest 2812 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: Nieuport 28 by smperry@mindspring.com 5) Re: Urgent - Woman in office leaving for UK on Friday. by "Stefen Karver" 6) Re: Holtzem's (late) D.IIIa by "Stefen Karver" 7) Re: DH 6 question by jhudson@hcsmail.com 8) Re: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau by "David Calhoun" 9) Re: MisterKit Acrylic WWI Colors Available Soon In The US by "Limon3" 10) Re: Urgent - Woman in office leaving for UK on Friday. by "Michael Kendix" 11) Re: Mixing Sibergrau by "Lyle Lamboley" 12) Databases (was Re: DH 6 question) by "Bob Pearson" 13) Aussies in Nieuports was (RE: Late Nieuports) by "cameron rile" 14) RE: Camel Questions by "Ray Boorman" 15) RE: Urgent - Woman in office leaving for UK on Friday. by Shane Weier 16) Re: Loose books, was RE: Underneath the wings by Ernest Thomas 17) Jacobs -god of the North wind by "Steve Lawson" 18) Re: DH 6 question by "Matt Bittner" 19) Elefant decals by "Limon3" 20) Re: Nieuport 28 by Ernest Thomas 21) RE: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau by Shane Weier 22) RE: Camel Questions by Shane Weier 23) RE: Camel Questions by "Ray Boorman" 24) Re: Mixing Sibergrau-ceramcoat by Marc Flake 25) Re: DH 6 question by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Loose books, was RE: Underneath the wings by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: Jacobs -god of the North wind by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Mixing Sibergrau-ceramcoat by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:36:14 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/00 4:37:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: << that's right, Matt finish his Nieuports?? HA !!!! Bob >> yep- I was trying to "hipmotize" him through e-mail rk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:36:17 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/00 4:30:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << RK > Finnish Nieuports......... He can't. He's building ot at the moment.... Shane >> and ot is just the first sylable of otter- maybe one day he'll get around to ter. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:36:16 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau Message-ID: <7d.d0f0aaf.27449410@aol.com> In a message dated 11/15/00 4:31:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << > Finnish Nieuports......... I truly wish I could finish some...... :-) Matt Bittner >> you're getting sleepy....make nieuport done...make nieuport done RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:47:16 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <002f01c04f6f$2700c560$61f9aec7@default> > Just received a Model Expo catalog today, and included is the 1/16 > Nieuport 28 wood and metal "skeleton" model for an introductory price of > $150. There you go E. All the fabric already ripped off ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:53:02 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: Urgent - Woman in office leaving for UK on Friday. Message-ID: <01c701c04fd4$8bccf4e0$336dd6d8@stephen> Thanks for the clarification on Commonwealth taxation regulations, Shane. It may come in handy. Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:11 PM Subject: RE: Urgent - Woman in office leaving for UK on Friday. | Stef says: | | > If you have her buy them in the UK, she (you ) will be charged their | > value-added tax (VAT). | | However she/you will be entitled to claim it back again as you leave. Same | applies to purchases by travellers in Australia and our GST | | | Shane | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ********************************************************************** | The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is | intended only for the use of the addressee(s). | If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or | copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to | forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the | MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. | | e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au | phone: Australia 1800500646 | ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:56:19 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: Holtzem's (late) D.IIIa Message-ID: <01cd01c04fd5$00c65480$336dd6d8@stephen> Stef wrote | | I am interested in what are the distinguishing features of an early D.IIIa | that are visible in the extant photos. DSA provided: The Pfalz D.IIIa that Vzfw. Max Holtzem of Jasta 16b flew was a late model from the production order D.8000-8339/17. This is evident with the pointed ends of the cabane struts as well as the interplane struts. This change occurred during the production batch. Appreciatively, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:05:25 -0500 From: jhudson@hcsmail.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH 6 question Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001115210525.007b8950@hcsmail.com> Matt, How were you able to come up with these references so quickly? Is there some index on the site some place that I haven't found in which one can reference Windsock volumes (or any other publication) by aircraft type? Jim Hudson At 07:01 AM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 06:52:44 -0500 (EST), dfernet0 wrote: > >> Seems like I'm the winner of an auction for a Phoenix 1/72 Dehavilland >> D.H.6. Well, I bid on this on Ebay idly and seems like no one else wanted >> it! >> I can't find any picture of this plane in my library nor in the net (yet) >> anyone knows of such a plane on the web? Besides, does anyone have this kit? >> How good it is? It was worth the 5 bucks I spent into it? >> thanks in advance > >Here are some references: > >Windsock Vol 05 No >01 47 DH6 29-30 1/72nd Phoenix >review >Windsock Vol 07 No >04 47 DH6 3-4,6,8 Photo's >Windsock Vol 07 No >04 47 DH6 3-8 Feature article >Windsock Vol 07 No >04 47 DH6 6 Cockpit photo >Windsock Vol 07 No >04 47 DH6 5,7 1/72nd scal >drawings >Windsock 112 47 DH6 76 >Cockpits/Instruments > > >Matt Bittner > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:08:29 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau Message-ID: <016001c04f8b$440683e0$470c3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Shane & Matt, Americal/Gryphon has #118 No. 1 Squadron R.F.C./R.A.F. has markings for 2 Nieuport 24 bis & 3 diff N.27, including 1 in 5 color camouflage. They are also available in 1/72 scale #117. The 1/48 sheet would be perfect to do the HiTech kit in markings other than Nungesser/French. Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:52:51 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > > > If I was to buy the new HiTech Nieuport - is there a less obvious > > alternative marking than the tedious thousandth variation on Nungessor > > contained in the kit? Something that either requires no difficult unit > > markings or is available off someones commercial decal sheet? > > Unfortunately there are *no* aftermarket decals for the Nie.17bis > through Nie.27. However, if someone on the list has the Tom's > conversion, it came with decals that Bob designed. You could ask for > that through the list. Or maybe plead with one of the member's who own > an ALPS, then you can use whatever scheme *you* wanted, instead of > being dictated to. > > > Matt Bittner > "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:14:29 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: MisterKit Acrylic WWI Colors Available Soon In The US Message-ID: <003c01c04f72$f46faf40$dff7303f@f4w2s5> Shane, Wellllll, maybe most :-} Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: RE: MisterKit Acrylic WWI Colors Available Soon In The US >Gabe, > > >> I got the same reply, should be a good source for all of us. > >All? > >;-) > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > >********************************************************************** >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is >intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or >copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to >forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the >MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > >e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au >phone: Australia 1800500646 >********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:11:19 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Urgent - Woman in office leaving for UK on Friday. Message-ID: Stephen: You can claim back the VAT. It's slightly tedious but she should ask the folks who are selling her stuff to supply the appropriate form(s). Its worth it since VAT is 17.5% Michael >From: "Stefen Karver" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Urgent - Woman in office leaving for UK on Friday. >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:05:53 -0500 (EST) > >If you have her buy them in the UK, she (you ) will be charged their >value-added tax (VAT). Of course, you will save o shipping. The best >buys, >assuming you are in the US, are the native products and Eduard and H9Tech, >at least to judge from Hannants' on-line listings. You might browse their >inventory at hannants.co.uk and see what beat the prices of your usual >supplier (s). >Stef > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:46 PM >Subject: Urgent - Woman in office leaving for UK on Friday. > > >| I only have one day to ask her to pick up some kits for me. >| Which ones should one look for in U.K.? Or are all kits equally and >| reasonably available in the U.S.A.? >| Steve the Imposing >| > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:24:14 -0500 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau Message-ID: <00c901c04f74$5517d600$b1dbd73f@lylelamb> Guys, I'm using a mix of Testors aluminum and medium blue/gray (FS 35237) for my Pfalz D.III and D.XII, and the ratio is 2/3 alumimum and 1/3 gray. I found this at Steve Hustad's layout on the Modeling Page for his incredible Pfalz D.VIII, and figured I couldn't go wrong using his formula. :-) He didn't specify the FS number for the gray, but I thought that I had a good match. Just my $.02 worth Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:25:03 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Databases (was Re: DH 6 question) Message-ID: <200011160240.SAA07584@mail.rapidnet.net> JIm, A few list members have developed databases for various items. I have done three myself .. the first is of all the articles that have appeared in OTF, Windsock and C&C(GB/INT) with a smattering of WW1 Aero and C&C(USA) - 3100+ entries so far. The fields in this DB are title author subject personnel unit aircraft misc reference SAMPLE KOBES IN FOKKERSTAFFEL WEST Stephen T Lawson (ed) Autobiography Jacobs, Josef F.Fl.Abt 7, F.Fl.Abt 11 Rumpler C.I Diary OTF 9/4:292 The second DB is of the aircraft photos that have appeared in these publications. There are 5700+ entries this time type serial pilot unit markings misc reference Sopwith Snipe E6351 Georgy Stepanovich Sapozhnikov Fighter Detachment Soviet Air Service ŒNelly¹, Ace of Spades. Blue rudder with black arrow. Black stars b/w profile Windsock 10/4:17,18 The third is of my own photos. The first two are complete up until about 1 1/2-2 years ago when all my subscriptions ran out .. the last is still uncomplete as well. All are done using Clarisworks v.1 for the Mac (as you can see I started them sometime ago), however some listees have successfully translated them to PC format (I forget who). Anyone who wnats copies of the first two (700 and 800k), contact me offlist. Eventually they will be added to the OTF website and my CD once I find a way to do so in HTML and not in Claris. Bob ---------- > Matt, > > How were you able to come up with these references so quickly? > > Is there some index on the site some place that I haven't found in > which one can reference Windsock volumes (or any other publication) > by aircraft type? > > Jim Hudson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:35:07 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aussies in Nieuports was (RE: Late Nieuports) Message-ID: >Weren't there any Aussies that flew the type? The AFC didnt have any on strength that I know of. There is a picture of Harry Taylor kitted up to go infront of the nose of a Nieuport at Harlaxton, so maybe they trained on them but at that time it would have been with an RFC training squadron not an AFC training squadron. There are also pics of a N12 with an odd rudder at Harlaxton and another pic of an Avro and N12 in a nose to nose prang. The second picture was at Leighterton IIRC so the N12 may have been on AFC strength (or loan) with one of the 1 Wing AFC squadrons. Couple of very notable Aussies sat in the cockpit of the Nieuport series though, Rod Dallas scored several victories in N11's and the subject of the Eduard RFC N17 is A.S. Shephards "3C" from 29 Sqn RFC. Shephard had actually worked for Richard Howards (2 AFC) father in Newcastle, Australia before the war. The Aussies flew Nieuports in Palestine as well, but not as AFC aircraft. When the AFC pilots were attached to the RFC/RAF training squadron at Aboukhir in Egypt they were available there. Apparently one of their tricks started by "Pard" Mustar'd' was to dive on a sailing skiff with the engine off and just as the nose of the Nieuport passed the sail, they would restart the motor, the sail copping a propeller full of air which would capsize the boat. It was called "Felucaring" as the boats they were capsizing were called "Felucars" or something of that nature. cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:59:04 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Camel Questions Message-ID: Lets see what could be missing, must be those Canucks flying them too ;) -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Camel Questions Bob says: > No French Units used Camels, one Belgian, two American and > lots of British units did. Ahem! You forgetting someone? Shane ;-) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:04:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Urgent - Woman in office leaving for UK on Friday. Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C8F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Stef, > Thanks for the clarification on Commonwealth taxation > regulations, Shane. > It may come in handy. FWIW I don't know whether this applies in the other approximately 80 Commonwealth countries. Nevertheless, it *is* relevant to the query Steve made because your response suggests otherwise. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:10:42 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Loose books, was RE: Underneath the wings Message-ID: <3A135031.D7BB7C26@bellsouth.net> Lance Krieg wrote: > For those books you are reluctant to cut apart, I have found a little stand - made for cook-books - that holds a book open to a particular page for easier reference. I have my old music stand from elementary school band next to my bench to hold Datafiles and whatnot. > That NASM Stropp book must be the worst job in the history of bookbinding, since mine's in pieces, too, and I haven't even made an Albatros since I got it. I better find a zip-lock bag! Is anyone else's copy of 'Knights of the Air' in pieces? E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:08:17 -0500 From: "Steve Lawson" To: , , Subject: Jacobs -god of the North wind Message-ID: <00Nov15.221128est.119052@gatekeeper.bop.gov> The age of cheap knowlege is upon us. With the internet and its World Wide Web access, one can be led down a thousand garden paths and find that "warm fuzzy feelings" are a dime a dozen. When discussing history and its plethora of legitimate tributaries it is easy to go aground and find ones ideas beached on a barren sandbar while missing the tide and current to more edifiying ends. The subject of colors in Orthocromatic and (to a lesser degree) early Pancromatic films of 1914-1918 usage is an area that can bog down even the most indefatigueable enthusiast or devotee. No one has yet to do a scientific study on German schemes. While the french 5 color camouflage & its variations were quite well covered in Cross & Cockade USA volumes titled "Operation Butterfly" (Someone needs to reprint this material ASAP Note- per G.H.Williams "NO Article in C&C USA was ever copyrighted to that pub.") Now from Poland http://www.tmg.obywatel.pl/pr_jacobs_josef.htm A voice crys out a new "what if" set of colors for Jacobs 'god of the North wind. It is enough for me as a historian first to accept Jacobs own description. The selected works of Mr. Neal O'Connor are of the most value in these areas. For modelers you can't go wrong with the DML interpretation in their decals for kit #5906 1/48 Fok. Dr.I. The Super Scale decals are more in characture form and they (with willful ignorance) deviated from Dan Abbott's recommendations. Americal /Gryphon 's Jacobs sheet is somewhat simplistic but so was this particular marking in its original form. Decals tend to be oversized and over detailed for models. The balance of Greg Van Wyngarden's reply to Matt Bittner Nov.12, 2000 is right on. I would add that the "god of the North wind" is not satanic in origin. At best it is a copy if a turn of the century illustration probably found in a child's story book. It represents one of the four winds detailed in Norse mythology. The winds were allied to the Frost Giants and therefor man's adversaries. A study of ancient Scandinavian religion will reveal much more details to the curious. The god of the North wind was the most fierce by accounts in Saga's of the time. Hence the ferocity of its appearance in the application. Jacobs described the piece in Red , White, Yellow and Brown with a grey-fleshy face. I would support any piece modeled in that description. To my knowlege there is no ancient rendering in stone or parchment of this diety. The Asatru religion doesn't even go into that type of detail. (Asatru is a modern revival of the Norse religion.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:14:33 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: DH 6 question Message-ID: <200011160314.TAA11332@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:08:06 -0500 (EST), jhudson@hcsmail.com wrote: > How were you able to come up with these references so quickly? My own personal database. I have thought about moving this to some web host, but the host would have to have the right software installed, and be willing to host my DB. Plus have the space to accomodate it. Using MySQL and perl or php, it should be a piece of cake. FWIW, I have all Windsocks, Datafiles and OtF's. I have some C&CI and C&C(US). Plus most books. Yes, I am insane, why do you ask? ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:29:43 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: "WWI list" Subject: Elefant decals Message-ID: <000701c04f7d$77269f20$dff7303f@f4w2s5> Hello all, I just saw a new listing for 1/48 scale Alb. DV decals from Elefant. Anyone out there know anything about these? I also saw a listing for Eduard Alb. DV tail masks. Anyone heard of these little darlins? Gabe. P.S.: I saw them at Great Models Webstore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:37:27 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <3A135676.127397D8@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > There you go E. > > All the fabric already ripped off ;-) Bite my hairy white arse you Nieuport hating, election holding upper, bi-scaler,,,,, .............. Hell, I don't know what else to call you. Children may read this! :-) E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:36:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Late Nieuports, was RE: Mixing Sibergrau Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C90@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave says: > Americal/Gryphon has #118 No. 1 Squadron R.F.C./R.A.F. has > markings for 2 > Nieuport 24 bis & 3 diff N.27, including 1 in 5 color > camouflage. They are > also available in 1/72 scale #117. The 1/48 sheet would be > perfect to do > the HiTech kit in markings other than Nungesser/French. Duh. I *have* this sheet - but I'd forgotten that they used these machines. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:39:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Camel Questions Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C91@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ray > Lets see what could be missing, must be those Canucks flying > them too ;) Yes, but there were no Canadian units flying them ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:47:50 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Camel Questions Message-ID: Shane, Touche! -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Camel Questions Ray > Lets see what could be missing, must be those Canucks flying > them too ;) Yes, but there were no Canadian units flying them ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:02:42 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau-ceramcoat Message-ID: <3A1349F4.C13@airmail.net> Ray wrote: "Since I was trying to mix this last night with a ceramcoat version of silbergrau. I would be interested in what other users of Ceramcoat/Liquitex use." I've been experimenting with a variety of artists acrylics trying to find just the right kind of metallics for painting. Regarding Sibergrau, I think the FolkArt Metallic Aluminum #579 comes very close. It's more of a metallic medium gray. Might need a little white to lighten it. It dries gloss, but can be flattened. BTW, I've been doing some other experimenting and I think Ceramcoat's Barn Red looks like a good PC 12. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:13:24 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH 6 question Message-ID: <21.39530d8.2744b8e4@aol.com> In a message dated 11/15/00 7:16:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << Using MySQL and perl or php, it should be a piece of cake. >> you mean it should be a poc? RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:13:27 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Loose books, was RE: Underneath the wings Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/00 7:11:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << Is anyone else's copy of 'Knights of the Air' in pieces? E. >> The Time/Warner deal? Yep- complete with genuine rips in the phony blue leather cover...... And I'm not particularly mean to books. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:13:26 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jacobs -god of the North wind Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/00 7:12:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, sxlawson@bop.gov writes: << ..... the french 5 color camouflage & its variations were quite well covered in Cross & Cockade USA volumes titled "Operation Butterfly" (Someone needs to reprint this material ASAP >> A true classic. Without 'Butterfly' we'd still be stumbling around with vague instructions to 'paint upper surfaces in brown and green'. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:17:03 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau-ceramcoat Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/00 8:14:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, mflake@airmail.net writes: << BTW, I've been doing some other experimenting and I think Ceramcoat's Barn Red looks like a good PC 12. Marc >> I recently did a painting of a Sop Tripe and decided to go with PC 12, and I think that may have been the base color I mixed from- turned out pretty good. RK ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2812 **********************